Did Noah Actually Bring MORE than Two of Each Animal on the Ark?
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- In Genesis 7:2-3, God tells Noah, “Take with you seven pairs of all clean animals, the male and his mate, and a pair of the animals that are not clean, the male and his mate, and seven pairs of the birds of the heavens also, male and female, to keep their offspring alive on the face of all the earth.” In this video, Tim Chaffey gives his perspective on whether or not Noah had to bring more than two of each animal on the ark.
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Thanks for discussing this question
Noah’s flood is a myth.
This is a great study on the subject. Thank you for posting this.
Interesting!
6 + 1 = 7
Based on my life on the farm, I'd like to suggest the premise of 1 male and 6 females. For example, 1 ram and 6 ewes. A good ratio for increasing the herd, the flock, as applicable.
That was the first thing I thought of also, herd animals.
Plus with that starting ratio those numbers would grow fast and allow for berth/life losses.
I am a serious preacher of the Gospel. Jesus said, he always taught in parables (St. Mark 4:33-34). Must I believe that his stories have to be history? Absolutely not. The story of the “Prodigal” is a parable, as well as others. Should it be cast away? Absolutely not. Your fanatical effort to make every Bible story in the Old Testament, history is causing many to cast away the messages that God is teaching in His “Word”. Your effort to say that “kind” refers to species as example antelope, is absurd. There are least 90 different species of antelope. The rabbit size ( Royal Antelope) and the (Eland which is over 2000 pounds). And remember you do not believe in evolution. And what did over 8 million species ( a million and half animal types ) eat? One grown elephant needs 300 pounds of vegetables every day to survive. How many pounds of bailed (compacted hay ) to last over 200 days would that be? Much more than the ark would hold. Now consider the hundreds of plant eaters. My friends, your efforts to turn allegory into history is turning many serious thinking souls into atheists. That is very sad. The more you insist, the more absurd you become. Keep going and you may come to understand that God uses all kinds of literature to convey his truth. The Old Testament is very important and helpful. But may we understand that it is in the vain of parables as Jesus taught. Humanity of every generation may digest its teaching about faith and life. The Bible is not a book of biology. No it is book of “Faith”. may we receive it as the instruction of God for life and Salvation"
@@EvangelistDonClark I'm sorry, but I cannot take you seriously. Just as Jesus didn't take the Pharisees "preaching" seriously.
Next you said: " *Your fanatical effort* to make every Bible story in the Old Testament ... "
A "serious preacher" should not assume he knows the total beliefs of another individual based on 3 complete sentences, on a specific topic, by that individual, in a YT comment..
Next, my foolish ranter, Biblically KIND refers to Order/Family/Genus (as applicable), not to individual species within a kind. Generally individual species, within KINDS can breed with each other. Male and female members of different kinds do not produce offspring.
The representative of the Canine kind was likely a wolf. That animal had all the DNA needed to produce the 100 or so species of dogs, from Toy Poodles to Great Danes.
Next, please tell me where the Bible states that full grown elephants were taken aboard the ark. It is quite likely that the representatives of the Order Proboscidea were just old enough to survive without their mother's milk when they boarded the ark.
You said "The more you insist, the more absurd you become. Keep going and you may come to understand that God uses all kinds of literature to convey his truth."
Yes, even in my absurdity I know the literary forms vary to meet the authors objectives, within passages of scripture. (40 authors directed by God). I also know that Pro 2:3-6 and 2 Tim 2:15 aren't parables.
Pro 2:3-6 KJV - 3 Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, [and] liftest up thy voice for understanding; 4 If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as [for] hid treasures; 5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God. 6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth [cometh] knowledge and understanding.
2Ti 2:15 KJV - 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Continuing ....
If Genesis 3:15 is a parable, then do you consider John 3:16 to be a parable, that only some can understand? (Matthew 13:10-12) Or was John 3:16 written that all who read it can consider it to be actual fact?
PS: "The Bible is not a book of biology."
Biology is the study of life. The Bible is also the study of life. (Think about it, preacher.) Your use of the word KIND is a biological reference!
@@oldtimerlee8820, Don Clark is correct. The only way the flood story makes sense is as a a metaphor. The “kinds” explanation is ridiculous. One kind cannot produce numerous species overnight. In most cases if not all, different species in your “kind” either cannot interbreed or do not produce fertile offspring. Creationists love to use dog breeds as an example but they are all the same species. That explains nothing as far as the diversification of species. “Only young animals” is just the one size fits all approach doesn’t work either. Many animal species are full grown in a year or less and others need one or both parents until nearly full grown. Also ridiculous is the claim that they hibernated, were all vegetarians, etc. The ark itself was an impossibility. 4 men could not build something that huge and creationist have to invent more and more scenarios to explain it. “Their relatives helped, they hired people, they had 150 years to build it”. The fact is a wooden boat that size is structurally impossible then and even now.
@@davidgardner863 You said: "The “kinds” explanation is ridiculous. One kind cannot produce numerous species overnight."
A skilled debater doesn't have to rely on terms such as "ridiculous" to make his or her point. *It's a cheap shot and you know it* .
Next, I don't know of anyone, evolutionist or creationist who believes your "overnight" comment. Did you pull it out of thin air? If not, please give your credible reference.
New species emerge and thrive or go extinct over generations of time. For proof, take a look at the low frequency that new breeds are added to the major dog shows.
Would you rather I use fruit flies which have been the basis for untold numbers of genetic studies for countless generations. Regardless of the variations encountered, they are still fruit flies. I can also use Darwin's analysis of bird beaks to show variation of species within kinds, if you prefer.
Next. My comment was in direct response to his example of an elephant. I did not say it was a "one size fits all". Again, another cheap debate tactic. Accusing someone with a different viewpoint of saying what they didn't say. Some people might say that you are lying.
Plus: Plain old common sense of the average person, would understand that various aspects of animal accommodations would vary by KIND. A female mouse, 2 months old, can breed. ie she is an adult as it relates to this conversation. Look up how long it takes an elephant (by species) to achieve that milestone in life. Accommodations for a pair(s) of mice would certainly be different than it would be for juvenile elephants. Especially if the mice offspring are used for protein for carnivores that would have been on the ark.
I have not claimed that all animals hibernated, were vegetarians, etc. Again, it depends on the KIND. Some birds (Aves) hibernate, some migrate and others simple adapt to seasonal changes. Foxes, sheep, domesticated chickens are a few examples of warm blooded animals that do not hibernate. BTW, many meat eating animals also eat plant life (omnivorous) . Bears are a good example. About 70% of their diet is non-meat. Yet they do eat deer, fish, birds and other mammals when they have the opportunity. Can a bear survive for a short period of time (relatively speaking) without eating flesh? Can humans? 🙂
Your last statement was perfect in projecting your failure to defend your position.
You Said: Quote: *The fact is a wooden boat that size is structurally impossible then and even now* .
Quote: Wikipedia "Wyoming was an American wooden six-masted schooner built and completed in 1909 by the firm of Percy & Small in Bath, Maine. With a length of 450 ft from jib-boom tip to spanker boom tip, Wyoming was the largest known wooden ship ever built. "
The ark is estimated to be 450' long. 🙂
How did God preserve PLANT life during the Flood? Hope you'll consider doing a video on that topic.
#1 taking plants on the Ark #2 there is plant 🪴 life underwater in the oceans right now. Plants growing again were no problem.
Seeds for starters.
Seed food sources, especially grains, for people and animals, along with possibly some for replanting, would have been on the ark. Dried fruits with their seeds and nuts are 2 more examples.
Additionally, many seeds float. Coconuts are good examples that spread around the world as a result of the flood.
After the flood, animal digestive tracts are another way seeds are spread. A way that wildlife still sows seeds today.
Many types of seeds would have been mixed with the flood water, sediment and debris that was spread across the lands.
Plants that normally grow in water, would have survived. Remember the destruction was for land dwellers with the breath of life.
And, land dwelling plants would have been caught up in rafts of debris that floated on the flood waters. Do note that trees are still floating in Spirit Lake, long after St Helen's erupted. Today, there are also huge plant mats floating on lakes, where winter temperatures will allow, in many places in the world.
Many plants can come from one by rooting cuttings. There's a long list of food plants that can be done this way. My mother grew scores of plants from cuttings she received from friends and family. The world, at the end of the flood, wouldn't have needed many plants, initially, to feed the life on earth. As the population grew, so did the plants needed to sustain that growth.
And, probably most important PLANT life could have been re-established by the hand of God, without any effort by life upon the ark.
It is well known that all land plants, seed and plants, die forever after being under water for a month.
@@oreally8605, Sure, I suppose plants from all over the world walked to the ark. Did you ever see a marine cactus? Even marine plants would have died. Even today corals are dying do to warming ocean water. Plants require specific temperature ranges, soil conditions, watering, etc. The same applies to marine plants plus salinity. A worldwide flood heated by tectonic activity would kill krill which are the bottom of the food chain affecting all higher forms of life. The whole flood story is impossible if taken literally.
@@davidgardner863 God controls the whole universe! You think God can’t do that
Hmm, a very rambling answer. How about determining what is actually a clean animal? Or pointing out that it was known from the very beginning of creation what clean and unclean was? How that has never changed?
Really? Where in the Bible does it list the standards for “clean and unclean” animals prior to the flood?
As always, good stuff!
HOW MANY elephants did the T Rexes eat every day?
Yeh, bit tricky. Over 300 days at sea. Everything would have died.
7 pairs seems more likely when the ark was way bigger than our 300 cubits today. Noah was probably like 10-12 feet tall. 7 pairs of ckean animals and 1 pair of unclean animals. That means: Feline or K9 - 7 pairs of clean feline cats/ 14 cats and 1 pair of dirty cats/ 2 cats. That means Noah had 16 cats on the ark. He had 16 bears, 16 crocodile babies, 16 rams, sheep, goats, cows, rodents, snakes, insects, 16 pairs of birds or even more depending on their kind; like penguin, dove, hawk, parrot, flsmingo, owls..etc.
I wonder how many cell towers they would’ve needed? Maybe you should think about what’s happening in your life right now… Motorola was let by the government to do their own research and data when the first cell towers were put up. Do you think that they had the right number of how many cell towers they would be putting up and the radiation that that would cause? That’s what you should really be worried about, Lol. Things the government is doing to us… not how many animals some guy wrote in a book was going to save the world. Are we not destroying those animals one by one today? That’s why I come on here for the laughs! Much love
For all those who are questioning the story...... God did it..... Duhhhhh
How big should his ship be to accomodate all the species on earth ?
So ridiculous! Even today with mass transportation it would take a person months, if not years to collect two of every species and I'm not even counting birds and insects. Imagine back then with no real transportation except by horse on land or boat by water, how long it would take, if even possible at all, who's getting the penguins?? Then you have to store all the animals before and during the flood? You have any idea how much food and water that would take? Oh and you where are they going to the bathroom at? Lastly once the flood recedes, all the salt water would have killed all vegetation, so what do the animals eat, besides each other, of course.
You have much more patience than I do, with Bible thumpers. And yes, they need an elementary explanations… thank you again.
Much Love
And what difference does it make now.
Genesis 6 and 7 bring contradicting information about that.
Very Good!... #48 ✝ {9-5-2023}
Who wrote the story of Noah's ark? Everybody was wiped out. 🤔
answersingenesis.org/bible-characters/moses/does-it-really-matter-if-moses-wrote-genesis/
@arkencounter "This is yet another example of the tragic results of compromising God’s Word with the fallible and ever-changing ideas of man." But Moses was a man, and so were all of the other people who wrote about Jesus and god. What makes you believe them when they say god "inspired" them to write any of this stuff?
Noah wasn’t wiped out. 🙂 He may have brought records with him, or even wrote them himself, which Moses then later used as a resource for writing Genesis.
Maybe Noah kept a diary? He counted the days but forgot cos he was old.
The flood didn't reach Australia.
Everybody there and the wildlife didn't see the flood.
So the koalas and kangaroos were OK. Just goats and sheep were on the Ark.
Noah floated out on the ark he made
He was not wiped out
How do clean and unclean animals occur early in Genesis but are not specified as such until the dietary laws were established? Did Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, et al eat both kinds? Was that permissible until the law was given and then forbidden. Or is the distinction a reflection of the law superimposed on the Genesis account to reflect a later bias?
The law stood from the very Creation, they were aware from the beginning what clean and unclean were, and even Noah knew.
How'd you get your handle to just be a dot and no @ sign?🤔 Are you god????
Somehow pigs survived the flood - Don't know how.
Dressed in sheep skin I suppose.
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Yes, we can be confident that His word is true! And that He didn’t mislead or obfuscate, or leave Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David… in the dark regarding where they live. Which they all describe in detail as not being this. 🌎
Unless we choose to believe that He did allow them to be deceived, and now in this late age, we’ve been given special revelation that contradicts the Word and the understanding of the patriarchs who walked with the Father.
It was either them, or it’s us. Who is more likely deceived?
Noah's Ark isn't meant to be taken literally. It's a myth that attempts to tell the story of our origins. It was later Christians who did a disservice to the Bible by trying to make them literal stories. Pretty much all of Genesis 1-11 isn't literal but rather myth
I don’t think it’s absolute that they were grown? Maybe babies because God had created them.
Ok I'll give you access to fly around the world, how long with today's planes do you think it would take you? I bet it would take you months, possibly years to complete. So how did Noah travel around the world collecting them? Do you really expect people to believe that? Do you think everyone has no common sense? It's so outrageous, to believe at that time in history Noah was racing around the globe collecting two of every species! I mean that makes Santa Clause look totally plausible.
And people really believe this Fairy tale story
They loaded 7 pairs of the clean animals,2 pairs of the unclean,the animals were babies,except the birds,that were for food.And no dinosaurs,except ones that live in the water.And decides all that God is God the creator,that's what He does.So Noah just participated in the scenario.He collected the animals God instructed him to gather,but after the flood,God Himself repopulated the earth with new animals He created.So you don't think God who created all of them to begin with,can't do it again? Dream on,that's exactly what He did,there is scripture that says God still creates even today in secret.
He could have done it that way, no one said He couldn’t. But the Bible doesn’t say He did do it that way. I could invent all sorts of “what if’s” that God is able to do, but I look to the Bible to find out what He actually did.
ha ha ha - what crap.
@@howdydoodey3872 ha ha look in the mirror,you see what God calls a fool,that's one despite all the evidence,rejects God and His Son.dooming them to an eternity without hope.
No God, no Ark, no flood - just man made fairy tales vs Reality.
They won't quit playing make believe until they face up to their fears.
You are insane
I don't know a single person who believes this story.
You’re fortunate. I grew up in the Seventh-Day Adventist cult and know far too many who do.
That doesn’t mean it’s untrue. There are plenty of things which we know to be true now, which at some point in the past no one (or very few) thought was true. Maybe you should visit the Ark Encounter.
Just read the Bible
It's hard to imagine how anyone could be a Bible literalist when it comes to this story. Like how could anyone think this was literally true, or anything other than a mythical story or allegory found in the books of the bible.
@@KnoneOfficial brain washing from a young age.
Are u kidding me??? You believe in this?😂
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How can anyone believe this nonsense?
Christians go from perfectly speaking and understanding languages they never learned to not knowing how to translate Hebrew to English. Maybe because they forsook the god of Abraham for the Babylonian trinity of Nimrod, Tammuz, and Ishtar.
For those who don't believe the story of Noah and the Ark, you can go to Turkey today and see the actual Noah's Ark
I'm sorry, but you have zero common sense if you believe that nonsense.
God is always bigger then our imagination, I agree with the higher number choice.
Funny though that he can’t do a single thing to demonstrate his existence.
@@jasonaltig985 I'll Pray for you.
@@dcsblessedbees neat. Show me evidence of prayer doing anything. I’ll chant abracadabra for you.
1611 KJB Only!
KJV for new testament, yes, but for OT you should be using the septuagint. It's the most accurate and most quoted by NT authors.
NOAH WAS AN AVOWED LOVER OF GOD! HE WAS OBEDIENT ..
I’m amazed at the amounts of atheists who haunt the Bible resources with their “ha ha’s”, I don’t believe in Orcs or fairies but I don’t visit those sites because they don’t interest me. I don’t look or participate in threads about comic books or the films that their fans worship so it must be something about the Bible which attracts atheists against their better judgement, and that’s a good thing. God works in mysterious ways .
Ahahahaha..oh this drivel just gets funnier and funnier 😂😂
ship length 6 km width 2 km rivet-like nail 15 tons board 40 meters.
The whole story is a myth so he could have taken as many as you like for the story.