How did Em made Jay-Z "Cooler" if the song Hard Kncok Life" made him a mainstream household name...the beat had a Annie sample for crying out loud 🤣 y'all gotta do your home
He absolutely made jay cooler. So did Rihanna so did ye. That’s jay’s absolute genius. He knows who to involve himself with and exactly when. That’s not saying jay isn’t cool always by himself but jay doesn’t do world tours with anyone below his level. Hard knock life made jay mainstream but it didn’t make him cooler using an Annie sample. That’s really the example you wanna stand behind lmao Dumb comment with no context or substance.
Are you not listening? People never heard of J all over the world. The track made him global. Do your homework. J never been never will be as big as Em worldwide. Drake is bigger than J world wide.
@@runjr032lol ppl never heard of jay world wide is nonsense. Me not being from America is exactly the Point my big bro been a fan since the 90's. We are not from the US. Nonsense
Why would he it’s got nothing to do with the question Eminem wrote several of Dre’s hits, get off of the man’s 🥜 🙄 worshipping celebrities that don’t know you exist is beyond weird especially if you’re a guy
y'all do realize renegade was a song that belonged to Eminem .. he already had it recorded with Royce the 5'9. it was an old song that they took Royce off of and replaced with JAY. Jay had to conform to a formula..
So... if Jay is as great as he claims he is Jay should've ripped... I mean he heard em's verse 1st So he should've been able mash em. So please stop it with the excuses
I’m convinced either 1 or 2 things may have happened someone from nyc smashed his chick back in the day or 1 of his fav emcees from nyc refused to sign an autograph for him cause this nyc hate from him is crazy
I agree 💯%. Why do they keep asking this dude questions that have to include a New York rapper? Every interview I ever saw him in, he shows he can't stand the thought of someone from New York being good. He hates on everything New York. Dude needs to just let it go. Whatever it is...... Let it go already... It's so obvious.
I remember when that album dropped on 9/11 and I popped into Sam Goody and when I heard "Renegade" the hair on my neck stood up and I got the chills. Eminem and Jay-Z did God's work on that track but to me Eminem got the trophy in the end.
To everybody he did what are you really saying bro? Your hairs stood on your neck? For renegade? Shut up. Nigga 9/11 was enough fuck you talking about a song on a day a bunch of people died. I was there too but you trippin.
Damn bro! You just took me back with the Sam Goody reference. I didn’t by the album on 9/11 because I’m from NY and we were reeling from the attacks but when I did get around to buying it, I went to The Wiz! Another throwback store from a by gone era
This argument should be over by the simple fact that EM laid his verse like a year or so before jay ever did and still smoked dude… all while producing the beat…two 🐐s tho
When it comes to rap, I always say it depends on what u like. I think Jay is smart, and speak on what he's been through and things he got but I do think he limited
Cats saying Gipp hating he’s just telling the truth. Yall cats just think any opinion that’s contradictory to what you believe is wrong. And that’s the bias. We have to listen to your opinions allday thru most media outlets, but the rest of the world doesn’t share those views..
Gipp needs to stop the cap 🧢! I was in North Carolina when H to the izzo dropped and it was on the radio like crazy just like it was on Hot97. JAY BEEN POPPING
Im not even from NY but is funny to me the envy alot of people have towards NY MC's like it or not the most gifted and lyrical rappers where born in NY yall can call New Yorkers bias, but they can brag because NY is the house of hip hop and when your city gives birth to Biggie, Pac, Nas, Jay Z, Wu Tang, Big Pun, Big L, Mobb Deep, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, 50 Cent, DMX and many others you can actually brag hell NY is so gifted that the rapper that people claim as the face of hip hop in the West Coast was born in NY, I love great rappers regardless of the region but this hate propaganda towards NY is too much, they gave us hip hop so be thankful for that.
And most the guys that u mention had to actually go out and promote themselves and real record sells picture all the greats having the exposure that social media gives the new era this dude gotta stop the hate it’s your right to have an opinion but to me it seems more like hate cause he keep saying he fucks with jay but then he keeps shutting on jay makes no sense the game is watered down now being popular on social media doesn’t make u the best most today artist are forgetting about in a few years
You gotta give credit to Hov bc that was Em beat and flow and Jay switches up his flow for that song. Just like Big L and Jay freestyle, Jay flows like the other rapper. That tells you he nice with his craft
Im from 8 mile and grew up around the corner from the house on his album. He definetly had fans from both sides of the track and not just from his likeness
Gipp "2pac is bigger than biggie, biggie is just lyrical but 2pac songs speaks to you" Also Gipp "though Jayz verse on renegade speaks to me more,I prefer Eminems verse because it's more lyrical " Hate/Love makes people switch up their own principles
I agree with Gipp on this, Eminem was a force of nature back in the day as a rapper and A lot of times people don't want to give him his props because of his skin color but you gotta give it to him because He earned it and he clearly respects the game with hip hop..
Yeah, but you have to be honest with yourself. Em&Em is mumble rapper. He helped paved the way for mumble rap. Example: the song rap god is mumble rap, period.
It ain't bc of his skin color it's his content. He would get less shine if it wasn't bc of his skin color. We remember classic tunes word for word even we haven't heard them in 20 years. Nobody remembers em tunes. Kids ain't reciting his lyrics. The party ain't going crazy on an em tune. And I sure ain't got no cutty to an em tune. He's all word salad with no meat. And I didn't lie. Ijs
This is the new fazon love just don't ask anything about biggie or Jay you will never hear anything positive. But how many hits does gipp have? Someone name 1
Not saying jayz is the greatest but i think the hate he get a little uncalled for. Its like people forget how many huge hits he had late 90s and early 2000s. At least in ny. The can i get a, give it to me, big pimpin , hey papi time period he was dominating new york. Ppl that say they dont like jayz seem to be talking about run this town and after songs.
Jay just isn't really all that great as people make him out to be he's average at best and has lost every battle he has been in which is fine but you can't say he's the greatest when he lost against Dmx,Bizzy Bone, Nas,etc just to name a few even Jay knew he wasn't the greatest he literally held DMX back from releasing his album the moment he got the power of the company.
@@chitownmytownofficialonean6067 24 Grammy awards (most all time) and 13 number 1 albums ( most all time)… no dre, no puff, no suge, no Jermaine Dupree.. jayz made himself a Legend Bozo.. he paid his dues so for a lame like u to say he ain’t as good as people say he is show how many weirdos on his nuts
Run this town was a hit my man.. 4:44 was a classic album.. you don’t have to say he’s the greatest, anybody that was born after 1980 knows jayz body of work along with his accolades makes him the greatest.. people are entitled to like other rappers better just like I like biggie better but as far as people saying stupidity about dudes like nas being (greater) is a straight joke., biggie and Tupac don’t have the body of work, nas don’t sell and don’t have accolades.. lil Wyane, drake, and Eminem the only ones that u can realistically put in the conversation with Jayz.. point blank period
@@chitownmytownofficialonean6067 this lame said he average as best and he lose battles to dmx, nas and bizzy bone 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂… you wish he lost battles to thrm Bozo.. give jayz a mic and put any one of them in front of him like a real face to face battle and I better jayz would rap circles around anyone that u mentioned dumb dumb.. 2.5 billion dollar Hov 🤡🤡🤡
Those verses shouldn’t have never been debatable to start with given that Eminem’s verse already existed. Jay should’ve taken that win easily and it says something about Eminem’s ability for the verses to even be debatable as to who got who
@@jonwayne7685 that may very well be true and I’ve said that at times but the thing is such a statement can be very disingenuous ‘cause many people use it when their favourite didn’t have a better verse but when their favourite do have the better verse, they will never consider the possibility of the other rapper not making it a competition. I hope you get my point and see how it happens a lot of times, you may not do it but a lot do. I don’t like it when people say Eminem washed Jay ‘cause by no stretch of the imagination was jay’s verse wack I just happen to think Em’s was just better but overall I think the song was just good and we as the people sometimes ruin a song by saying someone is wack just ‘cause the other person had a better verse and sometimes we can’t even just enjoy music anymore ‘cause of such
@@nicksulli2890 you seen em do it? Nigga ask a dumb ass question that turns right back to yourself..smh my nigga check interviews from artists that fucked wit em 🤡 season in this bitch I swear
No rapper can make jayz “cooler” you gotta use another word cuz jayz whole persona is the cool rapper so em spazzed but like you said jay part is more relatable for me
The most ironic thing about that song is Jay-Z verse is far more relatable, peep the contradiction, all of the sudden we want to go with lyrics over something that resonates with people, if its someone he doesn't like
Lord I been wanting to respond to Gipps hypocrisy so many times. Art also, who was the best MC on Tupac’s Got my mind made up? I know who it wasn’t. Gipp used the same excuse why Biggie wasn’t better than Pac to say Em was better than Jay! He also said in a interview that Big can’t be better than Cube as a rapper because he dead! Then he said how we making a dead man more valuable than a man that’s living. Art co signed. Interviews before that he said Pac was greater than Jay although he dead and Jay z accomplishments far out seed PAC’s he got a 20 year catalog. I recall Pac talking about Jay so he obviously knew him. What we talking about folks. Use your brains! Opinions are so biased Art should call his channel the West coast down south Love Fest!
There is no contradiction; he flat out says that both artists' verses were relatable. His point was that middle America is physically a larger demographic and a part of the population that wasn't being spoken to at that time. Therefore, making Em's verses relatable to a greater number of people. What you're really saying is that Jay's verse was "far more relatable" to you personally.
@@MrTmills32it's frustrating isn't it?? Now YOU know how the rest of the world feel every time New Yorkers say that Biggie and Jay Z are "BETTER" rappers for the past 20 plus years. 😅 BIASED?
Bro, it’s sad to see a dude like Gipp turn into a washed up hater. Em made jay cooler?! How? Renegade was on Blueprint. Jay had already sold over 5 million on Hard knock life. Reasonable doubt was already a classic. Big pimpin, was already a huge hit. I hope Gipp just got amnesia or something because he’s coming off like the mad rapper.
Yup super fuckin hater. Who listen to gip anyways but country ass bammas music.czcams.com/play/OLAK5uy_kgQ5LPDKERzqWyGIsh_bHROORdwWjRFDE.html&feature=share
Y’all call anything that don’t kiss your entitled ass hate y’all have destroyed the word from overusing it on anything and everything 🙄 swear someone is hating on you and no one even knows you
yall didnt dominate until 98. thats when everybody was selling 4 mill or more. west and south was a head of yall in sales. thats why yall was hating on them at the source awards.
I think Em may have had the better rap verse, but Jay had the more poetic verse. It was like spoken word if you recite it acapella. They both were speaking that real 💯
@@mattmeadon9038you care about fictional lyrics we care about art articulating what you’ve been through. So you can’t tell me who’s more relatable to me.
Nah you misunderstood that whole point. Everyone battled, sure. But he was JUST a battle rapper then. And battle rappers had a very difficult time transitioning to the mainstream. It happened rarely. There’s a difference between underground and mainstream rappers who happen to battle vs a strictly battle rapper trying to get put on outside of battle rap.
Em&Em is weak af .. he lost his battle to MGK. Busta’ bodied Em twice. Remember when him and 50 botched up Hail Mary beat, dissing Ja? That song was wack af
@@yoitsgiook no, Em battled because he's from the Era of what mc's do. Em had joints before linking w Dre. So the whole thing about knowing how to make a song is nonsense, plus that only got popular when Canibus dropped. Em had tracks too. Super Natura fell into that phase of people saying h3 couldn't make tracks.
First 2 certified classics after that you got I am which aged horribly. The trash is nastradamus, streets disciple, hip-hop is dead, Nasir, lost tapes 2, KD 1. In between the trash you got a few good and some mediocre.
Em can’t make Jay-Z cooler because Jay was already out for years and had a huge fanbase already. Em’s verse and Jay’s verse was two different things. Em talked about his beef with the industry and media while Jay talked about what the average black person goes through and to point out things he goes through as well. The dumbest debate of all time. I don’t see how it’s even competition if they never initiated one. Em ain’t body nobody except the folks he was addressing.
@@ATLIENZ4 The fact that you even asked that idiotic question lets me know that YOU know NOTHING about Hip Hop.. Do me a favor and exit the chatroom and leave your Hip Hop card on the table on your way out the exit door, your done 👎
Cooler? Nah. But I get what he means. More like more mainstream. Even at the height of Jay's career, he never had the exposure that Em had, as far as media coverage. BUT, thats not because Jay is inferior, lyrically. His lyrics just touched more of what was related to being from the projects.
Jay 2nd verse is the best verse on that song! People only debate this because Nas said it. Which is not even a bad thing. Jay said Nas body guard had a better verse then him. That’s worst
Gip clearly has a problem with the love NY artist get. He speaks about bias but the south been running hip hop for at least the last 20 yrs!!!! The NY artists from the 90’s were just special 🤷🏿♂️
He speaking facts... Jay career started in 1988... didn't get consistently hot til 14 yrs later & rode coat tails of r kelly & ye... pac was dead , biggie was dead , ruff Ryder era was dying , 50 cent was just getting started... so Jay, em , & nelly was hot & move units til the south got recognized fully...where was the 1988 rapper in the 90's where the rap game at that time was fully of competition... so Jay ain't that guy to me & most.
@@kenyahollingsworth9139 Jay career didn’t start in 1988. He was rapping and he was a teen. He was doing demos and had underground stuff but he was also hustling. Jaz O was in the industry. In 1988, you had Kane, Rakim, KRS-One and others.
@SoulOfTheSouth so pac career didn't start with digital??????? Exactly... Jay career started with l Hawaii sophe garbage bro... pac was humpty, treach was the wop with the queen. They all started @ the same time. Only 1 got lost & didn't rise quickly cause his ish was garbage bro.. the other 2 took off like a rocket to fame, selling , movies & ish in the 90's. Again Jay didn't get consistently hot til 2002,. Research before stating un truths
Ok, can we please stop this. Renegade is Eminem and Royce’s song. The song was recorded way before and when Em & Royce fell out, it was given to Jay. Em goes so hard on the record because there’s a theme to their verses that he and Royce were rhyming off of. It’s not like the two were in the studio together recording it and Jay couldn’t keep up. Even if that were the case, Em would go harder but Jay would still hold his own just like he did with his fill in verses here. Salute to the channel though.
That doesn't validate Jay it makes it worse. Jay-Z should've smoked Em if he had Em's vocals already laid. On Notorious Thugs, Big sat in the studio and let Bone Thugs lay their verses went home studied em and crushed em with his verse, Jay just isn't that dude
I know the story. Eminem sent the beat with his verse on it to Jay Z. Jay Z heard Em’s verse and Jay did his part. It wasn’t like it was who’s gonna out rap who. The message had a message. People on here are so focused on who’s gonna out rap each other. The song had a message.
He still tryna compete saying Atl more influential than NY. Atl had the dominance in the game and have the title for running the hame the longest but NY is the origin of rap and need to be respected just like my city of Detroit in music.
@@BayPawLobeezy_World it’s like they feel like they got something to prove by going against us as a city are other regions we be rent free in niggas heads and he smoking crack if he think atl made more influence in the culture we set the trends for the game from fashion music entrepreneurship we did all that
@@400grand south run aint start 2010 nigga Lil Jon been running the game since early 2000s and before him Ludacris then Juvenile. They been running the game since Bone Crusher Never Scared as a whole as far as regine. And that was in 02. But they been on top for a while as far as the South NY done had a few sparks with 50 and Jay Z outside of them its been French Montana and literally just a few others. The South done had countless of people running the game and Atl as on like a few years ago been dominant.
Jay all day I had to hustle, my back to the wall, ashy knuckles Pockets filled with a lotta lint, not a cent Gotta vent, lotta innocent lives lost on the project bench What you hollerin'? Gotta pay rent, bring dollars in By the bodega, iron under my coat Feelin' braver, durag wrappin' my waves up, pockets full of hope Do not step to me, I'm awkward, I box lefty An orphan my pops left me and often my momma wasn't home Could not stress to me, I wasn't grown 'Specially on nights I brought somethin' home to quiet the stomach rumblings My demeanor, thirty years my senior My childhood didn't mean much, only raisin' green up Raisin' my fingers to critics, raisin' my head to the sky Big, I did it, multi before I die No lie, just know I chose my own fate I drove by the fork in the road and went straight Funny how he probably leans Eminem because of the technicality of the verse yet turns around and uses the argument of something being relatable to elevate Pac and dismiss Big this guy is a joke yet still im still taking Jay's second verse easy 😂😂😂
@jeanpayano1506 so is master P... & dancing ass puffy so let's stick to the rap game.. & clearly Jay rap game better than them both... but let's stick to the art of rap & the champions of this rap game. Jay ain't it... , neither is master p or pussy , I mean puffy. So are we talking money or rap??? If money , you win this debate, but the rap game... take your L & go chill
I can name a million songs when Gipp didn't have the best verse and Ceelo killed it too. Jay Z strategized that, just like "Ha" with Juvenile, etc. Spreading fanbase.
Cee Lo was the best out of Goodie Mobb !!! Him and Andre 3000 are the best emcees out of ATL !!! Big Boi , Killer Mike , Ludacris , Cyhi the Prince , TIP are great but Cee Lo and 3 Staxxx are Aliens (ATLiens if u will ) Gipp is mids but was very influential because of his slick talk , gold teeth , swag and loud outfits.
a white man , making a black rapper cooler ? wtf !!! u can like his verse better but make jay cooler? wtf,,, im from nyc and i thought we had the haters but damn ATL get yall mans!!
Damn all that. How can you understand both sides when it comes to yt boys relating to em more but can't understand tony yayo thinking big is better than cube when he could relate to bigs music more than cubes?
used to think that too. But listening now. Jay Z is speaking facts in his verse. Em is doing make believe. Listening to Em is like watching a fun movie with no substance.
Alright enough is enough. GOODIE MOB is legendary. Big Gipp is not on NOBODY top anything list. Stop it. We throw that “Legend” word around too much. He is a part of a legendary group. But nobody quoting Big Gipp verses. Now I’ll proceed to get on his ass. His “Biggie only had two albums” take was embarrassing. Both albums were classics and one of those records WENT DIAMOND. His Jay Z take is embarrassing. Jay Z was a superstar before Em even got a record deal. Stop it man.
It's Obvious this dude has a personal gripe with Jigga.. Jay prolly didn't holla or show love at an award show or something (who knows).. But each recent interview I've seen of dude he dry hating and slandering Jay-Z all in the title.. smh.. Nikka Move On.. lol.. Keeping that black man name all in your mouth in a disparaging way every interview is becoming mad CORNY!! And beneath Goodie Mob's southern hospitality..
Big Gipp REALLY hates NY but thats ok its his opinion. Theres alot TRASH artists in the south we can point out but for the sake of being polite we can skip dogging them out. Gipp is good for content though
@jeanpayano1506 The South DOES have good artists BUT yes i agree the early 2000s had a TON of really medicore southern artists who contributed to the stupidfication of hip hop and help it become mainly a pop mainstream watered down movement.
Gipp is a professional hater Now. We all know Nas 100 times better than Pac music.czcams.com/play/OLAK5uy_kgQ5LPDKERzqWyGIsh_bHROORdwWjRFDE.html&feature=share
Em had the better flow, jay had the better content. The caliber of bars are literally the same. It all depends on whether you like style or substance. When I was younger I thought Eminem did better, but now that I’m older I think jay edges it. Regardless, phenomenal collaboration.
Why was his "content" better? Em talked about being despised and judged the same way Jay talked about the same but in relation to where he was raised. The content was the same....seems like you are trying to create a false narrative to give Jay more respect. The song is amazing regardless, but people cannot accept the fact that if you had to compare that Eminem for most was the better artist. Who gives af over opinions if you enjoy the music?
@@stephencox8723 What's funny? Em talked about the same general thing that Em talked about. What was so vastly different since what i said was so "shocking"? Em tlked about his influence on the music, people that hate or criticize him, etc.Jay talked about coming up in his env. What is so compelling content-wise coming from Jay???
No it's not even that. Em just had significantly better verses no matter how you slice it. Doesn't take away from Jay Z. It just is what it is. People should focus on how dope the song was tho more than who had the better verses. I think it's cool to have that debate or to talk about it but at some point, you gotta enjoy the damn song. I'm not even talking about the Renegade song anymore. I'm speaking in general. People focus so much on who had the better verse that they can't even enjoy the full song. I'm an artist myself & I never go into a song trying to out do anyone. I just try to deliver a dope verse and compliment the song well.
Eminem grew up in the streets too, just like jayz, so middle America is not his “community” he just brought it there as people say. Even though I disagree with this, I went to school with 99% white people and they already were listening to Tupac, Biggie, Jay-z, Wu-tang clan etc.. I think Em is just a fkn genius rapper and did something no one heard before, he was fun, outrageous, talented with writing and rhyming words that had no business rhyming, and had this amazing flow when he spit. He still is all that and more. I hate it when people say that, they have no idea what we were listening to or liked. I’m a huge R&B fan. Liked some 80’s but mainly 90’s and early 2000’s of course.
Jay 2 verses actually very good, but when u put the a reg flow with a fast multi syllable flow the contrast is so different. If Jay would’ve did that song by himself it would’ve still been a hit. Also, the same thing happened with Em and Big on “Dead Wrong”
Music is supposed to be universal. To me his opinion is right about Em. Last night at the 50 concert in Nashville it was way more White people than blacks and to me that is more of 50 alliance with Em than his rapping ability. The concert was 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥. Busta Rhymes...Spliff Star...Jeremih...50 thank you all for a 💯 performance
I don’t agree. Eminem cannot make JayZ “cooler” because HipHop made Eminem cooler. Eminem is not bigger than HipHop. White//middle America have been watching and listening to the hiphop (Black) culture
In another part of the same interview he said biggie cant be better than ice cube because biggie only had to album. So if we're gonna use that logic then jayz is the greatest rapper of all time because he has 14 solo albums and 3 collaborative albums which all went platinum. But he always seem to discredit jayz every time someone brings up his name.
@@bowlerfamilyyup there was. But bottom line. Dude is a hater. Hates all New York for some reason. I also agree with Ice Cube being a bigger icon. Music movies, basketball etc. Dude has solidified himself. However, pound for pound. Cube couldn't touch Biggie lyrically. Even though Big past away before he could really make his mark. The music he did put out there was dope and alot of rappers wasn't on his level. That's a fact and Gipp would never admit that because he's a hates NY and NY rappers. He'll say a positive comment just so it doesn't seem like there's hate. But that's BS. He needs to let it go!!
@@logics71this Art dude needs to stop giving this fuckboy a platform to bump his soup-coolers. Notice, he don’t ask this goofy nigga nothing about his own music.
@logics71 Cube verse on Grande Finale is no punk. Lyrically he's a beast. Tales From the Darkside is crazy. He dumbed it down with that West Side BS but early Cube held his own with Chuck D and Kane. Gipp gives plenty of props to NY cats. Not everybody bang with Jigger nor do they have to.
To keep it a buck, we can blame nas for this debate going back to ether because he’s the one that said “Eminem murdered you on ya own s***” which started this 😂😂 but kanye on the last call on the college dropout said that when he gave the this can’t be life beat to j, he wanted the simple version of j, not the complicated or introspective j, and that’s what we got from j on renegade, which is no big deal and to be honest if it wasn’t for the nas and j beef, this wouldn’t even be a discussion, nas remark solidified em status in the game and made people go back and analyze how em completely killed the track, Obie trice even said that when em got renegade back from j, he was kinda relieved because of the potential j could’ve done to the song and if it was reversed where j killed it and em was subpar, ain’t no tellin how that could’ve affected em career, remember the blueprint came out in 01 and this is still a debate to this day, that’s legendary!
Not just Em, Jay built his whole legacy off reaching new audiences with collabs
Exactly!!! Down South we didn't really listen to Jay until he did Big Pimpin' with UGK.
@@korywilliamsO.G.1even after big pimpin we still didn't really bump him like that
@@jackjill8129 TRUE!!!
Jay z reached new audiences through been Mr Knowles
Yep listen to "Vol.2 Hard Knock Life" album it's a compilation album
How did Em made Jay-Z "Cooler" if the song Hard Kncok Life" made him a mainstream household name...the beat had a Annie sample for crying out loud 🤣 y'all gotta do your home
His verse was harder than Jays verse. He ain’t lying. Listen to it lol
He absolutely made jay cooler. So did Rihanna so did ye. That’s jay’s absolute genius. He knows who to involve himself with and exactly when. That’s not saying jay isn’t cool always by himself but jay doesn’t do world tours with anyone below his level. Hard knock life made jay mainstream but it didn’t make him cooler using an Annie sample. That’s really the example you wanna stand behind lmao Dumb comment with no context or substance.
Are you not listening? People never heard of J all over the world. The track made him global. Do your homework. J never been never will be as big as Em worldwide. Drake is bigger than J world wide.
@@runjr032lol ppl never heard of jay world wide is nonsense. Me not being from America is exactly the Point my big bro been a fan since the 90's. We are not from the US. Nonsense
@@runjr032that song wasn’t even a single nobody plays that shit
Jay-Z wrote one of Dr dre biggest hits. I bet you Gipp wouldn’t dare mention that lol
Why would he it’s got nothing to do with the question Eminem wrote several of Dre’s hits, get off of the man’s 🥜 🙄 worshipping celebrities that don’t know you exist is beyond weird especially if you’re a guy
@@Bobbyillmatik76celebrating another isn’t 🥜 riding, people really hate when people give jay credit, it’s weird
He’d find something to hate on😂
@@Bobbyillmatik76 but u riding jayz nuts 🥜
Thats cause he stole people's songs. Even their lyrics. @@andyheath5244
y'all do realize renegade was a song that belonged to Eminem .. he already had it recorded with Royce the 5'9. it was an old song that they took Royce off of and replaced with JAY. Jay had to conform to a formula..
So... if Jay is as great as he claims he is Jay should've ripped... I mean he heard em's verse 1st So he should've been able mash em. So please stop it with the excuses
I’m convinced either 1 or 2 things may have happened someone from nyc smashed his chick back in the day or 1 of his fav emcees from nyc refused to sign an autograph for him cause this nyc hate from him is crazy
Facts
Naw just to much NY bias lol
I agree 💯%. Why do they keep asking this dude questions that have to include a New York rapper? Every interview I ever saw him in, he shows he can't stand the thought of someone from New York being good. He hates on everything New York. Dude needs to just let it go. Whatever it is...... Let it go already... It's so obvious.
@@logics71exactly 💯
😂 naw he b spitting tht real homie
I remember when that album dropped on 9/11 and I popped into Sam Goody and when I heard "Renegade" the hair on my neck stood up and I got the chills. Eminem and Jay-Z did God's work on that track but to me Eminem got the trophy in the end.
To everybody he did what are you really saying bro? Your hairs stood on your neck? For renegade? Shut up. Nigga 9/11 was enough fuck you talking about a song on a day a bunch of people died. I was there too but you trippin.
Eminem slaughtered Jay on that
Damn bro! You just took me back with the Sam Goody reference. I didn’t by the album on 9/11 because I’m from NY and we were reeling from the attacks but when I did get around to buying it, I went to The Wiz! Another throwback store from a by gone era
exactly😊
This argument should be over by the simple fact that EM laid his verse like a year or so before jay ever did and still smoked dude… all while producing the beat…two 🐐s tho
He didn’t smoke him. Jay z had a good verse
When it comes to rap, I always say it depends on what u like. I think Jay is smart, and speak on what he's been through and things he got but I do think he limited
Facts PREACH Big Gipp!!!
You mean HATE Gipp!!
It was em song with Royce tho jay just threw a verse on the song in they took Royce off
I honestly like both verses.they both killed that song
no. em beat that song
Stop 🛑 Em took that song lol 😂
That song was a original song by Royce and Eminem. Eminem didn’t changed his verses and Jay got in it. Jay stole rhymes in there too😂😂😂
Facts Jay Z was down bad in 2001
@@YSuniverse856how was he down bad? He dropped blueprint that year
Bro broke it down perfectly. Well said
Jay's best selling albums don't even have Eminem on them so wtf are you talking about?
Yep
@@matthewbush2371nope. How can Eminem make jay z cooler? That’s nonsense.
@@spenser6353 maybe
Cats saying Gipp hating he’s just telling the truth.
Yall cats just think any opinion that’s contradictory to what you believe is wrong.
And that’s the bias.
We have to listen to your opinions allday thru most media outlets, but the rest of the world doesn’t share those views..
Gipp needs to stop the cap 🧢! I was in North Carolina when H to the izzo dropped and it was on the radio like crazy just like it was on Hot97. JAY BEEN POPPING
Im not even from NY but is funny to me the envy alot of people have towards NY MC's like it or not the most gifted and lyrical rappers where born in NY yall can call New Yorkers bias, but they can brag because NY is the house of hip hop and when your city gives birth to Biggie, Pac, Nas, Jay Z, Wu Tang, Big Pun, Big L, Mobb Deep, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, 50 Cent, DMX and many others you can actually brag hell NY is so gifted that the rapper that people claim as the face of hip hop in the West Coast was born in NY, I love great rappers regardless of the region but this hate propaganda towards NY is too much, they gave us hip hop so be thankful for that.
This is the truth that lil gip is a hater of
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Ny built the house that these dudes is eating from and listen to the hate that they give back.
Wow you guys hit that right on the head real talk disrespectful towards New York
And most the guys that u mention had to actually go out and promote themselves and real record sells picture all the greats having the exposure that social media gives the new era this dude gotta stop the hate it’s your right to have an opinion but to me it seems more like hate cause he keep saying he fucks with jay but then he keeps shutting on jay makes no sense the game is watered down now being popular on social media doesn’t make u the best most today artist are forgetting about in a few years
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He bodied it and produced the beat!!
@greenback70facts
You gotta give credit to Hov bc that was Em beat and flow and Jay switches up his flow for that song. Just like Big L and Jay freestyle, Jay flows like the other rapper. That tells you he nice with his craft
The beat was weak
@@lawrencereid2767Super weak! I was outside when the album dropped no one even really care for the song
@greenback70Nah
Im from 8 mile and grew up around the corner from the house on his album. He definetly had fans from both sides of the track and not just from his likeness
No one in detriot listen to that dude
@@bouche8503 *had
@@bouche8503 Speak for yourself
@@lawrenceward1396 I speak for black Detroit which he is not from
@@bouche8503 you don't speak for me
GIPP A HATER WHEN IT COMES TO NEW YORK RAP HISTORY.. FACTS!
Gipp "2pac is bigger than biggie, biggie is just lyrical but 2pac songs speaks to you"
Also Gipp "though Jayz verse on renegade speaks to me more,I prefer Eminems verse because it's more lyrical "
Hate/Love makes people switch up their own principles
Finally someone said what I said dude is a massive hypocrite
Either a NY rapper smashed Gipp’s girl or he got his heart broke by a a NY chic. This dude is sounding like a bitter ex girlfriend at this point.
😂😂😂 You a fool for that one! 😂😂 Chill Homey
He said Nas is great! He just don't like Biggy.
Everybody from New York believes they’re God’s greatest gift.
Weak homie the only reason Jay wanted that sound is because he knew slim was hot and that a line Jay use on Nas cuz he knew he lost that battle 💯
It’s from back in the days when the south felt they didn’t get airplay but NY did. So they always trying to prove everyone else is good too
I agree with Gipp on this, Eminem was a force of nature back in the day as a rapper and A lot of times people don't want to give him his props because of his skin color but you gotta give it to him because He earned it and he clearly respects the game with hip hop..
Yeah, but you have to be honest with yourself. Em&Em is mumble rapper. He helped paved the way for mumble rap. Example: the song rap god is mumble rap, period.
It ain't bc of his skin color it's his content. He would get less shine if it wasn't bc of his skin color. We remember classic tunes word for word even we haven't heard them in 20 years. Nobody remembers em tunes. Kids ain't reciting his lyrics. The party ain't going crazy on an em tune. And I sure ain't got no cutty to an em tune. He's all word salad with no meat. And I didn't lie. Ijs
@@yo3rdtier128 that is such a looooooooooooooooooooooooong reach
@@yo3rdtier128Eminem is a mumble rapper!!!?😂😂😂
This is the new fazon love just don't ask anything about biggie or Jay you will never hear anything positive. But how many hits does gipp have? Someone name 1
I think he has only 1…and it’s wit DF
@@bruvablake1056 my point exactly
@@MrTsmooth12 lmao
Gipp whole career was a joke mad because Jay-Z made it his wack ass might as well get a wet wipe at this point
Gipp has more hits than Michael Jackson
Not saying jayz is the greatest but i think the hate he get a little uncalled for. Its like people forget how many huge hits he had late 90s and early 2000s. At least in ny. The can i get a, give it to me, big pimpin , hey papi time period he was dominating new york. Ppl that say they dont like jayz seem to be talking about run this town and after songs.
I'm ex military...alot of ppl was banging Jay back in the day
Jay just isn't really all that great as people make him out to be he's average at best and has lost every battle he has been in which is fine but you can't say he's the greatest when he lost against Dmx,Bizzy Bone, Nas,etc just to name a few even Jay knew he wasn't the greatest he literally held DMX back from releasing his album the moment he got the power of the company.
@@chitownmytownofficialonean6067 24 Grammy awards (most all time) and 13 number 1 albums ( most all time)… no dre, no puff, no suge, no Jermaine Dupree.. jayz made himself a Legend Bozo.. he paid his dues so for a lame like u to say he ain’t as good as people say he is show how many weirdos on his nuts
Run this town was a hit my man.. 4:44 was a classic album.. you don’t have to say he’s the greatest, anybody that was born after 1980 knows jayz body of work along with his accolades makes him the greatest.. people are entitled to like other rappers better just like I like biggie better but as far as people saying stupidity about dudes like nas being (greater) is a straight joke., biggie and Tupac don’t have the body of work, nas don’t sell and don’t have accolades.. lil Wyane, drake, and Eminem the only ones that u can realistically put in the conversation with Jayz.. point blank period
@@chitownmytownofficialonean6067 this lame said he average as best and he lose battles to dmx, nas and bizzy bone 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂… you wish he lost battles to thrm Bozo.. give jayz a mic and put any one of them in front of him like a real face to face battle and I better jayz would rap circles around anyone that u mentioned dumb dumb.. 2.5 billion dollar Hov 🤡🤡🤡
What makes Em so 🔥 He didn't rewrite his verse. He used the same verse wit Royce on the original.
That made no sense. Why would his verse change? The song was already done.
Similar to how LL Cool J changed his prewritten verse on "Phatty Girl" after hearing Luda go off on his opening verse for the song.
Those verses shouldn’t have never been debatable to start with given that Eminem’s verse already existed. Jay should’ve taken that win easily and it says something about Eminem’s ability for the verses to even be debatable as to who got who
Bruv have you realised maybe jay didn’t try to make it a competition ? And just said how he felt ?
@@jonwayne7685 that may very well be true and I’ve said that at times but the thing is such a statement can be very disingenuous ‘cause many people use it when their favourite didn’t have a better verse but when their favourite do have the better verse, they will never consider the possibility of the other rapper not making it a competition. I hope you get my point and see how it happens a lot of times, you may not do it but a lot do. I don’t like it when people say Eminem washed Jay ‘cause by no stretch of the imagination was jay’s verse wack I just happen to think Em’s was just better but overall I think the song was just good and we as the people sometimes ruin a song by saying someone is wack just ‘cause the other person had a better verse and sometimes we can’t even just enjoy music anymore ‘cause of such
@@jonwayne7685y'all niggas know Jay freestyles verses....right? He don't write...
@@nicksulli2890 you seen em do it? Nigga ask a dumb ass question that turns right back to yourself..smh my nigga check interviews from artists that fucked wit em 🤡 season in this bitch I swear
@@nicksulli2890 son really said it's still writing without pen and paper...🤦🏾♂️ Fuck is wrong wit you niggas 🤣🤣🤣🤣
No rapper can make jayz “cooler” you gotta use another word cuz jayz whole persona is the cool rapper so em spazzed but like you said jay part is more relatable for me
*He made Jay the camel cooler*
@@BigDawg-oh4hb for you cuz he’s more relatable to you. But you can’t tell me who’s more relatable for me you don’t know me
@@Mistaletstalkaboutit u been hatin on em cause he's white...bet you wanna be like him...
@@MelinaWatts-gn4mv I listen to em genuis🤣. You just running ya mouth. Have several seats
@@BigDawg-oh4hb lol
The most ironic thing about that song is Jay-Z verse is far more relatable, peep the contradiction, all of the sudden we want to go with lyrics over something that resonates with people, if its someone he doesn't like
Lord I been wanting to respond to Gipps hypocrisy so many times. Art also, who was the best MC on Tupac’s Got my mind made up? I know who it wasn’t. Gipp used the same excuse why Biggie wasn’t better than Pac to say Em was better than Jay! He also said in a interview that Big can’t be better than Cube as a rapper because he dead! Then he said how we making a dead man more valuable than a man that’s living. Art co signed. Interviews before that he said Pac was greater than Jay although he dead and Jay z accomplishments far out seed PAC’s he got a 20 year catalog. I recall Pac talking about Jay so he obviously knew him. What we talking about folks. Use your brains! Opinions are so biased Art should call his channel the West coast down south Love Fest!
@@MrTmills32 exactly
There is no contradiction; he flat out says that both artists' verses were relatable. His point was that middle America is physically a larger demographic and a part of the population that wasn't being spoken to at that time. Therefore, making Em's verses relatable to a greater number of people. What you're really saying is that Jay's verse was "far more relatable" to you personally.
Jay z delivery is wack. And em is all word salad with no meat or dressing. There, I fixed it
@@MrTmills32it's frustrating isn't it?? Now YOU know how the rest of the world feel every time New Yorkers say that Biggie and Jay Z are "BETTER" rappers for the past 20 plus years. 😅 BIASED?
Bro, it’s sad to see a dude like Gipp turn into a washed up hater. Em made jay cooler?! How? Renegade was on Blueprint. Jay had already sold over 5 million on Hard knock life. Reasonable doubt was already a classic. Big pimpin, was already a huge hit. I hope Gipp just got amnesia or something because he’s coming off like the mad rapper.
Yup super fuckin hater. Who listen to gip anyways but country ass bammas
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Gay z is the real definition of studio gangsta..
Jay z got so many haters
😂
@@youngcity4241on Er'thang! I know for a fact he doing something right!
Damn… The hate for the east coast rappers is real 😂🤣… I get it. It’s like sports. When a specific team is dominating. Everybody roots for them to lose
Y’all call anything that don’t kiss your entitled ass hate y’all have destroyed the word from overusing it on anything and everything 🙄 swear someone is hating on you and no one even knows you
Yeah at this point Gipp a NY hater
yall didnt dominate until 98. thats when everybody was selling 4 mill or more. west and south was a head of yall in sales. thats why yall was hating on them at the source awards.
When NY dominate after Pac and Big died? The South been killing yall since Master P.
This coming from a “rapper” that NEVER made a slick line in his life, much less a slick verse. Hilarious
theres's nothing cool about Eminem and "do you fools listen to music of skim thru it" is by far the biggest quotable of Renegade
Gripp speaking 🗣️ facts about it 💯
I'm a eminem fan and don't really like Jay z but jay killed eminem on that song
I think Em may have had the better rap verse, but Jay had the more poetic verse. It was like spoken word if you recite it acapella. They both were speaking that real 💯
Em is a better lyricist by far than Jay Z by far!Em takes it to a different level.
Factz
@@mattmeadon9038you care about fictional lyrics we care about art articulating what you’ve been through. So you can’t tell me who’s more relatable to me.
@@Mistaletstalkaboutit facts 💪🏾💯
@@mattmeadon9038false
If Nas never said it, this wouldn’t be subject now. Nobody was sayin Em got Hov till Ether dropped.
Exactly lol
Facts!
Preach!
If you are a real mc from back in the day, you battled. Its like saying you became a boxer and never sparred. It was just what happened.
Em baked Jay on that tracc. On cripperz
Nah you misunderstood that whole point. Everyone battled, sure. But he was JUST a battle rapper then. And battle rappers had a very difficult time transitioning to the mainstream. It happened rarely. There’s a difference between underground and mainstream rappers who happen to battle vs a strictly battle rapper trying to get put on outside of battle rap.
Em&Em is weak af .. he lost his battle to MGK. Busta’ bodied Em twice. Remember when him and 50 botched up Hail Mary beat, dissing Ja? That song was wack af
exactly you only got real respect when you were nice at freestylin
@@yoitsgiook no, Em battled because he's from the Era of what mc's do. Em had joints before linking w Dre. So the whole thing about knowing how to make a song is nonsense, plus that only got popular when Canibus dropped. Em had tracks too. Super Natura fell into that phase of people saying h3 couldn't make tracks.
I love gipp but art stop asking him about jayz. The bias is so obvious
Him and Biggie
Em had the better verse. Who dispute that?
@@bowlerfamily you can if you want.
People are always biased towards Jay Z. A lot of people worship the ground Jay Z walks on.
Gipp really is a Jay-Z hater.
Right before Everytime ni99az hate on Jay , they always say : “I fk wit Jay” 😂 then proceed to hate .
😂😂😂
Lol 😂 facts
NAS that's all I got to say that man catalog is GREATNESS
@BigDawg-oh4hb Nas way better than eminem. Em Is a white thing fr
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@@BigDawg-oh4hb ybig 🧢🧢🧢🧢
First 2 certified classics after that you got I am which aged horribly. The trash is nastradamus, streets disciple, hip-hop is dead, Nasir, lost tapes 2, KD 1. In between the trash you got a few good and some mediocre.
@@eib3137Aged horribly ? How sway ? Just say you don’t like em cause they was all lyrical masterpieces
@@eib3137 you crazy if you think KD1 is trash, that's like saying MTBMB is trash. U just ain't listening
We get it Gipp… You have a very strong dislike for NY Rappers. You’ve been disrespectful for a while now. Stick to Atlanta OG…
Oh you think that’s what it is lol
Gip is trash. Pure hater. These dudes complain New York has a bias, but really they have a bias against New York.
Facts. He like the kid that wasn't popular enough high school so he wants to see the popular kids fall off later in life. 😂
He just stating his opinion didn't he pick between dmx and biggie,you niggaz hell fr lol
@@BigDawg-oh4hb 2pac is from New York 😂😂😂 He spent most of his life in New York
Em can’t make Jay-Z cooler because Jay was already out for years and had a huge fanbase already. Em’s verse and Jay’s verse was two different things. Em talked about his beef with the industry and media while Jay talked about what the average black person goes through and to point out things he goes through as well. The dumbest debate of all time. I don’t see how it’s even competition if they never initiated one. Em ain’t body nobody except the folks he was addressing.
Em bodied Jay, period.. Jay is dookie stains compared to Em .
@@SmokeX9 Eminem is overrated. And what did he say that “bodied” Jay since they were rapping about each other?
@@ATLIENZ4 The fact that you even asked that idiotic question lets me know that YOU know NOTHING about Hip Hop.. Do me a favor and exit the chatroom and leave your Hip Hop card on the table on your way out the exit door, your done 👎
It is pretty obvious he can’t stand jay z or any rapper from New York
Yep
No, it’s pretty clear. He’s just not saying the words you wanna hear..
He was part of the wave that experienced shade from ny when east coast was acting salty towards EVERYONE 💯🤷🏾♂️
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂fr I can tell he hate them MF’s
Cooler? Nah. But I get what he means. More like more mainstream. Even at the height of Jay's career, he never had the exposure that Em had, as far as media coverage. BUT, thats not because Jay is inferior, lyrically. His lyrics just touched more of what was related to being from the projects.
Thats ridiculous. Jayz sold 5 million records before eminem sold any records. So, how did he make him cooler?
False because jay had that type of exposure since 98 with hard knock life lol before eminem even dropped in 99
Jay 2nd verse is the best verse on that song! People only debate this because Nas said it. Which is not even a bad thing. Jay said Nas body guard had a better verse then him. That’s worst
Gip clearly has a problem with the love NY artist get. He speaks about bias but the south been running hip hop for at least the last 20 yrs!!!! The NY artists from the 90’s were just special 🤷🏿♂️
He hates NY but loves 2Pac, DMX and 50 Cent.
@@SoulOfTheSouthThats the irony of it all
He speaking facts... Jay career started in 1988... didn't get consistently hot til 14 yrs later & rode coat tails of r kelly & ye... pac was dead , biggie was dead , ruff Ryder era was dying , 50 cent was just getting started... so Jay, em , & nelly was hot & move units til the south got recognized fully...where was the 1988 rapper in the 90's where the rap game at that time was fully of competition... so Jay ain't that guy to me & most.
@@kenyahollingsworth9139 Jay career didn’t start in 1988. He was rapping and he was a teen. He was doing demos and had underground stuff but he was also hustling. Jaz O was in the industry. In 1988, you had Kane, Rakim, KRS-One and others.
@SoulOfTheSouth so pac career didn't start with digital??????? Exactly... Jay career started with l Hawaii sophe garbage bro... pac was humpty, treach was the wop with the queen. They all started @ the same time. Only 1 got lost & didn't rise quickly cause his ish was garbage bro.. the other 2 took off like a rocket to fame, selling , movies & ish in the 90's. Again Jay didn't get consistently hot til 2002,. Research before stating un truths
Wish he would just come and say that he hates the guy, man up😂
Ok, can we please stop this. Renegade is Eminem and Royce’s song. The song was recorded way before and when Em & Royce fell out, it was given to Jay. Em goes so hard on the record because there’s a theme to their verses that he and Royce were rhyming off of. It’s not like the two were in the studio together recording it and Jay couldn’t keep up. Even if that were the case, Em would go harder but Jay would still hold his own just like he did with his fill in verses here. Salute to the channel though.
Y’all find all the excuses in the word for Jay Z I mean gahdam‼️
So Jay couldn't do better than a pre-recorded verse from years ago?
That doesn't validate Jay it makes it worse. Jay-Z should've smoked Em if he had Em's vocals already laid. On Notorious Thugs, Big sat in the studio and let Bone Thugs lay their verses went home studied em and crushed em with his verse, Jay just isn't that dude
I know the story. Eminem sent the beat with his verse on it to Jay Z. Jay Z heard Em’s verse and Jay did his part. It wasn’t like it was who’s gonna out rap who. The message had a message. People on here are so focused on who’s gonna out rap each other. The song had a message.
@@Ghost_of_ReasonIt wasn’t a excuse. It actually happened like that. Em and Royce had the song first. Its on youtube.
This dude is funny as hell mention NY anything and watch him go lol
He still tryna compete saying Atl more influential than NY. Atl had the dominance in the game and have the title for running the hame the longest but NY is the origin of rap and need to be respected just like my city of Detroit in music.
@@BayPawLobeezy_World it’s like they feel like they got something to prove by going against us as a city are other regions we be rent free in niggas heads and he smoking crack if he think atl made more influence in the culture we set the trends for the game from fashion music entrepreneurship we did all that
@@BayPawLobeezy_Worldnonsense the south run started in 2010-2020, 10yr run is not long
@@400grand south run aint start 2010 nigga Lil Jon been running the game since early 2000s and before him Ludacris then Juvenile. They been running the game since Bone Crusher Never Scared as a whole as far as regine. And that was in 02. But they been on top for a while as far as the South NY done had a few sparks with 50 and Jay Z outside of them its been French Montana and literally just a few others. The South done had countless of people running the game and Atl as on like a few years ago been dominant.
@@400grand south run started around 2003...
Eminem is a monster!!!!!!!
A monster? He got bodied by MGK. Em&Em is overrated
Been a monster 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
HES A WHITE BOY WHO IS A MEDIOCRE RAPPER BUT HES A WHITE BOY THAT CAN RAP THATS WHY PEOPLE SAY THAT
Can’t wait for this ez mills and Eminem dropping Friday
@@ericlewis450SMH
Jay all day
I had to hustle, my back to the wall, ashy knuckles
Pockets filled with a lotta lint, not a cent
Gotta vent, lotta innocent lives lost on the project bench
What you hollerin'? Gotta pay rent, bring dollars in
By the bodega, iron under my coat
Feelin' braver, durag wrappin' my waves up, pockets full of hope
Do not step to me, I'm awkward, I box lefty
An orphan my pops left me and often my momma wasn't home
Could not stress to me, I wasn't grown
'Specially on nights I brought somethin' home to quiet the stomach rumblings
My demeanor, thirty years my senior
My childhood didn't mean much, only raisin' green up
Raisin' my fingers to critics, raisin' my head to the sky
Big, I did it, multi before I die
No lie, just know I chose my own fate
I drove by the fork in the road and went straight
Funny how he probably leans Eminem because of the technicality of the verse yet turns around and uses the argument of something being relatable to elevate Pac and dismiss Big this guy is a joke yet still im still taking Jay's second verse easy 😂😂😂
Jay been in the rap the game since 1988 & didn't get consistently hot til 14 yrs later. That's called garbage to me...
@@kenyahollingsworth9139and decades later he is a billionaire, thats a hustler for me
@jeanpayano1506 so is master P... & dancing ass puffy so let's stick to the rap game.. & clearly Jay rap game better than them both... but let's stick to the art of rap & the champions of this rap game. Jay ain't it... , neither is master p or pussy , I mean puffy. So are we talking money or rap??? If money , you win this debate, but the rap game... take your L & go chill
Jay verse is more relatable
@@novacain943 to close minds. That is facts.
I can name a million songs when Gipp didn't have the best verse and Ceelo killed it too. Jay Z strategized that, just like "Ha" with Juvenile, etc. Spreading fanbase.
Cee Lo was the best out of Goodie Mobb !!! Him and Andre 3000 are the best emcees out of ATL !!! Big Boi , Killer Mike , Ludacris , Cyhi the Prince , TIP are great but Cee Lo and 3 Staxxx are Aliens (ATLiens if u will ) Gipp is mids but was very influential because of his slick talk , gold teeth , swag and loud outfits.
@@Bizzle223 Truth 🏆
And plus that beat was already made for Royce and Em
Can you name one single song where Gipp had the best verse? I can't think of any
@@Bizzle223 Ludacris is the wackest rapper of all time. A side- show clown who bit Redman's style and turned hip hop into a fuckin joke. F*ck Ludacris
I get it, but Jay's verse on renegade was highly underrated
He got smoked on that
@nellatl Lloyd Banks smoked Eminem on "Don't push me" off the get rich or die trying album
Eminem > Lloyd banks and G@y z
Highly underrated for 12 years old g@yy z fanboys who don't know anything about real hip hop..
U mean overrated
The hatred for NYC makes people delusional
a white man , making a black rapper cooler ? wtf !!! u can like his verse better but make jay cooler? wtf,,, im from nyc and i thought we had the haters but damn ATL get yall mans!!
His hatred runs deep 😂
If Jay-Z was from the south , Gipp would be hollering 🐐
U know it's the truth.
I can listen to Keith Murray and Gipp stories 4Ever!!!😂🤣Em fi' but i cant put him over Jay..ever!
Jay. Z would laugh at this😂
Damn all that. How can you understand both sides when it comes to yt boys relating to em more but can't understand tony yayo thinking big is better than cube when he could relate to bigs music more than cubes?
Jay was platinum B4 em he was in middle of America B4 em
If we as a people think jz is better then em, we r falling deeper into ignorance
Bs
Nonsense.. JayZ buys only the best rhymes.
You ignorant for making that comment
Now that was dumb as hell. Em can't F wit Jay
@@seanmoore9878then why did eminem rap circles around jay z on the song?
The streets felt Jay verses more. Jay made Em cooler
Eminem and jay z got good lyrics on Renegade that's was awesome
used to think that too. But listening now. Jay Z is speaking facts in his verse. Em is doing make believe. Listening to Em is like watching a fun movie with no substance.
Sound like he hating on Jay-Z
Smh come on gipp can u out rap jay z this is what's wrong with the black community always bringing each other down
U can say that again truthfully I'm tired of doze convos
Jay must be coming out with a album soon 😂
I had similar thoughts 😂, I just thought Jay paying people to talk about him allegedly
@@KeithPullium-qm9ov I'm seeing way to many people including this dude talking about him lately 🤣😭
Gipp is a great story teller, I had almost forgotten about Goody Mob and how much I used to bump them back in the day.
We all know Em killed Jay on renegade
Jay-Z had to do something to this guy
Facts are facts yall love to make it seem like a person stating facts is a hater of some sort.
@@chitownmytownofficialonean6067 aint damn facts. Jay-Z was the hottest thing in the game when that song was made.
@@Zeus0886
Yeah he was the album is dope I can't take that from him but Gipp still stated facts.
Blow up and became bigger than life
Everybody doesn’t meatride Jay Z like other people do.
Of course Em's verses were better. Jay held his own tho and the song was dope.
That library exhibit got them in their feelings.
Why is he talking about Jay on every other interview. I'm convinced Jay hit his main chick back in the day or something.
Em definitely ate j up on that track 💯
I think that record helped both of them.
Meanwhile, none of us can name ONE Gippsland verse.
He has truly ruined his legacy to me with his ignorant opinions
Some NYC dude must've smashed his BM or something
Name 1 song Gipp hating ass had in the top 10
If renegade was on Em's album people would say Jay killed Em.
Alright enough is enough. GOODIE MOB is legendary. Big Gipp is not on NOBODY top anything list. Stop it.
We throw that “Legend” word around too much. He is a part of a legendary group. But nobody quoting Big Gipp verses.
Now I’ll proceed to get on his ass. His “Biggie only had two albums” take was embarrassing. Both albums were classics and one of those records WENT DIAMOND.
His Jay Z take is embarrassing. Jay Z was a superstar before Em even got a record deal. Stop it man.
It's Obvious this dude has a personal gripe with Jigga.. Jay prolly didn't holla or show love at an award show or something (who knows).. But each recent interview I've seen of dude he dry hating and slandering Jay-Z all in the title.. smh.. Nikka Move On.. lol.. Keeping that black man name all in your mouth in a disparaging way every interview is becoming mad CORNY!! And beneath Goodie Mob's southern hospitality..
Big Gipp REALLY hates NY but thats ok its his opinion. Theres alot TRASH artists in the south we can point out but for the sake of being polite we can skip dogging them out. Gipp is good for content though
He didn't lie tho
The South is probably the worst thing it happened to hip hop alot of their artist dumbed Hip Hop
@@jeanpayano1506 Don't get mad because New York fell off.
@jeanpayano1506 The South DOES have good artists BUT yes i agree the early 2000s had a TON of really medicore southern artists who contributed to the stupidfication of hip hop and help it become mainly a pop mainstream watered down movement.
Gipp is a professional hater Now. We all know Nas 100 times better than Pac
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Em had the better flow, jay had the better content. The caliber of bars are literally the same. It all depends on whether you like style or substance. When I was younger I thought Eminem did better, but now that I’m older I think jay edges it. Regardless, phenomenal collaboration.
I couldn't have said it better! Well said.
Why was his "content" better? Em talked about being despised and judged the same way Jay talked about the same but in relation to where he was raised. The content was the same....seems like you are trying to create a false narrative to give Jay more respect. The song is amazing regardless, but people cannot accept the fact that if you had to compare that Eminem for most was the better artist. Who gives af over opinions if you enjoy the music?
@@akaspon1 is this a joke? relisten to the verses. hilarious.
@@stephencox8723 What's funny? Em talked about the same general thing that Em talked about. What was so vastly different since what i said was so "shocking"? Em tlked about his influence on the music, people that hate or criticize him, etc.Jay talked about coming up in his env. What is so compelling content-wise coming from Jay???
@@akaspon1 see my last reply.
His old
Manager was from New York … he said them niggas hate nyc Lolol
Jay's verse better than Em's verse 🤷🏾♂️
Em does syllable schemes and if you think thats the best form of rapping then your gonna say Em but there are different styles to rapping.
Krayzie bone smoked Eminem on klash of the titans
No it's not even that. Em just had significantly better verses no matter how you slice it. Doesn't take away from Jay Z. It just is what it is. People should focus on how dope the song was tho more than who had the better verses. I think it's cool to have that debate or to talk about it but at some point, you gotta enjoy the damn song. I'm not even talking about the Renegade song anymore. I'm speaking in general. People focus so much on who had the better verse that they can't even enjoy the full song. I'm an artist myself & I never go into a song trying to out do anyone. I just try to deliver a dope verse and compliment the song well.
@@derrickhoward1543 I don't agree
“Eminem killed You on Your own $#*%”
@@derrickhoward1543your opinion lol jay stayed on topic. Em was off topic
Funny how the techinal shit is cool now... it wasn't when he was talking Big and Cube
Eminem grew up in the streets too, just like jayz, so middle America is not his “community” he just brought it there as people say. Even though I disagree with this, I went to school with 99% white people and they already were listening to Tupac, Biggie, Jay-z, Wu-tang clan etc.. I think Em is just a fkn genius rapper and did something no one heard before, he was fun, outrageous, talented with writing and rhyming words that had no business rhyming, and had this amazing flow when he spit. He still is all that and more. I hate it when people say that, they have no idea what we were listening to or liked. I’m a huge R&B fan. Liked some 80’s but mainly 90’s and early 2000’s of course.
Let me guess, more Jay hate 😂😂😂
Or more gipp truth
ITS THE TRUTH GROUPIE ASS NICCA!!! FUC GAY Z
Are you saying Jay Z is a better rapper than Eminem cause if you are then I highly recommend that you commit yourself to an Insane Asylum.
U know it
Sooo is everybody's opinion suppose to be like yours or can they have their own without it being called HATE? 🤔🤫
Jay 2 verses actually very good, but when u put the a reg flow with a fast multi syllable flow the contrast is so different. If Jay would’ve did that song by himself it would’ve still been a hit. Also, the same thing happened with Em and Big on “Dead Wrong”
Facts
Jay z's an incredible rapper no doubt about it but jay had 3 verses on renegade while em had only 2 and em still smoked him.
@@johnpaulduffy7264Yeah, frfr
Hell nah BIG killed that shit. I had to change it when Eminem came on there talking all that angry white kid shit
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Bro I’ve never heard a 3rd verse from Jay on any rendition of a released Renegade song!
Music is supposed to be universal. To me his opinion is right about Em. Last night at the 50 concert in Nashville it was way more White people than blacks and to me that is more of 50 alliance with Em than his rapping ability. The concert was 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥. Busta Rhymes...Spliff Star...Jeremih...50 thank you all for a 💯 performance
I don’t agree. Eminem cannot make JayZ “cooler” because HipHop made Eminem cooler.
Eminem is not bigger than HipHop. White//middle America have been watching and listening to the hiphop (Black) culture
Jay Z has always been great at aligning himself with the right rappers on tracks. Drake does the same thing.
Nah
In another part of the same interview he said biggie cant be better than ice cube because biggie only had to album. So if we're gonna use that logic then jayz is the greatest rapper of all time because he has 14 solo albums and 3 collaborative albums which all went platinum. But he always seem to discredit jayz every time someone brings up his name.
There was more to his Icecube statement than Cube just having more albums
@@bowlerfamilyyup there was. But bottom line. Dude is a hater. Hates all New York for some reason. I also agree with Ice Cube being a bigger icon. Music movies, basketball etc. Dude has solidified himself. However, pound for pound. Cube couldn't touch Biggie lyrically. Even though Big past away before he could really make his mark. The music he did put out there was dope and alot of rappers wasn't on his level. That's a fact and Gipp would never admit that because he's a hates NY and NY rappers. He'll say a positive comment just so it doesn't seem like there's hate. But that's BS. He needs to let it go!!
@@logics71this Art dude needs to stop giving this fuckboy a platform to bump his soup-coolers. Notice, he don’t ask this goofy nigga nothing about his own music.
Right gipp is a 🤡
@logics71 Cube verse on Grande Finale is no punk. Lyrically he's a beast. Tales From the Darkside is crazy. He dumbed it down with that West Side BS but early Cube held his own with Chuck D and Kane.
Gipp gives plenty of props to NY cats. Not everybody bang with Jigger nor do they have to.
Gipp hater yo first biggie now Jay .. a broad from Ny prolly broke his heart
Stop meat eating cause it was eminem song him and Royce the 59 so cut it out gipp is hating jay bodied that
💯agree
How in the world does Em make Jay kooler really do you mind elaborating on that foolish statement, please get him to explain that one ..
This guy Art asks these stupid questions to Gip the NY hater and here you go!
I’m from Marcy born and raised this is big facts. Em killed him on his own track. That was the talk around New York during that time.
That's not his track tho facts is that it was Eminem song wit Royse the 5'9 Jay got on the track later
@rgaskari2695 ok but it was on jays album
EM did ok. I’ve heard better.
Nobody was saying that till nas put it on a record
It literally didn’t become a thing until Nas said it on Ether
S/0 to the most disappointed rapper now he's busy pointing the finger at everyone else 😌
So Big Gip when the new album dropping?
Gipp🤓: .................................💡 Eminem made Jay-Z cool
Eminem didnt even have to change his verse and still murdered Jay
Y’all jayz nut huggers say the most idiotic nonsense 😂😂😂😂😂
We NEED JAYZ on this platform.
This is foolish talk😅
"eMinEm MaDe jAyZ cOolEr"
Get this country bumpkin outta here...😅😅😅😂
Facts 😂😂😂😂
Gipp a whole clown. Don’t know how this nigga qualified to even speak Biggie or Jay’s name. FOH
All facts
Smh, we get it Gipp.. You don't rock with NY rappers like that. Every chance you get, you try to diminish Jay & BIG.
To keep it a buck, we can blame nas for this debate going back to ether because he’s the one that said “Eminem murdered you on ya own s***” which started this 😂😂 but kanye on the last call on the college dropout said that when he gave the this can’t be life beat to j, he wanted the simple version of j, not the complicated or introspective j, and that’s what we got from j on renegade, which is no big deal and to be honest if it wasn’t for the nas and j beef, this wouldn’t even be a discussion, nas remark solidified em status in the game and made people go back and analyze how em completely killed the track, Obie trice even said that when em got renegade back from j, he was kinda relieved because of the potential j could’ve done to the song and if it was reversed where j killed it and em was subpar, ain’t no tellin how that could’ve affected em career, remember the blueprint came out in 01 and this is still a debate to this day, that’s legendary!
For us that heard the original Renegade, we never considered the 2nd.