Typical RTD ending? | Doctor Who 'Empire of Death' REVIEW!
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- A typical rushed RTD ending? but also some powerful scenes. Let's review the Season finale of Doctor Who's new season 1.
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00:00 - intro
00:35 - My fears realised
03:40 - Gabriel Woolf
04:58 - The Memory Tardis
06:14 - My 4 year old joins the review
06:18 - thoughts on the Susans
07:18 - Rowan's (the 4 year olds likes and dislikes)
08:28 - The Kind Woman
08:54 - 73 Yards callbacks
09:41 - Powerful emotional moments.
10:43 - THAT ending
14:14 - Ruby's story ending - Zábava
Really sorry to hear about your loss
Thank you.
Clive from ep1 'Rose' was right.
"The Doctor is a legend woven throughout history. When disaster comes, he's there. He brings the storm in his wake and has one constant companion... Death."
Ha yeah. More accurate than he knew.
The Christmas Special is going to feature the Doctor going up against his greatest nemesis....... The RSPCA trying to prosecute him for killing a giant dog by dragging it through the time vortex
🤣
😂😂😂
The opening scene is going to be one lone RSPCA officer standing surrounded by Jadoon in the chambers of The Shadow Proclamation, asking for a squad of Jadoon to bring The Doctor in to face charges of cruelty to animals..... OH WOW!! RTD COULD EVEN WORK K9 INTO THE EPISODE AS THE DOCTORS DEFENCE.
The Doctor Cries as They Read The Charges. He Breaks Down in Tears.
Hey Phil! You got this up before WhoCulture! Nice!
I get that you don’t like the “reset button” stuff and that the importance of Ruby’s mom was nothing more than than that the Doctor & Ruby invested her with being important, but to me, it works. It’s all part of how Russel views words as having a magic, an existence, outside of what they refer to. Words conjure, they create, they convey. They don’t just have meanings, they are meaning themselves. “The death of Death is life” becomes kind of a spell that the Doctor casts as they travel backwards through time, undoing what Sutekh has done.
One thing that you missed out on is the language of knots from the goblins becoming how the Doctor is able to hold the Memory TARDIS together. It wasn’t called out verbally in the episode but the way he connected specific bits to other bits has the same kind of feeling as the goblin ship held together with strings.
Good review! Look forward to the next video!
And PS: it didn’t feel right to have it in with all of the stuff above, but I’m so sorry for your loss. Lots of love to you and yours.
Thank you.
I thought they did specifically refer to the "language of ropes" on the Goblin ship when the doctor was putting the rope round everything in the Memory Tardis.
Sutekh needed more invested time to defeat with a smarter resolution rather than the fairy godmother solution
The goodbye was really touching when you think back to the 11th and 12th doctors' run with Amy, River Song and Clara. The goodbye ending scene was almost kind of chilling like the bi-generation has changed the doctor more than we realized.
It wasn’t a bad goodbye by any means but it does feel like we haven’t really got to know them as a duo (due to short ep count) and now they are already saying goodbye.
When they’re reviving the planets I was half expecting a Gallifrey or Skaro reference, maybe The Doctor begrudgingly reviving either one which I think would be a great character moment!
Skaro got a mention being wiped out.
Gallifrey & Rassilon got a bum deal
I’m sorry for your loss, that scene was powerful and very well done.
There were massive gasps at the cinema I went to when Kate turned to dust. Like you I just thought, it’s fine she’ll be back at the end. It’s such a cliche of RTD to have a big reset button, and I would like to see something different.
I have big hopes for Mrs Flood next season, she’s been a lot of fun to watch. My bet is on her being the Rani, but I think I’m going to enjoy her storyline regardless of who she is.
Thank you.
Mrs Flood being Rani is a good shout, I definitely think she’s a time lord with those lines about time lords changing bodies to hide themselves away and then Mrs Flood saying she usually hides herself away.
The people who gasp at scenes like thats are the type of people who enjoy rtds writing. How you cant see this stuff coming is beyond me
in the poignant cherry sunday/'great plans' scene i was dying for mrs flood to say "well i won't be going shoplifting in catford any more" :)
You might need to explain that reference to me 😄
@@CulturePhilter it's what rose noble was looking into at Unit
@@Deathstroke-zm4vt ahhhh yes
How to defeat an omnipotent cosmic horror?
Walkies!
Putting aside the likly hood of it working (how does the cord not snap?) I do like the imagery of it 😄
@CulturePhilter haha yea I can see that, but I kinda wanted Sutekh to survive, but be contained.
@@harrypadwal2623I find myself thinking of the Sutekh we got as a part of his psyche. He's outsourced copies of his mind into stuff before. Marcus Scarman. Others if you count his limited appearances in spin-off media.
@@calvinfranklyn5499 that actually makes sense. Could this be a sort of dualism essentially two distinct substances?
@@harrypadwal2623 I think so. My personal take on it all is that the more complete Sutekh is still wherever we last left him, depending on what media you count as "valid".
Given that "Deus ex machina" literally means "god from a machine", perhaps the idea of Sutekh clinging to the TARDIS exterior for thousands (?) of years was appropriate ;)
Ah good point. 🤣
Thought too hard per usual @ftumschk
@@Reprodestruxion No worries - I didn't spend any thinking-time on it. It was just a bit of a joke.
I honestly gasped when kate got killed off, but when I saw that the entire universe got wiped out I eased myself into the sense that everything would get reverted.
Yeah I could have believed that they would kill Kate for impact but as soon as Rose, Morris, Carla went as well it was never gonna stick… never mind the rest of the world.
What I did like about the reset at the end, was how all the victims of it reacted about their resurrections. They were all visibly shaken by it, and that showed in their faces and body language.
Yes I will give it that. At least it wasn’t a “no one remembers it even happening” type reset.
My biggest questions:
- Why didn't they just go to 2046 right at the start of the series?
- Why did it actually snow?
- Why bother pointing at the sign? Nuns didn't see her so no one would know she was naming her
- What happened to Sutekh when the TARDIS was split?
- What happened to the memory TARDIS?
- 14 and Donna must have been turned to dust, wonder what he thought of that lol
- Sutekh was mystified by this random woman even though he could see ALL of time and space. Why couldn't he see 2046 when the mum took the DNA test? Surely he could find out who she was
-If the Toymaker was outside the universe until WBY with the Salt, when did he ever have chance to 'play a game' with Sutekh? He didn't want to go up against the one who waits, who “was there in the dark”, but Sutekh wasn't in the dark, he was on the TARDIS lol
It was all very meh tbh
We NEED a Susan cameo this era, surely!
All very good questions.
And yes, really want a Susan next season please. Ideally with an appearance from Carole Anne Ford
I agree with pretty much all of this! I did enjoy it, but some parts definitely didn't work so well. I'm looking forward to the Christmas special.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, and the personal resonance the episode had for you ❤.
I’m looking forward to Christmas too. For the most parts I think Moffat wrote the best festive specials (Christmas Carol, Last Christmas, and The Husbands of River song are all absolute top tier) so hoping it’s that level.
The episode is quite cliche but I don't care because it scared and touched me wonderfully. I especially loved the idea that Sutekh has been in the TARDIS ever since Pyramids of Mars and Ruby reuniting with her birth mother moved me to tears probably because I watched it with me mom - my favorite part of the episode was how a spoon was instrumental to save the Universe and because of a secret reason I have need to remind you all that eating a lasagna with a spoon is just as valid as eating it with a fork.
Yes Ruby reuniting with her birth mum was very powerful. I was also moved to tears by it. Amazing scene.
@@CulturePhilter I agree with everything you said. Except It didn't make sense to me why Sutekh cared so much about Ruby's Mother and her identity. Very moving review by yourself and I'm very sorry for your loss.
@@dougsims4242 I think just because he couldn’t “see” her. Something was masking her from him and he couldn’t bare that.
And thank you.
@@CulturePhilter That’s actually a good explanation but still doesn’t make sense if his objective was to kill everyone why does that matter? Like he actually killed her mother I assume when the dust cloud went round the earth and killed everyone anyway lol
@@jdgjagerbomber9430 i read it as sutekh wanting the death of absolutely everything, even an idea. the idea of this woman still existed very strongly in the last two people alive, ruby and the doctor, and was directly tied to the Time Window that allowed him to cross through to our world.. at least i think..? lol i really loved the episode though.
Your discussion is so calm and fair! (and your kid is so cute!)
I'll be watching more!
Thank you. 😊
I sincerely wish you and your family the best after hearing you mention you lost a child. I've only been aware of your videos for about half a year, but I hope you didn't force yourself to keep uploading. Really earnest that you brought it up in your review of this episode.
Thank you. It was about 5 years ago now, a still birth. I did take a break from making videos at the time.
I found one of your 60th anniversary reviews and kept coming back because you're the only doctor who related channel I'm aware of who has their kids give their opinions sometimes. I think it really makes your channel unique and fits really well with how Doctor Who is a family show at its core.
A friend of mine, who also thought it was a mixed bag (whereas I thought it was dreadful) made a valid point. They said "I do think there was a breach of contract with the viewer; you can't breadcrumb that many things, not deliver a payoff and keep the trust of the audience when you have limited forgivable moments to play with".
The red herrings didn’t bother me personally while watching but looking back there are some more egregious than others. Even putting in a quick line about the snow slipping through a weak point in time , pulled by the power of thought and memory would have helped (been a bit corny but still helped)
Well, at least Bonnie Langford acting has improved since the 1980s!
Maybe she was always this good and it was just the scripts and direction she was given at the time that were the problem. 🤷♂️
Even Jesse Gender said that it was rushed but quickly brushed that over
Yeah she seemed to like it a lot more than me. Which is great. Glad some people loved it.
The Kind Woman was Fleabag’s sister. Anybody else think the turning to dust bit was too Marvelesque? I am so so sorry for your loss. 🤗 Nothing seemed earned to me in this season, except my emotional reaction during scene with Ruby and her real mom. Those ladies were brilliant. Overall, they are reminding me too much of other recent Disney projects and previous WHO. Agree with everything you said. Great review.
There are lines in the original 1970s story referring to dust so I think it’s more taken from that.
And thank you.
So how does putting him through the time stream kill him? Wasn’t that were he was anyway and he hugged the tardis . Wouldn’t he just technically be able to do that again once the tardis flies by?
We can only guess our own theories. It’s not great but maybe it’s because he was wrapped around the TARDIS before but now isn’t?
Sutekh clinging to the Tardis for all of those years is troubling.
E--space, various returns to Gallifrey, the Guardians, Logopolis, the encounter with House in a pocket universe, Rose's world etc etc. ; are we to believe that Sutekh remained undetected throughout all of this? Very odd.
Are we also to believe that E-space, Rose's World and other parallel/pocket universes were all infected by Sutekh's 'gift of death'? If so, I fail to see how any of them were revived, given how difficult it is to access them from our universe.
It was a nice idea in principal but doesn't make much sense in the broader scheme of things.
It’s called lazy writing, and RTD’s writing is extremely lazy, relying on coincidence, rushed endings and concepts that make no logical sense, leaving so much unexplained. I find his writing extremely lazy, and I hate it.
I saw an interesting theroy on Twitter that said something like Sutekh only became real at the point of the salt incident. At that point the myth of true gif hood became real and retroactively put a Susan at each place.
Don't you think Russell T Davies is looking tired?
Always seems full of energy to me. 😄
I understood. Hilarious
I love your reviews and huge best wishes to you and your family. Xxx ❤❤❤
Thank you
I don't mind Ruby's mum being just a normal person, but it is a bit of an annoyance that they set it up as being something really big, that thinking about her made it snow, that Sutekh was so curious about the answer that he left the doctor alive long enough to stop him, and it was just some woman called Louise. That sort of meta bit where Russel tries to tell us it only mattered so much because we cared about it so much, but we only cared about it because he made it seem such a big deal. I also was sat there thinking that it seems a bit unnecessary to have the whole universe killed when we know it'll just come back, it's harder to get invested when you know the stakes are meaningless in the end. I did enjoy it a lot but the resolution wasn't good.
I certainly think they could have added a few more explanations in. The reason for the snow could have had an explanation to do with Sutekh’s presence that night and the weakness in the timeline there or something
As much as I was bracing for it as soon as the whole world was destroyed, I actually didn't mind this reset because everyone is still aware it happened, so it can still have impact moving forward.
True. That is at least much better than the reset from series 3 in that way.
@@CulturePhilter that reset is so bad - I think really set the tone for people's attitude towards rtd finales lol
So sutekh can see anyone through their dead cells? Why wouldn't he see Ruby's mum if she was just a regular person? Huge huge plot hole imo
Something to do with the fact that because the Doctor and Ruby BELIEVED there was something special about her that so that… err… cause her to not be seen by Sutekh. The power of thought and words and belief. RTD seems to like that as a theme, I’m not keen.
This is what breaks the episode for me. Power of words isn't an answer, because the words only came *after* the experience, which is what started it all. Everything about it being important came *after* so it doesn't make sense that all that was for nothing.
I read this online and thought it was a perfect description of RTD and this episode. So I hope you don't mind if I quote the source here.
Engagget
Daniel Cooper
Senior Editor
Sat, Jun 22, 2024,
“Empire of Death” is the typical Russell T. Davies series finale: It’s bombastic, dense and totally uninterested in resolving its own story. ‘
Says it all rather neatly.
Yeah that’s a fair statement. His plots often remember in the last 5 mins “oh yeah we need to wrap this up don’t we” and then rushes that.
Rowan spot on with his response to “cos you like Mel?” “Nnnnnyeah?” Is a proper Whovian’s answer 😂
🤣 true. She’s been great in this new era though.
@@CulturePhilter She’s certainly MELlowed since her time with 6/7 😅
Children need intellectual stimulation not bigotry. So finally Sutekh was a great opportunity to stimulate with the Osiran love of paradoxes plus a possibility to teach ancient egyptian mythology and culture
Sorry, I’m not sure what you’re getting at with the bigotry point. How does that relate to the episode? It wasn’t about bigotry.
This is a thing that only occurred to me just now - if Sutekh has been trapped in the Tardis until he was released for this finale, how have the Toymaker and Maestro managed to meet him before so that the Toymaker could be scared to take him on? I guess this is another thing of it's fun to have godlike beings make cryptic portentious comments about enemies the Doctor is going to meet in future, but actually making those comments make sense later is harder work.
That is a very good point. I think we have to head-canon a lot happening in between.
I also wonder if RTD will bring Galifrey back because of he dragged Sutekh there it's now back alive
I think it only undid the death done by Sutekh in the first place.
Sorry to hear you had loss of a child
And btw I only just found your channel during the week great content 😊
Thank you. It was a still birth 5 years ago. certain scenes on TV like that one often bring the emotions back to the forefront.
It made £364,253 for the double-bill finale in cinemas making it (No2 on Fri) & the fourth highest of the weekend across 275 screenings
Cool.
The 15th’s tenure was doing well since boom and then we got Chibnalled
The middle of the season was certainly the strongest part.
Mrs Flood may hang about for next series, and be kept for Gatwa's finale moments.. 2-3 yrs from now. RTD may not have all the details worked out.. but he may have a strong ending planned, and will make things up as he goes along towards it.. expanding or contracting plots as needed.. It's a bit like the Watcher who was in 4th Doctor's final story.. Also he (RTD) ever got to fully explore `the mother' of the Doctor (briefly hinted at in End of time -pt2) so Mrs Flood may be RTD's wish fulfilment of some relative of The Doctor.. or even one from his own native planet! Also the name.. might be just a distraction, or perhaps RTd might get biblical and go for some sort of Ark for the finale story of Gatwa (2-3 seasons from now).
Well he’s said in behind the scenes stuff that he planned out stories that would last two years because he knew they were commissioned for two years. So I guess it was safe to do without risking getting canceled without resolving them after season 1.
So I’d probably expect whole lot new plots for season 3. Hopefully it gets commissioned for 2 series at a time again.
Legend of Ruby Sunday/ Empire of Death should Have released Together for a feature length experience, I think that would have manage expectations better.
Space babies and Devils chord had no need to be released together
Maybe but then we’d have been down to only 6 weeks of getting new Doctor Who episodes.
Bad dog, no more bones for you 🐕 🦴
Yeah, he totally did the thing.
On the one hand, I did like that Ruby's parents were actually just normal humans and their reunion scenes were really nice, but on the the other hand, it seems like a bit of a cop out. I mean, I can buy the bit about Sutekh only believing her mum was important because Ruby and the Doctor believed as much... But, we were shown certain elements throughout the entire season that have to do with Ruby's very nature or origins (things like the snow, the carol song, the Doctor's memory of that night changing etc), which were meant to lead us to believe that she wasn't exactly a normal human. These were deliberate scriptwriting choices that made us think she was special.. And then, those things were never actually explained. Setting up red herrings is okay and all, but then when the twist eventually comes, it's just writing 101 to explain the red herrings in some other way, even retroactively. But here they just, didn't. The only bit they even tried to explain was the pointing, and even that explanation was a bit dumb tbh.
We did get a few mentions of 73 Yards, more than I was expecting, but they didn't exactly make this better, since again, it wasn't actually explained or important to the overall mystery. Like, it's cool that the TARDIS perception filter apparently works from that same distance, and nice touch that Ruby sort-of remembers what happened to her in the alternate timeline, but it wasn't actually important and didn't lead to anything in the end.
I thought the Memory TARDIS being used and explained some more was very cool, and I also liked the idea of Sutekh latching onto the TARDIS all the way back in the 4th Doctor's era and being around for this entire time (though, it does raise a lot of questions about how he survived and why he waited so long lol). I also loved the apocalyptic vibe of the episode, seeing the universe destroyed again was very reminiscent of Flux, but in a very cool way.. I especially liked the sequence with Mel, and the idea of memory itself dying; and also loved the Doctor's reaction to the death wave and his scene with the random kind lady.
However, I do wish the solution in the end, was a bit better than just... Dragging Sutekh through the time vortex with a bit of rope. Like, Rowan is absolutely adorable and I'm glad he liked it, but yeah, I'm not really sure how or why that even worked lol. I don't have a problem with it being silly solution, as it is DW after all.. But I mean, in the internal logic of the show itself, what even made the Doctor realise that it would work? Or, if he knew all along that it could, why did he need to wait so long until so many planets were destroyed before trying it? It seemed like a bit of an oversight. Like you've said, RTD has this issue a lot. Script-wise, it was a last-minute solution that reminded me of the Last of the Time Lords ending, which I think we all know is considered RTD's worse finale for a reason. It seems like whenever RTD gives us very high stakes, he forgets to think of a way out and consider an actual solution until the very last second, and then there's not enough screen time left to actually construct one that makes sense within the narrative, so he just finds the quickest easy fix he can and sticks with it.
Also, I liked the idea of an ending scene with the Doctor and Ruby, but honestly, the season wasn't long enough and didn't give us enough of them together, for me to buy that they have such a deep, unbreakable bond. It made their goodbye feel a bit overdramatic, but IDK.. maybe it's just me. I am happy that Ruby is coming back for S2, cause I do like Millie and her dynamic and chemistry with Ncuti, I just could have honestly done without the scene of them saying goodbye, or maybe replaced it with a more lighthearted one where they just decide that Ruby should have a break and stay with her family for a while.
Basically, I loved the vibe of the episode, I liked a lot of the character moments we got, the acting and emotional stakes.. But the story itself in terms of the mystery and overall plot, was a bit of a let down sadly.
I suspect there must have been some lines cut about the snow. Probably weighing up need for explaining things like the snow without overloading with exposition.
You were probably one of the few people to address the payoff and the Ex-Machina stuff. And one of the few that were pretty spot-on imo. The beats of the season were basic RTD pitfalls. I felt the penultimate episode was really solid but this finale flipped Sutekh's character motivations and the stakes of the story upside down. Sutekh knew basically most of the stuff about the Doctor (probably just as much as the Great Intelligence, maybe even more) and still chose not to act. He basically played a Davros plan on us and he still wouldn't kill or capture the Doctor even though he had all the cards. He basically folded for no specified reason.
Sutekh even let Ruby pull him like a pup... and he's a big dog with godly powers! Russell then went on to make a life/death parallel and he loves doing a lot of these neatly wrapped meta dialogs that make you feel so compelled to watch but when you look closer, the Doctor also folded. Sutekh is not dead as some believe, he was definitely spared because of necessary death. That seems a compelling argument if Sutekh wasn't aware of so much stuff, even how to kill the Doctor... It was definitely a toss after such a fantastic build-up. Even Ruby's story was completely demystified but we still don't know what Sutekh waited for so long or what made Ruby so important. I'm fine with ordinary too, but it felt... odd. The departure reminded me of Ben and Polly, it was different from the usual stuff but I felt it was rushed for the amount of investment we had (and it was 2005 beat by beat).
Positive points: The voice of Sutekh, that's still music to my ears after all these years. There's still some mysticism about the old neighbor who is apparently wise in her own weird ways (and has plans?), I'm a bit invested in that. Mel was definitely fire in these two episodes. The 73 Yards stuff and the TARDIS from the spin-off were interesting puzzle pieces, not sure if they jelled 100% but I was somewhat fine with it. The leash irony was also funny but I was with you on the Ex-Machina conclusion. Expectations from previous teases: Probably some multiverse stuff. I also expect Rogue's story to develop into another cliché waiting to happen.
Rogue might end up a bit like River Song. A relationship with someone he meets back up with on occasions but doesn’t travel with. (Just without the in the wrong order stuff)
@@CulturePhilter I Initially thought of something dramatic like Rose Tyler (we still haven't had that one), but then I took some time to rethink that and there's not enough juice for that in three seasons, so I think it's probably going to be a mix between Captain Jack and River Song, perhaps a fling among strangers and not exactly a couple. Idk, but there's going to be a cliché for sure... maybe the library stuff or something else. I'm sure he will return in strange circumstances but not the exact same ones like you said.
For what Rogue did right, I still think it's a bit out of character for the Doctor to just go deep into a relationship with a stranger he knows very little within 5-10 minutes after knowing them. No other Doctor moved that fast unless they were drunk with regeneration energy or they were forced into it. Even 13 was slow to trust Yaz with her hearts.
@@ReversedPolarity 10 moved pretty quickly with Madam De Pompadore.
@@CulturePhilter true, but if I remember correctly it was she who got interested in a fling and dragged him along, just like Rose. Martha probably would've done the same if she wasn't aware of being in a rebound relationship. Doesn't mean the Doctor wasn't interested, but it's just not his schtick and he usually stays by it... The 10th Doctor, despite his flair and hot action was still a Doctor reluctant to make the first move, just like 9th, 11th, 12th and 13th. Maybe this stuff with 15 is new, but it's such a big departure from the usual that makes you question if it's still the same character. Then again, the Doctor got divided into 2 halves so maybe he doesn't have as much holding him back, idk.
Sutekh / set doesnt have that much of reputation for being all knowing for hin to be that invested in Ruby
What do you mean?
Really sorry to hear you lost a child Phil. This is something that has affected my family too and it's... There are no words really, are there?
As for the episode, it was all a bit meh if I'm honest. I did feel Ruby's mum not being special was a bit of a let down, given how hyped she'd been for six whole months! The reunion was pretty heart wrenching though. Sutekh being dragged down the time vortex? Spare me! Talk about anti-climax! The CGI was good though, so points for that even if the "Everybody lives [Rose]!" moment was cringey.
Mrs. Flood... Humm. I suppose Melody Pond --> River Song --> Cacophony Flood is a bit of a reach? 🤔😁 It would explain why she knows what a TARDIS is. I wouldn't put it past Russell to make it THAT obvious!
Sorry to hear that your family has also been through that.
So sorry to hear about your loss, Phil. Hugs Mxx
Thank you.
Sorry for your loss man 😢.
I loved the final episode, while yes it had flaws, I still liked it. I didn't mind Sukkah's death as he did achieve what he needed to achieve and I guess maybe Sukkah was worried about Ruby's mother as maybe he thought she would've some way to stop him, before realising that it was a trick that she wasn't some big god. I didn't mind Ruby's mother being a regular person, I just felt she was too accepting, idk I would find it weird that a random person claims that they're missing a child. She also must not have any family if there were no DNA matches on the database. Overall a good episode, maybe if there wasn't such a big emphasis on Ruby's mother more people would been more accepting or felt less underwhelmed.
Also, Rowan is a very smart kid and understands the plot well, glad he enjoyed it 😊
I could just about get on board with using Sutekh's "gift" to undo it and destroy him but it was badly shown. Him being dragged and slowly disintegrating with his dust sparking lights in the vortex would have worked better for what it was explained as.
And Ruth getting a nice ending was done well except for the explanation of her being left mysteriously etc as being just normal overhyping. I feel there's scope for those events to have been "doctored" by something else. Or it's a needless plothole.
As for Mrs Flood I get the feeling she's either another Timelord like the Rani or perhaps the ultimate "Timelord" the one who sent the Timeless Child that everyone now thinks is the Doctor (I've an alternate explanation about that if anyone wants to hear me rant!)
And please add my condolences for your loss.
Thank you.
Yes I think Mrs Flood is a time lord of some kind.
I'm sorry for your loss.
Thank you.
I love your little guy, mine is also 4 and way too scared of doctor who to watch it with me except for one episode, which is the 11th hour, lol. someday we'll watch the rest. this show really is for children, deep down. for the children in us all. and i love it for that. RTD writes some silly things sometimes but i love him for the heart that he puts into it. there were definitely places it could've been better, but after all the bad jodie seasons, i was happy to just feel any sense of excitement for doctor who again, especially after 3rd episode. im excited for more next year, and hopefully RTD keeps pushing to improve. cuz i think he definitely has
I do have to do a bit of “monsters aren’t real and they aren’t going to come out of the Telly at night and get you while you’re sleeping” at bedtime before he’ll let me turn the light off, so he’s not NOT scared of it sometimes 😄 the other day he kept running and hiding behind the furniture when we were watching Pyramids of Mars.
@@CulturePhilter aw cute. that's good. yeah, i think its good for kids to get exposed to some fantasy fear and build their coping skills overtime for the big stuff when older. hopefully my guy will be cool with watching it soon- last time i tried he just cried lol, so i won't force it. but i have hope. he loves anything about outer space. so i think he'll get there. 😄 i think i'm still going to tailor the episodes though, there's a few that are just so dark.
@@grump9001 yes maybe rather than attempting anything like a chronological watch just pick out a bunch of really tame episodes. 😄
@@grump9001 if you want to see a cute picture of him hiding while watching check out my Twitter (also @culturePhilter ) from 15th June
@@grump9001 if you want to see a cute picture of him hiding while watching check out my Twitter (also @culturePhilter ) from 15th June
Very typical of RTD 😂 It was more underwhelming than anything for me. 4.5/10 for me, although my rating will probably go up if I wait a week or two
Do your ratings usually go up in a 2nd viewing then? 🙂
@CulturePhilter Yeah, they do, I originally didn't care too much for Boom and Wild Blue Yonder, but those are up there with The Giggle now! Oh, and I just got to the middle of the video. Sorry for your loss 😔 I hope that RTD makes a more consistent finale next year (or last year I guess) as TLORS is 9/10, and Empire of Death is at 4.5/10 for me lol
@@Blazing_Ninja thank you. It was almost 5 years ago now, a still birth, but scenes like that can still bring all the emotions flooding back.
@CulturePhilter Yeah it would have. It's a strong scene
I watched it and thought it was okay. Funny thing though - the next day I watched an episode of Midsomer Murders - and there was Jemma Redgrave! P.S. Adorable child!
What a coincidence!
Only other thing I think I’ve seen Gemma in is when she had a stint on either casualty or Holby City (I forget which)
And thank you, yes he is adorable.☺️
Sutekhs plan was actually quite solid. He's "the one who waits" because the death dust got released across several times and places, and that required he being hidden for thousands of years hitchhiking in the tardis, so the doctor really couldnt properly fix anything by going back or forwards in time.
I do think the earth dying in 1999 and 2005 and 2024 and all the other times the doctor has landed is a bit convoluted…. Once it died at the earliest point how does it still exist to die later? Can’t square that one in my head.
@@CulturePhilter i think it generates splintered realities. The same concept was explored in sutekhs first appearance in pyramids of mars, and to an extent in 73 yards
Mrs Flood is Mary Poppins.
but more seriously is she that other timelord that chose to live on earth back in the classic era, The Hermit aka K'anpo aka Cho-Je ?
Also liked in the "au revoir" scene between the Doctor & Ruby that she asked him if he wanted to stay with her and join her adventures before adding "but you don't do that do you"
What story is The Hermit referenced in? It rings a bell but I can’t place it.
@@CulturePhilter Planet of the Spiders
Cho-Je assists Jon Pertwees Doctor to regenerate into Tom Bakers Doctor
Jon Pertwees Doctor also referred to him as his teacher or guru (Episode 6 season 11 (if watching on iplayer) at about 7 minutes in)
@@panman1964 ahhh that would be why it was only vaguely familiar. I’ve read about but have never actually seen that story.
@@CulturePhilter Jon Pertwee & Tom Baker were my Doctors growing up :)
Aww mate! (Hug)
So, convoluted is the word I had in mind, when I was watching this finale... and convoluted is a word that I've heard most reviewers use....
It felt like there was a longer edit of this but. Obviously cut down for time but, I feel like they chopped out the wrong bits?
I also think that there is a wee bit of cognitive dissonance going, within the who-gang (?... OK, I'll work on a cool collective term for us all....). What I mean is, we've all spent the past 8 weeks speculating and theorising about how things will wrap up.... apart from the "triad=tardis", "sue-tech" and maybe a few of us saying that Ruby's mum wasn't some kind of mythical being... none of it came to fruition... which, if you remember all the fuss around the last jedi and how Rian Johnson tried to create a movie that aligned with not a single fan theory, left us all feeling a little bit empty inside.... Well, me anyway haha...
I've been well entertained throughout this series, as I am a sucker for variety, which we got in spades! But, this shouldn't have been called "empire of death" but rather "plot holes: the musical... granted, it needed a couple of show tunes to make it a musi... never mind....
I think the best thing we can take away from this finale is what the Doctor learned, with regards to travelling through space and time just for s**ts and giggs.... ?
I'm also left thinking that Rusty D milked Disney for all he could.... and who can blame him (the faceless greed machine should be exploited haha)
I did get the feels, toward the end though :.)
Mrs Flood, at the end, made up for a "convoluted" and "convenient" finale (there must have been metal on that tardis they were in!!??) Because Anita Dobson brought a smile to my face, with her creepy Joker smile and her "nighty night".... classic :)
Also, take note of the ring that Mrs Flood is wearing..... oh my, let the speculation stuff begin!!
Last Jedi is actually my favourite of the sequel trilogy. 😄
@@CulturePhilter mine too....
A great critique
Thanks
So after the Universal reset does this mean Gallifrey is back?
I didn’t take it as that. I took it as the death that Sutekh specifically had caused had been reversed. Gallifrey had nothing to do with him.
Why didnt sutekh just take his collar off before the tardis took off?
Don’t ya just hate it when you put your collar on too tight that morning and struggle to get it off quick enough when you need to? 😄
My theory is that Mrs. Flood could be Romana because at the end she’s wearing an outfit very similar to the one she wore in the Ribos Operation.
Yes I was wondering that too. Might do a video around Mrs Flood possibilities this week if I get the time.
I got excited at first thinking that Sunday was Lucy Miller's daughter
Can’t imagine they’d ever tie anything in the main show so heavily to expanded universe.
If Torchwood hadn't done Miracle day, that should've been series 15. The doctor defeated the god of death, so now death isn't a thing and the doctor has to fix it as much as he doesn't want to
While he is the “god of death” he’s only really that because he wants to kill everyone and can rather than all death being linked to him.
phil don't ever read 'night's dawn trilogy' by peter f hamilton. after 1000's of pages of not too terrible scifi it just suddenly undoes everything in one chapter
Noted. 😄
Oh no I’m really sorry about your loss.
I didn’t like this at all it was a complete mess for me. Bonnie is the saving grace giving a nuanced and powerful performance. Oh and Gabriel Woolf can still do that wonderful voice but where my positives begin and end.
I don’t know what new fans will make of it, it’s so full of fan service almost like the mid eighties coming after an anniversary but getting stuck in the celebrations for years afterwards.
Thank you.
And yes I’m wondering what brand new viewers will think. Lots of strange choices for a season labeled “season 1”
After just listening the Bernie Summerfield 4 part story with Sutekh, this episode felt very underwhelming. It managed to show how scary Sutekh is and had a fun clever resolution.
I read a lot about that story as research for my History of Sutekh video but never actually listened to it. Will have to one day
@@CulturePhilter your video is how I became aware of them.
While I did like ruby story, I hated the way they resolved it...
Imagine watching a murder mystery and there's hints and clues all the time, and you're trying to piece if all together... and in the end... the dog did it... all those clues, those were just imagined but we were never shown people falling asleep and dreaming about them... we just saw the dreams...
So that felt cheap and like a "Ain't I clever" moment and it brought the episode down to a... i'd say 4/10 for me...
I described it off the cuff in a review I did as thus:
"Imagine a magician says they have something in their hand. It's a trick, and you should guess what's in their hand. And you say I dunno, and they go 'come on, magic tricks need engagement from the audience or you won't be tricked' and you guess, and guess, and they keep saying "maybeeee" but they never give you anymore information. Then they open their hands and go 'tada, there's nothing in my hand' and you go 'where was the trick?' And they say "I had a coin in my hand. I made it disappear." And you say "...I didn't see any coin." And they say "That's because it disappeared." And you're like 'so there's nothing in your hand.' "Yeah but it could have been all sorts of things." "But it wasn't."
That's a really poor magician who forgets to give you enough information to be properly surprised and then also forgets to reveal anything substantial once you're invested. It's a bad trick because they didn't play fair.
I don’t mind red herrings as a concept. It’s ok to put something in you think will send someone down a particular route theorizing and later find out that info wasn’t related to what the truth was. As long as it still works once revealed. That the planted “clues” don’t contradict anything in the real version. They just made the audience jump to assumptions.
Imagine how the Osirans feel
Dead I imagine
I know it can be weird to share with the internet and I completely understand why you planned not to talk about it, but parasocial relationshios being what they are we DO care. Sorry you lost your child, its so unfair.
I thought to leave it there out of respect but then also out of respect I think you'd want to hear our thoughts rather than dwell on your pain.
Mrs Flood at the end left a bad taste in my mouth.
They played "who is that stranger?" with rubys mum and the big reveal was "i dunno, some stranger". And then tried to upsell me with a second "who is that stranger". The last thing I wanted was the promise of more shallow teasing, bad upsell.
If i can flip a coin and she can be either Santa or No One, whats the difference? Whats the point? The problem with a "slow burn" as RTD put it is its likely to feel unrewarding and shallow all the way up to the reveal and now theres every precedent that final reveal wont be rewarding either.
Much like with Last Jedi, whether you like the idea on paper or not, I find it counter-intuitive: its not rewarding people for paying attention, which is a bad plan for season one trying to get new people in. Its taking all of the details and shrugging them off and then promising the next one will totally make sense and pay off if you just wait ANOTHER season.
I’ve not never talked about it. I made a video around the time it (it was a still birth) happened in 2018 just saying what had happened.
I don’t think we have to worry about Mrs Flood being an ordinary person.
@@CulturePhilteroh okay, that's good to hear. I've only joined on recently, really appreciate your takes on it. I've added mine to this comment post retroactively, admitredly they're negative and I didnt want to take away from your experience, but it helped to hear some positives from you that explain to me why some might like it 👍
But the Doctor always unwittingly brings death with him, that's nothing new.
He often does but never so directly. He literally transported death to every world he’d been to since Pyramids of mars.
@@CulturePhilter he really didn't, he was nowhere near the Tardis, the Doctor had a panel from the console attached to the sarcophagus, nor was it the Vortex either, as some claim. Nor was he near the exit of the corridor when the Doctor flung him far into his own future, beyond his lifespan.
very disappointed felt like this entire season i haven't been watching doctor who at all. quite sad honestly had hope in rtd returning to make it back it how it always was, now need to wait till we get a competent showrunner again.
This episode is absolutely on par with RTDs first era.
It’s suffers from same weakness he had back then, rushed endings and narrative resets. But also had the strengths he had in that era, the personal character stories that pull on the heart strings - like Ruby reuniting with her birth mum here.
@CulturePhilter I was just surprised with how many unanswered questions that keep coming and how Inconsistent this story been. I'll give a few.
So sutek been hugging the tardis for a long time but what happened when the tardis got split in 2? And what jack was clinging to the tardis som season ago.
Why did sutek wait this long?
Why does sutek care for a random no body just because it Irritated him?
How is ruby making it snow when we know she is ordinary?
Why did rubys mum hidden from the god of death?
Why did rubys mum point at the road sign like a Dementor. Like there is no one their?
Why is the last woman in the desert still alive? How did the doctor find her? Why metal? Doest anyone carry a watch? House Keys on them
What happend to the memory tardis?
There is much more
The Doctor not only defeated his biggest enemy by putting a lead around its neck he took it walkies through the time Vortex and in theory he just made the BIGGEST red button yet.
Death Vs Death = Life,. Oh look gallifrey is back as is the Master and everyone else he wants to bring back, Repair the Flux destruction.
I knew he would dangle Mrs Flood, On being restored called him a Clever boy.
after wearing the same outfit as Clara and apparently another Classic companion.
He overplayed the Ruby story he made it appear so supernatural but its backfired.
RTD writes finales like the Family from Home alone he crams everything in.
He dropped hints about the Kind woman... hmmm the memory TARDIS had loads of metal.
For me Mel was the standout character, and sorry I say this as someone who cries a lot
PLEASE STOP CRYING DOCTOR, Again Rose being there was a total waste of time
while the others were shooting she was on the i pad. Did we get the 1st hint yet he will be a 3 series Doctor? the Comments from Mrs Flood about his Ending were very Ood
I read it as only undoing the deaths caused by Sutekh.
I’m glad the Mrs Flood thing is carrying over. I like multi-season, slow build arcs. Interesting about the outfits, I hadn’t noticed that.
So apparently on social media some of the planets displayed are ones long since gone.
But if RTD does want to bring anything back think its safe to say he can just say "Oh Sutekh tagging along must have included them". At this point I really do feel like RTD isnt back for the right reasons, truly I hate saying that. I think he focused so much on Ruby Other parts felt flaky.
Rose being there felt like a Cynical ploy "CT/DT might turn up" because her being there was pointless.
I'm watching the Saturday evening transmission at the moment, and a few more things are coming to mind...
1 - If Susan Twist was somehow based on Sutekh knowing about Susan Foreman, why did all the Susan Twists look identical - but not at all like the actual, original Susan?
2 - Why is Spoon Lady still alive? And what, really, was the point of her? The dead daughter was a really moving touch, though (as you've noted, Phil).
3 - When Ruby asks who Sarah and the fourth Doctor were, why does the Doctor lie? He's already told her that Time Lords can change their faces.
4 - If, in "73 Yards", Roger had made some mention of the compulsory DNA testing - just as a throwaway - it would have tied in better.
5 - So the Doctor colluded in creating the DNA database?? - "Guess who invented the security?"
6 - The search for the perfectly normal woman that is Ruby's mum takes up a stupidly disproportionate amount of time that could have been spent on coming up with a smart plan to defeat Sutekh. Unfortunately, that's not where RTD decided he wanted to expend effort, is it?
7 - How did Sutekh/Mel teleport/time travel Ruby and the Doctor from 2046 back to the UNIT tower?
8 - And whilst the Doctor and Ruby fasten Scooby Doo's lead and fanny around for 30 seconds, Scooby just stands there doing nothing but growling? Really??
9 - Why is the TARDIS suddenly responding to a dog whistle? Why not a finger click like we've seen before?
10 - Why is there suddenly a laser thing under the console, one that fired out of the the BACK of the TARDIS instead of the front???
11 - WTF? generally.
12 - "Everybody lives!" - Rose's posture could do with some work, though: pull that stomach in, girl.
13 - Why does Susan Triad consider working for UNIT when, presumably, she's still a tech genius with a still-unexplained tech thingy that she was about to offer to the world. Huh? I'm guessing we're never going to find out, are we?
14 - Why does it take UNIT sooo long - considering the computing power at their fingertips - to do a simple database search to find Ruby's mum? Still, it gives the Doctor and Ruby time to change outfits.
15 - More WTFery.
16 - I actually like the fact that despite the Doctor making the very good point that Ruby's mum has had over 7,000 days to find her, and couldn't be arsed, Ruby barges in there anyway. And guess what - it turns out OK (and actually quite touching, if a bit too saccharine). Although Ruby sobs "You left me where I was safe" - yeah, out in the snow in the middle of the night where I could quite easily have died of hypothermia, rather than outside a hospital. Great abandonning, mum. Way to go.
17 - Why doesn't the Doctor just say to Ruby, in the TARDIS: "Go and get to know your mum, and I'll skip forward a month, see if you're ready for some more adventures!" This whole season's been too short to have built up to this - they've barely spent any time together, really. So maybe the Doctor's just bored with her. The fact that when Ruby tells him she loves him he just responds with a slightly smug smile - oh, and some tears!! - is a bit weird.
18 - I really need to get out more, don't I?
19 - Night-night.
Yeah I thought it was odd that he didn’t say “that’s me and my friend Sarah-Jane” she he’d already explained regeneration
So cute how your child pronounces sutekh, just heard about your tragedy
4 year old mispronunciations of things are always great 😄
Great review I agree the ending as usual Russell blows it he nailed suketh though
Thanks
You know a show is terrible when both the comment section and CZcamsrs have to go into deep explanation on why it makes sense 😂
Oh there are absolutely bits that don’t make sense. But it is what it is so the best we can do is come up with head-canon filling in the blanks to give it SOME explanation. 🤷♂️
@@CulturePhilter maybe give some real criticism to the team making these shows so they can better improve for the next season. Not try to sugar coat it like “we’ll this didn’t make sense but there are some things I like about this episode” lol 😂
@@al56890 Bit late, its in the can already.
@@inspector2363 season 3 lol
I enjoyed it but I agree, it was just another reset button and the whole explanation wasn't really that. It was nothing more than Sutekh scratching the vortex and the Doctor saying that's what was happening. Not sure how I feel right now about the story behind Ruby's mother. On the one hand I like that she was ordinary but it was also underwhelming after the build up. Surely there's somewhere between ordinary and special, it doesn't need to be the extremes each time. I liked the whole she's special because we think she is, thhat applies to many things in real life. What about the snow around Ruby, was that ever explained? The 73 yards stuff returning was cool.
They have to bring Susan/Carole Ann Ford back now after these hints.
Mrs Flood at the end was wearing a white winter outfit and there may have been flakes of snow. That makes me think her plans are for the Xmas special, where she'll be the big bad.
I’m sure I’ve seen reports of her on set for Season 2 stuff so while she might make an appearance at Christmas I don’t think she’ll be main villain. Or at least not one whose presence is revealed to the Doctor yet… MAYBE manipulating behind the scenes.
@@CulturePhilter Ah okay, could be season 2 then and that is when Ruby is back, seeing as there must be a reason she was hanging around her house. Maybe the snow and Mrs Flood are connected?
I don't follow that type of thing as it can get spoilery. I don't mind little bits and pure speculation but don't want major points spoiled, so it's best for me to avoid it.
Yeah I loved the story about her mother but we still dont know whst makes Ruby Ruby or a mary sue. Hopefully the xmas special gives us some clues as RTD let on
She’s not special, that’s the point.
the personification of death defeated by walkies & could the doctor not find a spoon in the Memory TARDIS as 7 used to play the spoons
Yes, it makes no sense that the Doctor couldn’t find some metal in the memory TARDIS …BUT it led to a really good scene so I’ll let it off.
Thought this episode was bit of a mess , the build up to rubys mum was a let down as she was just an ordinary person , odd how quickly they found out the DNA .When the doctor blew that whistle i was expecting to see K9 ; then he basically put the god of death on a lesh and took him for a walk . Like to know more about mrs flood , think she might be some kind of deity
I don’t mind Ruby and her mum being ordinary people. Just a bit iffy on the whole “because WE believe she was special it made her special” thing.
bad russell 💔
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I hsvent liked RTD2 because literally the writing is more infantile than Sarah Jane Adventure (which was more mature than Torchwood a lot of the time with its stories abd morals!) this era is just very fluffy popcorn fodder which is fine but you see it and go right ....next thing ive enkoyed the cosy midnight launch but just gutted the eoisodes havent been that good .. the funale actually was one of the better ones this era mainly because Gatwa finally was giving Doctor vibes here and The three of Gatwa Gibson and Langford were excellent together id watch a full season of tjose three ! Gabriels voice is brill, and the hartowing vibe of the three of them beibg isolated, the allusions to covid, aids hiv, mental health, death is inevitable but life is forever all of them hit hime to me FLUX handled it better but RTD added another different layer to it ... The scene with the spoon hit ne actually like i couldinsgine Capaldi or Smith or Tennant saying that line but the way Gatwa played it hit me you know?! The smaller monents felt bigger than the action sequence ....Ruby vs Sutekh was so fun too ....yeah ots interesting ...i liked it but season 2 has a lot to build upon
Yea was great seeing Mel really have a part to play.
@@CulturePhilter I loathe 80s Who so much late Davison to McCoy first two seasons are dire imo and Mel in last year specials had nothing to do so was nice seeing her have something juicy and not getting tossed off by the Toymaker
Davies Ex Machina :)
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Im confident that Sian Cliffords character is Susan.
Even after seeing the episode?
@@CulturePhilter evenmore so. She is a great actress and would be a bit of a waste to leave her to be in a very random scene. I think the whole of series 2 will be the tracking down of Susan.
@@sportscards88 I do hope we see Susan. I don’t think it’s Sian though after this episode. Nothing about her struck me as hinting that she was.
8:33 Siân - pronounced "shaan" - Clifford
Ahhhh I’m always mispronouncing names
I wonder if Kate's dust smelled like freshly cut timber
???
ibfinity war and enfgame wrapped up in one but withouth the stakes
You mean a reset?
Yes and apologies for the typos
Typical new Who, typical Davies. No drama, jeopardy or peril and people who get killed, come back to life before the end of the episode. It's the same way they've ruined regeneration scenes with those monologues. There's no sense of danger or jeopardy for the Doctor.
I wouldn’t say there is NO drama in the episode, but there aren’t really any stakes with the main villian plot. But there is still some drama in the B plots
@@CulturePhilteryeah, I'm just not a fan of Davies, I think he's a very poor writer.
@@Farsight-nc1ib I think he is a great writer of certain stories. But every writer has their weaknesses and (in my opinion) when Russel goes big stakes his endings always suffer.
Less stakes than a Vegan restaurant.
@@CulturePhilter I have to disagree, he writes terrible stories with no coherent plot.His finales are repetitive and very little happens. Plus the amount of ideas he's appropriated from the New Adventures and BBC novels is scandalous. The latest one, a being attached to the TARDIS? Timewyrm Genesys!
I didn’t worry about anything.
Is that a good or bad thing??
@@CulturePhilter Its a good thing.
@@59rlmccormack that’s good then🙂
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Hm. I thought it was more like one of those unsatisfying Moffat endings...
We don't get Tales of the TARDIS in the US.
Which Moffat endings do you find unsatisfactory?
@@CulturePhilter Lots, but The Wedding of River Song, In The Forest of the Night, The Lie of the Land come to mind.
@@sallyatticum fair point. Satisfying endings are hard.
@@CulturePhilter I kind of have a love-hate relationship with him. I often love the setup but feel like he fails to stick the landing.
Sutekh is more powerful now? Can you imagine the 4th Doctor being able to put a lead on him in PoM? Sorry to disagree, but I hated the 'dog on a leash' imagery.
I get that it doesn’t make sense (Mavity gloves aside surly the cord would have snapped?) but I do think it’s a good as a bit of fun.
Why should going back in time throught the vortex undo the present. Such an RTD trope. I really have had enough of RTD. I wish him well but hope he takes a very very long holiday. He is damaging beloved institutions with his whims.
The criticism I have of his writing in this episode were all there during his first era too though. And I would t say it damaged the show as a whole.
Every writer has their strengths and weaknesses… endings happen to be his weakness (in my opinion). Whoever replaces him will have their own weaknesses.
The Susan parts seemed weird to me, So the God of Death created life everywhere he landed? 🤷🏼♂️ is that not a bit backwards?
He created a life that would go on to kill all life. It’s a long game strategy for death.
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Thank you
for the God of death there was a lack of death. i hate resets with a passion. just lazy writing.
Well there was a lot of death… just none of it stuck. Yes I agree about resets.
Could have fixed it with explaining it as the Mavity universe
Fixed what?
I mean if they “killed” Sutekh last time like this then it would have been fine…
OH WAIT… HE DID 😂😂😂 I don’t care he “disintegrated”, This is basically the same way that Baker did it. Absolutely nothing is original. Other then the memory Tardis. I think that is neat. Also, God of life? Narcissistic much?? 😂😂 If he has to be a god, make it the god of stories. He’s always going on about “the story goes on”.
Time corridor vs Directly smacking him against the side of the vortex? I guess there might be a difference
Rtd saw last jedi thats a nice idea i use it . For real why the snow and the Musik
Which idea from Last Jedi do you mean?
@@CulturePhilter the part about rays Parents are nobodys and nothing special after the teasing in Force Awakens
@@kenoi89 ahhhh yes. Just seen RTD talk on the commentary about that and how it was his reaction to them going in “rise of Skywalker” actually she WAS related to someone after all.
I’m with him. They should have left Ray as a regular force sensitive person.
What a load of complete bollocks! If we are to believe that Sutekh was hiding in the TARDIS since 1975, does that mean there's another Sutekh in a garden in North London with Doctor 14? That after all is the original TARDIS? If Ruby's mum is a nobody and Ruby is a human, why the snow and the music and all the mysterious garbage we've had to endure. This rubbish is an insult to people who trusted in RTD to deliver something better than an episode of EastEnders. Count me out for next season.
Pretty sure that RTD said somewhere that it’s not that one TARDIS is the original and the other a copy but that they are BOTH the true tardis. It’s was split not duplicated. I guess Sutekh just had to pick which one he was staying clung to.
There was hardly anything good. I think Last of the Time Lords was slightly better and that's saying something.
Well it’s all subjective but I thought there were certainly good elements. Some great character stuff in a couple of scenes.
What a massive load of crap this show is. The only way to make it even worse would be by adding a laugh track. Truly pathetic.
You’re entitled to your opinion of course. However i would say it seems very black and white. I didn’t think this was a great episode, it has a lot of flaws… but there are moments within it that are great. Overall the episode may fail but it doesn’t hurt to find the glimmers of good within it - particular performances (Gabriel Woolf’s being a particular highlight) or individual scenes that were strong. (Ruby’s reunion with birth mum)
And the show has a whole has had strong episodes as well as weaker ones (Boom and 73 yards being highlights for me. Space Babies and this episode being the low point of the season)
@@CulturePhilterI appreciate your points, but RTD is no longer trying. This man lives inside his own "progressive" bubble and his priority is to spread the woke gospel. He has become a priest, not a storyteller. Rip Dr. Who.
@@Woke_Invaders there is plenty to criticize in the way some of these stories and arcs this season have been told. But none of those are the result of “wokeness” whatever version of the definition of that word you think applies. This finale doesn’t even have much social commentary so not sure how it could have gotten in the way of any possible good story when it wasn’t even there 🤷♂️
If anything gets in the way of this story being good it’s too much fan service.
@@CulturePhilter The problem is that he thought that by having a "diverse" cast, people wouldn't notice or mind the abysmal scripts. He should worry more about delivering tight stories than about ticking boxes.
He is also a copy-pasting machine: Rogue is a discount Jack Harkness, Dot an Bubble takes inspiration from the 'Macra Terror', iconic SuTekh is revived to be inconsequentially killed with a magic leash (😂) and a cheaply CGI-rendered walk-in-the-vortex, Ruby's arc is lifted from the The Last Jedi...
Nothing of value coming from this man.
@@Woke_Invaders the reason he cast who is cast you’ve just sited is completely in your head. Made up to fit your OWN agenda. There is no evidence that people weren’t cast based on the strength of their own auditions. Hell it’s even been said in interviews that they were on the verge of casting someone else before Ncuti auditioned and he so bowled them over that they cast him instead.
And, regarding your list of stuff being copies of other stuff. Even if that is true…. That is absolutely nothing to do with so called “wokeness”