Finding the best Mario Kart 8 Deluxe builds using SCIENCE!!!!

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  • čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
  • 0:00 Introduction
    1:30 What is Pareto Efficiency
    4:48 How are your build's stats calculated?
    7:05 Pareto Efficiency in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
    11:12 Other examples of competitive builds
    Twitch - / bayesic
    Twitter - @BayesicMK8
    Hey everyone, welcome to another Bayesic Deep Dive. Today we're going to cover the best builds in Mario Kart 8 using a concept from economics known
    as Pareto Efficiency or Pareto Optimality. This is actually a video I've been wanting to put together for a really long time, but ended up rewriting the script for multiple times to get it as good as possible.
    Hope you all enjoy!
    Henry Hinnefeld's original article for MK8 WiiU
    / the-best-mario-kart-ch...
    Links to the updated analysis for MK8 DX
    / mk8dx_new_calculation_...
    Website that shows you all the stats (including hidden stats) for your builds
    mk8dxbuilder.com/
    Mario wiki that has all the in game stat information for all the characters, karts, tires, and gliders
    www.mariowiki.com/Mario_Kart_...
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    ** Please read this whole section **
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    bayesicmk8dx.shinyapps.io/mk8...
    So here's the thing though. I currently have the free version of the shinyapps account, and this limits the usage on the app. Once it's seen 25 hours of usage in a single month it'll basically just stop working until the next month, so just keep that in mind when you're using it. I'm probably just going to put all of the data / code on a git repo somewhere for you to all download it yourselves eventually, but wanna figure out how to do that in a secure way first
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  • @tanaz_7177
    @tanaz_7177 Před 3 lety +1530

    The irony of learning about an economic concept as I procrastinate my macroecon class

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  Před 3 lety +96

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @four-en-tee
      @four-en-tee Před 2 lety +76

      You know what they say: learning is easy when its made fun. Applying a given lesson or knowledge to subjects we actually care about helps with learning new information.
      Its why channels like Game Theory are so interesting, regardless of the quality of MatPat's actual theories.

    • @MercuryA2000
      @MercuryA2000 Před 2 lety +19

      @@four-en-tee I really wish school was better about this. Learning is so fun and cool, but not when its dumbed down to purely theoretical stuff for a grade. Stats would be so much cooler for sports fans if they got to try and determine who the best player of the season was, and I think everyone would have a bit more fun doing an essay where they had to argue a point they actually care about.

    • @moxxieNmils_
      @moxxieNmils_ Před 2 lety +3

      I read that as macaroni 🤣🤣

    • @marcotanooky9651
      @marcotanooky9651 Před rokem

      Did you pass

  • @RedVelvetUnderground333
    @RedVelvetUnderground333 Před 3 lety +1031

    When u beat a gang of waluigi it’s so satisfying

  • @jiffyforthewin5949
    @jiffyforthewin5949 Před 3 lety +939

    My build is one dot below optimal, but I'd rather feel the satisfaction of beating people online knowing they have a .5% advantage over me rather than be a sellout lol

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  Před 3 lety +238

      Yeah like I said in the video... gitting gud is way more important than eking out EVERY possible advantage in your build. There's a dude who's arguably one of the best competitive MK players in the world who mains Shy Guy which, on paper, is shit lol

    • @JV-jf8ck
      @JV-jf8ck Před 2 lety +64

      @@Bayesic ^ can confirm there is a high division shy guy player, never formally met him but everyone in comp knows who he is.

    • @freddyvasquez3063
      @freddyvasquez3063 Před 2 lety +4

      im just happy the meme king is good at something

    • @StevenVillman
      @StevenVillman Před 2 lety +16

      @@Bayesic Some of us (myself included) don't have a lot of time to grind in _Mario Kart 8_ or _Mario Kart 8 Deluxe_ - especially on the 200cc Grand Prix mode - as we have other commitments/responsibilities, which prevent us from extensively playing _Mario Kart 8_ or _Mario Kart 8 Deluxe,_ and thus want to know what is the best character/vehicle/tires/glider combination out there (or at least the best vehicle/tires/glider combination for any given character for those of us who *_insist_* on using a certain character in-game).

    • @MercuryA2000
      @MercuryA2000 Před 2 lety +23

      I just put myself in and apparently female villager can literally never be optimal. I don't care though, the idea of bodying people with a cute little pink girl with literally no defined personality besides Happy (narrows it down a lot less when I write that out...) is amusing. I guess if I go tryhard I can switch to Rosa Mr. Scooty to hit the plateau.

  • @jz3yeah
    @jz3yeah Před 3 lety +1928

    Great stuff, maybe just to add a further obvious answer to the “why waluigi” as opposed to DK or Roy (same weight class), he provides more track visibility. Waluigi is a skinnier character, so you see more of the track ahead of you when racing, compared to DK and Roys fat asses. Similarly, cloud glider arguably provides more visibility (and certainly less distraction) then the other more colourful alternatives.

    • @professorshyguy5173
      @professorshyguy5173 Před 3 lety +149

      As someone who used Cloud Glider for too long I ended up switching to Paper Glider cus it's semi transparent. There have been a few situations where something was conveniently blocked by my glider as I land where I shouldn't have.
      You're 100% right about Walu tho

    • @brycehmxn979
      @brycehmxn979 Před 2 lety +41

      Also in a team comp race since everyone else used waluigi if u use dk or Roy you are easily identified

    • @thomas9816
      @thomas9816 Před 2 lety +111

      I always thought it was just for the meme

    • @alexc2194
      @alexc2194 Před 2 lety +50

      Have you ever used the most obstructing build before? To me it was a fun challenge. Its something along the lines of bowser, wiggler or ATV, and ofc the monster tires. Good luck seeing anything when you glide, the bowser glider is a good choice for covering the screen, but maybe there are better options.

    • @_D_S_
      @_D_S_ Před 2 lety +2

      Ah smart!

  • @cocoabeangamer690
    @cocoabeangamer690 Před 2 lety +3568

    The real best builds are the friends we made along the way.

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  Před 2 lety +588

      You don’t need the best build in the game when you’ve got family

    • @hotwheels9754
      @hotwheels9754 Před 2 lety +14

      Or enemies

    • @tommitcx5463
      @tommitcx5463 Před 2 lety +27

      @@Bayesic Dom's charger for mario kart?????

    • @LITTLE1994
      @LITTLE1994 Před 2 lety +6

      Good luck on that. I hardly ever have friends.

    • @Duraith
      @Duraith Před 2 lety +3

      @@Bayesic I swesr to god that's a Vin Diesel quote

  • @A_G_Benson
    @A_G_Benson Před 2 lety +177

    I have a PhD in economics. I applaud you for your explanation of Pareto optimality. It is clear and flawless. Honestly, I could see myself using this video to help illustrate the concept to students.

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  Před 2 lety +33

      Thank you, that means a lot!

    • @brianford9522
      @brianford9522 Před rokem +12

      Masters degree in Mechanical Engineering here... I just love how video games bring everyone together! Loved the video... but then again, I love math so there you go. lol

    • @kingkeltic4228
      @kingkeltic4228 Před rokem

      I bet you have a PhD lmao. I'm a multi-trillionaire with the fattest dong on Earth.

  • @Fuzunga
    @Fuzunga Před 2 lety +570

    I learned long ago that the most important stat in Mario Kart is acceleration. Doesn't matter how fast you are because you're going to get hit with 100 items a lap and you need to recover as quickly as possible. Bonus that the stat now increases your boost from drifting.

    • @Awesomizer83
      @Awesomizer83 Před 2 lety +2

      speed increases ur boost from drifitng, not acceleration, but yea acceleration was always the best

    • @lkmdude8094
      @lkmdude8094 Před 2 lety +48

      Maybe in Mario kart 8 acceleration is the best stat, but that has not been the case for all Mario kart games, especially DS and Wii. In the former it was mini turbo duration and in the latter it's speed.

    • @SentinelHirsc
      @SentinelHirsc Před 2 lety +6

      @@lkmdude8094 7 and Double Dash were speed, too, with handling/off-road being fairly important in 7 too if memory serves

    • @theNimboo
      @theNimboo Před 2 lety +2

      Ya same, I knew this way before watching this video just from experience. Pretty much everything he talked about we already knew intuitively just from playing. I have over 200 hours in the Switch Mario Kart, and another 300 in my 3ds version, so you kind of "feel" these things with experience and experimentation.

    • @OneMindReezy
      @OneMindReezy Před 2 lety +5

      @@Awesomizer83 wrong, acceleration increases mini turbo (hidden stat) which is why biddybuggy has the highest mini turbo and acceleration stat

  • @Tr3nchJDemonie
    @Tr3nchJDemonie Před 3 lety +576

    This video is the answer to the question I stopped asking a while ago.

    • @Juan_Garcia07
      @Juan_Garcia07 Před 2 lety +1

      SAME

    • @Tr3nchJDemonie
      @Tr3nchJDemonie Před 2 lety +1

      Consider subscribing to MK Road Maps. My videos are far better than my comments.

  • @superbro6413
    @superbro6413 Před 2 lety +224

    It's impressive how this game has been out for 7-ish years, and finally someone has a concise, well edited video explaining the nity-grity of MK8DX builds.
    Props to you man, fantastic work.
    You deserve a warm glass of milk and a cookie.

    • @Dinostraw
      @Dinostraw Před 2 lety +10

      The Wii U version plays very differently to Deluxe. There basically is an optimal build for Wii U, since 33 of the 48 WRs use the same statically equivalent builds on 33 of the 48 tracks, and this build works fine on nearly every track in normal races. It's why you always saw Morton, Streetle / Blue Falcon, and Slicks in that game, and it's also probably why there isn't any video on the matter for the Wii U version because there basically is an objectively best build that'll work in almost all circumstances in a regular race (and still work for the majority of tracks at a WR level). So if we're excluding the Wii U version, then it was really about 4 years instead of 7 or so years for this type of content to be released (when it did release).
      Deluxe had an entire overhaul on the stats and altered some of the mechanics, which is why there is a larger amount of combo variety in this game. As for why there hasn't been a video yet (before this one) on the Deluxe side of things, part of that may have to do with the fact that there really aren't that many big 8DX channels from players in the actual scene, but I can't say for certain why no one has chosen to go so in-depth

  • @carpediem8314
    @carpediem8314 Před 3 lety +489

    Small characters are perfect for time trials because you don’t have to worry about heavier characters knocking you off the track.

    • @petermarsella6537
      @petermarsella6537 Před 2 lety +14

      Honestly I just want to know the best build for acing time trials. I'm thinking traction and ground speed, since acceleration and mini boost stats don't seem to matter as much, but being able to stay on the track and still move fast would be important

    • @pinguselen6771
      @pinguselen6771 Před 2 lety +36

      @@petermarsella6537 just check WR on said time trial. Whatever they're going is probably the vest build.

    • @catsareyes6446
      @catsareyes6446 Před 2 lety +9

      @@pinguselen6771
      Waluigi on a Wild Wiggler has claimed a portion of world records...

    • @Ivy-ir7jw
      @Ivy-ir7jw Před 2 lety +35

      Smaller characters generally have lower top speed and higher acceleration though, and when you're running a time trial acceleration is going to stop mattering fairly early.

    • @penetrationskommentar877
      @penetrationskommentar877 Před 2 lety +3

      What are you talking about? Mario Kart DS was the only mario kart in which weight really played a role.

  • @kuzma1113
    @kuzma1113 Před 2 lety +95

    I play competitive Mario kart for my state and I just wanna say this video has helped me greatly find the best character for a standard kart/super glider/standard setup. Really appreciate it, keep up the great work. I would love to catch one of your streams sometimes. :)

    • @theNimboo
      @theNimboo Před 2 lety +1

      Competitive Mario Kart for your state? What are you even on about lmao That doesn't exist

    • @kuzma1113
      @kuzma1113 Před 2 lety +8

      @@theNimboo It's called the fuse cup its in Australia

  • @Tom-vx7qh
    @Tom-vx7qh Před 3 lety +63

    I'm so glad I found this channel. Nobody else talks about Mario Kart 8 Deluxe seriously. It makes it much harder to research this game compared to others.

  • @TheHegemon11
    @TheHegemon11 Před 2 lety +39

    Even if it's slightly less optimal, I'm gonna always use the 4 Gold build cuz, like, cmon dude, it looks sick

  • @Jenaxu
    @Jenaxu Před 2 lety +74

    "Why does everyone use Walugi"
    I...I thought it was just a meme where the whole lobby tries to use one character lolol

    • @catsareyes6446
      @catsareyes6446 Před 2 lety +18

      And Waluigi is an enormous meme that had reached “god status” amongst the memes.

    • @samuelthecamel
      @samuelthecamel Před 2 lety +21

      At first, most Waluigi players were from Japan, so I just assumed the meme reached Japan somehow. Turns out it's just because they're tryhards

    • @Hitlercumslurper
      @Hitlercumslurper Před rokem

      Me using Waluigi because he’s my favourite character 😐

  • @tisc7202
    @tisc7202 Před 2 lety +162

    I never realized the customizations changed how good we are
    I just chose the ones that looked the coolest

  • @WafflesInTheRain
    @WafflesInTheRain Před 2 lety +3

    I genuinely enjoyed this content so I’m just leaving a comment to help your metrics. This was a really interesting and cool way of breaking things down, and the results (what builds are popular and used in world record runs) proved your hypothesis (that the best builds would float to the top).

  • @henryoprinski4180
    @henryoprinski4180 Před 2 lety +39

    For me, handling is the most important stat. Using a kart that can turn well is just so fun to race with. Especially on 200cc which makes up for it normally being really slow.

  • @SaturnProductions
    @SaturnProductions Před 3 lety +8

    Very well put together video! Can't wait to see what you do next.

  • @darrickwestphal7443
    @darrickwestphal7443 Před 2 lety +20

    I like that this makes sense, scientifically, and in the gaming world, where you have to give players ups and downs, but still keep it fair. Well done!

  • @thomas.huften
    @thomas.huften Před 3 lety +10

    Amazing video! Really fun to hear about Pareto-efficiency combined with favorite game. Thanks a lot!!

  • @SgtKaito
    @SgtKaito Před 3 lety +77

    I don't even remember the last time I've played Mario Kart 8 but this came up on my recommended and sounded interesting, so here I am. It was very interesting, and I kind of want to play some Mario Kart now!

  • @TheKinkySkink
    @TheKinkySkink Před 3 lety

    Always nice to see in-depth videos on this game and you do a great job explaining things. I'd love to get my hands on that application to see how my personal build stacks up for the fun of it

  • @paulpauvert4637
    @paulpauvert4637 Před 3 lety +6

    this is crystal clarity right there, my dude. Liked and subbed !

  • @supergeorge8603
    @supergeorge8603 Před 3 lety +13

    Very interesting and informative video. My personal favourite build is Lemmy - Bone Rattler - azure roller - gold glider, not an optimal build but a fun one to use.

  • @gabekart581
    @gabekart581 Před 3 lety +4

    Great video! It helped me see the metas in a whole different way

  • @four-en-tee
    @four-en-tee Před 2 lety +14

    As someone who's taking a Project Management course this semester in college, i never thought i'd hear Pareto brought up in a Mario Kart video.

  • @jonasdietrich8109
    @jonasdietrich8109 Před rokem +1

    Thanks a lot for your hard work! Turns out that the setup I am mostly using is almost pareto optimal, but now I did some tweaks with the help of your tool and now run a 10/15 (mini turbo/speed) pareto build.

  • @stagefright1238
    @stagefright1238 Před 3 lety +38

    I swear to god this is the MOST UNDERRATED channel in the whole of CZcams

  • @pianist1562
    @pianist1562 Před 3 lety +8

    Great video! This puts ideas that I'd understood mainly through intuition gained from years of playing the game into solid logic. I'll definitely share this with anyone who has questions about combos in the future.
    P.S. The video also made me appreciate R a lot more; I really didn't like the stat class that made me learn it, but seeing it used for something I'm so passionate about was really cool. Great job on that inspiration too x)

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  Před 3 lety +2

      O_O thanks man appreciate that! It’s funny you mention your stats class being kind of unmotivating for learning R cause I had the same experience
      My first stats professor didn’t really explain how to use it very well and so basically everybody in the class was totally lost with it. Then I found some random side project that I wanted to work on and forced myself to learn R to work on that project
      Now a not insubstantial portion of my R use is spent answering video game related questions like in your stream today xD

  • @Spectral_wolf97
    @Spectral_wolf97 Před 3 lety +2

    Very complex but actually helpful vid great work my guy!

  • @LadyEclairMinecraft
    @LadyEclairMinecraft Před 2 lety

    This is the best video I've seen breaking down how all of these builds work. Also I love that you used R to go through all this data. Never something I would've thought to use R for.

  • @popoki8666
    @popoki8666 Před 3 lety +7

    This was really well done! deserves more views

  • @JUMPhiI
    @JUMPhiI Před 3 lety +19

    Great video. Another way to look at it is combined stats. Say for example you want a build that has the highest possible combined Ground Speed and Mini Turbo, and out of those the one that has the highest combined total stats. So we are focusing on increasing the 2 most important stats to their combined maximum, while sacrificing as little as possible of the other stats.
    Let's look at builds with the maximum 7.75 bars combined Speed and MT, and at least 45 total bars across all 12 stats (maximum is 46).
    That leaves us with only 12 builds, all of which are Waluigi/Wario, Biddybuggy/Streetle/Wiggler and Rollers, with different Gliders. The top 2 builds out of these are Waluigi/Wario with Wiggler, Rollers and Paper Glider at 3.5+4.25 (Waluigi) / 3.75+4 (Wario) Speed+MT and 45.25 bars total combined stats, with the other 10 builds being at 45. In case you value MT higher than speed, Waluigi with Biddybuggy, Rollers and Paper Glider is the build with the highest MT stat that fits these requirements at 3 Speed, 4.75 MT and 45 total.
    To me at least this seems to explain the most popular builds perfectly.
    Also, by this logic, the worst possible combination would be Lemmy, Badwagon and Slicks with any Glider except Paper. 5.5 combined Speed+MT and 33.75 total stats.

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  Před 3 lety +4

      Interesting I hadn’t thought about in that way before but makes a lot of sense. And here I thought my baby Luigi build was the worst!

    • @yonatanbeer3475
      @yonatanbeer3475 Před 3 lety +1

      I don't think you can add MT and Speed like that. What are the units of this combined stat?

  • @vanceoliver7940
    @vanceoliver7940 Před 2 lety

    This was amazing! Thanks for all the insight. Appreciate the detail.

  • @JoshuaKoh
    @JoshuaKoh Před 2 lety +1

    Super clear and entertaining content. You're a madlad for coding a shinyapp to visualize the details too! Great work on the videos!

  • @Doshalot
    @Doshalot Před 3 lety +10

    U need more subs IMO ur the only person making this kind of content for mk8d

  • @lincolnkrueger5583
    @lincolnkrueger5583 Před 3 lety +20

    Ahhhh. Science. My favorite

  • @anaka42
    @anaka42 Před 3 lety +1

    Your MK videos are easily the best my dude. Thanks for the hard work.

  • @scottymartini
    @scottymartini Před 2 lety

    Genuinely one of the most interesting videos I’ve seen in a while. Subbed

  • @ibbybibby
    @ibbybibby Před 3 lety +7

    3:51
    Feels like I'm back in a maths classroom

  • @freshproduce4954
    @freshproduce4954 Před 3 lety +28

    Thank you so much for this information. I was always curious about this. I like that at least up to 150cc you can win with basically anything. I use Morton with the Streetle and Azure Rollers because I think it looks goofy.

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  Před 3 lety +6

      Nice lol. And yeah I mean if you’re good at the game you can beat like 99% of people with literally anything

  • @giraffedragon6110
    @giraffedragon6110 Před 2 lety +2

    As someone who had played Mario Kart Double Dash for about 15-17 years, there are things I’ve noticed when playing.
    Regarding stats, the most important stat is acceleration while weight is the least important. Because you’re likely to be getting hit at some point during the race and skilled racers will time their tosses with enough gap for you to stagger and move just a little bit before hitting you again.
    The specials that appear the most are Mario/Luigi, Bowser/jr, DK/Diddy, Wario/Waluigi, followed by Yoshi/Birdo and Koopa/Paratroopa. These are the Specials that appear the most frequently while in the lead.
    The best of this list are Offensive, Defensive or both.
    Regarding straight up offense, Wario/Waluigi bomb and Yoshi/Birdo egg are really good. The egg even has utility as it spawns 3 items that can be shells, bomb, star, shroom, or bananas. Meanwhile the bomb is used as a terrify/fling tool or as a trap to someone not to far behind you.
    Pure defense goes to the Giant Banana. Huge hit box, regular shells and certain specials won’t even dent it, if it does break it turns into 3 smaller ones. If you want to be truly tactical cruel, put these, regular bananas, and fake item boxes at the peak of ramps or on guardrail-less bridges.
    For the best for both, Koopa she’ll of Doom and the triple red/greens (the color IS NOT determined by the Koopa) spaced out triple reds are going to be your greatest catch up tool beside speed enhancers.
    So for a great build, you want 2 small characters, low weight, better speed, fantastic acceleration, and characters with these specials. My recommendation is Bow jr with one of the Koopas.

  • @itsYaMans
    @itsYaMans Před 2 lety +1

    Man, thank you for taking the time creating this content. Genuinely happy you exist, buddy.

  • @chrod64
    @chrod64 Před 3 lety +17

    This is the most well made video i've seen on this topic. Definitely going to share this with people when they ask why I use the tryhard build haha. Very informative, thank you!

  • @flint9064
    @flint9064 Před 3 lety +11

    I learned more about math from this video instead of my own stats class.
    I have mario kart brain

  • @andre-arthur
    @andre-arthur Před rokem

    Amazing video!! I never really understood how people chose the best karts for each track and you explained everything incredibly well! Bravo!

  • @drscruffylupagus
    @drscruffylupagus Před 2 lety

    Great vid and website. I've been looking for this information. 😊
    Thank you.

  • @JasperHuskyFox
    @JasperHuskyFox Před 2 lety +7

    Holy crap, you explained Pareto Efficiency very well!! I have issues with understanding concepts and ideas due to Asperger's (low autism), but the way where you made it visual and explained it slowly and carefully, you've made understanding much easier!!
    One sub from me! Keep up the amazing content!

  • @mariocisemusic
    @mariocisemusic Před 2 lety +3

    Great video! The hidden stats in this game are so frustrating to me. Mini turbo, arguably the most important stat, is completely hidden, and traction referring to off-road traction makes absolutely no sense, since some of the slipperiest builds in the game happen to have decent off-road traction.

  • @captainjett7049
    @captainjett7049 Před 2 lety

    This was a super informative video that kept my attention the whole time! Good work

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  Před 2 lety +1

      Thank you! I really enjoyed putting this one together

  • @retr_0864
    @retr_0864 Před rokem +1

    Thanks, my friend getting into the game and I couldn’t find a better way to explain it all. Video helped

  • @Bayesic
    @Bayesic  Před 3 lety +361

    First off: I'm aware that at 7:04 there's a typo and the acceleration should be 1.75
    Since people are asking about it, here's a link to the web-based app I put together for this video (it's totally free, no ads no nothing, I get absolutely NO benefit from you guys using this other than the satisfaction of knowing it's being used).
    ********************************************
    ** Please read the rest of this comment **
    ********************************************
    bayesicmk8dx.shinyapps.io/mk8_build_optimizer/
    So here's the thing though. I currently have the free version of the shinyapps account, and this limits the usage on the app. Once it's seen 25 hours of usage in a single month it'll basically just stop working until the next month, so just keep that in mind when you're using it. I'm probably just going to put all of the data / code on a git repo somewhere for you to all download it yourselves eventually, but wanna figure out how to do that in a secure way first

    • @solarupdraft
      @solarupdraft Před 3 lety +3

      I ended up just adding together and plotting my build myself, then pausing the video and checking the chart. Thanks for the work you put into the app and video!

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  Před 3 lety +8

      Awesome I’ll definitely look into that!

    • @Pslamist
      @Pslamist Před 3 lety +3

      Hey dude; did you look into that? I don't want your thing to disappear.

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  Před 3 lety +4

      @@Pslamist as far as I can tell it should still work. Have you tried it yet?
      The problem with the GitHub solution is that as far as I can tell there’s not a way to actually like host the app there. All I can do is just put the code and then you’d have to install everything yourself

    • @JackFrostVT
      @JackFrostVT Před 2 lety +4

      @@Bayesic Link doesn't work for me. :( I found this video too late. I hope there's a way to fix it.

  • @AlphaOmega503
    @AlphaOmega503 Před 3 lety +29

    kart combos matter but so does skills. just having the best combo alone wont garauntee you a win.

  • @matteolesina8952
    @matteolesina8952 Před 2 lety +12

    The best build is clearly the one that looks the coolest to any given player

  • @Swashbucklebuckle
    @Swashbucklebuckle Před 2 lety

    Dude, I loved every bit of this video! I am quite the analytical thinker myself and I absolutely enjoyed your 'labbing' and the way ou broke it down. I would have done it in a similar way probably, but not as thoroughly. I played MK8 on the Wii U and just got MK8D, I never knew Mini Turbos are bound to acceleration. O.O

  • @000marioshi000
    @000marioshi000 Před 2 lety

    Great vid! A good way to (re)learn basic economics concepts in a fun way!

  • @cornbonzo7027
    @cornbonzo7027 Před 2 lety +18

    i love learning about this but my mario kart build is determined almost entirely by style. i'm still gonna use p-wing blue standards with luigi. it looks too good for me to switch off

    • @unnameablename
      @unnameablename Před 2 lety

      Gotta agree. The P-wing may not be the best statistically, but it's great aesthetically.

  • @RubixCubed3
    @RubixCubed3 Před 3 lety +4

    Skill trumps stats every time. Back on wiiu top speed was more important. On switch it’s not as important as miniturbo, which acceleration and handling affect mini turbo, so you should put some focus on those. But having a kart combo the specs in acceleration and handling, and balance it off with a a heavier character like waluigi where he has some speed, it’s no wonder why it’s a popular kart combo. Btw I’m currently developing a website myself for recommending kart combos based on track popularity and top 5 kart combos for those selected tracks with stats averaged out. More on this later. This is a very good app btw.

  • @Kenganhkl
    @Kenganhkl Před rokem

    After years of wanting to jump into Mario Kart 8, I've finally got ahold of a Switch and first thing I did was getting into online races. Thank you very much for sharing your detailed research and the builder! All the best wishes to you!

  • @bencarney6393
    @bencarney6393 Před 2 lety

    Awesome video dude love data science vids like this subscribed!

  • @DoritoTime
    @DoritoTime Před 2 lety +10

    I guess we could then do a pareto with a summation of speed/mini turbo vs. a summation of speed/handling to further narrow the selection. I bet the wifi sweat builds would end up supreme

  • @markflakezCG
    @markflakezCG Před 3 lety +11

    Sure he isn‘t in that game. But Funky Kong will always be the best :)

  • @novaprime2884
    @novaprime2884 Před 2 lety

    I'm only just finding this video, but I like the way that you helped visualize all of this data to determine how good some of these combos are. As a purist that only uses Yoshi/Standard Tires/Standard Glider/Pipe Frame, I appreciate the work you put into this, even if it's to answer a question about a particularly curious occurrence.

  • @yhwhlungs
    @yhwhlungs Před 2 lety

    Hey Bayesic, this video is so well don't nice job! I'd love how you layered your video.

  • @exotic-gem
    @exotic-gem Před 2 lety +3

    Scooty is the best kart IMO, mostly because of the tiny hitbox.

  • @BigEvy
    @BigEvy Před 2 lety +4

    I’m actually upset that waluigi is top tier in Mk8. I played him all the time in MKwii and no one batted an eye save for those who let me know that funky was top. But now when I play waluigi in Mk8 everyone thinks I’m being a try hard.
    I no longer give half a damn , and I just play whatever is fun. I like waluigi on the pipe cart with slicks.

  • @maikybourgeois5086
    @maikybourgeois5086 Před 2 lety

    Thank you really much. I think we all needed that video. You generously lift the veil on hard to access parts of the game. Now we won't choose our build only based on other players, it will be a choice guided by the reason!

  • @TheSeanburke101
    @TheSeanburke101 Před 2 lety

    Awesome video. My roommates and i played a ton together for a few years and would switch around stuff during the first year. Ended up on Dry Bowser, 300 SL Roadster, Roller, and Gold glider. Interesting to see its on the line here.

  • @MikeDaddyMCS
    @MikeDaddyMCS Před 2 lety +5

    So much less drip than Funky Kong with the Flame Runner

  • @xalizkoify
    @xalizkoify Před 3 lety +3

    A long winded way to basically tell people to stop using Waluigi 😊

    • @BlackDragon41sbm
      @BlackDragon41sbm Před 3 lety

      I use Waluigi because he's my favorite character, I don't usually use Wiggler(except on Bowser City) I prefer my bikes much more. So no thanks, I'm not going to stop using Waluigi. 😁

  • @UKPurplePanther
    @UKPurplePanther Před rokem +1

    As a total beginner to gaming, and having chosen Mario Kart 8 Deluxe for my starter.... I am so glad I found Bayesic's channel for tutorials.
    Really great explanations in his videos. Science ---> great minds think alike.
    This chap is worthy of double / treble the amount of subscribers !

  • @AlfredoAlencar
    @AlfredoAlencar Před rokem

    Amazing content. Science will always be the best explanation to everything. Thanks

  • @NotJosh_1
    @NotJosh_1 Před 3 lety +7

    2+2= Waluigi on Mr Scooty with rollers

    • @MasterMario
      @MasterMario Před 3 lety +2

      You know what else is funny? This comment has 4 likes

    • @NotJosh_1
      @NotJosh_1 Před 3 lety +1

      @@MasterMario This made my day

  • @b00psn00t
    @b00psn00t Před 2 lety +3

    The math on the gold kart does not add up for acceleration. Your calculation says 2.75 but the bar on the right says 1.75. 🤔

    • @dakotagrunden5300
      @dakotagrunden5300 Před 2 lety

      he mistyped it. 7/4 (which is what the actual equation is) is 1.75. he just put a 2 on accident

  • @okanko962
    @okanko962 Před 2 lety

    A video well put together!! Well done

  • @JosepiThe13th
    @JosepiThe13th Před 2 lety

    Good video, man. I’ve been trying to find a video that explains why this build is so often considered the best, and now I know why. I’m still gonna use my boy Dry Bowser, but I’m gonna try out the Wiggler combo and see what I think for myself :)

  • @crimson1million
    @crimson1million Před rokem +2

    F

  • @JosephHk743
    @JosephHk743 Před 2 lety

    I always keep coming to this video just because it’s an interesting take on seeing the schematics of a Pareto optimal configuration applied to Mario Kart.

  • @uselessfuse
    @uselessfuse Před 2 lety

    this was really great, did not expect to watch the whole thing

  • @Ellipsis115
    @Ellipsis115 Před rokem +1

    Wow, I will use this maths concept so much from now on! Best earned sub from me in a bloody long time!

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  Před rokem

      Thank you so much! I put a lot of work into this video

  • @Jellyman1129
    @Jellyman1129 Před 2 lety

    Great statistical video, very easy to follow! I use Heavy Mii, Circuit Special, Slick Wheels, and Plane Glider just because I like max speed for the fun of it. I was completely UNAWARE that this was a pareto optimal build until watching this video. I found out my build isn’t just optimal in speed and mini-turbo, but also in acceleration and traction, giving it the highest overall statistical value in the entire game! I’m mostly a Mariokart Wii fan and mostly play 8 Deluxe just for fun, but I had no idea I hit gold with my max speed build. I actually thought it was UNOPTIMIZED because the acceleration and traction is so low, but that’s the highest it’s going to get with my max speed, so it works out! Looking forward to the DLC courses, especially from Wii! 🏁

  • @Buphido
    @Buphido Před 2 lety

    This video got me to actually look up my personal optimal build, so thank you for that! :P

  • @TiaKatt
    @TiaKatt Před 2 lety

    Thanks! I'm a Toadette main generally and I'm now using the only Toadette node on the frontier. So Toadette, Mr. Scooty, Azure Rollers, Parachute or their cosmetic equivalents :) Definitely noticing a difference in miniturbos vs my prior setup now that my game finally unlocked Mr. Scooty for me.

  • @alexsmo3286
    @alexsmo3286 Před 3 lety +1

    Amazing Video! It really made my day!

  • @VadorMK
    @VadorMK Před 3 lety +2

    amazing work, this is so interesting!

  • @isaac_aren
    @isaac_aren Před 2 lety +1

    Another aspect that is important to consider imo is how tight your build can take turns. Some karts and wheels offer different kinds of drifting capabilities. Taking a difficult turn very tightly can make a huge difference

  • @chrishtmusic
    @chrishtmusic Před rokem

    i just took a course in game theory in which we learned about pareto optimality. so cool to see this concept applied to maria kart so elegantly!

  • @NovemberBegin
    @NovemberBegin Před 2 lety

    This is exactly the kind of math I wanted to know about to use to describe my thought process. Thank you!!

  • @munks4548
    @munks4548 Před rokem

    God bless you for providing the link to the shiny. Great analysis

  • @xoxopenquin
    @xoxopenquin Před rokem

    Been trying to get into mariokart as a player who isn’t good and I’m really enjoying your content, just doing this to add support ♥️

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  Před rokem

      Very much appreciated!

  • @carstan62
    @carstan62 Před 2 lety +1

    I was really late to the party for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe because I'd already played quite a bit of Mario Kart 8 on the Wii U. I wasn't aware that they'd changed the mini turbo stat, but that certainly explains why people started using roller wheels instead of the slick wheels they used on the Wii U.

  • @JV-uq9cf
    @JV-uq9cf Před 2 lety

    This is super interesting. I bet there's a few way you could go even further if you wanted:
    1) Have specific Pareto charts for different courses. By considering the percent of time spent drifting during a course, you could weigh the mini-turbo stat more or less compared to the max speed stat when determining Pareto efficiency. The same can go for percent of time spent in anti-grav, underwater, etc. In determining the possible weight of those terrain speed stats too.
    2) I'm curious if you could increase the accuracy of your algorithm by, instead of ignoring the other stats completely, you could weigh them much lower than the speed/mini-turbo stats but still factor them into the equation. If multiple builds lie on the Pareto frontier, then you may as well consider the other stats as tiebreakers.
    3) I'd be really interested in knowing each characters' # of degrees of separation from a Pareto frontier build. E.g. If a character can achieve 100% Pareto efficiency, it'd have 0 degrees of separation, but if the best they could get is 1 dot away from the frontier, they'd be 1 degree of separation away, and so on. That way you could use your data to create a sort of theoretically-objective tier list.

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  Před 2 lety

      Pretty fun ideas. #1 would be super cool but pretty much impossible since optimal baby strategies spend a lot more time drifting than waluigi strategies
      For #2 Pareto frontier stuff generalizes pretty easily to higher dimensions. I just stick with 2 since it’s easier to visualize
      #3 you can kinda do with the app but it’s a bit janky haha
      Thanks for the ideas though :-)

  • @charlieleung2776
    @charlieleung2776 Před rokem

    really insightful, thanks!

  • @rggu-tk7ed
    @rggu-tk7ed Před 2 lety

    thank you very mutch, your videos are infotmarive, interesting and somehow warm

  • @AntoniWroblewski78
    @AntoniWroblewski78 Před 2 lety

    This scratched my applied econ itch! Great video.

  • @matthewrevell9021
    @matthewrevell9021 Před 2 lety

    Thank you I think this video at least slightly changed my views on how to enjoy and play this game better in my own way

  • @HartleySan
    @HartleySan Před 2 lety

    Fascinating! Thanks for sharing.

  • @illkeyLive
    @illkeyLive Před rokem

    Very informative! Very entertaining! Normalize enjoying video games- if that means playing the meta to focus on pure technical skill: AWESOME. If that means playing your favourite character because you enjoy freedom of expression/the way they handle despite their shortcomings: AWESOME.

  • @Nightmare-fe9hr
    @Nightmare-fe9hr Před 2 lety +1

    you could theoretically go even deeper by running simulations of the optimal builds on each track assuming the shortest possible path around the track, but that would be more effort than its worth

    • @Bayesic
      @Bayesic  Před 2 lety

      Yeah haha. I just let the time trailers figure it out xD

  • @gregarayamandelbrot
    @gregarayamandelbrot Před 2 lety +2

    Fellow Data Scientist here, this video is amazing I love it! Found it while I'm coming back due to the DLC, pumped to be playing something new again. Quick Q: Do you know what other kart the master cycle zero is equivalent to?