@@crackheadbiden7269 Naw. Its always been about the money. Conscious rap has always existed but people don't buy that, they buy the shoot em up shht so in turn is what new artists are going to make to get the money.
It's a generational thing, the younger people only care about a beat and a repeatable word or hook. It doesn't matter if the words rhyme or even make sense but I came up on the greatest and I'll die spreading those greats to anyone that hasn't heard them.
People don’t even know what lyrical means anymore. So many people will say “i like this rapper because his flow, punchlines, metaphors, etc…,” i just be like “THATS RAPPING…..” Usually there’s no significance. When i was 12 i dipped my toe BACK into the lyricism side of hip hop and no lie what i favored the MOST out of my playlist of 500+ songs was M.O.P, EPMD headbanga remix w redman, Lupe fiasco (little weapon, etc…,) eminem (apologies, rabbit run, etc..) Joel ortiz tribute to big pun (etc), biggie (gimme the loot, etc…), SO MUCH Masta Ace (disposable arts album, etc…,), Talib kweli- i can literally go ON AND ON, but i’ll stop just so you have A taste of what i listened to at 12 and i still really enjoy these same artists and songs they’re STILL good to me because they were UNIQUE in what they did and they didn’t just do it, they’re voices, they were beyond average couldn’t even confused them A little bit, but now, you HAVE to sound the same so in that sense alone, lyricism is way below par because you don’t have to go too hard on standing out because you must literally stand in the same realm or people will clown you and that’s not even A mystery it’s almost A traditional relationship between artists and fanship. People won’t listen to you sometimes if you sound too fresh you have to have some sort of compromise with your sound to sound like something they know just to resonate and i don’t personally believe that because some of our greatest to this day are one of A kind, but let’s say, Eminem is the greatest so i won’t mention his name, but let’s say crooked i for example- Kendrick is arguably the best of the modern generation of Hip-Hop (lyrically) he’s capable of nearly everything, but in my eyes he can’t even hold the plate that holds the candle to crooked I. He’s dope, but crooked I is 100% unique especially if you talk about how he sounded when he first came in to the game aside his longevity and progress. Not to say kendrick isn’t one of my favorite, but kids will name A bunch of people and kendrick will be like their biggie and j cole will be like their pac and kendrick and cole are nice, but to me, kendrick isn’t all that lyrical i’d rather hear lupe than kendrick and i’d rather hear nas than cole any day.
Streaming platforms are backed by record labels. Labels are the shareholders. It doesn't make business sense for streaming platforms to show you peak lyricism because then the algorithm would have to point you toward independent artists who have the freedom to be that lyrical and own their masters. It's more common among independent artists to own their masters compared to artists signed to a major. Since it's in a streaming platform's best interest to cycle income back to the shareholders (and said shareholders also own the masters most of the time), the algorithm is going to be designed to appease labels regardless of what you search, I'd say. Streaming platforms to me are just labels trying to figure out ways to open up new revenue streams with the same masters that artists relinquished to them via contract. Personally I never used streaming services and built my knowledge for where to look by reading album credits. And by that I mean the booklets that came with CDs. If I liked something, I read the credits and learned the names responsible for what I liked. I've known what to look for and where to look ever since. Nothing can replace doing the legwork, and the price of convenience is always multi-layered. Entrusting music discovery to algorithms crafted by raw payola will only get you so far. Algorithms don't give a damn about you. The public can't know what it wants to hear until after the music graces the ear, and the labels know this. That's the eternal advantage labels have for better or for worse, but by staying up on the research, listeners naturally escape the majors' curated little ecosystems. It calls for legwork on the fans' part, but this is something fans do automatically anyway. It's not a chore to a fan in the way it would be for someone who isn't as enthusiastic about music. To answer the question: I don't know if streaming platforms are proof that lyrical standards and evaluation have changed. Major label presence and payola definitely influence the narrative on lyricism and what's perceived as elite, but for streaming platforms in particular, I believe it's just business. They're out to direct you to songs whose masters are owned by major record labels, because record labels are the shareholders. I doubt it goes any deeper than that, at least on their end. By the time the landscape of lyricism gets affected, everybody's already paid. They juggle the money, we juggle the narrative surrounding lyricism. If the narrative is out of control, the community isn't regulating.
I pray I get to see you spit live atleast once in my life. It's a shame I'm a few decades late to the party.. I always assumed that shit this good would find its way to me. And your brothers got the next generation covered too
Agreed. What with the way media is now abbreviated and entertainment has been stuffed into a business mold, it's a wonder anyone has the attention to actually listen in long enough to even hear a song in its entirety. Short attention span theatre makes for shorter and shorter attention. Not that everyone has ADHD, but the way corporate business is trying compress "natural" living, it's no wonder tiktok and things of this nature generate so much money and attention. Not dating myself, but when was the last time you heard about a group of kids sitting down for hours to dissect an album like back in the days? In general, the pace of modern day life is so accelerated, and saturated with instant gratification, most people probably think making a great song is easy. Lyricism isn't dead and neither is Hip-Hop, but it is bound to continue evolving. For the future's sake, I do hope the new generation to come can realize they need to care for the culture's roots or there will be no more flowers. King, enjoyed the video and also the time you put in your craft. Thank you, and long live Hip-Hop culture!
King Los isn't a battle rapper per say, he's a rapper who's dipped his feet into the battle world - like Cassidy. Los is lyrical as a mfer. Listen to 'don't get in my way', the whole Benz on the arm wordplay is crazy.
You and Em and so many others set a technical lyrical bar high. For me. So each time I’m not punched in the face with feeling and skills at elite level as you say and I don’t feel like I do on your tracks I get a bit disappointed…. Mechanics is off as you said. The skill set for an elite lyrical monster is nearing extinction… I’m fiending to get a boo boo face like I do when I hear a track from you at a mind blowing level.
All I know is you are elite ...absolute legend ....just listened to Debo now you ... very exciting night ...you really are a very talented very intelligent family ..thanku for sharing your gifts much love and God bless always x
Crook, I’m in the same boat man. We’ve got to accept the face that the bar has been lowered for the wordplay, and rap in general. Lyricist is a dying breed and it’s sad to see. Rap going to end up like R&B if it doesn’t get saved. Born in Cali, living in Alabama and wearing my COB hoodie. Keep them bangers coming
Sadly, this doesn’t surprise me. I don’t think the bar has been lowered I just think people are less educated as to what that means/ it’s less appreciated because people “don’t wanna think, they wanna ‘vibe’”.
No you are not tripping, I feel the same way. Whether it's Norwegian or US rap etc, I usually end up going back to my old playlist from the early 2000's or 90's. Once a while I hear something dope but that is always at random , never when I'm searching for new shit. Might just be me getting old, idk.
Born in 1992. Bars these days is being used as lit, flame emoji or 100 so bad search term. Great rappers who re hot now, to me are not the youngest guys but guys around my age or older. The Gibbs, Butchers, Merkules, Snow tha product's. Elite lyricists?: The Kxng Crooks, Ortiz's, Mos Def's Kuniva's, Swifty's Em's Tech N9ne's!!! Just glad these cats still put out cd's!! So agreed!!
Bar been lowered??? That shit on the floor my friend. Took a while but I've now accepted most people just don't know what elite skill is. It's exhausting trying to explain to people what they don't know/understand.
Facts tho!! I agree with you on these searches of playlists!! I remember a few weeks ago you were saying something about not being able to find "hiphop". You said you couldn't find it anywhere. When I wanna hear wordplay I listen to you, Em & Shoe Gang. Yes ... I think the bar has been lowered.
Crook, I just came back from a 20 mile bike ride and I was listening to you And Joell’s new album. 🔥 I also love the beat selection. I have to listen to it multiple times cos it’s hard to catch all your lines in one or two listens. Check out Marqus Clae. I think he’s under master P. He’s a great young lyricist in my opinion.
I AGREE 100% WHOLEHEARTEDLY! BelowAverage/Average TODAY is considered TopShelf. Even tha LowerTier has been lowered. 🤯🤯🤯🤯 Who would have EVER thought...
Crook is spot on. Not saying my list is for all, but when I want bars, it’s Crook, Ras, Kurupt, Joell, the other two ex-Slaughter heads and Defari. As far as technique, EM gets a lot of love from me. Regarding the popular rappers, Pusha T is a + rapper IMO.
I'm definitely with you on that, Crook. I think it has been lowered and I don't like that shit at I but I definitely like the way. That you think and feel about it. Because I love listening to the exact same creative just like you. On everything tho. ✊🏾💯✊🏾🤜🏾🤛🏾✌🏽📚🙏🏼
After thinking about it more, ya def lower, but even when you go back in time and think about the hip hop tsunami of the 90s the Mount Rushmore of that era were amazing story tellers, great writers, amazing replay with tons of classics, but still not super heavy bars where you had unpack layers and metaphors and intricate wordplay. Reasonable Doubt was my favorite Jay album, but you ask the masses and it will probably be Blueprint. The industry figured out even back then pure bop was how to make the most money so even talented lyrists were pushed into the mainstream lane if they wanted to get a max bag. It's just been trending further to the lowest common denominator over time. The best MCs either stay true to the craft and don't chart huge, or they have to dilute their catalog with mainstream. Em was one of the few who was able to pull it off by pulling in mainstream with some wild ish and some radio hits/anthems and 90% would miss 70% of the bars but those songs worked even if they were missed and he would eventually convert a chunk of those casuals into appreciating bars and the intricacies of the craft.
Yessir It’s been lowered Crook, it’s even lowered in podcast bc I saw a podcast called “Lyrical Lounge” but wasn’t any lyricist on it they had Dj Khaled, Lil Durk ect
"Bruiser Wolf" is someone everyone should check out cause his style and punchlines are top tier. "Fat Ray" as well Look up the song "Old faithful" they from Detroit and they down with Danny Brown.
I watched this and went to Spotify and typed in lyrical rap and everything that popped up was what I already listen to . There was a couple of people that were on the list that to me are not lyrical rappers but the majority are rappers like you , EM , Royce , Jay- Z , Kendrick , Tupac , Biggie , OutKast , and so on but none of them were really new new on the scene . It's sad ! I can't even listen to new rap and it's not because I'm stuck in my ways so much that I don't give them a chance . I give several artists over the years chances because I understand music will evolve and I do end up likin the artist and or their music . But today's rap music , I literally feel like I lose brain cells ! It's so bad . There are a couple artists but that's it .
The bar has been lowered in the minds of the people BECAUSE of streaming services. Only short songs, melodically,simple lyrics so artists bend them selves down to get the "recognition", the clicks, they think they deserve. There are probably several other factors that come in to play here but that's definitely one of them. There's still some really lyrical stuff out there but it's becoming a rarity. Peace and much love from Germany!
Daylyt is my favourite rapper of all time. I look at Hip Hop as an outlet to understand my mind and my inability to converse with these zombies we call humans around us. " I been programmed since a baby, when I woke up my whole entire family betrayed me. Own mama said I'm crazy, Daddy said I'm crazy. Both parents be too lazy to read this shit, DO YOU SEE THIS SHIT?!"
Crook what cigar you puffin on my G? When I want to hear what u r searching for Em, Royce, Crook, Big, PAC, NF, Joyner, is my playlist. I am 42 and my ear is only about that fire.
Crook, you’re not stuck in the past fam. Getting a record deal is easy to get now. All you have to do is have a good beat and a catchy hook. There’s still lyricists out there but they’re not as easy to find as they were in the 90s and early 2000s. I’m an older dude and some will probably say I’m still stuck in the past but hey, I love lyricists. The new KRS One album, Black Star album, and your album with Joell, are in heavy rotation in my car. Rome Streetz from Griselda also has a great album. All of Griselda is killing it. Coast Contra is also a group to look into. They’re fire.
Plus they get paid to promote artists to be on a certain playlists and 2nd they are intentionally dumbing the listener down to accept whatever they want to put out
I think the bar hasn’t been lowered, I think the bar has been set so high by previous generations that alot of songs today come off as mid, I also feel like the last generations of rappers didn’t do a good job of teaching the up and coming rappers, my generation is always being trashed for being too soft and really, why would I as a new artist try to prove myself in that aspect if from the beginning I’m labeled as either a mumble rapper or I don’t have the street smarts and I’m not credible enough because I don’t talk about killing and dealing drugs. And also most younger people don’t give a fukk how many syllables I rhyme, it’s almost corny rhyming too many words, and that comes from older rappers setting the bar really high and from the industry and how fast or short new songs need to be released. Rhyming is not a form of art anymore, it’s a contest to see how much shid I can rhyme so nobody else does it.
Anytime I wanna hear bars ect...I have to dig for days I think its more about the internet algorithms,and how ppl can bring more to each outlet youtube,apple music,spotify ect..doesn't matter if it's trash or cash.
You have to dig really deep for elite lyricism in today's time Crook, you're not stuck in the past it's just not what it used to be so to answer your question the bar has definitely been lowered tremendously.
It seems like they have gotten lazy and are just settling for mediocre so called MC's but we know who the real spitters are 🔥🔥. There's a small handful of rapper's trying to carry the torch to keep the craft alive and going 💯
hip hop is being slowly consumed by pop, and pop doesn't care about the technical aspects of a genre, its simply what sounds good to the people at this current time.
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I win because i know of that hats existence. So copping that. Sneaker search next. Back to business. Sir its amazing someone as smart as you is asking rhetorical questions. If ppl really knew lyrics and wanted to hear them slaughterhouses 1st album would be diamond sir
You probably aint gonna see this but i feel the young homie "Asa Jake" deserves a listen. The young pup definitely puts a ton of effort into his craft. anyone who doubts needs to just hear him out. Check him out & tell me what you think
Well before you go to far in your quest… I wonder if your search words are what is throwing you off from the jump😉 What if those platforms are not set up right with those words to find what you are ultimately looking for😉 The point I am trying to poke you with is… what one person considers elite… will never be the same for another person… much less some keywords😉 So trust your ears… and the ears of the Rap connoisseur’s you associate with… they will understand you… search words may not💯😉👋 P.S … Good luck in your search and quest… I hope you find more support than what I find with my quest and questions💯😉👋
Hey Crook ! I had the honor of meeting you a few months back and we got to talk about this for a few minutes. So, Yes it has been downplayed over the years because many can't do it anymore or do it all. I think they're making a lot more off of less. It's like gourmet vs microwavable. I'm beginning to see that in the battle rap community as well. They're downplaying the likes of Mook and Lux when the new comers can't even rap longer than 3 minutes without slipping or stumbling and or needing help from the crowd to help them get it back. That's why many of the favorites faded away during the pandemic when crowds disappeared. I have noticed some mainstream artists use many bars I heard first in battle rap yet I also heard battlers use material from underground rappers like Ransom or RJ Payne. They just take material, rinse reuse and recycle it so no one catches on. Today they consider word association "lyrical". Like Rum Nitty for example.. You could say "I pull up on the side of your whip like a toe truck and leave your body with one hole like a donut" OR "my whips off the hook, no toe truck, bullets SPRINKLE, until you're STRAWBERRY GLAZED, that's a DONUT" and be considered "lyrical" even if they only rhymed 2 syllables and the content is random. They also have the luxury of rapping acapella so their bars can be stretched out to many more syllables from like 15 - 20 and they still don't make use of it by rhyming, just by adding more words that are related to their punch from multiple lexicons. Today, critical thinking is rare and people can't or simply refuse to use their brains and think for themsleves. That's the price we pay for having "information" right at our finger tips. Oh a lot of rappers have also been using rhymezone and simply google for words associated with whatever they're talking about. It's hard to find people under like 30 years old interesting in true lyricism.
We in a different era Crook, most of dudes that even claim to be lyricists today are typically clone copies of someone they grew up listening to. There’s nothing wrong with being inspired but when you don’t develop you’re own “Unique” spin on it, we end up with a bunch of wannabes
I’m going to be straight up, there needs to be more lyricists involved with music curation. Radio practically doesn’t exist anymore, but it was a constant stream of content. Playlists move too slow. I really hope a good DJ makes their way to that podcast/anchor/music space because that done right could set it off for a lyrical renaissance.
It all depends on your take on lyrical. Is it multi syllable rhyme schemes or is it quintuple entendres or is it story telling ability with the raw hitting home feeling that lots of people relate with certain lyrics. I feel like today kids dont know a damn thing and anything that their mates made with autotune mumbles is "fire"
Yeah what dude said Coast Contra check them out they dope asf! But I agree that the bar is low due to narrow minded people liking simple shit because they can't keep up with lyricism or understand it enough to be create like that. Thanks for the Harbor City CD ordered n got mine recently. Dope Project yall check it out!
The bar has been lowered. These cats today are "rapping" not necessarily are "lyricist". You my friend, are an ELITE lyricist!
All this was done on purpose to dumb down the younger generation. King Crooked is one of the best to ever do it. King 👑 YOU ARE NOT TRIPPIN
I’m starting to believe this is true. It has to be.
@@crackheadbiden7269 Naw. Its always been about the money. Conscious rap has always existed but people don't buy that, they buy the shoot em up shht so in turn is what new artists are going to make to get the money.
In the words of a great LYRICSIST " I ain't gon' lie, a lot of this is hard to take.
I'm watchin' 'em praise the okay and overlook the great"
Fans that want to hear bars elite lyricism know not to search for Playlist. They just search for their favorite lyrical artists.
Yo Crook have you checked out the youngins Coast Contra... Would love to hear your take on this group...
I was told just yesterday about them and Tobe Nwigwe 🔥 🔥
Coast Contra will forever be kings.
They’re definitely fire fam
Did y'all know the 2 brothers are the sons of Rass Kass?
@@cyanide52 Damn. I didn’t know that. Thanks for the info fam.
It's a generational thing, the younger people only care about a beat and a repeatable word or hook. It doesn't matter if the words rhyme or even make sense but I came up on the greatest and I'll die spreading those greats to anyone that hasn't heard them.
People don’t even know what lyrical means anymore. So many people will say “i like this rapper because his flow, punchlines, metaphors, etc…,” i just be like “THATS RAPPING…..” Usually there’s no significance. When i was 12 i dipped my toe BACK into the lyricism side of hip hop and no lie what i favored the MOST out of my playlist of 500+ songs was M.O.P, EPMD headbanga remix w redman, Lupe fiasco (little weapon, etc…,) eminem (apologies, rabbit run, etc..) Joel ortiz tribute to big pun (etc), biggie (gimme the loot, etc…), SO MUCH Masta Ace (disposable arts album, etc…,), Talib kweli- i can literally go ON AND ON, but i’ll stop just so you have A taste of what i listened to at 12 and i still really enjoy these same artists and songs they’re STILL good to me because they were UNIQUE in what they did and they didn’t just do it, they’re voices, they were beyond average couldn’t even confused them A little bit, but now, you HAVE to sound the same so in that sense alone, lyricism is way below par because you don’t have to go too hard on standing out because you must literally stand in the same realm or people will clown you and that’s not even A mystery it’s almost A traditional relationship between artists and fanship. People won’t listen to you sometimes if you sound too fresh you have to have some sort of compromise with your sound to sound like something they know just to resonate and i don’t personally believe that because some of our greatest to this day are one of A kind, but let’s say, Eminem is the greatest so i won’t mention his name, but let’s say crooked i for example- Kendrick is arguably the best of the modern generation of Hip-Hop (lyrically) he’s capable of nearly everything, but in my eyes he can’t even hold the plate that holds the candle to crooked I. He’s dope, but crooked I is 100% unique especially if you talk about how he sounded when he first came in to the game aside his longevity and progress. Not to say kendrick isn’t one of my favorite, but kids will name A bunch of people and kendrick will be like their biggie and j cole will be like their pac and kendrick and cole are nice, but to me, kendrick isn’t all that lyrical i’d rather hear lupe than kendrick and i’d rather hear nas than cole any day.
For real this is true Nas And Crooked are Legendary
You aren't trippin' bro, just spittin'
Streaming platforms are backed by record labels. Labels are the shareholders. It doesn't make business sense for streaming platforms to show you peak lyricism because then the algorithm would have to point you toward independent artists who have the freedom to be that lyrical and own their masters. It's more common among independent artists to own their masters compared to artists signed to a major.
Since it's in a streaming platform's best interest to cycle income back to the shareholders (and said shareholders also own the masters most of the time), the algorithm is going to be designed to appease labels regardless of what you search, I'd say. Streaming platforms to me are just labels trying to figure out ways to open up new revenue streams with the same masters that artists relinquished to them via contract. Personally I never used streaming services and built my knowledge for where to look by reading album credits. And by that I mean the booklets that came with CDs. If I liked something, I read the credits and learned the names responsible for what I liked. I've known what to look for and where to look ever since. Nothing can replace doing the legwork, and the price of convenience is always multi-layered. Entrusting music discovery to algorithms crafted by raw payola will only get you so far. Algorithms don't give a damn about you.
The public can't know what it wants to hear until after the music graces the ear, and the labels know this. That's the eternal advantage labels have for better or for worse, but by staying up on the research, listeners naturally escape the majors' curated little ecosystems. It calls for legwork on the fans' part, but this is something fans do automatically anyway. It's not a chore to a fan in the way it would be for someone who isn't as enthusiastic about music.
To answer the question: I don't know if streaming platforms are proof that lyrical standards and evaluation have changed. Major label presence and payola definitely influence the narrative on lyricism and what's perceived as elite, but for streaming platforms in particular, I believe it's just business. They're out to direct you to songs whose masters are owned by major record labels, because record labels are the shareholders. I doubt it goes any deeper than that, at least on their end. By the time the landscape of lyricism gets affected, everybody's already paid. They juggle the money, we juggle the narrative surrounding lyricism. If the narrative is out of control, the community isn't regulating.
Coast contra hands down, this generations saviors!!
bro you are elite lyricism 👌🏻
I pray I get to see you spit live atleast once in my life. It's a shame I'm a few decades late to the party.. I always assumed that shit this good would find its way to me.
And your brothers got the next generation covered too
Agreed. What with the way media is now abbreviated and entertainment has been stuffed into a business mold, it's a wonder anyone has the attention to actually listen in long enough to even hear a song in its entirety. Short attention span theatre makes for shorter and shorter attention. Not that everyone has ADHD, but the way corporate business is trying compress "natural" living, it's no wonder tiktok and things of this nature generate so much money and attention. Not dating myself, but when was the last time you heard about a group of kids sitting down for hours to dissect an album like back in the days? In general, the pace of modern day life is so accelerated, and saturated with instant gratification, most people probably think making a great song is easy. Lyricism isn't dead and neither is Hip-Hop, but it is bound to continue evolving. For the future's sake, I do hope the new generation to come can realize they need to care for the culture's roots or there will be no more flowers. King, enjoyed the video and also the time you put in your craft. Thank you, and long live Hip-Hop culture!
Corporate clowns taught the crowd to love lyrics that's watered down
Bought the sound then toss the crown to pawns crawling across the ground
I’ve been listening to a lot of King Los lately and I think he’s pretty damn lyrical
Right, he's a (former?) battle rapper. As Crook said, anyone of consequence in that corner of the rap world stays sharp out of necessity.
King Los isn't a battle rapper per say, he's a rapper who's dipped his feet into the battle world - like Cassidy. Los is lyrical as a mfer. Listen to 'don't get in my way', the whole Benz on the arm wordplay is crazy.
You and Em and so many others set a technical lyrical bar high. For me. So each time I’m not punched in the face with feeling and skills at elite level as you say and I don’t feel like I do on your tracks I get a bit disappointed…. Mechanics is off as you said. The skill set for an elite lyrical monster is nearing extinction… I’m fiending to get a boo boo face like I do when I hear a track from you at a mind blowing level.
All I know is you are elite ...absolute legend ....just listened to Debo now you ... very exciting night ...you really are a very talented very intelligent family ..thanku for sharing your gifts much love and God bless always x
Crook, I’m in the same boat man. We’ve got to accept the face that the bar has been lowered for the wordplay, and rap in general. Lyricist is a dying breed and it’s sad to see. Rap going to end up like R&B if it doesn’t get saved. Born in Cali, living in Alabama and wearing my COB hoodie. Keep them bangers coming
Sadly, this doesn’t surprise me.
I don’t think the bar has been lowered I just think people are less educated as to what that means/ it’s less appreciated because people “don’t wanna think, they wanna ‘vibe’”.
Exactly
Or they want dope rapping and good music and enjoy it without having to give themselves a headache trying to understand it.
No you are not tripping, I feel the same way. Whether it's Norwegian or US rap etc, I usually end up going back to my old playlist from the early 2000's or 90's. Once a while I hear something dope but that is always at random , never when I'm searching for new shit. Might just be me getting old, idk.
Born in 1992. Bars these days is being used as lit, flame emoji or 100 so bad search term. Great rappers who re hot now, to me are not the youngest guys but guys around my age or older. The Gibbs, Butchers, Merkules, Snow tha product's.
Elite lyricists?: The Kxng Crooks, Ortiz's, Mos Def's Kuniva's, Swifty's Em's Tech N9ne's!!! Just glad these cats still put out cd's!! So agreed!!
Story of my life.
I'm critical as hell.
Even with my favorites.
Bro you just way to good that's all. It's time to take um to school crook.✊
Lyricism is the "Stepson's in HIPHOP"
That Dead Body track will Joel has been on my boom box everyday since release.. keep up the good work fella
Bar been lowered??? That shit on the floor my friend. Took a while but I've now accepted most people just don't know what elite skill is. It's exhausting trying to explain to people what they don't know/understand.
I listen to shoegang all day..that’s where I get my daily dose of lyrical
Facts tho!! I agree with you on these searches of playlists!! I remember a few weeks ago you were saying something about not being able to find "hiphop". You said you couldn't find it anywhere. When I wanna hear wordplay I listen to you, Em & Shoe Gang. Yes ... I think the bar has been lowered.
You ain't tripping crook it is a problem
Crook turning into the grumpy oldtimer
Mos Def the bar has been lowered.. they can't hang with yall
Yep! You are the only one I swear! You and Ortiz and the shoe gang. That's it for me
The youth think mumble rap is elite..
Cooked YOU ARE elite
Always have been
Crook, I just came back from a 20 mile bike ride and I was listening to you And Joell’s new album. 🔥 I also love the beat selection. I have to listen to it multiple times cos it’s hard to catch all your lines in one or two listens.
Check out Marqus Clae. I think he’s under master P. He’s a great young lyricist in my opinion.
I AGREE 100% WHOLEHEARTEDLY!
BelowAverage/Average TODAY is considered TopShelf.
Even tha LowerTier has been lowered.
🤯🤯🤯🤯
Who would have EVER thought...
Crook is spot on. Not saying my list is for all, but when I want bars, it’s Crook, Ras, Kurupt, Joell, the other two ex-Slaughter heads and Defari. As far as technique, EM gets a lot of love from me. Regarding the popular rappers, Pusha T is a + rapper IMO.
Cambatta & Vega7theRonin are crazy ill technical Bar spitters! 📝🔥
As well as myself 😏💯
Aye crook stay on CZcams we here for you. If you can do an hour a day. We can get a Daily minute or two. Salute
That kind of skill ,the kinda skill that you and Joel, Iso and all my favourite rappas got, has to be earned not learned. You a King dawg🦁
I'm definitely with you on that, Crook. I think it has been lowered and I don't like that shit at I but I definitely like the way. That you think and feel about it. Because I love listening to the exact same creative just like you. On everything tho. ✊🏾💯✊🏾🤜🏾🤛🏾✌🏽📚🙏🏼
WTFIGOH… you already said it King.
After thinking about it more, ya def lower, but even when you go back in time and think about the hip hop tsunami of the 90s the Mount Rushmore of that era were amazing story tellers, great writers, amazing replay with tons of classics, but still not super heavy bars where you had unpack layers and metaphors and intricate wordplay. Reasonable Doubt was my favorite Jay album, but you ask the masses and it will probably be Blueprint. The industry figured out even back then pure bop was how to make the most money so even talented lyrists were pushed into the mainstream lane if they wanted to get a max bag. It's just been trending further to the lowest common denominator over time. The best MCs either stay true to the craft and don't chart huge, or they have to dilute their catalog with mainstream. Em was one of the few who was able to pull it off by pulling in mainstream with some wild ish and some radio hits/anthems and 90% would miss 70% of the bars but those songs worked even if they were missed and he would eventually convert a chunk of those casuals into appreciating bars and the intricacies of the craft.
Short answer: Yes, it has.
Yessir It’s been lowered Crook, it’s even lowered in podcast bc I saw a podcast called “Lyrical Lounge” but wasn’t any lyricist on it they had Dj Khaled, Lil Durk ect
"Bruiser Wolf" is someone everyone should check out cause his style and punchlines are top tier. "Fat Ray" as well
Look up the song "Old faithful" they from Detroit and they down with Danny Brown.
Locksmith is goat level 🔥
I watched this and went to Spotify and typed in lyrical rap and everything that popped up was what I already listen to . There was a couple of people that were on the list that to me are not lyrical rappers but the majority are rappers like you , EM , Royce , Jay- Z , Kendrick , Tupac , Biggie , OutKast , and so on but none of them were really new new on the scene . It's sad ! I can't even listen to new rap and it's not because I'm stuck in my ways so much that I don't give them a chance . I give several artists over the years chances because I understand music will evolve and I do end up likin the artist and or their music . But today's rap music , I literally feel like I lose brain cells ! It's so bad . There are a couple artists but that's it .
How to get my heart on my sleeve is thus question
Hell naw you you ain't tripping cooked! I'm stuck on the past ass well. They don't even rap anymore!
The bar has been lowered in the minds of the people BECAUSE of streaming services.
Only short songs, melodically,simple lyrics so artists bend them selves down to get the "recognition", the clicks, they think they deserve.
There are probably several other factors that come in to play here but that's definitely one of them.
There's still some really lyrical stuff out there but it's becoming a rarity.
Peace and much love from Germany!
K.a.a.n.and king iso be killin shit!
They dont know cuz they can not pick out all the bars unless someone shows you. These kids need to catch up. They are not informed.
Daylyt is my favourite rapper of all time. I look at Hip Hop as an outlet to understand my mind and my inability to converse with these zombies we call humans around us.
" I been programmed since a baby, when I woke up my whole entire family betrayed me.
Own mama said I'm crazy,
Daddy said I'm crazy.
Both parents be too lazy to read this shit,
DO YOU SEE THIS SHIT?!"
Crook what cigar you puffin on my G? When I want to hear what u r searching for Em, Royce, Crook, Big, PAC, NF, Joyner, is my playlist. I am 42 and my ear is only about that fire.
Crook, you’re not stuck in the past fam. Getting a record deal is easy to get now. All you have to do is have a good beat and a catchy hook. There’s still lyricists out there but they’re not as easy to find as they were in the 90s and early 2000s. I’m an older dude and some will probably say I’m still stuck in the past but hey, I love lyricists. The new KRS One album, Black Star album, and your album with Joell, are in heavy rotation in my car. Rome Streetz from Griselda also has a great album. All of Griselda is killing it. Coast Contra is also a group to look into. They’re fire.
I also think a lot of the people behind these platforms can’t tell the difference “rap is rap”… so they can’t distinguish.
Plus they get paid to promote artists to be on a certain playlists and 2nd they are intentionally dumbing the listener down to accept whatever they want to put out
I think the bar hasn’t been lowered, I think the bar has been set so high by previous generations that alot of songs today come off as mid, I also feel like the last generations of rappers didn’t do a good job of teaching the up and coming rappers, my generation is always being trashed for being too soft and really, why would I as a new artist try to prove myself in that aspect if from the beginning I’m labeled as either a mumble rapper or I don’t have the street smarts and I’m not credible enough because I don’t talk about killing and dealing drugs. And also most younger people don’t give a fukk how many syllables I rhyme, it’s almost corny rhyming too many words, and that comes from older rappers setting the bar really high and from the industry and how fast or short new songs need to be released.
Rhyming is not a form of art anymore, it’s a contest to see how much shid I can rhyme so nobody else does it.
Anytime I wanna hear bars ect...I have to dig for days I think its more about the internet algorithms,and how ppl can bring more to each outlet youtube,apple music,spotify ect..doesn't matter if it's trash or cash.
Crook, the bar has most DEFINITELY been lowered.
You have to dig really deep for elite lyricism in today's time Crook, you're not stuck in the past it's just not what it used to be so to answer your question the bar has definitely been lowered tremendously.
It seems like they have gotten lazy and are just settling for mediocre so called MC's but we know who the real spitters are 🔥🔥. There's a small handful of rapper's trying to carry the torch to keep the craft alive and going 💯
U.K. man named "Asa" is dope asf...
To me the only elite lyricists are in and around battle rap today
hip hop is being slowly consumed by pop, and pop doesn't care about the technical aspects of a genre, its simply what sounds good to the people at this current time.
Telling truth I have stopped paying attention to today's music only listen to old school
1. Love - undefined/unrefined. Eternal without definition
2. Sacrifice - If you love, then you are without self
3. Forgiveness - Those who scar you, only did, because they were close eighth to do so. Love them, forgive them
4. Loyalty - It is hard to trust, do not do so lightly. Yet never take their presence in vain
5. Truth - Above all else seek truth. For you will never be lead astray.
Rah Digga says #lyricsmatter ✌️♥️🇦🇺
Yo crook when we gonna see 2 kings on one track? You and king iso would be a dope ass duo
I win because i know of that hats existence. So copping that. Sneaker search next. Back to business. Sir its amazing someone as smart as you is asking rhetorical questions. If ppl really knew lyrics and wanted to hear them slaughterhouses 1st album would be diamond sir
That's what they think😂
Yes, they think those average guys are lyrical
The bar has definitely been lowered
You probably aint gonna see this but i feel the young homie "Asa Jake" deserves a listen. The young pup definitely puts a ton of effort into his craft. anyone who doubts needs to just hear him out. Check him out & tell me what you think
Coast Shoe Gang….Get Familiar🤔🤔🤔🤔
Well before you go to far in your quest… I wonder if your search words are what is throwing you off from the jump😉
What if those platforms are not set up right with those words to find what you are ultimately looking for😉
The point I am trying to poke you with is…
what one person considers elite… will never be the same for another person… much less some keywords😉
So trust your ears… and the ears of the Rap connoisseur’s you associate with… they will understand you… search words may not💯😉👋
P.S … Good luck in your search and quest… I hope you find more support than what I find with my quest and questions💯😉👋
Still in the making
You right
KR$ - Forever
You should check out Coast Contra if you want to hear lyrical bars!! These young cats be gassing
Hey Crook ! I had the honor of meeting you a few months back and we got to talk about this for a few minutes. So, Yes it has been downplayed over the years because many can't do it anymore or do it all. I think they're making a lot more off of less. It's like gourmet vs microwavable. I'm beginning to see that in the battle rap community as well. They're downplaying the likes of Mook and Lux when the new comers can't even rap longer than 3 minutes without slipping or stumbling and or needing help from the crowd to help them get it back. That's why many of the favorites faded away during the pandemic when crowds disappeared. I have noticed some mainstream artists use many bars I heard first in battle rap yet I also heard battlers use material from underground rappers like Ransom or RJ Payne. They just take material, rinse reuse and recycle it so no one catches on. Today they consider word association "lyrical". Like Rum Nitty for example.. You could say "I pull up on the side of your whip like a toe truck and leave your body with one hole like a donut" OR "my whips off the hook, no toe truck, bullets SPRINKLE, until you're STRAWBERRY GLAZED, that's a DONUT" and be considered "lyrical" even if they only rhymed 2 syllables and the content is random. They also have the luxury of rapping acapella so their bars can be stretched out to many more syllables from like 15 - 20 and they still don't make use of it by rhyming, just by adding more words that are related to their punch from multiple lexicons. Today, critical thinking is rare and people can't or simply refuse to use their brains and think for themsleves. That's the price we pay for having "information" right at our finger tips. Oh a lot of rappers have also been using rhymezone and simply google for words associated with whatever they're talking about. It's hard to find people under like 30 years old interesting in true lyricism.
We in a different era Crook, most of dudes that even claim to be lyricists today are typically clone copies of someone they grew up listening to. There’s nothing wrong with being inspired but when you don’t develop you’re own “Unique” spin on it, we end up with a bunch of wannabes
It’s all about Coast Contra
I’m going to be straight up, there needs to be more lyricists involved with music curation. Radio practically doesn’t exist anymore, but it was a constant stream of content. Playlists move too slow. I really hope a good DJ makes their way to that podcast/anchor/music space because that done right could set it off for a lyrical renaissance.
Goat
No you not trippin … That’s why when we get a unicorn we best value him or her but yeah the bar of bars been lowered. No you not stuck.
It all depends on your take on lyrical. Is it multi syllable rhyme schemes or is it quintuple entendres or is it story telling ability with the raw hitting home feeling that lots of people relate with certain lyrics. I feel like today kids dont know a damn thing and anything that their mates made with autotune mumbles is "fire"
Bar been lowered for a minute.
The bar has lowered
I'll say, Symba's new album is dope! Lyrical. Cadence and flows. Storytelling. All dope, especially for a newcomer.
Aesop rock is the definition of lyrical
Aesop's also been doing it for ~20 years - Crook is asking about newer rappers
Vinnie Paz. Black Thought. Cyhi the Prince. Joyner Lucas.
Milly 95 is pretty good.
To quote your former group mate, They ain’t checkin the boxes big homie. You ain’t wrong in the least.
JID, SMINO, GRIP....
Yeah what dude said Coast Contra check them out they dope asf! But I agree that the bar is low due to narrow minded people liking simple shit because they can't keep up with lyricism or understand it enough to be create like that. Thanks for the Harbor City CD ordered n got mine recently. Dope Project yall check it out!
Yes Crook. The bars have been lowered.
Thought skipped on thought
Yes Kxng there is very few Barbarians ssuutt2x
Oh yeah coast contra are ill crook 😎
5 minutes beating around the bush.