John Lennox: How do I choose which religion to follow?
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- On 19th November, 2018 at Birmingham Town Hall, John Lennox delivered a talk 'Cosmic Chemistry: Do Science and Christianity Mix?', followed by an extended time of Q&A, featuring questions from the audience.
Here is one of his answers.
This event was put on by IS FAITH REASONABLE?, a partnership of Birmingham based churches and Christian organisations that exists to bring as many people as possible into the ongoing conversation about faith and reason. - Krátké a kreslené filmy
"It's not a religion; it's a relationship." Pure gold, and something I am taking with me to many future conversations.
In any real conversation between different views, that is meaningless. If it's a relationship, then that relationship requires people believe christianity is true, so it is still very much a religion.
@@mansonandsatanrock If the definition of religion is to believe something is true, then you have made every idea a religion, including Science, Philosophy and so on.
@@AdamHayekMilton My point was, in order to have a relationship with christ, you must first believe christ/god exist. Requiring people believe the christian doctrine.
@@mansonandsatanrock I get it. I'm addressing your definition of the term "religion". If to believe something is true makes it a religion, then evolutionists, atheists, etc. are very religious by this definition.
@@AdamHayekMilton
Not so, because evolution being true doesn't depend on whether one believes it is true or not. It just is. Just like gravity, sure you are free to doubt it, but you are not free from the consequences which can be proven if you jump off a cliff for example.
The same cannot be said for Christianity, it is not true as a matter of fact.
This is the best wisdom I have ever received. Praise to my lord Jesus Christ
You really should think through his arguments again as he just said "I choose to believe" in a longwinded and complex way.
I have had a memory issue my whole life and I'm going to listen to this hopefully every day until I go home to see Jesus because this is the most astonishingly important thing I've heard to help me minister to people!!!
Hello my friend im replying to your comment incase you forgot to watch the video, maybe youll get a notification from my reply idk. God bless you brother ♥️
Have you ever heard of The Clergy Project?
My Muslim brother sent this to me yesterday. Thank you so much for your wisdom and understanding of the truth that’s only found in the evidence of Jesus Christ.
Uh, what evidence do you think to have?
@@unggrabb “The case for Christ” is my go to. At the end of the day everyone is free to believe whatever they want to believe in. With or without evidence. God bless you. Whether you believe or not 😃
@@tinaf600 of course people can believie in whatever they wish. As long as the beliefs dont create silly religious wars (which has pestered us all for far too long).
*The irony*
@@tinaf600 You know muslims believe in jesus but that he is only a prophet not the son of god.We believe that God is one and nobody should not be associated with him and he is not like mankind or the djinn kind or the angels.He is almighty,perfect and the only one that deserves worship.
Draw near to God and He will draw near to you.
- James 4:8
What does that mean? Pure wordless shit I think.
@@paulspence7600
A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.
~ proverbs 18:2
Nonsense! - Ludicris 5:20 Mtn.Std.
The beginning of salvation is not giving up something, it is receiving someone. As Dr Lennox stated so clearly, it begins at the moment of belief. Grace!
I think giving up the beginning of savation.
Choosing a religion?? you might as well flip a coin. I think you will find they are all fairy stories.
@@gknight4719 I don't think so. Since it cannot be proved either way, i.e. does God exist? It is worth investigating throughly as it MAY be relevant after death.
@@claudiolordino2192 Believe me I have been sincerely searching for god for over 40 years, and so far no luck. if there is a god?? surely "his will" would override my pathetic little brain, and yet I am told god loves me, but refuses to give me faith, its a gift from
god, John ch 6 vs 65-68, so my name can not be in the Book of Life or god removed it??
Have you adopted Pasco Wager?. you just live in hope,
now this "after-death" comment, is that some kind of threat? like I will find myself in hell
being tortured by this loving god forever, for not having faith?
Oh he is a Dr. he must be right!
Amen! I accepted Christ as my Lord and savior when I was 17, I shared te gospel and share the relationship,I have with Lord to my husband and now my 4 children serving the Lotd and the rest of my sister and their families accepted Christ in their lives too. It’s the best a man can have… Jesus is everything for me
This man has a gift!! So thankful I came upon this!!
He might be a smart mathematician but he dumb beyond that.
Glory to God. This man gives God Glory.
Amen!
Groan... another praise-the-lorder with nothing to add to a debate
@@helpmaboabb I'm not IN a debate. I simply agree with Mr. Lennox in the one I watched.
@@helpmaboabbthe Shroud of Turin
Which god?
This man is a gem!
He sure is a gem he choose a book that said a bat was a bird😭😭😭
@@Lasquez111 A better translation would be 'winged animal' instead of 'bird'.
Spot on. Only recently discovered him. Spent much of my time watching Ravi Zacharias and R.C. Sproul, but they're gone now. This is new to me and refreshing.
@@Lasquez111 I would personally consider insulting the intelligence of that man as a rather precarious exercise…
Nothing but a salesman getting rich off the ignorant! When will these myths end ?
Wonderful! Thank you Dr.Lennox.
Wonderful? A deluded man
Stupid brainwashed deluded clown wonderful
@@unggrabb Deluded?
@@finneganfrederick-kringel2082
Definition of deluded
: deceived by false beliefsa deluded eccentric: having or characterized by delusional ideas deluded thinking. What would you call it to believe in fairies?
@@unggrabb fairies?!
Wow, this is amazing - this video should be shared to every Christian!
I have been listening to this wonderful professor teachings for several years, he has a clear history, gospel, and faith message, and I wish all believers could listen to him, and strengthen their faith in Christianity and God’s gospel salvation. The proofs are all available , history is not fables, Places of the Old Testament are still there, original writings,papyrus, archeology sites, and the power of Jesus truth transforming the hearts. 🙏📖✝️❤️🥰
Not only to Christian. But to every people so everyone will have their eyes and find the real God in their life
What is so amazing? just more unsubstantiated claims about an imaginary "god"
zero evidence!
Let us face he is the nutty professor, he knows it's will not long before he will be pushing up the daisies therefore he has deluded himself that there is an afterlife.
@@DrMontague And what is so disappointing after his death he will not know THAT
he was wrong! and we atheists will not know we were right.
"How do I choose which religion to follow?"
I have no idea how you choose. 7 or 8 billion people probably have the same question. I eagerly anticipate 7 billion youtube videos as each person answers the question.
In this man, God workout for the world the difference between Christianity & religiosity. He made it simple, how to choose the right way to heaven. I see he already blessed by God. More wishes of God's blessings 🙏🙏
I vote for skipping all the hocus-pocus and live in the real world
Wow must watch. What a way to explain religion and Christianity God bless.
so you're telling your god what to do
@@neiltristanyabut No! God is saying it is already done through my son Jesus Christ. God wants friends not servants. He wants intimacy not religion. He wants love not law keeping!
@@deanw2847 and yet christians trying to enforce their brand of theocracy
so talk to your fellow christians first
@@deanw2847
Yes Christianity unlike with other "religions" is all about the central figure Jesus coming in the form of an infant growing up to a man being tempted and tested as we all are but so he could sympathize with us but remained untainted with sin then served as the ultimate sin offering re-establishing a connection for us with the Father so we can have an intimate relationship with him, where all we have to do is accept it, acknowledging him.
A powerful explanation….he encourages me in a powerful way…. In the midst of the lies of this world
here is some truth not lies
If you are gay or transgender and know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this. The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is born with predetermined physical, biological & psychologic features. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural path of our evolution & found commonplace in nature. Medical research in this area clearly explains this process. Those who believe it is an abomination do so based not on facts but on religious authority. It is their right to believe this and I understand them. It must be made clear however, it is based on religion not science. If you are truly interested in the truth based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay explains this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for others & yourself, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. If you chose to respond to me, please read this book &/or the numerous articles referred to in the reference section before hand. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & must defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
With all due respect what makes a person Gay/Bi/Trans/whatever is actually engaging in the acts, despite what they might have going on hormonally.
In saying that, I am definitely not judging, looking down upon or condemning them, especially since I'm just as stained from sin as them. I hope nothing but the best for those who have chosen to be a part of those groups and that they receive Jesus into their life's.
@@dan69052e “why” doesent matter. I don’t really care if someone is born gay or trans, or if it’s a choice that’s made, and God doesent care either. It’s a sin. Period.
I’ll love those people all the same, and it’s not my place to condemn them. But someone being born a type of way doesent give anybody a free pass to blatantly sin.
I was born with the inclination to want to have sex with any pretty woman that comes my way, but that’s a sin too so it is what it is.
Not everything we want is ok to have.
it's NOT an explanation - it's an assertion
Learn to see the difference
Dang this comment section still bumpin after 2 years
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Amen. Praise the Lord.
Dr John Lennox have the truth within him, so he is able to face down the enemy where ever it appears in his life journey. So he is right it is not merit base , it is a gift by God which allows you to come to know him properly.
@Paul Goodier O brother Paul why art thou sounding so hopeless, if it is the will of God that thou must come to know him in this life time thou Will, if not you will continue to cloak yourself with vain rhetoric and arrogance. The process of knowing and worshiping starts with humility of self, l know it can only be brought on by God himself.
Deeply affecting and articulate. I love him.
Wonderful! God bless this kind and wise man.
so you're telling your god what to do
"Wise"?! What did he say that was wise?!
John Lennox is so great at explaining Christianity in a relatable way!
Christianity is light years away from Catholism.... Catholism the superior and in line with universal principles
Love this!
Beautifully said Sir
Thank Dr Lennox
Brilliantly said! Absolutely right!
and you are the arbiter of right...?
This made me cry! Thank you so much for sharing. You absolutly can not imagin how much I needed this and how much clarity this video has given me. Honestly I have been asking myself that very same question for the past days and watched a lot of videos on CZcams and this one just made me so emotional and made me see something I could not before.
In other words you are easily taken in by his shit! If lennox has ever had a wet fart in public he will know that their is no intelligent designer!Have you ever had a wet fart in public? did god design us to have wet farts. Did jesus ever have a wet fart? Notice that the is no mention of jesus ever having to go for a crap. It's a bit like star trek there are no toilets on board the enterprise, no one needs to go for a pee or a dump! Sermon on the mount Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. There is more to come I'll be back in a minute I must go for a dump! Jesus was nailed to a cross but there is no mention that he shit himself whilst nailed to the cross! He was nailed to cross for how many hours but didn't shit or piss his pants! indeed it appears no crucified person ever shit of pissed their pants whilst nailed to as cross. That's a miracle!
So happy to read your comment.
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I cry for your idiocy
wonderful. Thanks for your excellent context.
Woooow.. He has made it so clear. God bless you
Wonderful!!
Love this guy
❤ some will ressurect for shame so enlightenment ❤
I love the illustration about the wife. It totally make sense
Excellent
Follow the Lamb of God. Thank you jesus for your sacrifice on the ✝️. ❤
May GOD always bless him!!
May God bless you it’s a real definition, thank you
Beautifully put. This man is a blessing.
Amen!
@@singlechristiancowboy Oh dear
@@helpmaboabb 🤨
Lovely and so true! If you accepr Jesus as your Lord you start to act differently in your life.
Incredible...just incredible ❤
God has endowed this fellow with much wisdom and he articulates it in such way that you understand where he's coming from and thus, you're able to likewise impart it to others. This just helps tp prove that wholesome education ought to be about understanding just as much as it is about knowledge; a hand in glove bringing together of sorts.
Absolutely Amazing!!!
Neither karma or dharma or punya [merit] but acceptance, relationship and the assurance given by God that I will never leave you nor forsake you summaries the entire Muktiveda [Bible]. I like your last illustration 👍🙏
Buddhism and Christianity is not necessarily mutually exclusive. Very similar moral teachings
@@johngoldsworthy7135 I disagree. Buddhism teaches an incredibly subjective view of existence, specifically a subjective view of morality, of self, and that to achieve enlightenment or nirvana, one must shed these ideas. They believe there is no real moral good or bad - there is no I or you. Whereas, Christianity is rooted in completely opposing doctrines. There is a moral good and evil. Our actions matter and no amount of philosophy or shedding of the mind/spirit from this world will bring salvation. In fact, Jesus calls Christians to be actively involved in this world. It’s why other denominations criticize the monastic traditions of Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy.
Well said! Sincere Blessings!
🙏🕊❤
that little illustration, 8:01 💓. 👍
i will watched this every single time someone like this comment as a reminder that God always love me no matter what..
Beautiful words from Dr. Lennox. Does anyone know where one may watch the video of the Trinity College forensic resurrection lecture he mentioned?
THIS PROPHET OF CHRIST...BLESSED FOREVER.
Incredible!
Beautiful. God bless you Prof. Lennox
Perfectly illustrated!!
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The greatest Orator in history
His acceptance faith sounds like the doctrine of faith alone. "He who has my commandments and keeps them , it is he who loves me." What is faith without love ?
And what is faith without works. They do NOT save but are evidence of faith and love of God.
@@joannquaid6037 To love to do the works our Lord commands is a saving faith.
Thank you.
thank you!!! :')
Brilliant
Thank you brother, and God bless you all!.
When you see an exorcism performed on the ghastliest human I ever encountered trust me you will believe on God. It is like nothing anyone has seen and shows the power of prayer and the crucifix. It just doesn't forever change you it traumatizes you. I have such a new respect for the catholic priest. When you see true evil and see how a priest extinguishes that horror you have a whole new look on life. I so wish I could un see that but its not to be.
Heres the thing I have seen muslims do it too, in Ruqya, you can believe Bob. Larson, or Jesús but how are muslims and animists able to do it and people improve? Whats is being proved?
It would be very interesting to here your story, i truly believe what you are saying. God bless you
@@beslanintruder2077
They used black magic.. There is an incident where a shaik performed exorcist, later what happened? You know? The police found the body of a husband and a wife (who was possessed) and the shaik..
They even made a movie out of it.. Go watch it
@@zuzugaming451 can you provide a link....
Can u tell that story in details pls?
AMEN
Awesome!
Really, really good!
I would not choose any religion, because religion is man reaching up to God. No matter how hard we try we cannot do it.
However, there is one faith in which God reaches down to man and meets man's needs. That is Jesus our Creator became man and meets the demands of God and through the Lord Jesus Christ every man, woman & child can enjoy a personal relationship with God.
AMENNN!!!
@@no-gn9te Hi kee. Thank you for affirmation.
Well said James
@@sheldonolivier6716 Thank you Sheldon most appreciated.
Every other religion is the same idek how u rationalize that
For BY GRACE are ye SAVED THROUGH FAITH; and that NOT OF YOURSELVES; it is the GIFT OF GOD: NOT OF WORKS, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST.
- Ephesians 2:8; KJV Bible
That's wonderful. Christianity is about relationship. So also all the other religions too. Faith is about relationship.❤❤❤
He just said that other religions don't see relationship with God in that way.
God bless you, Sir! Truth as espoused by Christ
Amen
What a gem!!!
Amen it's About John 3:16
John's a precious Brother in Christ- and a powerful testimony of a transformed life. His heart really shines. Reminds me of Colossians 1:27 KJV - To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. Amen. Bless you John
this man is breathtakingly attractive, he has film star looks and and the mind of Plato. He is a gem, a jewel, a diamond, a shining star, a certain oomph that rises above the common man. I admire him with gusto.
Good day Dr Lennox, my son introduced me to your debates. The best is yet to come. I have the proof that Jesus is sitting on the right hand of God. We do have and believe in a God of miracles. Amen, to your wonderful debating on Christianity. We will stand up and salute you. Thank you. ❤
That's amazing. Can you please provide the proof you speak of. I must caution you that although I will be respectful in my reply, I assert that you do not and cannot have such proof.
@@Outspoken.Humanist what is your email address. You may send me a friend request. (Maria Erasmus)
@@Outspoken.Humanist can I have a friend request please? How can I contact you. I am on Facebook.
What’s your proof he’s sitting on the right side of God?
Maybe he’s standing on the left side.
Also aren’t you a Monotheist?
How come your God is still split into two, with the son sitting next to his daddy. What a boring existence.
Amen!
An effective spirituality makes religion redundant. All we need can be found in Transcendental Consciousness. Twice daily experience of it expands the individual consciousness. I have been doing it for the past 44 years and I found myself forgiving all who offend me. No priest could teach me that. It develops naturally within the self when you have an effective spirituality that is not to be found in religion. One can attain the feel good factor from religion but it doesn't get any better than that. Expanding one's consciousness opens life in all its fullness.
Live long and prosper.
Amen
John 20:29
Jesus said unto him, “Thomas, because thou hast seen Me, thou hast believed. Blessed are they that have not seen and yet have believed.”
Very true, God gives us faith, it is a gift and we believe in our Lord Jesus, we follow Him, no external acts needed, we are to become like Him, through His will.
We choose our religion based on the society into which we were born. This is obvious from looking at the geographical spread of religions throughout the world.
Who is "we", I never did that
Wow 😮
So people who praying 5 times a day and fasting for a month and doing good deeds, worshiping god 24/7 vs people who believe Jesus took away their sins so they could enjoy life will go to heaven. It doesn’t make sense at all.
Piety is good, and all which you mentioned are good things. But the action themselves is not an end in themselves. We pray to keep in relationship with God, we fast to exhibit self-control, so that we might be able to act properly when we most need it and offer up suffering such as God did. We do Good such that we might love our neighbor as we love ourselves. but these actions end up working us to being more aligned with God’s will. If done with true and proper intention. And the key thing is if people truly believe in Jesus, they will be changed. St. Paul’s letter to the Romans discusses it and I would recommend checking it out.
CORRECT .. GOD IS MERCIFUL
GOD PROVIDED A WAY WHERE THERE WAS NONE
OUR PENALTY IS PAID
@@godngunclinger Penalty for what? Eve eating a piece of fruit because a talking snake told her to?
@@anaccount8474 in america we must face a judge when we break the law
If someone pays our penalty we go free
Do you understand now? This is very simple
@@godngunclinger what law did we break?
John initiated the speech by saying choosing a religion is evidence based. Then went saying that christianity is a relationship based and didn't go about what evidence proofing christianity is the right religion. In other words christianity is based on faith on a relationship not evidence based religion.
Sure he may have didn't talk enough about the evidence but keep in mind he never said that you could PROVE it to be right either. For example, you can't even PROVE that without a doubt your mom loves you. Based on the evidence that's displayed between your relationship, that can lead you to conclude that she probably does love you for example. And he's saying that christianity if you're basing religion in the wrong definition, is more of a relationship with God in anyways because you don't have to EARN your way into heaven. You just accept him.
@@Hey.Arthur he started with there has to be evidence. I think he should have talked about what evidence he has instead of saying what he said. He made a claim and never proved it
The proof that Jesus lived that he did miracles that he died and rose again is not in doubt there are witnesses that are secular historians that collaborate that,what you have to believe or come to terms with is, do you believe what he claimed about himself being the Son of God, the truth the life the way.
@@robertnagle212 hi
Tha thing is, i need to know that what is said to be his words or claims are really his claim and no conclusions that people made about him. I have seen that people's understanding of who Jesus was is changing with time. From what i have seen, and correct me if i am wrong, the trinity was not there for some centuries after jesus. So after i make sure that these are his claim, i can then decide if i want to believe in him.
@@abdullahdubais7147 In this light why not ask Jesus himself if you really want an answer he will make himself known .I believe he is willing to reveal himself and it is good that you have questions it means you genuinely want the truth
Wow Just Wow
WOW!
Once you have the faith you find the evidence to prove it, because that is the way you see the world. As the man says "acceptance comes at the beginning". Once you've decided you'll see the proof - you have to.
Some things can only be seen through faith.
This is simply the problem of human bias. Everyone has a view they start out with, it is easy to state that their conclusions are merely post-hoc justifications to suit their a priori beliefs. It accomplishes nothing for the believing or disbelieving man it's just a way to dodge the question entirely.
@@XxBlumannxX The "evidence" is the same for everyone. The conclusion is different. How to explain the difference?
- The evidence isn't actual evidence.
- Cognitive bias.
@@XxBlumannxXhe is dodging the question alright. Not a shred of evidence was presented. Relationship as evidence? Relationship can end, evidence don't disappear.
Shouldn't be hard to know as a mathematician, trinity contradicts monotheism.
Do you believe in trinity?
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If you understand that we live in a multi dimensional world, then the Trinity makes perfect sense.
@@sdrchannel576 To a delusional for sure. That's why a delusional also thinks a god can die. And as the same time killing of an innocent (Jesus) forgives a sin. Also if Jesus revived, then his "acting death" is worthless and it was just an act. So many contradictions because a delusional has no logic to protect his mind from doing mistakes. How three can be one but at the same time they have separate minds and give orders to himself. We know Jesus was not a regular man. But that doesn't qualify the currpotion happened after that. You have no idea if the bible is truth. So why don't you search for the truth some where else. If you keep being in denial and stubborn. Then there is no difference between you and who Jesus was preaching and they refused to listen to him because they refused to think twice or leave their fathers corrupt religion.
He's amazing at not answering the question.
Have you seen a fundie answer a question?
@@Pikkabuu, good point. He appears not to know the difference between believing and knowing.
easy the one that will make you the most money MR. LENNOX
John Lennox, many legends have came and conquered.... We don't made heaven by merit, we made by acceptance which is grace. Unmerited favour
I decided not throw away every religion and hoping for the best religion that truly love me to come for me. Jesus Christ came for me to save me from my addictions and self hate.
Satan is the owner of every religion in the world and that's why every religion is the enemy of the true gospel of the Kingdom of God that Jesus Christ came to teach.
Christianity is not a religion. It is a relationship with our Creator.
If you had been indoctrinated in the culture of Hinduism, you would be taught that Krishna (at one time spelled Chrishna, before the Christians plagiarized the word Christ) came to earth to save only those of the Hindu faith. Christianity is very much a religion. I also was raised in a Christian environment, but could never believe that my soul would be saved, while the souls of others who were not Christian would be lost to salvation. That teaching smacked/smacks of deception, and suggests that all devotees in all other religions will not be saved. Religion should be a write-off.
@@junevandermark952 all I read was *blah blah blah* put a sock in it dumbo.
Much Love
@@junevandermark952 trust me. You’re wrong
@@lesblase3667 I don't trust those who believe they are either amateur, or, professional theologians, as it is all too obvious that they never trusted each other's words to be true. From the book … Brewer’s Dictionary of Phrase & Fable by Ivor H. Evans … First published 1817. … Odium theologicum (o di um the o loj ikim) (Lat.). The bitter hatred of rival theologians. No wars so sanguinary as holy wars; no persecutions so relentless as religious persecutions; no hatred so bitter as theological hatred.
@@lesblase3667 So, you refer to those you profess to love, as "dumbo?" lol
A little comparison between the 2 holy books:
1- The Bible:
It is separated into 2 parts, the Old Testament and the New Testament, and was written over the course of 1500 years by many authors who contributed to the authoring of the bible.
The Old Testament’s introduction is claimed to have been written by Moses and the rest was written by many different authors over many centuries BC, but historians and archeologists don’t know who the authors of the Old Testament, the stories that would later become the Bible were transferred by word of mouth across centuries, in the form of oral tales and poetry among the tribes of Israel, Eventually, these stories were collected and written down, concluding that it was written by waves of scribes during the first millennium BC, it took 900 years to write the old testament.
The New Testament:
They were written between approximately 70 and 100 AD,
1- The first, Mark does not mention virgin birth and was written (not by the disciple) 70-73 years after Christ’s death.
2- In both Matthew 80-90 and Luke 93-100 years after his death, add the claim of virgin birth so early.
3- John dates 100- 118 years after Christ's death They are written not as eyewitness accounts.
Over 30,000 changes in The New Testament according to (t.ly/tP12g ).
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John Barton (a British Anglican priest and biblical scholar):
Q1: How reliable is the Old Testament as a historical document?
A: Some parts, of the Old Testament, contain some real historiography, even though it may not all be accurate.
Q2: When was the Old Testament assembled into the book it is today?
A: Probably during the first century BC, and for a long time, it was a collection of individual scrolls, not a single book between two covers.
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Most scholars agree that they are the work of unknown Christians and were composed c. 68-110 AD. The majority of New Testament scholars also agree that the Gospels do not contain eyewitness accounts; but that they present the theologies of their communities rather than the testimony of eyewitnesses (rb.gy/f38yfn ).
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The Bible is full of contradictions: (t.ly/MDhal ) (t.ly/CPzMI ).
The Gospel of John is a relatively late theological document containing little accurate historical information that is not found in the three synoptic gospels, which is why most historical studies have been based on the earliest sources Mark and Q. (t.ly/dxAV7 )
Stories in the bible that are just not good for a holy book:
1- When Lot offers to send his daughters out to be raped by the angry crowd, and then later on they have sex with their father.
2- When God and his son Satan make a bet and kill all of Job’s kids to see how he handles it, but it’s not a big deal, because after God wins Job gets a new bunch of kids. Good thing children are so replaceable?!
3- The contradictory creation stories, where Man is either created first or last, depending on which part of Genesis you’re reading.
4- The bit where it states when and how you can sell your daughter as a slave. Or the one where it tells you to kill your children if they’re rude to you.
The Ebionites were one of several such sects that originated in and around Palestine in the first centuries AD and included the Nazarenes and Elkasites (70 AD - 400 AD), they believed in one God and taught that Jesus was the Messiah and were the true “prophet” mentioned in Deuteronomy 18:15. They rejected the Virgin Birth of Jesus, instead holding that he was the natural son of Joseph and Mary. The Ebionites believed Jesus became the Messiah because he obeyed the Jewish Law. (t.ly/H7-Ye )
Conclusions:
The bible is not a reliable source of belief nor a reliable source of history due to the changes that happened to it over the course of 3000 years which I believe can not be the case for a real holy book from an almighty god, and the trinity was debatable in the first centuries of Christianity and it’s not mentioned in the bible explicitly though it’s the main belief of Christianity.
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2- Quran:
In Islamic belief, it was the Messenger Muhammad who received the revelation directly. There is no other human intervention in the revelation, only (God => Gabriel => Muhammad). The story of how we got the Quran from the prophet to the book we have today is agreed upon by all Islamic sources and there are no Disagreements between them unless in some small details that are not really that effective in the course of the story.
Transferring the Qur’an was done in two ways:
First: The writing that was done for the Qur’an was done by order of the Messenger, for notable people to whom this matter was entrusted. The Messenger did not die until the entire Qur’an was written in his house, on boards of wood, bone, some papers, and stone, due to the scarcity of availability of papers at that time.
Second: Memorizing it through oral transmission from the great reciters and memorizers of the Companions. Those in turn received it from the Messenger, who approved of how to pronounce and perform it, it’s worth mentioning that the Quran has its unique style that makes you able to memorize it easily even if you aren’t a native Arabic speaker, and that’s agreed upon by Muslims throughout history.
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How the compilation of the Qur’an was done:
1- The Holy Qur’an was collected in one book during the reign of Abu al-Siddiq (the first Caliph), may God be pleased with him, because a lot of the memorizers of the Qur’an were killed in wars during that time, and they feared that the Qur’an would be lost. So Omar ibn al-Khattab suggested writing the Qur’an in one book. Abu Bakr initially opposed the idea because of his fear that he would do something that the Prophet had not done. After that, he sent Zaid bin Thabit to collect everything that was written as a piece of the Qur’an and collect it all in one book, and the way he did it simply by announcing that he would collect the Quran so if anyone had a copy of it written directly from the prophet bring it to him so he can review it with what is already memorized of the Quran (and it’s worth mentioning that he was one of the known memorizers of the Quran), then the whole Quran was collected in one book by 650 CE, which is 20 years after the death of Mohammed.
2- The Holy Qur’an was collected in a number of copies during the reign of Uthman. Another problem arose during the reign of Caliph Uthman, which was the multiplicity of tongues and the fear that the Qur’an would be distorted due to the story that the Muslims used when they differed in the way of reading the Qur’an. So he made a unified copy from which one could write, and he wrote the copies from the copy that was written in Abu Bakr’s ruling period which was written 20 years after the death of Mohammed, and it is crucial to mention that the difference was of “how to read” the Quran but the meaning was subtle to all.
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The Prophet died in the seventh century AD, and any copy of the Hafs narration from the 8th century until now is all the same without differences, but a manuscript at the University of Birmingham matches the text we have by 99%, and in a manuscript from Yemen called Sana’a Manuscript it matches by 95% ( The difference is just in the words, but they contain the same meaning. It is not known whether the two of them were before or after the Uthmani Qur’an. Therefore, we are not able to determine with 100% accuracy their origins.
(t.ly/TamjN )
And there are some Nmircal Miracles that implicitly prove that the Qur’an wasn’t edited (rb.gy/ylhh6y ) (t.ly/RAIj9 ), though they aren’t really a main miracle of the Quran and a lot of people (Muslims and non-muslims) believe that it’s just a coincidence that those patters exist but I find them interesting.
Reasons why it was hard to add something to the Quran over the course of all those many centuries: (t.ly/3gD-4 ).
Reasons why Mohammed couldn’t write the Quran by himself (rb.gy/ze470g ).
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It took 1500 for the bible to be written in the form of a book for the first time.
The Quran took 20 years after the death of Mohammed.
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It's normal to edit the bible in Christianity, it's forbidden to edit the Quran in Islam.
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Islam = Evidence of it being from no human being + Solid Construction that preserved the Scriptures + Faith
Christianity = Little Evidence of it being from god + No Solid Construction that preserved the Scriptures + Faith
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ladies and gentlemen
(Hebrews 11:1) Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.
I just love how Christians always act like they know better than the word of God itself. If Dawkins said faith is believing without evidence then he's referring to the biblical definition of faith.. That's literally what the Bible says about faith
The apostles had plenty of evidence to believe in Jesus, you know, his miracles,his words,hearing the testimony of John the baptist, and of the Father himself from heaven! They saw Jesus resurrected from the dead and so on.. The first belivers heard them speak in their languages at pentecost, miracles were performed by their hands, gifts of the Spirit ect! The apostle Paul that wrote the hebrews saw Jesus for himself, we now have the testimony of these men, they laid their life for their faith, we have historical evidence of Jesus, testimony of the Holy Spirit within us, testimony of our brothers and sisters how Jesus appered to them, how Jesus transformed their life, how He transformed our life... Miracles are done today in the name of Jesus and as the men of old we too have the scripture to search and see the fulfillment of prophecies in Jesus and also in the world!
So do you think that our faith is blind? No we have plenty of evidence, natural, historical and supernatural.. Faith without evidence is for example believing in Santa claued or some other myths, god of pagans!
God bless!
@@user-xb5oo5dd4f huh? A handful of people experienced the miracles Jesus performed first hand.. The rest of the population had to believe what others told them, without any evidence..
To make things worse, the gospels are neither accurate nor coherent. Meaning the only "historical" records of Jesus's life on earth are not even a good source of evidence, yet people still believe.
Most of the evidence you're referring to is biblical evidence. Meaning you're referencing the Bible to prove that the Bible is true.
So whether you like it or not, you believe in Jesus without sufficient evidence.
Angelique Norman Dawkins said "without evidence" and that's not what the Bible says....we Christian put our faith in Jesus Christ
Christian put faith in something written by Zero Eyewitness in a Book full of Edits just to think the word of Gawd needs to be edited The Gospels employ edits/contradictions around the Resurrection that never happened and to think that 500 more people were Resurrected as well but it is nowhere except in the Bible Fables Just think about the fact that with the many Roman Records that never talk about Jesus and 500 Zombies walking around why did not those Zombies not write down there stories down?
@@angeliquenorman1169 ---It was revealed that over FIVE HUNDRED people witnessed Christ's post mortem appearances. And, a great many of them were tortured and executed for their faith in a risen Christ. People do not die willingly for a hoax.
"The best cure for Christianity is reading the Bible."
Mark Twain
I bet Mark twain is regretting that statement.
@@vampirehunter533
Unfortunately you're not saying anything intelligent. You're only parroting what you've been indoctrinated with - obviously without the benefit of your intellect.
@@AtamMardes
Feel free to view my statement as unintelligent if you wish, and that I'm just parroting information around.
I could say you've been indoctrinated into the worldly atheistic views of things, and also that your parroting a statement Mark Twain made. Could you say actually who I may have been quoting.
If my first statement may have been taken to be offensive by some that was not my intention. I simply do not believe our physical deaths are the end of us.
@@vampirehunter533
Fossil & DNA evidence show evolution made man whether you like it or not. That's a fact, not indoctrination.
@@vampirehunter533 Answer this simple question honestly please.
*FACT:* You thank your God for giving life to you & you also thank your God for giving life to animals for you to take their lives & eat them.
*SIMPLE QUESTION:* Don't you see any hypocrisy, narcissism, ignorance & arrogance? Yes/No?
Revelation, Acceptance comes at the Beginning.
❤
The Bible is not evidence. It's just a book. Nothing separates Christianity from Judaism or Islam, other than which imaginary friend you believe in.
Lennox states that Christianity is evidence based, invites us to seek the evidence, claims that Christianity is superior to Judaism and Islam and then goes on to reference the Bible as evidence. The only problem with his reasoning and it's a huge problem, is that one must have faith in the Bible in order to believe it to be true and there is no evidence to suggest the Bible is anything more than myth.
Both the old and new testaments are full of contradictions and internal inconsistencies. The creation story in Genesis cannot be true because we know what the authors could not, namely the world is round and what goes on above the clouds. In the new testament there are so many differences between the gospels that one must suspend critical thinking in order to accept them and the prophecies of Jesus in the old testament fail at every level.
Ultimately, despite Lennox' assertions, Christianity really is about blind faith.
00:17 "many people have accepted Dawkins definition of faith is believing where there's no evidence that's nonsense faith is an ordinary word it's not just a religious word it's an ordinary word it means trust"
Merriam-Webster, Inc Definition of faith (Entry 1 of 2)
1a: allegiance to duty or a person : LOYALTY
lost faith in the company's president
b(1): fidelity to one's promises
(2): sincerity of intentions
acted in good faith
2a(1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God
(2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b(1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof
clinging to the faith that her missing son would one day return
(2): complete trust
3: something that is believed especially with strong conviction
especially : a system of religious beliefs
the Protestant faith
on faith
: without question
took everything he said on faith
Just as the word "theory" means two different things- one is the scientific use, and the other is common daily use. So it is with "trust".
*Lennox is, as always, knowingly and purposely deceptive and misleading in his replies.*
Okay.
Even if faith has the meaning that Lennox proposes, thats hardly the meaning used in the religious context.
It's just Lennox's trick to create a euphemism for the word "faith"
What Dawkins is describing is exactly the type of faith used by religious people.... Trust without evidence.
Outstanding. Keep it simple. He died, he did not die or he died and rose again. Where does the evidence lead?
I would like to make a comment but I don’t know what more to say, he has already said it all.
I love me a bit of stocking clad intellectual leg 👍
He explained this so beautifully and easily understood.
From my perspective, we have two choices. We can either believe that the universe was created by an entity that designed suffering as part of its plan ... or, we can believe (as did
And that’s why you don’t understand creation if that’s your basis of pain and suffering. As what this vid was all about, why question or make statements when you don’t even know?
Free will is the answer. The reason why there’s still evil and pain and suffering is because people willed it to exist. If we don’t will it, it won’t exist. Plain and simple.
@@ruacharyeh9655 The story is faulty. Within theology ... if a god gives free will, it should not create commandments, as that is plain and simple double-talk created by confused men. Within theological confusion, all forms of life did not have a choice in whether or not we wanted to BE created. I spent 70 years being confused by the conflicting stories, before I gave it all up, and now believe as did Stephen Hawking (before he died), that the universe never was created, but rather, always existed. No plan involved, and that means that suffering of all forms of life, is natural.
@@junevandermark952 then that simply answers the fallen state of man. If you’re still confused, He’s a personal God. Go ask Him directly with the truest intent in your heart to know the truth to end all of these confusions and reveal Himself to you if He’s real or not. You have nothing to lose but something to gain.
@@ruacharyeh9655 When I was trying to make sense of theology, I was confused. But now that I see that it was all man-created delusions, I'm no longer confused. If a god existed, it would be the one that was "fallen." No god in it's right mind, would create a universe where suffering of ALL it's creatures exists, and then expect only humans to appreciate that design as being holy. You and I know full well, that if we had the power to create a universe, suffering of any creatures, including human creatures, would not exist.
@@junevandermark952 you had me lost in man created theology. Stop listening to man. You’re still enamored by the creatures and not the creator. What does your science say about what holds everything in this physical plane? Things that aren’t seen. Things that are seen are made up of things that aren’t seen. You are seeing with your physical eyes for you’re seeing yourself lesser than what you’re created for like an animal. You are eternal.
That's why we orthodox say that Christianity isn't a religion, it's the way of life.