The MBTA Orange Line Has Been Replaced By Buses. How Bad Is It?
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- An irreverent journey along the entire route.
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Something I forgot to mention in the video: the T has also made the Commuter Rail up to Zone 2 effectively free, added a Haverhill Line stop at Oak Grove, and added a Providence Line stop at Forest Hills. Additionally, you can get a 30-day Bluebikes pass for free! So there are other nice mitigations they've made - that Bluebikes one in particular is fantastic.
@@gabembta12 Coming from the Middleborough Line, it's nice to not pay $250 commuter rail pass and shave 20 minutes off of my commute to South Station.
@@gabembta12 I'm leaving from Braintree to South Station for the free Zone 2. If I took my actual closer station, it'd be Randolph/Holbrook, which is Zone 3. I'd like to avoid paying as much on transportation as legally possible. (No, I'm not a faregate jumper)
@@gabembta12 Yeah, I take 238 as a means to bypass Randolph/Holbrook station. I did try a 238-236 connection, but it was a disaster. Though now with school in session, it's not as much an issue compared to the summer when I'm back in South Shore.
chicks dig bus foamers obviously 10:23
The bonus tufts shuttle was legitimately the most I've laughed in a 30 minute period in a long time
I like that you are always smiling even through transit disruptions and missed stops.
@@robs7640 it's always super enjoyable, especially with a friend like Miles! As long as you're not trying to make a connection or something, of course...
it’s been a while since we laughed this genuinely, jeremy
That thing was a disaster
"This is the last stop"
"You don't go to Chinatown?"
"Oh"
jesus christ
He forgot about the loop.
though outside of transit enthusiasts, I don't imagine the driver encounters many people that take an entire loop
From most reports, the buses aren't as bad as some people thought. At least right now, they're clean and comfortable. They're slower and don't necessarily stop at the most convenient spot, but they're free!
This video was hilarious. It's amazing how Boston struggles with bustitution. This looks worse than the Longfellow bridge reconstruction. Like you said hopefully it results in a better Orange Line.
would you say it’s just as bad
as the bustitution that was provided for the
south shore line?
You need to come to the Minnesota State Fair sometime, Miles! The transit center there is an amazing mix of the different Twin Cities transit agencies, random coach buses, and pretty-old transit buses that just have paper signs with the overhead sign stuck on something completely random (there's an old Houston Metro bus they've been using for years that still rotates between "Special" and "Seasons Greetings" with some old signage inside.) The buses feed into all the different park and rides, many of which are only active for the 12 days of the fair. It's a transit spotter's paradise!
The old Toronto Bay Street coach terminal was like this during the (Canadian) Thanksgiving and Christmas peak periods when there was so much demand that Greyhound would charter overflow buses from wherever they could get them. They would run out of bus bays so buses would end up loading and unloading on nearby streets.
TBH my most memorable Greyhound trip was on a Christmas overflow charter from Kitchener to Toronto, in an ancient manual transmission 96A3 in which the driver bombed down the left lane of the 401 at probably 140 the whole way (passing people on the right when necessary), and made the trip a few minutes under an hour.
You're the second person to tell me to go to the state fair! Maybe next year!
@@MilesinTransit please do come to Minnesota! We may not have as large of a transit network as the Northeast but there's plenty of interesting and good things about our network worth covering. The state fair alone also has things like urban gondolas and of course multiple bus routes, and a couple miles down the Green Line LRT too.
I wish metro transit didn't have such a generic name, especially because it's a twin city metro
Post-orange line opening update: the Orange line is now somehow twice as slow as before the work. It seems like they weren’t able to finish on time and now there are more slow zones. Thanks MBTA… would’ve been nice if this entire situation could have been avoided if you were actually properly funded and managed.
Funding and train procurement disasters are not really the fault the MBTA, though...
Glad you got to see the ex-SEPTA bus roaming up there!
A friend of mine recently purchased an ex-Metro Transit (Minneapolis) D60. Good to know another one is still roaming out there!
I'm coming up after the Medford branch of the GLX opens (finally) so I can get some quick video shots along both branches (as well as a run to cover some stops on the Mattapan line). Hoping it doesn't get pushed back any further!
I never got to ride it, unfortunately! It's so cool it's running around up there.
I really appreciate Jordan's perspective. Every body deserves a comfortable seat, and to not feel shamed for their size! Plane seats are especially awful
with plane seats, often it is not really even the size, but the shapes that make them uncomfortable (for those for whom size itself is not such an issue).... in many city buses I see there are a few seats which do allow for free legroom, such as the middle rear seat or the bench seat nearest the front... coaches do not have that though.
also, what about accessibility... can't help notice all those steps (albeit, the orange line is not step-free either)
I'm a proud green-line rider. Yes it may explode, or crash into itself, but it's always there.
Life is like the orange line shuttle, you never know what you're gonna get.
I love how people were dropping one by one until it was just Miles and Jeremy.
and yes, #FatPeopleMatter
You guys are awesome, this was so entertaining and informative. And that bus only lane on the Gilmore bridge was a nice thought but in practice, completely ignored in rush hour traffic. You just can’t expect 6 lanes of traffic coming from all different directions to pour into 1 lane that is already gridlocked from end to end.
Thanks a lot! Yeah, I've seen photos of the Gilmore Bridge just being completely in gridlock, including in the bus lanes.
Coach buses subbing in for closed subway lines is like a fricken commuter line or amtrak on thr subway/light rail.
"Oh good two equivalently terrible agencies"
I've never heard of that one before, and I will prolly use it somehow.
Like Japanese subways?
TTC up here in Canada is notorious for shutting down sections of the core subway network for construction and upgrades on weekends. It usually looks like a several dozens of buses queued up at stations and intersections along the subway route. It is a notorious mess because the largely suburban Toronto City Council doesn't want to block off streets for car traffic even on weekends...even when hundreds of buses are supposed to carry thousands of subway riders. But yeah, this is still a lesser mess than whatever that was. Bus lanes are great and necessary, but having 30 minute headways for a rapid transit substitute in the city proper is truly mental
yonge street moment
Yup, I was visiting Toronto on a random weekend just a year ago and it actually happened! Was trying to get to the botanical garden and couldn't get past St. Clair. It was so chaotic and there were so many people waiting for the subway shuttle, I said f**k it, took the 88 to the edge of Leaside and walked from there. In retrospect that was probably the best itinerary anyway-the Wilket Creek trail was a nice surprise. Thanks, TTC!
I love how half the time you're just so confused and Jeremy is laughing like a goblin in the background. Gotta love this organized chaos
Cought the stream that day! Glad to see a video of it. You have a way of making janky transit really entertaining.
Thank you so much!
You guys are so funny! Great coverage and seem vv knowledgeable about transit. Good stuff!
Thank you!
I am calling it now, there won’t be a better orange line. WMATA has been doing shutdowns for a few years and there’s still little sign of fixing all the issues. I bet they’re focusing more on patch jobs instead of wholesale rebuilding and reconstruction, thought maybe the MBTA can prove me wrong. Anyways WMBTA is real.
Buy property in Europe give up
What's the WMBTA?
Hi I'm from a year later and I can confirm that the Orange Line still isn't fixed
I predict that after this Orange Line shuttle bus assignment is finally finished, these older tour/charter buses will definitely be sent to the scrapyard?
When the Orange line returns, it will be like orange juice, giving riders a full day’s worth of energy??
I rode the shuttle yesterday from Forest Hills to Copley. The bus was very nice (a Prevost X3-45) but the trip was so slow. Going through Amory and Lamartine streets wasn't bad but once we got out of Ruggles it was a lot of stop and go due to heavy traffic on Columbus Avenue. Usually if I take the Orange Line it takes 12-15 minutes tops, but the shuttle was 30 minutes.
Tips for the MBTA...
- Run an express shuttle between Forest Hills, Ruggles and Copley, using Columbus Avenue.
- Amory and Lamartine Streets should have an MBTA route, even if it's to Jackson Square.
This is amazingly funny and entertaining, thank you all so much!
Thank you!
3:29 - glad I took a moment to use the CZcams-friendly version of what I was about to say! lol
The Metro MN one was pretty comfortable, was super surprised to see it but it was pretty cool!
5:03 Oh the pain when there is the possibility that a bus you need to get on is JUST ABOUT to leave. Worse when they just zip off.
Need this content because I would like a major ass telling the bus driver I’m going to whole way round even though the bus is going there anyway. Also interesting to see the variety of the busses as I’ve enjoyed cycling around the parking at Forrest glen where the red line shuttles are parking and seeing the many different busses.
Thanks for the plug, jakwelline’s foamer fun- elevators, escalators and more appreciates it
more escalator content plz
@@MilesinTransit you got it
Took my first ever trip to Boston this past May and booked my Airbnb near the Oak Grove station, thinking I would have an easy and wonderful time learning how to use MBTA to get to and from the city. Then I show up and find out the Orange Line is down and replaced by buses for the entirety of my trip. Devastating nightmare.
Nooooo!
Yet another amazing video I presume!
I have rewatched this video an absurd amount of times.
Truthfully I enjoyed these shuttles when they were around I didn't mind it one but it was much more smoother than the orange line I can say that if they left the orange line shutdown down for even longer I wouldn't complain I enjoyed all the buses it was so cool to see all the different buses from the different states lending a helping hand
What a weird twist! never would have expected a bus but at the same time, I might be the only one.
The first video before the live stream of it!!!
Forget it Miles, it's Chinatown!
It's funny how bad the orange line shuttles are... but hey, at least it's free along with the commuter rail within the city. Hopefully the construction ends with a better orange line! The MBTA is definitely in need of some improvements.
I need to check out the weird wee-hours shuttle... Thanks for making me aware!
You gotta report back on if they've made it less bad!
Did they make it less bad?
@@Token_Nerd I don't think that I actually ever rode it...
@@Omriqui lmao probably for the best
6:26 “Wait I think the guy is telling him ‘No this isn’t the bus’. All he had to do was pull over and tell the person ‘No this isn’t the bus’ then we’re screwed.” …The logic of this bus driver is so bad it’s hilarious.
This is funny to look back and laugh at
It’s BACK! WooHoo!!!!
1:28 that's the funniest thing I've ever seen
Gotta admit, from what I’ve seen, this is probably the most confusing diversion I’ve seen. Eh, what do you expect lol
Gunther Buses in Massachusetts?! (I live in MD and I have been on them)
Yeah, they're base is basically next to BWI airport. Guess when you need enough buses to replace an entire train line on short notice you pull from wherever you an find them.
miles in transit and alan fisher released their boston videos on the same day
At least you have bustitution. On the MTA LIRR, they shut our trains down on weekends on the Main Line with NO SHUTTLE BUSES at all!
you need to use the "know your streets miles" more often.
One time I had to ride a shuttle bus replacing a section of the DC metro yellow line that was under repairs. It was a confusing mess. Each bus was an "express line" to one of the four stations that was closed. So if you got on the wrong bus you were screwed. Quite a few people got hot under the collar trying to make sense of this mess. The bus itself was nice but it was going painfully slow crawling along at maybe two kilometers an hour in bumper to bumper DC rush hour traffic. I thought I would never get off that bloody bus. It took over an hour to get to the end of the line. A train would only have taken a few minutes. That's why DC built the metro in the first place. I don't know how Boston handles shut downs of the trains but DC is notorious for shutting down parts of the metro and replacing them with busses with little to no warning. I hope I never get caught up in something like that again.
At first I wasn't sure which transit system this would be, but then I remembered that only part of the Washington Metro orange line is shut down. I didn't know about the T shutdown. I also don't understand why the first bus skipped a bunch of stations. Was it an express from Forest Hills to Copley? Maybe I missed something. The orange line used to be my commuting line when I lived in Malden (1979-81). It was pretty new then, but we still had a shutdown of the northern end of the line. I lived on Highland Av. and we had substitute buses taking us to Wellington. Here in Drexel Hill, PA, the Media and Sharon Hill trolleys were replaced by buses for 10 days starting when we moved here (last month). We were told to expect delays up to 15 minutes. For a service that mostly runs every half hour, that means basically that you never know when the bus is coming. By the way, we rode out to Media last week and nobody got on or off at Paper Mill Rd.
It was just randomly skipping stops...they're supposed to stop at each one! And that Media bus replacement is horrible, the route is so bad...
They threw together the Chinatown route because people complained
is the Orange line shut so as to iron out speed restrictions? and what must've happened to the recent Green line extension?
Yes on ironing out the speed restrictions on the Orange. The Green line work is supposedly to have the Medford branch of the GLX ready for later this year.
Hi Miles I have a question but it's no regards to this video. How do you get those Amtrak tickets cheap for 19 bucks. And I'd also like to do an interview with you on your transit journey. I'm a fan of public transportation myself
The $19 Amtrak tickets were just a sale they had during the pandemic that I made the most of! For an interview, feel free to send a message at milesintransit.com/contact/ so I can get it in my email!
The way Bunker Hill Community College and the attached station are laid out, with Rutherford and Austin St, means that northbound it does stop basically as close as it can to the station. But if anything it's *more* convenient, because this way it's stopping up against the back of the Whole Foods parking lot, which gives better pedestrian access into Charlestown - in regular times, both Community College and Sullivan are awkwardly placed for those trying to get into Charlestown, arguably a main service area for both. Of course, the southbound shuttle stops on the side closer to Community College, so you do have to take the pedestrian overpass (or cross the perilous Rutherford/Austin/Gilmore Bridge intersection) to get to/from Charlestown. Makes me long for the days of the Elevated through Thompson Square lmao
It's amazing how the historical Orange Line realignments on both the north and south sides made the line LESS useful!
Well this is certainly better than the Yellow and Blue line shutdown in DC, where they had bus lanes already built for Metroway and didn’t use them. Supposedly it’s because drivers needed special training for the signal priority system for whatever reason, but the system doesn’t even work for the bus route that uses the lanes anyways. And they wouldn’t put detection loops to get the system to work before the shuttles started running.
Metroway is its own joke of a “BRT” system anyways, but I won’t rant about its million problems here.
I was watching trains at Wellington when Miles was at Forest Hills.
3:00 they went like balls to the wall full foamer lmao
lol i love yall!!
Thank you!
That transit system looks crazy. They don't publish schedules?
Not for this shuttle operation...it was pretty ad-hoc!
@@MilesinTransit sounds like an adventure lol
Oh my god I had entirely forgotten the Maryland flag counter
Miles, advice, BUY A SKELLITON KEY , it will unlock the Lav / Toilet.
MINNEAPOLIS, ST PAUL REPRESENT!!!!
he said the word!!!!11! he said the stroad thing!! miles is based holy frick
It's bad. They should have got smaller busses that skip stations going stop to stop keeps them in traffic and take forever
Why is the shuttle split in two?
They probably didn't want buses having to crawl through downtown - if the Tufts Bonus Shuttle is any indication, those streets are slow!
Any RTS buses running in the Shuttles
I wish!
✨Chantals✨
$37 Million at work, kids. It’s so bad, it’s funny.
The definition of this video is confusion lol
wow this is a shitshow. I'm glad i only have to deal with ttc line 1 shuttle buses every few weekends lol
3:07 wmata is terrible?
It's improved a LOT over the past couple years!
Man I hate the T this entire thing is a meme
I'm at the point where I just don't care, I want the T to be bad in some form just to see people complain, I don't want the OL to be better when it comes back. I'd be great if it was better, but I love seeing the complaints now, BRING ON THE TEARS!
Choo choo, I'm a train
another jeremy and miles classic.
HERE IS WHAT DID NOT HAPPEN BUT THOUGHT HAPPENED
@10:16
GIRLS - "Are you a vlogger?"
MILES - "You want to be in the video?"
GIRLS - "Wait so what are you doing?"
MILES - "It has to do with buses"
GIRLS - "Wait are you from BangBus?"
MILES - "..... BangBus? Wait what? What is.... No! No No No."
GIRLS - "Okay bye!!!!"
MILES - "I am so confused right now. Why did they ask me that?"
🤣 Now thats funny !!!!!! If that is what really happened, I would have cried laughing so hard!
@Miles in Transit -
I don't like rail replacement bus (I only use it when I have to) , because it´s slower , more changes , more difficuilt to find & not suitable for bikes + wheelchairs ...
Note: USA outlets (like in this bus) are literally still as shocking as European outlets 100+ years ago (even the countries of the former Soviet-Union fixed this since late 1990s in most homes , adopting the current German standards) ...
OMG it seems that your long haired buddy (BTW I as a male have long hair too, sometimes even 5+ cm longer^^) @ 0:50 belongs to the ones who love being lied to by the politicians ( & their meat-drones), because the black toy mask he uses (in blind beLIEving) is as useless as a floorcloth against ANY disease (I am educated in this stuff by the (compulsary) military 15+ years ago & by a job 8+ years ago) ...
At least he shaved very well @ 0:04 to make a REAL mask work ( = Full face mask with at least a reputable brand FFP3-filter) work ( & I like it clean shaven) , this is the only thing he did right in using breathing protection , if there is a dangerous disease that you can breath in he would be dead since 2020 ( & the Bearded ones would be dead anyway with ANY mask) ...
the other guy @ 3:33 seem to beLIEve this lies as well ...
And your voluminous guy @ 4:39 should really loose weight _in his own interst_ , belive me I had my fattest time in 2020 (95Kg instead of ~65 Kg at the military) & after loosing weight again I feel much better (TIP, cut out: Wheat (replace with Roggen) , sugar (far less sugary drinks + sweets) , all sugar-replacements , GMOs (if possible in contaminated USA) , Fluoride (if possible in contaminated USA) , generally junkfood like McDonalds & of course to much eating ... at least he doesn't own a car , because a car is a big reason why you gain wight)...
What’s with the mask?