Pies supporter here , love your work .. good luck with the rebuild .. your turn will come .. Hayley Reid will be a star ,he is a gun now ... Good luck in the rest of the season.
Games like that are better when Derm is on comms. Since GC last year noticed he always finds positives. Talks through effort and intent, doesn’t try to sensationalise. Was genuinely chuffed when Ryan did a thing after mentioning he was quiet the minute before. Big wraps for some measured commentary while we are building.
He's slightly better these days but he's always been a wanker trying to sound like he knows more than what he does, he wasn't called the Kid for nothing, roundly despised by journos and other players alike for his off field antics back in the day.
@@steve8510 there’s a story (unsure if completely true) about him clocking someone at the very start of a grannie/final. Was sent out on the field with the message no silly free’s and no silly 50’s. At the whistle, bang, 50 and goal. Runner goes out asking for an explanation, Derm says the lad was mouthing off at his sister. Runner says, but Derm - you don’t have a sister.. While I appreciate he’s been what he’s been before, I’m a hurting Eagles fan that’s had to sit three hours of shit on a Sunday afternoon for far too long. So you’ve something considered to say about the boys I’m all for it. Doesn’t bang on about Harley all day too. Next time he’s on, keep half an ear out - is good.
This is where we are at. We are 10 times better but still significantly below AFL average. I think this game we didn’t have enough leaders on the field. Reid plays better with Yeo, he looked lost without his mentor. Not enjoying the fact we don’t seem to have a game plan coming out of our defensive 50. Apart from 2-3 times we kick out to the left and hope for the best.
Without a decent ruckman and Yeo, we have the worse inside mids in the league. That's where the games are won and lost. Ginbey is really a half back having to play on.a wing or centre when he isn't ready. Ledwards isn't good enough yet. I reckon Duggan Hunt or even Cole! needed to be in there to provide physical presence in the middle. I'd have Hall in next week. Maybe Culley if recovered or Gaff. I think that the coach will make those changes. Melbourne will smash us as they have the best mids in the game and they are actually physical. Our forwards will get smashed next week. We won't have any defenders apart from Barrass with the other young defenders all injured. Good luck.
we're a bottom three team obviously. but we're below the tipping point with injuries. yeo and mcgovern have carried us, whereas we haven't had them for last couple of years. If mcgovern is unavailable, then its only barras as a tall defender. Bazzo Jamieson and I think Hedwards are all injured now (5 disposals for Hedwards signals something).
In middle BWilliams Sheed Kelly and Reid will be smashed. That's why you need Duggan, Cole, Hall or even Ginbey to try to create physical pressure. Though Ginbey and Cole are obviously more defenders. Eagles rely very heavily on Yeo and without him we're in strife. When Flynn comes in with B Williams and Allen able to play upforward, then it will help the structure. But you take a good ruckman and Yeo out, and you see how below average the Eagles mids are. We all know that.
Hard agree on Witherden. Best game I've seen him play for us, I've usually been a little underwhelmed but was impressed by his effort and execution. I think Jake being out hurt us more than just scoreboard impact. His workrate and effort further up the field is massive is hard to see on the TV, but live you can see how much he offers.
I agree with your assessment Alex. The Pies were missing Jamie Elliott, Jordan De Goey, Brody Mihocek, Beau McCreery, Lachie Schultz, and Tom Mitchell, the Eagles also had a their fair share of senior players out. Both teams had the misfortune of loosing senior players through the match with injuries. I really thought the Eagles played well in patches, but they lost clearances at the centre bounces, to be expected with a developing squad. The Eagles were far more consistent this time than when we met last season. I was looking forward to watching the young star Harley Reid. Being compared to Nick Daicos by the MSM was total BS, and unfair, it placed to much pressure on the young bloke to perform. Without appearing patronising I enjoyed the contest. Best of luck for the remainder of the season, the competition needs a good performing West Coast.
Went to the game. Was fairly happy with the effort, despite the eventual scoreline. Didn't have any commentary filling my head with ideas, but as I saw it - our defensive line is actually doing a very good job. Many times today they were helpless against quick clearance from the midfield, but most would be. Mids were below the standard tbh, a few good efforts but totally dacked at stoppage. And the forwards didn't get too much of a look but between them and the mids the opportunity for scoring just wasn't generated. CWood's defence was top notch, so I acknowledge they had some say in it, but they weren't asked to work that hard. In short, most problems are just a manifestation of a subpar midfield, which we already know we can't magically speed up in development. Even some of the criticism I've seen about not having a clear plan coming out of defence I think is just another face of the same issue. So, I also sit comfortable too (in the discomfort of seeing our team not represent itself like itself). It's not a big mystery or myriad of problems. It's redeemable with the right approach and a bit of luck.
I looked at the contrasting factors in this game, and the two sides in general. Collingwood are the reigning premier, we are the reigning wooden spooners if you can call it that. Even with Collingwood's outs, they still have a very good core 22 with or without them, they have considerable depth and experience that we simply lacked. As hard as it was at times, I genuinely and consciously tempered that with reality that this is a very young side that we fielded today. It may sound like a cliche, but I am prepared for games like this, and it is my genuine belief that they will take a lot of learning from matches like this, and that in time it will help these players to develop. I do not see us collectively lowering our colours which in 2023, it genuinely felt like that was the case in more than one match last year. I do feel that they simply had more experience, more depth, and more weapons to draw from than we had available. Feeling very concerned for Gov having worked in radiology and medical imaging, I cannot help but wonder how much punishment this man's ribs can take... this isn't the first time he has had a rib injury like this before, far from it.
I was predicting a 100 point loss and maybe again next week. With luck, after that, we have a few games where we could be competitive, especially if we get Yeo and Waterman back. To me that's the most telling month of footy for the Eagles
CBA's kinda get skewed in a game like yesterday's because we had about 6 goals in 10 minutes at one stage, but also 6 goals for the 2nd half. So Sheed was in centre for 4/6 in Q1, 6/10 in Q2, 1/4 in Q3, 0/4 in Q4. Was on the wing for 0/6 in Q1, 2/10 in Q2, 1/4 in Q3, 3/4 in Q4. Looks like it was a starting 3 of TK, Harley and Sheed, with Rube rotating in, with Hunt and Chess on wings. Change came in the 2nd quarter after the Crisp goal 48-19, Luke Edwards went into middle, Sheed went to the wing, Rube was still rotating through centre but also wing, with Hunt moved back to cover gov. Chess stayed on wing, then in 2nd half Duggan was in all CBA's. In one centre bounce we had midfield line up of Jack Williams, Duggan, Edwards, Sheed with HJ and Chess on the wings :/
With Culley working on his forward / mid craft hopefully he can step in for Sheed, Burgiel man I really wanna find a spot for this kid one day.... Keep building Hall and its good the WAFL boys have Gaff to give them direction... Maric will get better with age also and hopefully Hewett gets 6-7 games after the bye...
Depth is an issue, we are still a bottom 3 team. But we are completely different to last year. I agree, look at the vics giving Richmond all the excuses when that has been our last 2 years
Pies backs the same as the flag…. No Nathan Murphy, Howe injured early. Two very big outs. The media are scumbags for comparing Reid to Daicos. Such different players. I look forward to watching both for years to come.
I didn't take this one well honestly expected more effort, poor hough getting taken high had the ball for like half a second and gets called a free against. summed up the whole game tbh
We're past the tipping point with injuries considering our lack of depth. I thought it would be a 10 goal belting and was hoping it wouldn't be 15 goal plus. Our midfield is really ordinary when Yeo or a decent ruckman isn't playing. We're having to take from somewhere else which then causes further problems. We've got more injuries now so could be humiliated against Melbourne which is in far better form than Collingwood currently.
@@BDub2024 it's just tough watching after the decent string of games we had. I barley noticed anyone chase or make a lead it's starting to get concerning
@@BigUps147 I'm not surprised. The signs have been there for a few weeks, plus losing those players are huge. Look at the forward line. No Allen No BWilliams No Waterman No Long... then you have Ryan and Darling out of form. Of course we'll be smashed up forward. B Williams as a ruckman will be smashed most weeks meaning that our mids need to be defensive. But none of the guys have a defensive mindset they're all front runners. They should have had Duggan and some of his defensive colleagues in there really. Take a few key players out and this is what you get. Stay tuned what will happen to our defence this week. No McGovern and there will be no one apart from Barrass to play as a tall defender. So do you play Hough as centre half back? Or Hunt? This guys will be giving away 10cm and aren't key poition players. It will keep on until the midseason break.
@@aymallis203 Eagles had more players out and a lack of depth. 10 goals was about right. But lack of competitiveness in first half was a huge worry. Remember in the Sydney game last year the team was stronger with Yeo Shuey Hewitt Allen Petch... no Mcgovern. Yet we got thumped by 171. If we don't lift our competitiveness in the middle then it could be a humiliation against Melb.
"Collingwood's backline was its GF backline" ?????? Really? I know your searching for positives but, i'm not sure if you noticed Murphy not there, Howe at the other end of the ground, Noble didnt play gf and played back pocket today and Sidebottom played half back.Frampton didnt play back in the gf either.Your senior players in the centre and forward line only try when it suits. Sorry.
Ryan Darling Sheed Kelly were passengers will not teach young players anything, with efforts like that drop three back to WAFL play Kelly half back make him work, and run.
Because he played the game and has a innate feel for it. Not all of the non-playing commentators are bad but some of them are fucking woeful. That and the fact he isn't partisan.
Yeah I agree, not disappointed today. I was always going to happen this way today. These games are going to happen this season. I think they actually needed this game to get a reality check.
I am on this take. We got slaughtered by Collingwood going from inside to out where they were awesome. I thought it was the best game this year from Witherden, Liam Ryan looked much better in the second half and both Duggan and Barrass were good. Harley is a power athlete and I think he will get stronger with improved fitness over the next couple of seasons. The Nick Daicos comparisons annoy me, they are completely different to each other. Comparing to Dusty or even Christian Petracca are more useful but again, Harley has played 8 games. We are still probably a class midfielder short so the draft this year will be interesting.
Hi Mate I like your reviews here good balanced approach, just a comment if i may to maybe get you to look at the reason our windmen are not getting a lot of the football, it was a comment that simpson made a few weeks ago, that the modern day wingmen don't always get a lot of the ball , however they do a lot of running that on the TV you maybe dont notice, so the likes of Greg clark, edwards, sheed even rebin , don't get that many touches, but do a lot of running and even i was surprised when i looked at the eagles stats and notice Edwards is very quick and covers a lot of the ground. that been said Dom Sheed is and will have that foot problem , that will not get a 100% better, so i believe this will shorten his career along with Barass with his spine injury now. keep up the good work, i like hearing your info here.
Was at the game and tbh in the first half I felt our effort could've been better. A lot of players standing around, not being first to the ball. A lot of it is Collingwood etc are just smarter with those little things, whereas often we look like wafl/vfl level. Need to work on that. Some of it is instinct but a lot is training and system.
Also Reid is a gun that really needs to be played on the half back like daicos, but because of injuries he is forced into the coal face. Just hope he doesn’t get injured with too much work.
Watching this as a pies fan, I think you’re right to be positive. That match could’ve been messy, and it honestly wasn’t. Were you playing great footy? No, obviously not, but you were pretty noble in defeat. That was the performance of a club that’s actually rebuilding. I was frustrated in that third quarter, because it felt pretty even. Margin was probably about right in the end, but it was far from a piss poor performance, like what we saw the eagles do a few times last year. A solid match from a footy club that’s admittedly got a ways to go yet, but you probably can’t have asked for too much more.
Fantastic honest assessment, still so many inexperienced AFL players that can't be blamed for the loss. At the end of the day things are on the improve with every game. Hard to put West Coast up against Collingwood and expect a miracle. Good to see we won the last quarter. Gov was a big out. The big problem with mature age recruiting is it is very hit and miss and mostly short term
But why do we have such a shit list and Collingwood have a great list? Both played gf 2018. Some people at eagles have made huge mistakes and is not getting better any time soon
@fire_titan5735 I don't think we have a shit list by any stretch, just in experienced, Collingwood may be in a world of hurt when their veterans retire too, much like West Coast. West Coast was unfortunate to lose a few through concussion, which you can't plan for and we had a horrid run of injuries. Collingwood, like all Victorian clubs, do nowhere near the amount of travel that WA and QLD teams do, which has such an effect on longevity
@@seanchristie7150 I believe injuries we have incurred for the past few years attributes mostly to the eagles management. From trading, strength management and coaching. After decades of success while travelling more than any other team it's safe to say it isn't the reason for injuries the past few years. Collingwood traded much better than we have since 2018 and we have had better picks. Until there is real change in the club the rebuild will not begin
@@seanchristie7150 no I got your point with travel you think that it hinders them in the long run.. my point is that for decades we have travelled successfully.. now management has gone to shit we suddenly suck at travel.. see what I'm getting at? You are pointing out the problems and I am pointing out the cause of the problems. If you are successful at something then suddenly terrible at it.. you need to look at the way you are managing it.. you'd rather blame bad luck and Victorian clubs getting it better. As you said we all see things differently. For me the rebuild will not even begin until management is overhauled
Shows everyone how much we missed Yeo. We need more depth, through drafting. When we fumble & turnover, it's infectious and yes Collingwood hunt in packs around the ball and follow up around the ground. We got killed with the ball in tight and they'd inturn, not fumble and play keep me off from the congestion. Their forward line was at its weakest most likely for the year. But easy and regular entries in space, sorted that.
We've gone over the tipping point with injuris. I think Yeo Flynn and Allen are massive losses for our balance. We were getting smashed last year without Yeo and a top ruckman, and we were even then lucky to have Shuey at times. Kelly Sheed and Williams plus kid won't cut it. McGovern injured, Bazzo/Jamieson injured and Hedwards barely touched the ball in WAFL (possibly injjury). We will struggle to cover Melbourne's height. Hopefully Waterman will be available up forward. But B Williams has been amazingly resilient and battled on. If he goes down then its Barnett and Livingstone. Ouch.
@@BDub2024 pretty obvious also, having a WAFL Eagles side, also pretty lacking in depth and always being cellar dwellers in the comp. Doesn't help us, when we are getting injuries. It's the one real major difference between Vic Clubs and alot of interstate teams in the AFL atm is their depth between AFL/VFL and also the amount of new young talent, coming through the system. Also it's very hard, for us to hide talent and wait for them through the Draft here, because the Vic's have scouts, eyes and ears everywhere.
@@owendavies7452 Its the WAFL's fault that the Eagles reserves aren't competitive. It will bite them because the Eagles will have their WAFL reserves play in Victoria or SA and they'll be able to recruit whatever players they want. So will be able to take good WAFL players from other WAFL clubs.
@@owendavies7452 Remember the other Victorian clubs can't use most of the players in their reserves team either. But the difference is that they can recruit who they want to their reserves team, whereas the Eagles are restricted.
I am similarly positive, hoping that we get some guys back in next 2 weeks to bolster the team and the wafl. Culley played well yesterday mid/fwd. We will also struggle away from Home badly for the next couple of years. We got smashed by the same margin with waterman and yeo 2 weeks ago. Need to survive away trips and enjoy more competitiveness at home. These injuries again ffs!!! Seems to be across all teams atm tho Carn the eagles
seriously they should have cut him lose years ago and traded the seniors players then as well. collingwood did it a couple years after losing the premiership
@@aymallis203 cut him loose years ago? It wasn't that long after they won the Grand final, I think his a good coach, let's see how things work out 😊 I would trade him for our coach for sure
Wow, this was fast, was expecting this tomorrow. It was not going to go well, going up against Collingwood, so this result, shocking at first, was expected. West Coast is still developing, and Collingwood is well developed. I am also quite worried about whether Adam Simpson is worried about his careers that he is making dodgy decisions. He seems to be trying to push players to stand and perform when they haven't proven themselves in premiership level. I am not saying fire him, because at this point the talk of dismissal may be what's causing the problems. People have short term memory and will probably treat this as Eagles falling away for the season, media in the West is brutal. This will be an extraordinarily long week at Lathlain Park.
I think you're exagerating the talent in the team. The injuries are really hurting us, as we lack so much depth. Without a good tap ruckman and Yeo, we will get smashed. Sheed Kelly Ginbey Reid just won't cut it. Really Duggan should be in there when Yeo isn't there. That's obvious. Even another player like Hunt with size and experience. Simpson has had a great year coaching, but the injuries have tipped us over. We could get humiliated at home against Melbourne. A real concern as their midfield and clearance players are number one in the league. Their defenders that control the air, so we may struggle to kick goals as our forwards are below standard. If McGovern is unavialable, then there is no one to play the second tall defender. Bazzo Jamieson injuried. Hedwards appears to have got an injury from WAFL.
I know the margin looks terrible but I actually thought we competed reasonably well and we had a crack. It wasn't as bad as the margin looks and the margin can be a little bit deceiving. I thought we completed well in general plate we just like polish going forward and we broke down at centre half forward I think tactically we probably couldn't do much different but I would've liked to seen a few changes but overall I'm still happy with the direction that we're going in last year. We were getting flogged by 100 points on a very regular basis. At least now we are competing and sometimes when you compete, you're going to turn the ball over in crucial spots, but that's okay
Missed the game because of mothers day but some random thoughts: - harry edwards for gov and culley for petch please. - yeo for sheed and waterman for ledwards if fit - gov should wear some sort of padded vest - heaven help our wafl team with these injuries mounting - all things considering, good game barass, witherden, cole and Duggan,
Dom is a legend of the club, but not only should he not be in the 22 from now on, he should arguably be delisted. Cannot win games of football with someone who ruins defensive structures because of how poor his workrate is. Same knocks on TK but at least he's potent offensively.
You have to understand, I’m a mad pies supporter, and the pies put a cue in the rack after half time, there is definitely a gap, but once your young blokes get more game time it will fall into place. Pies have found good form now so don’t be discouraged.
I didn't see the game. But at this stage he should really be half back and is being given more responsibility than he is ready for. Remember Ed Allen got picked as an early pick by Collingwood and he has barely played a game yet. I see Ginbey as half back and wing. Not inside mid as he has a turning circle of a tractor. Its only his second season. At the end of 2026 season it will be possible to make a call, and even then he'll still be a youngster. I think your expectations are too high, don't believe all the hype from The West.
Good second half..Ryan slowly worked.into the game. Witherden and the back six were ok given the onslaught. Sheed is not about to find pace. Game has gone past him. TK sub par. Reid ok. B. Williams terrible. Johnston and Dewar deserve more games. There were positives but at times i found it very hard to watch
GG's man tough game but you lads are gonna come good. surprised on the amount of Harley Reid hate you've seen, kids a gun (I will say he did shrug a tackle and the commentary seemed to glaze him for the next few minutes, regardless hate the commentary and the media, not the player).
@@TrueEagleAFL yeah bigfooty is a dark place haha theres a reason I don’t go there during the regular season unless its the sack Hinkley thread after a particularly embarrassing port loss
Very difficult to accept all of that when you're surrounded by their supporters and they are still booing anyone lining up for goal when they were 11 goals ahead!!!
Predictable result. We're crawling to the midseason bye with injuries and our side lacking depth. With a struggling ruckman and Yeo out then our midfield will be massively exposed in contested possession. Just look at the last two years. I would always have Duggan or another defensive mid (Cole) in there just to provide physical pressure. We know last year that Williams Kelly Sheed plus youngster were getting smashed in the middle in centre clearances. Hall should be in with physicality. Maybe Culley if ready. Gaff or Hedwards if fit.
Okay sure, I get the optimism, hell; I kinda agree. Where I get frustrated is watching premiership players second to the ball, selling out their teammates, making dumb ill-disciplined mistakes/decisions (Sheed w/ 50m, Cripps last game), and not tackling/chasing/being out-hustled. These are all inexcusable and we need to stop accepting it. Sheed was god awful, TK lowered his colours, Ryan looks so underdone it's not funny, Edwards bless his heart doesn't look cut out for AFL footy. Chesser when played inside was actually pretty solid and we need to play him there more. Ginbey was completely overwhelmed and lacked composure as an inside midfielder but played much better as a halfback (where he should play moving forward). Harley was good, got stuck a few times doing too much, but still such a stud. Bailey Williams simply isn't AFL level as a ruck and prob as a fwd. We need to have way higher intensity in the contest, we simply can't rely purely on Yeoy to do it all as a 2 way player. His body won't be able to take it. The rest of the kids looked pretty good. TB can be excused for being average in the first half, vale Cam McCarthy
When do we stop being positive about 10 goal floggings? When do we let eagles management know they have let this club down? When do we as the fans and investors demand an overhaul?
as a pie support uss are getting better. use guys should have trade and let go some of your senior players years ago and your coach. unfortunately your only just starting the rebuild now.
Considering how many Collingwood had out/on bench thought we would be a bit more competitive. Collingwoods pressure certainly stunned us. Reid needs more help, certainly missed yeo. Sheed and Ryan need more time in wafl.
We had our best two forwards out Allen ( capt ) and Waterman Best mid out Yeo Best ruck out Flynn Plus Long and Hewett best 22 Against pies in Melbourne Got what we expected i would've thought
Coby burgiel 24 disposals 0 turnovers, culley 26 d 2 goals. These boys gotta replace sheed and luke
Agree, Burgiel at halfback excites me a lot. Clay Hall in a couple of weeks could could be exciting as well if he has a breakout WAFL game
Agree culley in. Burgiel is interesting.
Pies supporter here , love your work .. good luck with the rebuild .. your turn will come .. Hayley Reid will be a star ,he is a gun now ... Good luck in the rest of the season.
Harley!
GO THE PIES!!!!
@@johnmeehan1124 correct,I'm over 50 ... The eyes are that great 😃
Games like that are better when Derm is on comms. Since GC last year noticed he always finds positives. Talks through effort and intent, doesn’t try to sensationalise. Was genuinely chuffed when Ryan did a thing after mentioning he was quiet the minute before. Big wraps for some measured commentary while we are building.
I agree derm has genuine insight
He's slightly better these days but he's always been a wanker trying to sound like he knows more than what he does, he wasn't called the Kid for nothing, roundly despised by journos and other players alike for his off field antics back in the day.
Agree, I have usually hated listening to his self indulgent drivel. But you are spot on today, and seems to be generally improving
Seems like he is taking less crack than usual
@@steve8510 there’s a story (unsure if completely true) about him clocking someone at the very start of a grannie/final. Was sent out on the field with the message no silly free’s and no silly 50’s. At the whistle, bang, 50 and goal. Runner goes out asking for an explanation, Derm says the lad was mouthing off at his sister. Runner says, but Derm - you don’t have a sister..
While I appreciate he’s been what he’s been before, I’m a hurting Eagles fan that’s had to sit three hours of shit on a Sunday afternoon for far too long. So you’ve something considered to say about the boys I’m all for it. Doesn’t bang on about Harley all day too.
Next time he’s on, keep half an ear out - is good.
Pies fan. Absolutely love Harley and wish he played for us.
This is where we are at. We are 10 times better but still significantly below AFL average.
I think this game we didn’t have enough leaders on the field. Reid plays better with Yeo, he looked lost without his mentor. Not enjoying the fact we don’t seem to have a game plan coming out of our defensive 50. Apart from 2-3 times we kick out to the left and hope for the best.
Without a decent ruckman and Yeo, we have the worse inside mids in the league. That's where the games are won and lost. Ginbey is really a half back having to play on.a wing or centre when he isn't ready. Ledwards isn't good enough yet. I reckon Duggan Hunt or even Cole! needed to be in there to provide physical presence in the middle. I'd have Hall in next week. Maybe Culley if recovered or Gaff. I think that the coach will make those changes. Melbourne will smash us as they have the best mids in the game and they are actually physical. Our forwards will get smashed next week. We won't have any defenders apart from Barrass with the other young defenders all injured. Good luck.
Like your optimism Jesse. For some reason thought the score might be closer, but we’re still a fair way off the mark.
we're a bottom three team obviously. but we're below the tipping point with injuries. yeo and mcgovern have carried us, whereas we haven't had them for last couple of years. If mcgovern is unavailable, then its only barras as a tall defender. Bazzo Jamieson and I think Hedwards are all injured now (5 disposals for Hedwards signals something).
In middle BWilliams Sheed Kelly and Reid will be smashed. That's why you need Duggan, Cole, Hall or even Ginbey to try to create physical pressure. Though Ginbey and Cole are obviously more defenders. Eagles rely very heavily on Yeo and without him we're in strife. When Flynn comes in with B Williams and Allen able to play upforward, then it will help the structure. But you take a good ruckman and Yeo out, and you see how below average the Eagles mids are. We all know that.
Love the breakdown well done good balance.
Nice analysis, really enjoyed your review.
Hard agree on Witherden. Best game I've seen him play for us, I've usually been a little underwhelmed but was impressed by his effort and execution. I think Jake being out hurt us more than just scoreboard impact. His workrate and effort further up the field is massive is hard to see on the TV, but live you can see how much he offers.
Very good summary. Well done
I agree with your assessment Alex. The Pies were missing Jamie Elliott, Jordan De Goey, Brody Mihocek, Beau McCreery, Lachie Schultz, and Tom Mitchell, the Eagles also had a their fair share of senior players out. Both teams had the misfortune of loosing senior players through the match with injuries. I really thought the Eagles played well in patches, but they lost clearances at the centre bounces, to be expected with a developing squad. The Eagles were far more consistent this time than when we met last season. I was looking forward to watching the young star Harley Reid. Being compared to Nick Daicos by the MSM was total BS, and unfair, it placed to much pressure on the young bloke to perform. Without appearing patronising I enjoyed the contest. Best of luck for the remainder of the season, the competition needs a good performing West Coast.
Went to the game. Was fairly happy with the effort, despite the eventual scoreline.
Didn't have any commentary filling my head with ideas, but as I saw it - our defensive line is actually doing a very good job. Many times today they were helpless against quick clearance from the midfield, but most would be. Mids were below the standard tbh, a few good efforts but totally dacked at stoppage. And the forwards didn't get too much of a look but between them and the mids the opportunity for scoring just wasn't generated. CWood's defence was top notch, so I acknowledge they had some say in it, but they weren't asked to work that hard.
In short, most problems are just a manifestation of a subpar midfield, which we already know we can't magically speed up in development. Even some of the criticism I've seen about not having a clear plan coming out of defence I think is just another face of the same issue. So, I also sit comfortable too (in the discomfort of seeing our team not represent itself like itself). It's not a big mystery or myriad of problems. It's redeemable with the right approach and a bit of luck.
I looked at the contrasting factors in this game, and the two sides in general. Collingwood are the reigning premier, we are the reigning wooden spooners if you can call it that.
Even with Collingwood's outs, they still have a very good core 22 with or without them, they have considerable depth and experience that we simply lacked.
As hard as it was at times, I genuinely and consciously tempered that with reality that this is a very young side that we fielded today.
It may sound like a cliche, but I am prepared for games like this, and it is my genuine belief that they will take a lot of learning from matches like this, and that in time it will help these players to develop.
I do not see us collectively lowering our colours which in 2023, it genuinely felt like that was the case in more than one match last year.
I do feel that they simply had more experience, more depth, and more weapons to draw from than we had available.
Feeling very concerned for Gov having worked in radiology and medical imaging, I cannot help but wonder how much punishment this man's ribs can take... this isn't the first time he has had a rib injury like this before, far from it.
I was predicting a 100 point loss and maybe again next week. With luck, after that, we have a few games where we could be competitive, especially if we get Yeo and Waterman back. To me that's the most telling month of footy for the Eagles
CBA's kinda get skewed in a game like yesterday's because we had about 6 goals in 10 minutes at one stage, but also 6 goals for the 2nd half. So Sheed was in centre for 4/6 in Q1, 6/10 in Q2, 1/4 in Q3, 0/4 in Q4. Was on the wing for 0/6 in Q1, 2/10 in Q2, 1/4 in Q3, 3/4 in Q4.
Looks like it was a starting 3 of TK, Harley and Sheed, with Rube rotating in, with Hunt and Chess on wings. Change came in the 2nd quarter after the Crisp goal 48-19, Luke Edwards went into middle, Sheed went to the wing, Rube was still rotating through centre but also wing, with Hunt moved back to cover gov. Chess stayed on wing, then in 2nd half Duggan was in all CBA's.
In one centre bounce we had midfield line up of Jack Williams, Duggan, Edwards, Sheed with HJ and Chess on the wings :/
With Culley working on his forward / mid craft hopefully he can step in for Sheed, Burgiel man I really wanna find a spot for this kid one day.... Keep building Hall and its good the WAFL boys have Gaff to give them direction... Maric will get better with age also and hopefully Hewett gets 6-7 games after the bye...
Depth is an issue, we are still a bottom 3 team. But we are completely different to last year. I agree, look at the vics giving Richmond all the excuses when that has been our last 2 years
Pies backs the same as the flag….
No Nathan Murphy, Howe injured early.
Two very big outs.
The media are scumbags for comparing Reid to Daicos. Such different players. I look forward to watching both for years to come.
No Jamie Elliott, Jordan De Goey, Brody Mihocek, Beau McCreery, Lachie Schultz, and Tom Mitchell. GoPies
Jesse, any chance of a mid season draft preview and what if anything we should be looking for?
I didn't take this one well honestly expected more effort, poor hough getting taken high had the ball for like half a second and gets called a free against. summed up the whole game tbh
We're past the tipping point with injuries considering our lack of depth. I thought it would be a 10 goal belting and was hoping it wouldn't be 15 goal plus. Our midfield is really ordinary when Yeo or a decent ruckman isn't playing. We're having to take from somewhere else which then causes further problems. We've got more injuries now so could be humiliated against Melbourne which is in far better form than Collingwood currently.
@@BDub2024 it's just tough watching after the decent string of games we had. I barley noticed anyone chase or make a lead it's starting to get concerning
@@BigUps147 I'm not surprised. The signs have been there for a few weeks, plus losing those players are huge. Look at the forward line. No Allen No BWilliams No Waterman No Long... then you have Ryan and Darling out of form. Of course we'll be smashed up forward. B Williams as a ruckman will be smashed most weeks meaning that our mids need to be defensive. But none of the guys have a defensive mindset they're all front runners. They should have had Duggan and some of his defensive colleagues in there really. Take a few key players out and this is what you get. Stay tuned what will happen to our defence this week. No McGovern and there will be no one apart from Barrass to play as a tall defender. So do you play Hough as centre half back? Or Hunt? This guys will be giving away 10cm and aren't key poition players. It will keep on until the midseason break.
i think 10 goals isn’t to bad even with all the pies senior players out
@@aymallis203 Eagles had more players out and a lack of depth. 10 goals was about right. But lack of competitiveness in first half was a huge worry. Remember in the Sydney game last year the team was stronger with Yeo Shuey Hewitt Allen Petch... no Mcgovern. Yet we got thumped by 171. If we don't lift our competitiveness in the middle then it could be a humiliation against Melb.
I really liked duggo and especially Alex witherden they both had their best games of the year I thought
"Collingwood's backline was its GF backline" ?????? Really? I know your searching for positives but, i'm not sure if you noticed Murphy not there, Howe at the other end of the ground, Noble didnt play gf and played back pocket today and Sidebottom played half back.Frampton didnt play back in the gf either.Your senior players in the centre and forward line only try when it suits. Sorry.
Collingwood is about to fall off the cliff.... only decent young player is Diacos
Good luck rebuilding when Tassie come in
@@numynumevs If Joe Richards, Fin Macrae and Lachie Sullivan are no good then West Coast are in bigger trouble than everyone thinks.
@@numynumevs If Fin Macrae, Joe Richards and Lachie Sullivan are no good then West Coast are in more trouble than what is being let on.
I agree there lucky the pies didn’t completely smash them.
Ryan Darling Sheed Kelly were passengers will not teach young players anything, with efforts like that drop three
back to WAFL play Kelly half back make him work, and run.
Has anyone in the U.S. been able to watch full matches lately? I was able to until recently and now it says it’s not available in your region.
Alex W is underrated 😊
Derm does the best commentary
Because he played the game and has a innate feel for it. Not all of the non-playing commentators are bad but some of them are fucking woeful. That and the fact he isn't partisan.
In the press conference right after the game Simmo confirmed tyrell dewar will play next week
Yeah I agree, not disappointed today. I was always going to happen this way today. These games are going to happen this season. I think they actually needed this game to get a reality check.
I am on this take. We got slaughtered by Collingwood going from inside to out where they were awesome. I thought it was the best game this year from Witherden, Liam Ryan looked much better in the second half and both Duggan and Barrass were good. Harley is a power athlete and I think he will get stronger with improved fitness over the next couple of seasons. The Nick Daicos comparisons annoy me, they are completely different to each other. Comparing to Dusty or even Christian Petracca are more useful but again, Harley has played 8 games. We are still probably a class midfielder short so the draft this year will be interesting.
Hi Mate
I like your reviews here good balanced approach, just a comment if i may to maybe get you to look at the reason our windmen are not getting a lot of the football, it was a comment that simpson made a few weeks ago, that the modern day wingmen don't always get a lot of the ball , however they do a lot of running that on the TV you maybe dont notice, so the likes of Greg clark, edwards, sheed even rebin , don't get that many touches, but do a lot of running and even i was surprised when i looked at the eagles stats and notice Edwards is very quick and covers a lot of the ground. that been said Dom Sheed is and will have that foot problem , that will not get a 100% better, so i believe this will shorten his career along with Barass with his spine injury now.
keep up the good work, i like hearing your info here.
Hey mate have a look on the Eagles channel this week and the 'Schodown' - Simmo gives a great explanation, better than I could!
Was at the game and tbh in the first half I felt our effort could've been better. A lot of players standing around, not being first to the ball. A lot of it is Collingwood etc are just smarter with those little things, whereas often we look like wafl/vfl level. Need to work on that. Some of it is instinct but a lot is training and system.
Also Reid is a gun that really needs to be played on the half back like daicos, but because of injuries he is forced into the coal face. Just hope he doesn’t get injured with too much work.
Watching this as a pies fan, I think you’re right to be positive. That match could’ve been messy, and it honestly wasn’t. Were you playing great footy? No, obviously not, but you were pretty noble in defeat. That was the performance of a club that’s actually rebuilding. I was frustrated in that third quarter, because it felt pretty even. Margin was probably about right in the end, but it was far from a piss poor performance, like what we saw the eagles do a few times last year. A solid match from a footy club that’s admittedly got a ways to go yet, but you probably can’t have asked for too much more.
Fantastic honest assessment, still so many inexperienced AFL players that can't be blamed for the loss. At the end of the day things are on the improve with every game.
Hard to put West Coast up against Collingwood and expect a miracle. Good to see we won the last quarter.
Gov was a big out.
The big problem with mature age recruiting is it is very hit and miss and mostly short term
But why do we have such a shit list and Collingwood have a great list? Both played gf 2018. Some people at eagles have made huge mistakes and is not getting better any time soon
@fire_titan5735 I don't think we have a shit list by any stretch, just in experienced, Collingwood may be in a world of hurt when their veterans retire too, much like West Coast.
West Coast was unfortunate to lose a few through concussion, which you can't plan for and we had a horrid run of injuries. Collingwood, like all Victorian clubs, do nowhere near the amount of travel that WA and QLD teams do, which has such an effect on longevity
@@seanchristie7150 I believe injuries we have incurred for the past few years attributes mostly to the eagles management. From trading, strength management and coaching. After decades of success while travelling more than any other team it's safe to say it isn't the reason for injuries the past few years. Collingwood traded much better than we have since 2018 and we have had better picks. Until there is real change in the club the rebuild will not begin
@fire_titan5735 I feel you missed the point in regards to travel. I don't see the mismanagement or poor recruitment. Everybody is different
@@seanchristie7150 no I got your point with travel you think that it hinders them in the long run.. my point is that for decades we have travelled successfully.. now management has gone to shit we suddenly suck at travel.. see what I'm getting at? You are pointing out the problems and I am pointing out the cause of the problems. If you are successful at something then suddenly terrible at it.. you need to look at the way you are managing it.. you'd rather blame bad luck and Victorian clubs getting it better. As you said we all see things differently. For me the rebuild will not even begin until management is overhauled
Shows everyone how much we missed Yeo.
We need more depth, through drafting.
When we fumble & turnover, it's infectious and yes Collingwood hunt in packs around the ball and follow up around the ground. We got killed with the ball in tight and they'd inturn, not fumble and play keep me off from the congestion. Their forward line was at its weakest most likely for the year. But easy and regular entries in space, sorted that.
We've gone over the tipping point with injuris. I think Yeo Flynn and Allen are massive losses for our balance. We were getting smashed last year without Yeo and a top ruckman, and we were even then lucky to have Shuey at times. Kelly Sheed and Williams plus kid won't cut it. McGovern injured, Bazzo/Jamieson injured and Hedwards barely touched the ball in WAFL (possibly injjury). We will struggle to cover Melbourne's height. Hopefully Waterman will be available up forward. But B Williams has been amazingly resilient and battled on. If he goes down then its Barnett and Livingstone. Ouch.
@@BDub2024 pretty obvious also, having a WAFL Eagles side, also pretty lacking in depth and always being cellar dwellers in the comp.
Doesn't help us, when we are getting injuries. It's the one real major difference between Vic Clubs and alot of interstate teams in the AFL atm is their depth between AFL/VFL and also the amount of new young talent, coming through the system.
Also it's very hard, for us to hide talent and wait for them through the Draft here, because the Vic's have scouts, eyes and ears everywhere.
@@owendavies7452 With the WAFL reserves there are only about 8 playing currently. Getting thrashed doesn't help the players' development.
@@owendavies7452 Its the WAFL's fault that the Eagles reserves aren't competitive. It will bite them because the Eagles will have their WAFL reserves play in Victoria or SA and they'll be able to recruit whatever players they want. So will be able to take good WAFL players from other WAFL clubs.
@@owendavies7452 Remember the other Victorian clubs can't use most of the players in their reserves team either. But the difference is that they can recruit who they want to their reserves team, whereas the Eagles are restricted.
I am similarly positive, hoping that we get some guys back in next 2 weeks to bolster the team and the wafl. Culley played well yesterday mid/fwd.
We will also struggle away from
Home badly for the next couple of years. We got smashed by the same margin with waterman and yeo 2 weeks ago. Need to survive away trips and enjoy more competitiveness at home. These injuries again ffs!!! Seems to be across all teams atm tho
Carn the eagles
Thank god darling not suspended
I am glad that West coast Eagles have stayed with the coach I believe they'll be a good team up and running in no time
seriously
they should have cut him lose years ago and traded the seniors players then as well. collingwood did it a couple years after losing the premiership
@@aymallis203 cut him loose years ago? It wasn't that long after they won the Grand final, I think his a good coach, let's see how things work out 😊 I would trade him for our coach for sure
Collingwoods premiership defence is missing howe and Murphy
True I glossed over it a bit - point was more that it was still very strong
Wow, this was fast, was expecting this tomorrow. It was not going to go well, going up against Collingwood, so this result, shocking at first, was expected. West Coast is still developing, and Collingwood is well developed.
I am also quite worried about whether Adam Simpson is worried about his careers that he is making dodgy decisions. He seems to be trying to push players to stand and perform when they haven't proven themselves in premiership level. I am not saying fire him, because at this point the talk of dismissal may be what's causing the problems. People have short term memory and will probably treat this as Eagles falling away for the season, media in the West is brutal. This will be an extraordinarily long week at Lathlain Park.
I think you're exagerating the talent in the team. The injuries are really hurting us, as we lack so much depth. Without a good tap ruckman and Yeo, we will get smashed. Sheed Kelly Ginbey Reid just won't cut it. Really Duggan should be in there when Yeo isn't there. That's obvious. Even another player like Hunt with size and experience. Simpson has had a great year coaching, but the injuries have tipped us over. We could get humiliated at home against Melbourne. A real concern as their midfield and clearance players are number one in the league. Their defenders that control the air, so we may struggle to kick goals as our forwards are below standard. If McGovern is unavialable, then there is no one to play the second tall defender. Bazzo Jamieson injuried. Hedwards appears to have got an injury from WAFL.
I know the margin looks terrible but I actually thought we competed reasonably well and we had a crack. It wasn't as bad as the margin looks and the margin can be a little bit deceiving. I thought we completed well in general plate we just like polish going forward and we broke down at centre half forward I think tactically we probably couldn't do much different but I would've liked to seen a few changes but overall I'm still happy with the direction that we're going in last year. We were getting flogged by 100 points on a very regular basis. At least now we are competing and sometimes when you compete, you're going to turn the ball over in crucial spots, but that's okay
Missed the game because of mothers day but some random thoughts:
- harry edwards for gov and culley for petch please.
- yeo for sheed and waterman for ledwards if fit
- gov should wear some sort of padded vest
- heaven help our wafl team with these injuries mounting
- all things considering, good game barass, witherden, cole and Duggan,
Dom is a legend of the club, but not only should he not be in the 22 from now on, he should arguably be delisted. Cannot win games of football with someone who ruins defensive structures because of how poor his workrate is. Same knocks on TK but at least he's potent offensively.
You have to understand, I’m a mad pies supporter, and the pies put a cue in the rack after half time, there is definitely a gap, but once your young blokes get more game time it will fall into place. Pies have found good form now so don’t be discouraged.
At least it wasn't a Richmond level loss, small mercies
Hating an 18 year old who’s played 8 games because he’s good at football is shit form, especially from our fans who cracked it when Daicos copped that
Ginbey frustrated me
I didn't see the game. But at this stage he should really be half back and is being given more responsibility than he is ready for. Remember Ed Allen got picked as an early pick by Collingwood and he has barely played a game yet. I see Ginbey as half back and wing. Not inside mid as he has a turning circle of a tractor. Its only his second season. At the end of 2026 season it will be possible to make a call, and even then he'll still be a youngster. I think your expectations are too high, don't believe all the hype from The West.
how good is harley reid, he can come to collingwood anytime
Good second half..Ryan slowly worked.into the game. Witherden and the back six were ok given the onslaught. Sheed is not about to find pace. Game has gone past him. TK sub par. Reid ok. B. Williams terrible. Johnston and Dewar deserve more games.
There were positives but at times i found it very hard to watch
Ginbey terrible first half but improved. Maybe he's being played out of position. Thought Chesser looked ok too
Gov was probably our b.o.g until he busted another rib
@BigUps147 yep I should have called him out. He was good.
GG's man tough game but you lads are gonna come good. surprised on the amount of Harley Reid hate you've seen, kids a gun (I will say he did shrug a tackle and the commentary seemed to glaze him for the next few minutes, regardless hate the commentary and the media, not the player).
It was a gameday thread on bigfooty that was particularly venemous haha, but tbh most gameday threads are!
@@TrueEagleAFL yeah bigfooty is a dark place haha theres a reason I don’t go there during the regular season unless its the sack Hinkley thread after a particularly embarrassing port loss
I liked Rueben’s game but my goodness he needs to work on some of those skills and his decision making
Very difficult to accept all of that when you're surrounded by their supporters and they are still booing anyone lining up for goal when they were 11 goals ahead!!!
It WAS Collingwood. Did you expect more?
We were reactive all day and Collingwood was active dictating play.. can’t win from there 👍
Predictable result. We're crawling to the midseason bye with injuries and our side lacking depth. With a struggling ruckman and Yeo out then our midfield will be massively exposed in contested possession. Just look at the last two years. I would always have Duggan or another defensive mid (Cole) in there just to provide physical pressure. We know last year that Williams Kelly Sheed plus youngster were getting smashed in the middle in centre clearances. Hall should be in with physicality. Maybe Culley if ready. Gaff or Hedwards if fit.
Okay sure, I get the optimism, hell; I kinda agree.
Where I get frustrated is watching premiership players second to the ball, selling out their teammates, making dumb ill-disciplined mistakes/decisions (Sheed w/ 50m, Cripps last game), and not tackling/chasing/being out-hustled. These are all inexcusable and we need to stop accepting it. Sheed was god awful, TK lowered his colours, Ryan looks so underdone it's not funny, Edwards bless his heart doesn't look cut out for AFL footy. Chesser when played inside was actually pretty solid and we need to play him there more. Ginbey was completely overwhelmed and lacked composure as an inside midfielder but played much better as a halfback (where he should play moving forward). Harley was good, got stuck a few times doing too much, but still such a stud. Bailey Williams simply isn't AFL level as a ruck and prob as a fwd.
We need to have way higher intensity in the contest, we simply can't rely purely on Yeoy to do it all as a 2 way player. His body won't be able to take it.
The rest of the kids looked pretty good. TB can be excused for being average in the first half, vale Cam McCarthy
I didn't watch the game I had a sleep in and saw the score 26-7 and went yeah we're going to lose and watched CZcams instead 😅
When do we stop being positive about 10 goal floggings? When do we let eagles management know they have let this club down? When do we as the fans and investors demand an overhaul?
as a pie support uss are getting better. use guys should have trade and let go some of your senior players years ago and your coach. unfortunately your only just starting the rebuild now.
Good old Collingwood forever
Actually, I'll argue you on the footskills. Our skills and efficiency were better than decent.
Considering how many Collingwood had out/on bench thought we would be a bit more competitive.
Collingwoods pressure certainly stunned us. Reid needs more help, certainly missed yeo.
Sheed and Ryan need more time in wafl.
Ryan did pretty good compared to his last few games
We had our best two forwards out Allen ( capt ) and Waterman
Best mid out Yeo
Best ruck out Flynn
Plus Long and Hewett best 22
Against pies in Melbourne
Got what we expected i would've thought
Very average performance but at least they are playing the youngsters. The veterans are putting in effort which is imperative.
Being comfortable with how your team is, is why your team is losing so badly
first!!
The umpires were sh!t tho eagles should have won
Number 1 player:Harley reid, Liam Ryan
Liam was ass
Put the pipe down son.