Before the book was released, many fans clinged to the possibility of "Snow is a real hero". I admired Suzzane Collins cleverness, Instead of making him a hero she showed us who he really was all along. It's "Coriolanus Snow".. don't expect a happy ending. Cunning, shrewd and ambitious.. a man who will choose power over love. For a villain's life, this book is a masterpiece.
At the end of the book, Snow still thinks 13 isn't around so I would love to see him learn about that in another book and then we can still have that opportunity 🤣
My two favorite theories that could actually be accurate: 1. Maude Ivory is Katniss Grandmother Reasons: Katniss knows these songs of the Covey, they live in the same area of the seam, Katniss dad was a wonderful singer, Katniss‘ dad showed her the exact same lake the covey liked to go to, Maude Ivory knew the Katniss Roots and Katniss‘ dad once told her about them 2. Lucy Gray made her way to district 13 Reasons: she is to good to be shot by Snow, could not live alone for a long time in the woods because she needs social contacts, is brave enough to make it till District 13, she is a mystery just as her song says, I don‘t believe in the theory that says Lucy Gray is president Coin for obvious reasons
OMG! You just said exactly what I'm thinking!!! I really think Maude Ivory married a Everdeen and had Katniss's Father. They are the only ones who probably knew Deep in the Meadow and they are probably the only ones who remember the Hanging Tree. I'm iffy about the whole Lucy Gray being President Coin thing but I think I'm leaning towards she's not. She would never try and create another Hunger Games in my opinion.
ninja proskills007 the age wouldn’t match up. Coin looked a lot younger then snow. He was like 82 when the first hunger games book came out, in the ballad of songbirds and snakes he is 18 and and she was 16 so she would be like 80. The age just wouldn’t match up. I thought it at first but then I realized the age doesn’t match up.
Still wondering why we didn‘t get the story of Tigris and Snow and why she hates him so much in the original triology! I mean there must have been more than just her recognizing that Coriolanus is a bastard when she obviously hates him so much that she sympathized with the rebellion in Mockingjay!! Would love to know why!
Well guessing since Snow only really loved power, maybe he betrayed Tigris when he became president or maybe she found out about what happened back at district 12. But honestly tho really wish Collins explained that bit in the book.
xXSkyXx yeah but I think there must be more than that, she literally hates him and is more than only disappointed or a little mad! In the end of the book she still loves him, so it must have come later on, but wish the book would tell us more about it!!
I feel like Coriolanus chose a path where he doesn't want to feel weakened by emotions whatsoever that he chooses to marry Livia Cardew of all the people in the world. Maybe he detached himself from Tigris even turned on her (years after she became a stylist in the games) but I just wonder.. Hope Suzanne Collins tells us about that in some interview or something !!
He even throws down his mom's powder and the photographs of his family into the trash- like the soft sides of him are buried and he just takes his father's compass- like taking up his father's legacy- the unemotional parent with whom he never connected.
I was expecting Lucy and snow to have a kid but that didn’t happen and snow still turned into the weasel that he is. At one point I was rooting for them then realized that he wasn’t good
🐍🐍🐍 There we’re so many details in this book like names of Crane, Heavensbee and Flickerman. I also 100% believe that Maude Ivory is Katnisses grandmother as there was so much of her included in the story as well as so many clues like the songs, the lake and the name. I also think it’s cool that Covey means a flock or small group of birds. Love your vids :)))
I can also definitely see why people don’t like this book. There is no romance to root for, like we had with Peeta and Katniss, nor is there the familiarity of the games that we knew. But to see Snow’s mindset and how he morphed into who he is today, was SO interesting and, I think, important to read about. The little easter eggs that Collins dropped, like the katniss roots and the origin of the songs we know and love, were so clever and satisfying to read about! So while I can understand why people may not like this, I certainly loved it for what it was meant to be!
Did anyone else notice that the capitol dragging the dead and battered tributes through the streets at the funerals was probably the origin of the tribute parade👀
I think we both agree Suzanne is BRILLIANT at dropping hints and references to the trilogy. Those moments in the book I was like “👀did she just... oooooo is that there parent? WAIT I KNOW THAT NAME!” 🐍🐍🐍
I’m so glad that you really liked this book, I’ve seen a lot of negative stuff so it’s nice to find someone who really enjoyed it! One of the things that stood out to me and really angered me was Snow’s treatment of the Plinth family after Sejanus’ death. When he’s planning on sending Ma a letter of condolence his first thought is if she’ll still send him cookies. Also in the epilogue it says that the Plinths took him under their wing and helped him and his family financially which really highlights how he only does things for his own gain. These are the parents of the boy who Snow basically killed (a boy who called Snow his brother) and he shows very little remorse in the epilogue and focused on his financial gain from the situation. Loved the video 🐍🐍
Veery unlikely because he is from 2 but it‘s kinda true but am I really the only one who doesn’t like Sejanus that much? Don‘t even know why he is just somehow a little dumb and naive idk
@@ihavelemonade5640 omg yes but that makes sense because katniss was a stressed tribute and surviving was more important to her than remembering fox faces name but snow wasnt in danger and could remember all of their names 😳😳
I would love a Finnick book as well, but maybe rather his backstory as a Capitol darling already, or his story with Annie. A book about his Games would be kinda repetitive imo
The doctor is a literal psycho I wonder if snow killed her eventually and just made the games his own and took control!! I liked seeing Snows arc from a semi-normal person at the beginning to a total power hungry, evil person at the end. I thought the pacing was a little too slow at part 3 but I still enjoyed the read sooo much!! Loved this vid Peyton!! 🐍💛
it's hinted at the end that snow has a gamemaker internship at the citadel but is basically part of the team. it's also mentioned somewhere in the beginning of the book that being a head gamemnaker is a very important position to be in, in the government hierarchy, the head gamemnaker having a lot of interactions with the president. my theory is that after having finished university, snow became a prominent game maker and later on was supposed to replace dr.gaul. maybe he poisoned her or not but he likely became a head gamer before becoming president of Panem. he may very well have used its close proximity with president ravenstill to poison him and some of his cabinet to take over the presidency.
I think in the Catching Fire book Katniss is watching recordings of the old Hunger Games, including Haymitch’s game, but realizes there is a space missing for a game. No doubt that game would be the 10th Hunger Games and that is an amazing detail that we see when the 10th Hunger Games footage is all destroyed. Does anyone else remember this?
@@AidenGoode004 it could be but I do write my own books, not yet published but I have extra details in mind that never make it to the page. So it could be either.
So this might be a little far-reaching, but I think it's possible that Maude Ivory is Katniss' grandmother. Lucy Gray left her the trunk of dresses (which Katniss mentions her mother having in the first book while Katniss is getting ready for the reaping). Also, Katinss knows the songs "The Hanging Tree" and "Deep in the Meadow" which all the characters in District 12 don't seem to know until after Katniss makes it famous in Mockingjay. ALSO, Prim and Mrs. Everdeen notably don't look like people of the Seam - which could mean that they are not really descendants of District 12, but rather a fairly new family to the area, which would make sense if they were descendants of the Covey. (Also, the whole thing with Maude Ivory and the goat seemed a really strong parallel to Prim and her goat.)
I would think that Katniss is related to the Covey on her father's side, since he is the one who knew the songs and the lake. Prim and her mother don't look like the Seam people because her mother is from the town.
I can't cope with the fact that Sejanus parallels Peeta, Lucy parallels Katniss and SNOW PARALLELS GALE in a way more extreme way as the way he slowly became crazy and less and less humane with the tiniest bit of power reminded me of the way Gale became by the end of Mockingjay with the bombs and everything and the contrasts between snow and Sejanus clearly match the contrasts between gale and Peeta's mindsets and no hate to Gale but that really fucked my head. I may be reaching here but honestly its the only thing I can think about.
Okay YES IM THINKING SOMETHING SIMILAR!!!! Everdeen sounds like evergreen (a color), katniss’s dad taught them those songs, was known for being an incredible singer, knew about the lake, Katniss tubers themselves
has to be! Hoff asks the Covey not to sing the Hanging Tree song publicly again as it's too rebellious, so the only way it could have made it through the Katniss (via her father) is if it was passed down through family
Okay I love your interpretation of the ending with Lucy Gray, I literally couldn’t figure out a thought for what happened to her. I loved how we saw Snow as a complete narcissist & calculating, it made so much sense and definitely made readers keep their distance from rooting for him. Sejanus drove me nuts a bit, especially when he went into the arena bc for why???? But it confused me, like Snow seemed to hate him in his head but once they were peacekeepers together he decided they were like brothers??? Seeing Lucy gray make those songs, it made me wonder if Katniss’s dad was the son of someone in the covey. Think about it, he was known for singing, taught Katniss those songs, knew about the lake, etc. “everdeen” sounds like “evergreen”, a color??? I absolutely LOVED Maude Ivory, she was so cute!!! She was probably my favorite in this book. I also loved when Snow got bread at the bakery in town, I’m guessing that must have been Peeta’s parents/grandparents
I feel like also, how at the end he was commended for turning Sejanus in, cemented his lack of guilt for murder. We could totally see him struggling with it & maybe that made him always able to justify his killings?? But like what a jerk, kills sejanus and then is able to feel comfortable basically becoming the Plinth’s family and heir, replacing Sejanus no problem, them not knowing he turned Sejanus in??
This has probably already been said but i think that maybe Lucy grays story is similar to the ballad... like they both lost themselves to snow and were never seen again
love that you mentioned how much Dr.Gual actually influenced everything!! I feel like no one is talking about it but you can see how she is the one egging snow on. loved this vlog and I'm glad you appreciated it cause I thought it was a great addition to THG world too 🐍
SPOILERS!!! Okay but does anyone else think that Lucy grey made it north to district 13 and grew up there, changed her name so no one would ever know who she was... alma coin ?? They are both about the same age in the original trilogy and it makes sense as coin had a hatred for snow and wanted to kill him herself, and it was her idea for the symbolic hunger game’s at the end of mockingjay and Lucy grey would have wanted the capitol to pay for what happened to her all the way back ?? Just a theory but my mind went straight to coin
Yes, and her name could still be considered Covey: alma for alma mater and coin for silver for coriolanus' materialistic ways and his hair was silver (kind of a stretch but it's fun to think about)
I just finished the book. Absolutely LOVED IT. The whole way through. The world building of both Panem and the games. Seeing snow’s “development”. The ABSOLUTELY, INSANELY CLEVER REFERENCES TO THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY??? And that ending though 👀👀👀 Suzanne knew what she was doing.
THE BOOK IS SOOOO FRIKIN GOOOOOOODD! I am so happy Suzanne blessed us with another HG book!!! ❤️ And the sticker is rly cute it’s already on my laptop lolllll ( AND I LEGIT CRIED WHEN I GOT IT I WAS SO HAPPPPYYY)
I been obsessing over the book since i finished it the other day. I really love the darker elements to the story. I do agree that the pacing in part 3 was slow since it came from a high energy ending of part 2. I do have a theory that Lucy Grey ended up in distract 13 and becomes friends with Coin or Is Coin. This book would give a good reason why she wanted the hunger games with capital kids. Also Ma Ivory is totally Katniss' grandma.
Yes also thought about that, but don‘t think she has something to do with coin and it isn‘t very likely that she still lived there at Katniss times because District 13 is so gray and Lucy Gray is so colourful and loves music, but maybe she lives there for some time!! I also don‘t think she is dead I think she lives in the woods or district 13 or whatever she is to clever to end shot by Snow after all she had to go through!!
@@kikifox7111 exactly, she is so smart and so charming and so talented that she couldn just died by the hands of snow, she definitely escaped and made a life
🐍 I think that Lucy Gray survives and is the beginning of Katniss’s family line through her father. Katniss was from the seam, She grows up with both the song “under the willow” and “the hanging tree”. + the unique naming conventions of both Katniss and Prim Rose after flowers feel true the Covey/Lucy influence.
exactly, lucy really escaped, she is too smart to be shot by snow, so she came back to 12 and married everdeen, she disappeared for a moment, maybe "LUCY GRAY" vanished, but she, the human being did live there
Sejanus is so reminiscent of Peeta yes I 100% agree...also yes I agree Lucy had more Johanna vibes than Katniss vibes even if there are some similarities from her and Katniss
I couldn’t even find it on French Amazon as a Kindle version, so I signed up to Audible and got it as my free audio book. I listened to it over two-three days and quite enjoyed it. I was shocked by the treatment of the tributes and how basic the arena was. Sejanus was my favourite character, he reminded me a little of Peeta ( kind, loyal, pacifist).
Ok I agree with you soo much on all your points! I enjoyed the book just as you did and I freaking lost it when the hanging tree scene came in. I thought the same about how much Snow must have hated it when that song became part of the revolution! And can we talk about how much Snow despises these Mockingjays? It was hilarious to me! He hates those birds. And cannot wait to kill them and I'm just sitting here like, I get why you hated Katniss soo much.
I really loved Lucy Gray Baird’s character so much. I really think this is the best book in the series. I also got way more attached to Lucy Gray Baird than I did to Katniss and Peeta. I honestly wish she said something about leaving instead of just running away because I actually cried when she just disappeared and Snow lost all affection for her. And like something that surprised me was how they said the tributes weren’t fed, lived in the zoo, that the arena was horrible and that someone placed bombs AND ESPECIALLY HOW MENTORS AND TRIBUTES DIED BEFORE THE GAMES AND BILLY TAUPE’S STUPID ASS CHARACTER! Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.
I really liked the book! I hope she writes a second one about the rest of his rise to power. I'd love to know exactly what happened between him and Tigris(or maybe I wouldn't because I know it was bad and after reading this book, I like her even more!) because they were so close in this book and we know by the time of original series, they have nothing to do with each other. We didn't even know until this book that she was his cousin! I found it very interesting and telling how she changed how she was referring to him in the Epilogue. The whole book she referred to him as Coriolanus but in the epilogue she called him Snow. To me that was like summed up the whole book. When the book started he was a teenage boy who still had a chance to become someone good and do good things. He was kind of riding the middle between good and bad. But when he did the stuff he did District 12 and left, he'd made the choice and there was not going back! He became the Snow we know from the other books through that process. I'm not not saying he was all good before that because he wasn't and his motives were all super questionable. But he could've still seen the light and turned it around. The most disgusting thing to me about the whole thing is he gets Sejanus killed and then goes back to the Capital and gets his family to help him and take him in as their own! He's just such a narcissistic person!
I have couple thing's to say. I loved this book so much and i was so sad when it ended. Sad about it ended and about book. At some point while reading i knew that this song isn't going to end high note but still i literally cried multiple times while reading. This book had me sitting edge of my seat whole time while reading. In my opinion this was more complex that original books and i loved that. I started to like Snow but at the end this book remind me what he is and what he will be. I like how Dean Highbottom was pictured as evil character but at the end i think that main evil characters in this story was dr. Gaul and Snow himself. I think that Katniss is somehow related to Covey's and Lucy Gray. I loved Lucy Gray's character very much and her character development was amazing. I loved that musical approach in this book and how those songs were included. I'm waiting movie about this so much but i also realised that we only have heard story about 3 hunger games now. Still 72 games that we have only heard some little bits. I personally would love to hear more about Haymich and his story. Maybe some other things too.
I almost cried when Sejanus died, definitely the most emotional part for me. I really loved the book and I think Snow's character was done really well. The 3rd part was pretty slow in my opinion especially since the first 2 parts had a lot more action. Also, I'm sad that we didn't get an explanation as to how or why Tigris wanted Snow dead in the original trilogy, it seems like she loved him more than anything else in this book. I definitely think one of the Covey members, probably Maude Ivory, is Katniss's grandparent. Lastly, I'm kinda mad we didn't get closure on what happened to Lucy Gray, but I get it, it's a suppose to be a mystery like her ballad and Snow definitely never loved her even though he claimed to🐍🐍🐍
There are so many interesting things about this book, especially the names of the characters. For example: Arachne Crane - in Greek/Roman mythology, Arachne was a proud weaver who in her arrogance declared that she was better than Athena/Minerva, the goddess of weaving at it. Due to her hubris, she was, in some versions killed, and then turned into a spider in front her entire village. Arachne in the book provokes Brandy for a show because of her arrogance and is then killed by her. Apollo and Diana Ring: named after the twin archers in Greek/Roman mythology Satyria Click: possibly named after satyrs, half-goat and half-human creatures who were followers of the god Dionysus in Greek mythology and were notorious drunks, like Satyria in the books Iphigenia Moss: in Greek mythology, Iphigenia was a princess whose father, Agammemnon had to sacrifice her because he displeased a goddess. Iphigenia in this book has a strained and problematic relationship with her father.
Snow is the definition of an evil Slytherin. I love it so much, especially bc I think Katniss is also a Slytherin but the good kind. And Lucy is just a full out mystery 🐍🐍🐍
Did anyone else while reading the third act of this book low key hope for a duel on a lava river in District 12 between Coriolanus and Sejanus where Sejanus says “the capitol is evil” and Coriolanus says “from my point of view the rebels are evil!” And then have it end with Sejanus saying “it’s over Coryo, I have the high ground!” but Coriolanus does a front flip to attack but falls to the ground and burns in the lava, and is left for dead by Sejanus, then found by Dr. Gaul who takes him in at the end? No? Just me? Ok Also I had the Chancellor Palpatine theme playing in my head every scene that had Dr. Gaul in it Also 🐍
I loved this book and really enjoyed reading from Snows perspective as he was always a character who I loved to hate. I also really enjoyed seeing the Hunger Games in an early stage. (how the arena was much more basic and how so many tributes died before the arena) I loved all of the hints to the original series (the hob, the hanging tree song etc.).
i’m only on page 250 so i’ll be back on Wednesday probably :) update: well... i didn’t last till wednesday i finished it today (sunday) and I LOVED the book. 9.5/10
Reading all this comments I saw a lot of people saying that Lucy Gray can be Alma Coin. At firts I didn't believe it for a second, but then I searched in the book the description of president coin, just for fun. Katniss said that she was amazed by how perfect president coin's hair was and we all know how Lucy always take care of her look. It's just a little detail, but it was just so... perfect. It also says that president coin's eyes were gray, but not that seam kinda of gray, more like melted *snow*. I took it as a sign😂
Snow is the most realistic character in this series. He's interesting, im a fan. He wanted to university thing to help his family who were in poverty! Thats not a selfish thing to do at all.
🐍🐍🐍 oh my gosh I LOVED this video! Your reactions were 100% the same as mine while reading it 😂 I was freaking out and screaming the whole time. The only thing that I am trying to determine is if Lucy Gray sent the snake to Snow, or if he was just paranoid and thought she did. Because the doctor said it wasn’t poisonous and wouldn’t kill him. And we definitely know that Lucy Gray knows how to kill haha I think she did in fact realize what was happening, but I don’t know if she would try to kill him? 🤔 I think it was just to show how quickly the switch flipped on Snow. He went from “loving” her to hating her in 2 seconds. How paranoid he was at the end. Idk I haven’t decided yet lol. Would love to hear your thoughts!
lucy gray discovered snow was a bad person since he killed mayfair, if he solved his problems by killing without talking or bargaining, she knew he was bad. lucy said she originally planned to go alone to the woods, and then she went to the lake instead of the north, thats why lucy already knew, she planned it all, so she escaped and lived
I finished it last night! I dint get how anyone could hate such a good juicy book. I also freaked when I realized that Tigres is the creepy tiger lady from Mockingjay!
yesss 🐍🐍🐍 this video was so fun to watch!! i feel like we've talked about most things but the ending was so wild but it was pretty satisfying and everything with Highbottom and the games was sO interesting like ... wild can't wait to chat about this more in depth in the liveshow!! 💖💖💖
Girl I literally read this book along with you. I would pause the video until we got until the same point. The story was so interesting and the references made me want to scream because they just meant so much. Thank you for doing this video and I enjoyed the book even more because of you. Can’t wait for the new content surrounding this book! 🐍🐍
I absolutely enjoyed this new book. There is something special about Suzanne Collins' books: either the characters, the events, the circumstances, the language, the stories - I don't know what else, but she is a real master of telling the stories. I like the way she describes the evolution of the characters, the sense of drama, the importance of the ideas her books tell us about. And I liked your video :-) I watched it only now (after more than a year since the publication of the book), but I still had watery eyes throughout the video, even though I know the story and turnarounds. Coriolanus Snow is a very interesting character. You know who he is going to become in the end, and yet you see his good sides, you hope as you read, you hope... but look just how he becomes a blueprint of The President Coriolanus Snow! As everyone, he has good sides and bad sides, but a couple of triggers are enough to break the balance. Again, this is a very interesting depiction of evolution of a character. As for the Hanging Tree song.... Even remembering the moment when I realized I was reading about the events the song tells us about gives me goosebumps!
Just discovered your channel. I've listened to this review twice already. I really enjoyed this book! I thought it was intense! Honestly, the only part I didn't love was the chapter where Snow is chasing Lucy Gray down in the woods with the gun. I would've liked a little more dialogue between them, but I suppose her just singing the song was fitting. In a different way, I hate how he takes advantage of the Plinths in the end and still feels superior to them as a Capital resident, but it makes so much sense into showing him as the burgeoning monster we all grew to hate.
I know this is late, but I wanted to say that my favourite line in this book was on page 516 (in the epilogue) when Snow says: 'She could fly around District 12 all she liked, but she and her mockingjays could never harm him again.' Well look just look how wrong that little slime ball was!
thats the phrase that confirmed (for me) that lucy is alive and returned to 12, but she didnt have any influence or fame anymore, snow took care of that, thats why he said that she could go around 12 without harming him
🐍 I really loved President Snow in the original series so i was so happy with this book. The ending left me wondering if she's going to continue it. I kinda hope it stays a stand alone prequel but I think she left enough unanswered to do more if she wanted
I was so curious as to what exactly happened between Snow and Tigris that turned them into enemies, but in a way I think leaving it up to inference was also powerful suggesting the extent that Snow reached into evilness
I feel like that was it for this specific book but maybe more prequels focused on other aspects of time? I noted, at the end of this book she wrote “the end” but the hunger games ends with “end of book one”, catching fire “end of book two” & mockingjay was “the end”
🐍I’m so happy you liked it. I loved it and thought I was going crazy when all I was seeing was 1 and 2 star reviews. Also great vlog, it felt more like a 20 min video
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS! Everyone I talked to about this book didn’t understand how AMAZING it was and they all said it was boring. But you DEFINITELY understood!
My favorite part was her talking about how awkward it would be to meet the other tributes, like I never thought about that but I love the idea that the biggest problem for the tributes is social anxiety 😂🐍
this vlog is a breath of fresh air, and i'm gonna check out your book review too, because so many other reviews i've seen have all been like "i liked Snow until part 3" or "i was back and forth on liking him" and i felt like the only person who hated him throughout lol Suzanne Collins did such a great job with how she handled this book, it was fantastic.
I loved the book! Thought Suzanne was brilliant and made me understand Snows way of thinking and I can understand how he became the man he was. ❤️ I couldn’t help but like him and his loyalty and self preservation!
i finished the book this afternoon, and all i can say is that susan collins is brilliant, i really enjoyed the book, as well as your video. one of my favorite things about the book that gives me goosebumps is the fact that the title of the book is literally the ballad of lucy gray. i also loved the easter eggs that collins gave us, its mindblowing how she paid attention to little details that later made sense.❤️🐍
Covey is also a word that means "flock of birds". Collins is insinuating that it's in their nature to migrate and seek freedom through the name. It's also interesting the Lucy is connected to birds, which Snow later insists a deep hatred for but Lucy feels a kinship to.
ahhh this vlog was everything. I'm glad you liked Sejanus! i feel like so many people did, but i just could NOT connect with him at all. i feel like maybe if i reread it i would like him more. i really loved lucy though. she was so interesting and all of the hunger games easter eggs in this book were so amazing.
I just finished the book, I loved it. Especially the parallel between the girl in the song Lucy Gray is named for and Lucy Gray herself. The girl in the song disappeared in a snow storm, Lucy Gray also disappeared because of Snow. Leaving nothing behind but her songs
but lucy never died, i think she went back to 12 but her life was ruined ( she was nobody and she wasnt allowed to sing) so she was technically dead for society
These are a few things isuspected would happen also it’s a mess and if you read all of it props to you From the start I knew Snow was going to kill Sejanus, the whole time he had such a disdain for his district heritage. I was also hoping the song Katniss sings to Rue and Prim would be there (the in the meadow under the willow song) Also I loved the mention of the katniss plant, and correct me if I’m wrong but I thing the lake and the run down shack that they visit is the same one that Katniss and her father visited I knew that Sejanus was going to be hanged because earlier in the book Lucy Gray was singing the Hanging Tree song and I looked up all of the lyrics and there was one line about someone getting hanged for the murder of three people, I didn’t know why or who Sejanus was going to kill (but I guess I was right for the wrong reason)
🐍 this book is life! as well as Lucy Grey. And rereading Mokingjay in the 'lake-moment' when Katniss start to sing Hunging Tree and identifies it on her own. Its just masterclass!
I love the hunger games series! It's actually the series that got me into reading since I got out of college in '02. I didn't even read it till after the first movie. I couldn't be more uninterested in reading about snow!!! None the less, if you enjoy it good for you, I'm glad some people are excited 🤪
Important thing about Gaul! Her first name is Volumnia, which is the same name of the title character's mom in Shakespeare's play 'Coriolanus'. Collins has a track record for putting a lot of thought into names, and she definitely knows her Shakespeare. This is important because Volumnia is constantly pushing Corionlanus towards violence, the same way Gaul does to Snow! Ugh, Suzanne, your mind!
I loved this book so so so so so so so much !!!! I read it in a day and ive reread it twice since,,, obviously i preordered it aswell which was amazing,, i loved it so sos sks aoalososos MUCH !! Also im english and our cover is so gorgeous :')
Lucy is everything that haymitch wanted katniss to be in the games.
So true!! She is Kantniss’ complete opposite!
Absolutely true 😂
So truee
OMG UR RIGHT!! I never thought of it that way!!
Before the book was released, many fans clinged to the possibility of "Snow is a real hero". I admired Suzzane Collins cleverness, Instead of making him a hero she showed us who he really was all along. It's "Coriolanus Snow".. don't expect a happy ending. Cunning, shrewd and ambitious.. a man who will choose power over love. For a villain's life, this book is a masterpiece.
He’s the ultimate slytherin!
That ending made me so sad 😭
21:50 there was a line that had "catching fire" in it and I SCREAMED. Suzanne's mind, her power
elenathegreat omg yes i caught that too!
the dutch book is just called “flames” (vlammen in dutch but whatever) so I missed the line😭😭🥺
“That’s just the kind of story that catches fire.” -The Grandma’am! ARGH I FRICKIN LOVE IT
the little easter eggs in this book was more satisfying than those soap cutting videos
Yass
best comment!! i so agree
I got so freaking excited when they mentioned the lamb stew with plums. I don’t know why that particular one, but it just made me happy😂
@@gabriellaroth2331 YESSSSSSS
Ballad of Birds and Snakes vs 1000 degree knife
Peyton: 35:41 “I love Sejanus!!”
Me: oh gosh girl you got a big thing coming!
I cried for 30 minutes
That's exactly what I was thinking
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I wish the epilogue was Snow in the trilogy seeing Katniss for the first time and the actual epilogue thing be chapter 31.
ugh that would’ve been so good!!
YES YES YES I really wanted some kind of connection to the original trilogy
I’m hoping she writes another book...she still has so much room to do so and end it exactly that way
Erin Kappel I’m pretty sure she will.
At the end of the book, Snow still thinks 13 isn't around so I would love to see him learn about that in another book and then we can still have that opportunity 🤣
Also the Valley song that Peeta talks about hearing Katniss sing when she was like 6 was sung out by Lucy Gray and I just loved that reference.
Grace Eddleman O.M.G your right!!!!!
My two favorite theories that could actually be accurate:
1. Maude Ivory is Katniss Grandmother
Reasons: Katniss knows these songs of the Covey, they live in the same area of the seam, Katniss dad was a wonderful singer, Katniss‘ dad showed her the exact same lake the covey liked to go to, Maude Ivory knew the Katniss Roots and Katniss‘ dad once told her about them
2. Lucy Gray made her way to district 13
Reasons: she is to good to be shot by Snow, could not live alone for a long time in the woods because she needs social contacts, is brave enough to make it till District 13, she is a mystery just as her song says,
I don‘t believe in the theory that says Lucy Gray is president Coin for obvious reasons
Yes I agree with both of these. So glad to see that someone else shares my district 13 theory because Lucy is too strong to let snow win in the end
wait you’re on to something
OMG! You just said exactly what I'm thinking!!! I really think Maude Ivory married a Everdeen and had Katniss's Father. They are the only ones who probably knew Deep in the Meadow and they are probably the only ones who remember the Hanging Tree.
I'm iffy about the whole Lucy Gray being President Coin thing but I think I'm leaning towards she's not. She would never try and create another Hunger Games in my opinion.
Anna oh dang that was my “theory”. It wasn’t really a theory but I hoped that was true. That Lucy Gray Baird became Alma Coin
ninja proskills007 the age wouldn’t match up. Coin looked a lot younger then snow. He was like 82 when the first hunger games book came out, in the ballad of songbirds and snakes he is 18 and and she was 16 so she would be like 80. The age just wouldn’t match up. I thought it at first but then I realized the age doesn’t match up.
SEJANUS PLINTH IS EVERYTHING! 😭🕊🐍
RIP Sejanus 😢
ma! ma! ma! ma! ma!
I cried
@@Olivia-xz1yr omg you didn't... tears everywhere! 💔
EJ De Joseph I HATE SEJANUS FOR TELLING SNOW! HOW THE ACTUAL FCK DID HE HOT REALISE CORIOLANUS GOING “HEY JABBERJAY FKN RECORD BRO!”
Lucy gray deserves someone like sejanus, maybe Mr. Everdeen had the luck to marry her
I want a Haymitch book...because Haymitch (maybe with a tiny cameo appearance by Effie as a kid)
Still wondering why we didn‘t get the story of Tigris and Snow and why she hates him so much in the original triology! I mean there must have been more than just her recognizing that Coriolanus is a bastard when she obviously hates him so much that she sympathized with the rebellion in Mockingjay!! Would love to know why!
Well guessing since Snow only really loved power, maybe he betrayed Tigris when he became president or maybe she found out about what happened back at district 12. But honestly tho really wish Collins explained that bit in the book.
xXSkyXx yeah but I think there must be more than that, she literally hates him and is more than only disappointed or a little mad! In the end of the book she still loves him, so it must have come later on, but wish the book would tell us more about it!!
I feel like Coriolanus chose a path where he doesn't want to feel weakened by emotions whatsoever that he chooses to marry Livia Cardew of all the people in the world. Maybe he detached himself from Tigris even turned on her (years after she became a stylist in the games) but I just wonder.. Hope Suzanne Collins tells us about that in some interview or something !!
He even throws down his mom's powder and the photographs of his family into the trash- like the soft sides of him are buried and he just takes his father's compass- like taking up his father's legacy- the unemotional parent with whom he never connected.
That's what I was just wondering about. Wish that the reason was part of the book. * Whelp *
Lucy Gray is definitely related to Katniss. Through Maude Ivory I’m guessing
Yeaaah i think the same thing!
I was expecting Lucy and snow to have a kid but that didn’t happen and snow still turned into the weasel that he is. At one point I was rooting for them then realized that he wasn’t good
@@unlikelyaspy23 I thought it was gonna be like star wars
I agree... I believe she married a man and had Katniss's dad passing the song along
Omg I think so too!!
The hunger games = 3 Words. Catching fire = 2 Words. Mockingjay = 1 word. 3+2+1=6. The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes= 6 Words.
novels by mc bruhhhhhhhh 😮😮😮😯😵😵😵😵😵😲😲😲😲😲😲😬😬😬😬
or maybe it’s saying we’ll get 2 more books 🤔 (5 & 4)
🐍🐍🐍 There we’re so many details in this book like names of Crane, Heavensbee and Flickerman. I also 100% believe that Maude Ivory is Katnisses grandmother as there was so much of her included in the story as well as so many clues like the songs, the lake and the name. I also think it’s cool that Covey means a flock or small group of birds.
Love your vids :)))
Also “Cardew”
@@lucygraybaird6752 Wait who was Cardew in the original trilogy?
@@Whatever-de9jb Fulvia Cardew
I can also definitely see why people don’t like this book. There is no romance to root for, like we had with Peeta and Katniss, nor is there the familiarity of the games that we knew. But to see Snow’s mindset and how he morphed into who he is today, was SO interesting and, I think, important to read about. The little easter eggs that Collins dropped, like the katniss roots and the origin of the songs we know and love, were so clever and satisfying to read about! So while I can understand why people may not like this, I certainly loved it for what it was meant to be!
Did anyone else notice that the capitol dragging the dead and battered tributes through the streets at the funerals was probably the origin of the tribute parade👀
a PREQUELL to their death
I THOUGHT THE SAME THING TOO!!
Wooahh
oh myyy
oh my god i don’t notice 💀
I think we both agree Suzanne is BRILLIANT at dropping hints and references to the trilogy. Those moments in the book I was like “👀did she just... oooooo is that there parent? WAIT I KNOW THAT NAME!”
🐍🐍🐍
I’m so glad that you really liked this book, I’ve seen a lot of negative stuff so it’s nice to find someone who really enjoyed it! One of the things that stood out to me and really angered me was Snow’s treatment of the Plinth family after Sejanus’ death. When he’s planning on sending Ma a letter of condolence his first thought is if she’ll still send him cookies. Also in the epilogue it says that the Plinths took him under their wing and helped him and his family financially which really highlights how he only does things for his own gain. These are the parents of the boy who Snow basically killed (a boy who called Snow his brother) and he shows very little remorse in the epilogue and focused on his financial gain from the situation. Loved the video 🐍🐍
I loved the book!
This book is the best because I’m in the book!
Honestly it made me sick, but I did realize that Ma and Tigris would have each other. Tigris needs a mom, and Ma needs someone to care for.
Hannah Noel nah. Ma and Strabo needed someone to LIVE for as stated in the Epilogue
Sejanus literally has to be Peeta's like cousin or something. they are both so selfless
YEAH!!!!!!! I thought that,too
Veery unlikely because he is from 2 but it‘s kinda true but am I really the only one who doesn’t like Sejanus that much? Don‘t even know why he is just somehow a little dumb and naive idk
I just completed the book and even a mention of his name almost makes me cry
@@kikifox7111 You aren't the only one. I wanted him to be slicker or something. He had a good heart but not a lot of common sense.
I loved how each of the tributes had a name
katniss was so bad at names lmao
I feel like suzanne tried to redeem herself after those "the boy form district...." and "the girl from dostrict...."
Snow: *literally spills out the names of 24 mentors and 24 kids*
Katniss: the male tribute from 8. The girl that looks like a fox. That guy.
@@ihavelemonade5640 omg yes but that makes sense because katniss was a stressed tribute and surviving was more important to her than remembering fox faces name but snow wasnt in danger and could remember all of their names 😳😳
I would love it if Suzanne Collins wrote a book from Finnicks perspective focusing on his Hunger Games.
or from Johannas perspective
I would love a Finnick book as well, but maybe rather his backstory as a Capitol darling already, or his story with Annie. A book about his Games would be kinda repetitive imo
I want a Haymitch book...because Haymitch (maybe with a tiny cameo appearance by Effie as a kid)
Virág Papp yeah I would like a book from Finnick’s perspective AFTER he won the Games during the years where the Capitol fawned over him
The Hanging Tree scene was my favorite 😭 I haven’t seen anyone talk about that part yet so I’m glad you did!
The doctor is a literal psycho I wonder if snow killed her eventually and just made the games his own and took control!! I liked seeing Snows arc from a semi-normal person at the beginning to a total power hungry, evil person at the end. I thought the pacing was a little too slow at part 3 but I still enjoyed the read sooo much!! Loved this vid Peyton!! 🐍💛
Andrie Reads I doubt he would’ve killed her but maybe just kinda ya know... pushed her to the side and was like “Piss off mate”
it's hinted at the end that snow has a gamemaker internship at the citadel but is basically part of the team. it's also mentioned somewhere in the beginning of the book that being a head gamemnaker is a very important position to be in, in the government hierarchy, the head gamemnaker having a lot of interactions with the president. my theory is that after having finished university, snow became a prominent game maker and later on was supposed to replace dr.gaul. maybe he poisoned her or not but he likely became a head gamer before becoming president of Panem. he may very well have used its close proximity with president ravenstill to poison him and some of his cabinet to take over the presidency.
am eur that is exactly what Suzanne says happens in the book.
So District 12 gave Snow the tributes he hated the most: All Four of its victors pissed him off in some way. 🤣 Can’t wait to read this book.
I think in the Catching Fire book Katniss is watching recordings of the old Hunger Games, including Haymitch’s game, but realizes there is a space missing for a game. No doubt that game would be the 10th Hunger Games and that is an amazing detail that we see when the 10th Hunger Games footage is all destroyed. Does anyone else remember this?
I do remember this! Did collins write that with plans for this book in the future? Or did she play on what she wrote in the past🧐🤔
@@celina-xz4pt It's been 10 years so I'd say the latter. Still a cool detail though!
@@AidenGoode004 it could be but I do write my own books, not yet published but I have extra details in mind that never make it to the page. So it could be either.
I thought like they were unable to save the records for the first games
whoah i didn’t even realize this!!!
So this might be a little far-reaching, but I think it's possible that Maude Ivory is Katniss' grandmother. Lucy Gray left her the trunk of dresses (which Katniss mentions her mother having in the first book while Katniss is getting ready for the reaping). Also, Katinss knows the songs "The Hanging Tree" and "Deep in the Meadow" which all the characters in District 12 don't seem to know until after Katniss makes it famous in Mockingjay. ALSO, Prim and Mrs. Everdeen notably don't look like people of the Seam - which could mean that they are not really descendants of District 12, but rather a fairly new family to the area, which would make sense if they were descendants of the Covey. (Also, the whole thing with Maude Ivory and the goat seemed a really strong parallel to Prim and her goat.)
I would think that Katniss is related to the Covey on her father's side, since he is the one who knew the songs and the lake. Prim and her mother don't look like the Seam people because her mother is from the town.
@@ltfringr Ohhh you're right, I totally forgot about that! Ugh theory busted hahaha.
Was anyone else waiting for this video after the book came out? I was like "I wonder what Peyton will say about this" lol
i was too!! 😂
I kept checking every once in awhile loll
That was me too!!
SAME
I can't cope with the fact that Sejanus parallels Peeta, Lucy parallels Katniss and SNOW PARALLELS GALE in a way more extreme way as the way he slowly became crazy and less and less humane with the tiniest bit of power reminded me of the way Gale became by the end of Mockingjay with the bombs and everything and the contrasts between snow and Sejanus clearly match the contrasts between gale and Peeta's mindsets and no hate to Gale but that really fucked my head. I may be reaching here but honestly its the only thing I can think about.
omg, I knew Lucy paralleled Katniss and Sejanus paralleled Peeta but I never thought about snow and gale!!! oml it makes so much sense though...
secretlyamalfoy AAAAAAAAA now I’m dying!!!
Ok but Maude Ivory is probably Katniss and Prims grandma
YES! omg
Okay YES IM THINKING SOMETHING SIMILAR!!!! Everdeen sounds like evergreen (a color), katniss’s dad taught them those songs, was known for being an incredible singer, knew about the lake, Katniss tubers themselves
Mackenziie3 omg yes that would be so cool, pretty sure it must have been like that!🥰
Mackenziie3 plus the fact that Maude Ivory can hear any tune once and memorize it, just like a mockingjay
has to be! Hoff asks the Covey not to sing the Hanging Tree song publicly again as it's too rebellious, so the only way it could have made it through the Katniss (via her father) is if it was passed down through family
Okay I love your interpretation of the ending with Lucy Gray, I literally couldn’t figure out a thought for what happened to her. I loved how we saw Snow as a complete narcissist & calculating, it made so much sense and definitely made readers keep their distance from rooting for him. Sejanus drove me nuts a bit, especially when he went into the arena bc for why???? But it confused me, like Snow seemed to hate him in his head but once they were peacekeepers together he decided they were like brothers??? Seeing Lucy gray make those songs, it made me wonder if Katniss’s dad was the son of someone in the covey. Think about it, he was known for singing, taught Katniss those songs, knew about the lake, etc. “everdeen” sounds like “evergreen”, a color??? I absolutely LOVED Maude Ivory, she was so cute!!! She was probably my favorite in this book. I also loved when Snow got bread at the bakery in town, I’m guessing that must have been Peeta’s parents/grandparents
I feel like also, how at the end he was commended for turning Sejanus in, cemented his lack of guilt for murder. We could totally see him struggling with it & maybe that made him always able to justify his killings?? But like what a jerk, kills sejanus and then is able to feel comfortable basically becoming the Plinth’s family and heir, replacing Sejanus no problem, them not knowing he turned Sejanus in??
This has probably already been said but i think that maybe Lucy grays story is similar to the ballad... like they both lost themselves to snow and were never seen again
love that you mentioned how much Dr.Gual actually influenced everything!! I feel like no one is talking about it but you can see how she is the one egging snow on. loved this vlog and I'm glad you appreciated it cause I thought it was a great addition to THG world too 🐍
SPOILERS!!! Okay but does anyone else think that Lucy grey made it north to district 13 and grew up there, changed her name so no one would ever know who she was... alma coin ?? They are both about the same age in the original trilogy and it makes sense as coin had a hatred for snow and wanted to kill him herself, and it was her idea for the symbolic hunger game’s at the end of mockingjay and Lucy grey would have wanted the capitol to pay for what happened to her all the way back ?? Just a theory but my mind went straight to coin
Omg i thought about it too i was like omg i am soooo clever but everyone thought about it ahah😂😂 agree 100000% tho omg😳😳😳
I also thought that
so coin is 81 yrs old lol nice
Yes, and her name could still be considered Covey: alma for alma mater and coin for silver for coriolanus' materialistic ways and his hair was silver (kind of a stretch but it's fun to think about)
To me it makes perfect sense but I guess we will never know 😭
I just finished the book. Absolutely LOVED IT. The whole way through. The world building of both Panem and the games. Seeing snow’s “development”. The ABSOLUTELY, INSANELY CLEVER REFERENCES TO THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY??? And that ending though 👀👀👀 Suzanne knew what she was doing.
i think the sequel will be about lucy gray and district 13 or the society in the north
THE BOOK IS SOOOO FRIKIN GOOOOOOODD! I am so happy Suzanne blessed us with another HG book!!! ❤️ And the sticker is rly cute it’s already on my laptop lolllll ( AND I LEGIT CRIED WHEN I GOT IT I WAS SO HAPPPPYYY)
IKR I was not expecting a stickerrrr
I been obsessing over the book since i finished it the other day. I really love the darker elements to the story. I do agree that the pacing in part 3 was slow since it came from a high energy ending of part 2. I do have a theory that Lucy Grey ended up in distract 13 and becomes friends with Coin or Is Coin. This book would give a good reason why she wanted the hunger games with capital kids. Also Ma Ivory is totally Katniss' grandma.
Also I love that Mags is the first victor to ever get to live in Victor Village.
Yes also thought about that, but don‘t think she has something to do with coin and it isn‘t very likely that she still lived there at Katniss times because District 13 is so gray and Lucy Gray is so colourful and loves music, but maybe she lives there for some time!! I also don‘t think she is dead I think she lives in the woods or district 13 or whatever she is to clever to end shot by Snow after all she had to go through!!
@@kikifox7111 i really don't think she is dead at all. She would have to be somewhere, I hope. I didn't want to lose her like we lost Sejanus.
@@kikifox7111 exactly, she is so smart and so charming and so talented that she couldn just died by the hands of snow, she definitely escaped and made a life
I gave it a 4/5 🐍. Looking forward who will portray sejanus in the future
SAME! FAVE CHARACTER IN THE PREQUEL ASIDE FROM LUCY GRAY 😭
🐍 I think that Lucy Gray survives and is the beginning of Katniss’s family line through her father.
Katniss was from the seam,
She grows up with both the song “under the willow” and “the hanging tree”. + the unique naming conventions of both Katniss and Prim Rose after flowers feel true the Covey/Lucy influence.
exactly, lucy really escaped, she is too smart to be shot by snow, so she came back to 12 and married everdeen, she disappeared for a moment, maybe "LUCY GRAY" vanished, but she, the human being did live there
Sejanus is so reminiscent of Peeta yes I 100% agree...also yes I agree Lucy had more Johanna vibes than Katniss vibes even if there are some similarities from her and Katniss
I couldn’t even find it on French Amazon as a Kindle version, so I signed up to Audible and got it as my free audio book. I listened to it over two-three days and quite enjoyed it. I was shocked by the treatment of the tributes and how basic the arena was. Sejanus was my favourite character, he reminded me a little of Peeta ( kind, loyal, pacifist).
Ok I agree with you soo much on all your points! I enjoyed the book just as you did and I freaking lost it when the hanging tree scene came in. I thought the same about how much Snow must have hated it when that song became part of the revolution! And can we talk about how much Snow despises these Mockingjays? It was hilarious to me! He hates those birds. And cannot wait to kill them and I'm just sitting here like, I get why you hated Katniss soo much.
I really loved Lucy Gray Baird’s character so much. I really think this is the best book in the series. I also got way more attached to Lucy Gray Baird than I did to Katniss and Peeta. I honestly wish she said something about leaving instead of just running away because I actually cried when she just disappeared and Snow lost all affection for her. And like something that surprised me was how they said the tributes weren’t fed, lived in the zoo, that the arena was horrible and that someone placed bombs AND ESPECIALLY HOW MENTORS AND TRIBUTES DIED BEFORE THE GAMES AND BILLY TAUPE’S STUPID ASS CHARACTER! Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.
yes, lucy gray got my heart even more than katniss did, she is super smart so she managed to survive, i think she evetually returned to 12
I really liked the book! I hope she writes a second one about the rest of his rise to power. I'd love to know exactly what happened between him and Tigris(or maybe I wouldn't because I know it was bad and after reading this book, I like her even more!) because they were so close in this book and we know by the time of original series, they have nothing to do with each other. We didn't even know until this book that she was his cousin! I found it very interesting and telling how she changed how she was referring to him in the Epilogue. The whole book she referred to him as Coriolanus but in the epilogue she called him Snow. To me that was like summed up the whole book. When the book started he was a teenage boy who still had a chance to become someone good and do good things. He was kind of riding the middle between good and bad. But when he did the stuff he did District 12 and left, he'd made the choice and there was not going back! He became the Snow we know from the other books through that process. I'm not not saying he was all good before that because he wasn't and his motives were all super questionable. But he could've still seen the light and turned it around. The most disgusting thing to me about the whole thing is he gets Sejanus killed and then goes back to the Capital and gets his family to help him and take him in as their own! He's just such a narcissistic person!
I have couple thing's to say.
I loved this book so much and i was so sad when it ended. Sad about it ended and about book. At some point while reading i knew that this song isn't going to end high note but still i literally cried multiple times while reading. This book had me sitting edge of my seat whole time while reading. In my opinion this was more complex that original books and i loved that.
I started to like Snow but at the end this book remind me what he is and what he will be. I like how Dean Highbottom was pictured as evil character but at the end i think that main evil characters in this story was dr. Gaul and Snow himself.
I think that Katniss is somehow related to Covey's and Lucy Gray.
I loved Lucy Gray's character very much and her character development was amazing.
I loved that musical approach in this book and how those songs were included.
I'm waiting movie about this so much but i also realised that we only have heard story about 3 hunger games now. Still 72 games that we have only heard some little bits. I personally would love to hear more about Haymich and his story. Maybe some other things too.
I almost cried when Sejanus died, definitely the most emotional part for me. I really loved the book and I think Snow's character was done really well. The 3rd part was pretty slow in my opinion especially since the first 2 parts had a lot more action. Also, I'm sad that we didn't get an explanation as to how or why Tigris wanted Snow dead in the original trilogy, it seems like she loved him more than anything else in this book. I definitely think one of the Covey members, probably Maude Ivory, is Katniss's grandparent. Lastly, I'm kinda mad we didn't get closure on what happened to Lucy Gray, but I get it, it's a suppose to be a mystery like her ballad and Snow definitely never loved her even though he claimed to🐍🐍🐍
i think it was all planed for a sequel, and its about lucy gray future
There are so many interesting things about this book, especially the names of the characters. For example:
Arachne Crane - in Greek/Roman mythology, Arachne was a proud weaver who in her arrogance declared that she was better than Athena/Minerva, the goddess of weaving at it. Due to her hubris, she was, in some versions killed, and then turned into a spider in front her entire village. Arachne in the book provokes Brandy for a show because of her arrogance and is then killed by her.
Apollo and Diana Ring: named after the twin archers in Greek/Roman mythology
Satyria Click: possibly named after satyrs, half-goat and half-human creatures who were followers of the god Dionysus in Greek mythology and were notorious drunks, like Satyria in the books
Iphigenia Moss: in Greek mythology, Iphigenia was a princess whose father, Agammemnon had to sacrifice her because he displeased a goddess. Iphigenia in this book has a strained and problematic relationship with her father.
Snow is the definition of an evil Slytherin. I love it so much, especially bc I think Katniss is also a Slytherin but the good kind. And Lucy is just a full out mystery 🐍🐍🐍
I think Lucy would be a Slytherin too tbh
@@mareeahmat6666 Yeah I think so too. I hope she is because I love the Slytherin house 😊
47 whole minutes of vlogging!! Peyton is treating us well
Did anyone else while reading the third act of this book low key hope for a duel on a lava river in District 12 between Coriolanus and Sejanus where Sejanus says “the capitol is evil” and Coriolanus says “from my point of view the rebels are evil!” And then have it end with Sejanus saying “it’s over Coryo, I have the high ground!” but Coriolanus does a front flip to attack but falls to the ground and burns in the lava, and is left for dead by Sejanus, then found by Dr. Gaul who takes him in at the end? No? Just me? Ok
Also I had the Chancellor Palpatine theme playing in my head every scene that had Dr. Gaul in it
Also 🐍
This comment don't get the love it deserve
I laughed so hard reading it, never though of this parallel before!
I loved this book and really enjoyed reading from Snows perspective as he was always a character who I loved to hate. I also really enjoyed seeing the Hunger Games in an early stage. (how the arena was much more basic and how so many tributes died before the arena) I loved all of the hints to the original series (the hob, the hanging tree song etc.).
🐍 I freaking loved your review. And yes, Sejanus was my favorite character. He was so sweet. I can’t wait for the film adaptation of this book 😭
Lmao take a shot (or a grain of rat poison) every time Peyton says "like"
I do have a problem lmao
this was the best book in the series. i said what i said.
Just so you know I finally finished the book at like 1 am and I went straight to watch this vlog 😂
Dude, my last day of reading it I had 100 pages left and that day was just screaming, crying, yelling, and confusion.🐍
i’m only on page 250 so i’ll be back on Wednesday probably :)
update: well... i didn’t last till wednesday i finished it today (sunday) and I LOVED the book. 9.5/10
🐍 loved the book... honestly feel like you have to have a certain philosophical context to get the most out of this book, which not everyone has.
Reading all this comments I saw a lot of people saying that Lucy Gray can be Alma Coin. At firts I didn't believe it for a second, but then I searched in the book the description of president coin, just for fun. Katniss said that she was amazed by how perfect president coin's hair was and we all know how Lucy always take care of her look. It's just a little detail, but it was just so... perfect. It also says that president coin's eyes were gray, but not that seam kinda of gray, more like melted *snow*. I took it as a sign😂
Snow is the most realistic character in this series. He's interesting, im a fan.
He wanted to university thing to help his family who were in poverty! Thats not a selfish thing to do at all.
🐍🐍🐍 oh my gosh I LOVED this video! Your reactions were 100% the same as mine while reading it 😂 I was freaking out and screaming the whole time. The only thing that I am trying to determine is if Lucy Gray sent the snake to Snow, or if he was just paranoid and thought she did. Because the doctor said it wasn’t poisonous and wouldn’t kill him. And we definitely know that Lucy Gray knows how to kill haha I think she did in fact realize what was happening, but I don’t know if she would try to kill him? 🤔 I think it was just to show how quickly the switch flipped on Snow. He went from “loving” her to hating her in 2 seconds. How paranoid he was at the end. Idk I haven’t decided yet lol. Would love to hear your thoughts!
lucy gray discovered snow was a bad person since he killed mayfair, if he solved his problems by killing without talking or bargaining, she knew he was bad. lucy said she originally planned to go alone to the woods, and then she went to the lake instead of the north, thats why lucy already knew, she planned it all, so she escaped and lived
I finished it last night! I dint get how anyone could hate such a good juicy book. I also freaked when I realized that Tigres is the creepy tiger lady from Mockingjay!
yesss 🐍🐍🐍
this video was so fun to watch!! i feel like we've talked about most things but the ending was so wild but it was pretty satisfying and everything with Highbottom and the games was sO interesting like ... wild
can't wait to chat about this more in depth in the liveshow!! 💖💖💖
Girl I literally read this book along with you. I would pause the video until we got until the same point. The story was so interesting and the references made me want to scream because they just meant so much. Thank you for doing this video and I enjoyed the book even more because of you. Can’t wait for the new content surrounding this book! 🐍🐍
glad I'm not the only one who did this lol
I preordered my copy from Wal Mart and I got a cool bookmark! The Target one comes with a poster, and barnes and nobles comes with a sticker.
I absolutely enjoyed this new book. There is something special about Suzanne Collins' books: either the characters, the events, the circumstances, the language, the stories - I don't know what else, but she is a real master of telling the stories. I like the way she describes the evolution of the characters, the sense of drama, the importance of the ideas her books tell us about.
And I liked your video :-) I watched it only now (after more than a year since the publication of the book), but I still had watery eyes throughout the video, even though I know the story and turnarounds.
Coriolanus Snow is a very interesting character. You know who he is going to become in the end, and yet you see his good sides, you hope as you read, you hope... but look just how he becomes a blueprint of The President Coriolanus Snow! As everyone, he has good sides and bad sides, but a couple of triggers are enough to break the balance. Again, this is a very interesting depiction of evolution of a character.
As for the Hanging Tree song.... Even remembering the moment when I realized I was reading about the events the song tells us about gives me goosebumps!
Just discovered your channel. I've listened to this review twice already. I really enjoyed this book! I thought it was intense! Honestly, the only part I didn't love was the chapter where Snow is chasing Lucy Gray down in the woods with the gun. I would've liked a little more dialogue between them, but I suppose her just singing the song was fitting. In a different way, I hate how he takes advantage of the Plinths in the end and still feels superior to them as a Capital resident, but it makes so much sense into showing him as the burgeoning monster we all grew to hate.
I can't wait to watch this vid but i don't have the book yet :(
I chose not to watch this until after I had finished it myself, but 🐍! I’m so glad you loved it! I loved watching your talk about it!
I know this is late, but I wanted to say that my favourite line in this book was on page 516 (in the epilogue) when Snow says:
'She could fly around District 12 all she liked, but she and her mockingjays could never harm him again.'
Well look just look how wrong that little slime ball was!
thats the phrase that confirmed (for me) that lucy is alive and returned to 12, but she didnt have any influence or fame anymore, snow took care of that, thats why he said that she could go around 12 without harming him
🐍 I really loved President Snow in the original series so i was so happy with this book.
The ending left me wondering if she's going to continue it. I kinda hope it stays a stand alone prequel but I think she left enough unanswered to do more if she wanted
I was so curious as to what exactly happened between Snow and Tigris that turned them into enemies, but in a way I think leaving it up to inference was also powerful suggesting the extent that Snow reached into evilness
I feel like that was it for this specific book but maybe more prequels focused on other aspects of time? I noted, at the end of this book she wrote “the end” but the hunger games ends with “end of book one”, catching fire “end of book two” & mockingjay was “the end”
The fact you thought I would not watch the whole thing is mindblowing
🐍🐍 I loved this video!! All of the dots the book connects are so satisfying!!
🐍I’m so happy you liked it. I loved it and thought I was going crazy when all I was seeing was 1 and 2 star reviews. Also great vlog, it felt more like a 20 min video
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS! Everyone I talked to about this book didn’t understand how AMAZING it was and they all said it was boring. But you DEFINITELY understood!
i got the audio book at 12:01am and didn’t go to sleep till i was finished! it was so good... my copy came in yesterday
🐍 Loved the book! Now I kinda want an Effie Trinket or a Cinna novel 🤔
Just finished the book today! Love your energy over this book 😄🐍
My favorite part was her talking about how awkward it would be to meet the other tributes, like I never thought about that but I love the idea that the biggest problem for the tributes is social anxiety 😂🐍
this vlog is a breath of fresh air, and i'm gonna check out your book review too, because so many other reviews i've seen have all been like "i liked Snow until part 3" or "i was back and forth on liking him" and i felt like the only person who hated him throughout lol Suzanne Collins did such a great job with how she handled this book, it was fantastic.
I loved the book! Thought Suzanne was brilliant and made me understand Snows way of thinking and I can understand how he became the man he was. ❤️ I couldn’t help but like him and his loyalty and self preservation!
i finished the book this afternoon, and all i can say is that susan collins is brilliant, i really enjoyed the book, as well as your video. one of my favorite things about the book that gives me goosebumps is the fact that the title of the book is literally the ballad of lucy gray. i also loved the easter eggs that collins gave us, its mindblowing how she paid attention to little details that later made sense.❤️🐍
the snake in the title also could mean snow, but i like the idea of both songbirds and snakes refering to lucy better
Covey is also a word that means "flock of birds". Collins is insinuating that it's in their nature to migrate and seek freedom through the name. It's also interesting the Lucy is connected to birds, which Snow later insists a deep hatred for but Lucy feels a kinship to.
I am really excited, I should be getting this book in a couple days
ahhh this vlog was everything. I'm glad you liked Sejanus! i feel like so many people did, but i just could NOT connect with him at all. i feel like maybe if i reread it i would like him more. i really loved lucy though. she was so interesting and all of the hunger games easter eggs in this book were so amazing.
I just finished the book, I loved it. Especially the parallel between the girl in the song Lucy Gray is named for and Lucy Gray herself. The girl in the song disappeared in a snow storm, Lucy Gray also disappeared because of Snow. Leaving nothing behind but her songs
The hagging tree part made me really emotionnal lmao
Thank you for doing this so fast!!! I absolutely love your channel...and I’ve finally found someone with the same love for The Hunger Games!!
Exactly agree with you on the idea that Suzanne sprinkles a lot in here that you won’t get if you’re not reading closely and critically.
I just finished this book and I ADORED it! Lucy grays end KILLED ME! Sejanus is such an AMAZING character. I had so many feelings
but lucy never died, i think she went back to 12 but her life was ruined ( she was nobody and she wasnt allowed to sing) so she was technically dead for society
Ok but the Easter eggs tho 😳 did anyone else have like a spasm when they said sejanus went to the bakery to get bread or was that just me?? lollll 🐍
There is no way any of us have finished the video when I commenting
These are a few things isuspected would happen also it’s a mess and if you read all of it props to you
From the start I knew Snow was going to kill Sejanus, the whole time he had such a disdain for his district heritage.
I was also hoping the song Katniss sings to Rue and Prim would be there (the in the meadow under the willow song)
Also I loved the mention of the katniss plant, and correct me if I’m wrong but I thing the lake and the run down shack that they visit is the same one that Katniss and her father visited
I knew that Sejanus was going to be hanged because earlier in the book Lucy Gray was singing the Hanging Tree song and I looked up all of the lyrics and there was one line about someone getting hanged for the murder of three people, I didn’t know why or who Sejanus was going to kill (but I guess I was right for the wrong reason)
🐍 this book is life! as well as Lucy Grey. And rereading Mokingjay in the 'lake-moment' when Katniss start to sing Hunging Tree and identifies it on her own. Its just masterclass!
Snow acted as if he was better than everyone and he was saying oh they aren’t my friends etc yet he is poor and has barely any possessions
I love the hunger games series! It's actually the series that got me into reading since I got out of college in '02. I didn't even read it till after the first movie. I couldn't be more uninterested in reading about snow!!! None the less, if you enjoy it good for you, I'm glad some people are excited 🤪
🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍 loved the video had to finish reading it myself before watching this video!
I still need to get a copy of this 😭😭
Important thing about Gaul! Her first name is Volumnia, which is the same name of the title character's mom in Shakespeare's play 'Coriolanus'. Collins has a track record for putting a lot of thought into names, and she definitely knows her Shakespeare. This is important because Volumnia is constantly pushing Corionlanus towards violence, the same way Gaul does to Snow! Ugh, Suzanne, your mind!
I loved this book so so so so so so so much !!!! I read it in a day and ive reread it twice since,,, obviously i preordered it aswell which was amazing,, i loved it so sos sks aoalososos MUCH !! Also im english and our cover is so gorgeous :')
My copy arrives today!!!!!! I’m so excited😆