Explosive Horse Was Kicked Out Of Top Dressage Barns
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2023
- This horse was kicked out of three top dressage trainer's barns by age 6.
We intercepted him to give him another chance.
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"Sweet Spot with A Tense Horse" November 2013
After making sure he was calm and trusting on the ground we began rehabilitating him under saddle. The focus was to show him that our aids were there to HELP him FEEL BETTER!
He did so well we were able to find him a special human, and he is now her dream horse. ❤️ - Sport
I've used this exact method with a few super high-energy eventers and the response was the same. I prefer not to have to start a workout with leg yield and shoulder-in but it sure works for these extremely tight, hyper-ennervated horses that were likely pulled or held together by terrified riders. It's so rewarding to have them relax, stretch, and find the optimal range of movement within their own comfort zone. Absolutely lovely job with this horse!
Yeah… and he was turned out 24/7 once he got to our place so we weren’t taking him straight out of the stall with this. So nice you have gotten positive results too!
I was going to say. Perhaps he didn’t have a proper foundation and was asked to do too much of advanced stuff that he didn’t understand because lack of foundation so that’s why he was high energy and anxious. I think he could benefit with good ground work as well.
@@brookiebb4483 Yes, based on his behavior when he came to us, and how quickly we turned it around it is safe to say he wasn't handled, trained, or managed appropriately in those previous training barns. It was so lucky he finally came to us and found a new way.
We did plenty of groundwork, that is just not what this video was about.
Amazing transformation! Just shows that a little patience and empathy goes a long way!
I was a long distance rider with some very hyper Arabians. After years of riding the traditional way and really struggling with the guilt of battling my horses through their mouths when they would get extra fired up, I decided to give up the bit for a homemade very light and thin rope halter/ hackamore and then gave up the saddle. The result was incredible. Yes they would still fire up and I would still battle with their energy at times but i was no longer doing it through their mouth. They were happier, I was happier and we became so fine tuned to each other that it was like we read each others minds. Mind you sitting on a ridgy spine for 12 hours was not comfortable for either of us so I sewed 2 sheepskins together, fluffy side in, and the suade had some grip on both sides and and provided enough padding to make it super comfortable. In fact I now struggle with the comfort of saddles!
I understand there is a place for a bit, but I now feel they are old school and really unnecessary. However the choice of halter/ hackamore is important. I went through about 10 or more designs before I found the correct one that would not cause discomfort but would give clear signals that my horse would be able to interpret, and also become uncomfortable (not painful) when my horse got a little too hot headed and wouldn’t listen.
I'm surprised more dressage horses aren't explosive. Nice transformation with this one.
The first thing on their training pyramid is actually relaxation. I’m more surprised that this guy had trouble. He must’ve been under some awful trainers.
Amazing transformation. No tail swishing! Love the ears!
I was just going to mention his ears!
An amazing transformation! What a beautiful boy, too! I hope to come out of Equestrian retirement soon! I miss it so bad!
I just love watching these beautiful horses being treated with love and respect. ❤
I grew up with hunter jumpers and came to love working with them without reins. This rider does not interfere with her lovely horse and instead supports him. Brava!
Wonderful job! We use all leather side-pull headsets when working with fresh OTR Thoroughbreds and Standardbreds. Taking full pressure off the mouth for a while really helps their minds set and allows them to chill out and focus. Wonderful transformation this horse has made!
What a transition in thought of mind for this horse. He is beautiful in his movement. I can imagine how he will look over time. Thank you for doing this for him.
Just lovely to see him responding to the rider’s soft and calm aids. I am sure that her energy is calming him also. Awesome job!
Lateral movement engages the mind & produces calmness. The reward is to go straight. Your video demonstrates beautifully how yielding is achieved quietly & calmly. Thank you ❤
That was awesome. I listen to your Podcast while cleaning jng my stalls. I mostly ride western but love to teach moves to my horses and spread had been doing a natural training ❤
Best dressage training video I’ve ever seen. I’m now curious to see more. This perspective is rare, but so valid. That of helping the horse find relaxation with the rider.
Thanks so much! I’m glad you found it helpful. It’s what we do! Feel free to check out the website and contact us to see how else we can help. Dressagenaturally.net
I had a quarter horse one time I bought from an auction because he was so hard to handle and I went through much the same training with him and ended up with one of the best horses I ever had! We ended riding with a hackamore.
Also rode a couple QH's who had been pushed by " trainers " to make them " 90 day wonders " . 😒 Stalled / turned out by my quietest horses , a few days of just hanging out w/ them in the indoor , then started as if never ridden w/ light lunging , then first rides just walk , big loopy turns , stop , dismount . Everything done in " slow motion " w/ lots of soft voice & neck rubs . The reward was to eventually see , hear & feel a big sigh of relief from the horses when they realized someone cared about & understood them . Went on to be calm , sweet western pleasure show horses . 💙
Kudos to the young lady on board! Some horses transform without a bit, and he looked fabulous and relaxed in the halter. If he was mine, I would put him on cattle or obstacles so he could just have fun!❤
Good job, yes that is how I start horses to find forward relaxing
This was a pleasure to watch. Thanks.
What a difference 👏🏻
Love that I found this channel 🤩
Beautiful!
This was wonderful Karen -I love this soft loose rider Shawna -we all can learn from watching this relaxed reeducation .
Great video! Thanks Karen!
Incredible horsemanship!
Shauna did great with him! Amazing results when the trainer puts the horse ahead of results. Yes, it is all about partnership. So glad this beautiful boy is with you. Thank you, Karen.
I really like your approach! Bravo 👏👏👏
Thanks! 😍🤩
Most notable change is the flat, aeroplane ears when he starts to let go. A surprise since I've always associated it with internal tension.
Glad to see that had started to change to a more "normal" ear carriage after a few more weeks work in the halter.
Dressage training can be quite cruel. I hope this gorgeous horse is finding understanding with kind trainers. The tight headset is obviously one thing the horse was fighting. Loose head is relaxed horse
Dressage training scales followed correctly have kept my horse sound and fit for 20 yrs ! now 23 and doing adv medium music so why is dressage cruel, please explain
And I dont use a whip on a horse that need destressing and calming
@@joannecroft5831but you use tight neck flexion most assume?
This is phenomenal. What a good boy!!! I’m so grateful you spoke his language. I learned a lot watching this short excerpt of his transformation. Thank you for sharing this.
that was great to see! Thank you for taking him on. Kindness and understanding and patience , and skill with those things, leads to goodness and goodness leads to magic. (paraphrased from Cinderella movie 2015)
Bravo!!
What a wonderful transformation.
Thats pure beauty to watch!!
This was so familiar and so helpful. This horse even looks like my horse!
Oh my-what a difference!
The floppy ears 😍
Horses not getting any release of pressure of their mouth and the bit hurting when it is pulled on. Horses get over constant pressure, circles, round yards, dressage areanas etc. What they need is a loopy rein and a change of scenery such as a trail ride. There are books on using the trail to do exactly the same exercises though stimulate the horse and take the same old same old out of it.
Look how his ear position changed, beautiful video
What the hell, what a difference! I did not think that was possible in one session!
it was over more than one session... the video shows progress over a couple weeks 🙂
Are your teachings based off of parelli I see alot of your teachings in my riding. Made me reall happy, great video. :)
Please don't let him go back to his previous trainer.
If you read in the video description we found a ‘forever human’ for him and he is her dream horse. He is so happy with his lovely amateur rider.
Poor guy. I have seen some bl00dy awful "high level" dressage riders ruin horses. It's hard to fathom what horses have to put up with, and they can't exactly speak English and defend themselves.
Thanks for this interesting video. I wonder what breed he is. Maybe Lusitano? What conclusions could you draw from him being more relaxed without the bit? Are regular dental checkups a thing where you are? 🍀👍
He is lusitano. Yes his teeth were checked. He had trauma from old training. We needed to do things differently. As a rule i start all my horses bitless anyway, so it is normal for me to take the bit out and eliminate one source of problems. You may enjoy this blog. blog.dressagenaturally.net/69-to-bit-or-not-to-bit
I also wondered if he was Spanish bred. Beautiful horse, they are very smart and learn quick. Great work done in this session.
I wonder how he'd go in one of Jesse Drent's Nalanta bridles. I've had great success with them.
he goes great in rope halter, bridle, and this bitless so no need to look further shop.dressagenaturally.net/collections/home-page-featured/products/riding-halter-bitless-bridle
Really cool approach, I so appreciate your openness and enthusiasm to find the right way to harmonize with this beautiful boy!
Just out of curiosity, was there a reason to sit rather than rise the trot? Not a critique, just curious why that seemed like the better option in this case. Clearly rider has a good seat but in my experience with an explosive dressage horse, I could always find better/easier relaxation staying off his back as much as possible. Clearly you know what you are doing and are good at it, just interested to learn more! :)
Remember this is an excerpt of a full video which is still just a fraction of the time spent riding him…. So is not an accurate indication of time spent rising vs sitting across all the time he was ridden.
Every horse is different and we found that when he was especially ‘squirrely’ in the beginning stages when sitting we could give more of a consistent stable message which was what we wanted.
The reality was he needed more information rather than less.
But the question of when to rise and sit is definitely a factor with every horse that must be considered and tested, for sure, to see which works best to help them understand and do what we are aiming for in that moment
I think that horse hated the bit, and his attitude seemed to shift rapidly once the bit was removed from the equation.
Did you notice the video at the end where we were riding with the bit? The problem was absolutely not caused by the bit.
However many horses don’t like bits which is why I always do bitless during training. Then when the horses is OK we re-introduce it and see what happens. This particular horse was fine with the bit (as you can see).
To think this change was only about taking the bit off would be to miss the point. Humans tend to focus on equipment. I strongly doubt that if the previous trainers had merely switched to bitless he would have been perfect.
The problem was much deeper than that.
Not surprisingly, these techniques work terrifically with hyper aware and distracted dogs (dogs that can also have the “dangerous” label.
✨Karen💓🤘
Great example of pretty riding isn’t always effective and effective riding isn’t always pretty ❤
This was very interesting! I'm curious, though: did this horse ever get back into his bridle, or will he be going bitless for good? Did you ever figure out why the bridle created so much tension in the first place? I'd love to see the follow up.
Yes, he became fine in the bridle. The bit was never the problem, but we took it off for a while just to make his experience different than previous.
@@KarenRohlf Thank you! That's fascinating. My mare had a similar episode at the end of last year. We worked through it - using techniques similar to yours, actually - and she's fine now, but I'd love to know what caused it in the first place. It was clearly tension and a feeling of claustrophobia, just as you say, but I've no idea what from.
@@profe3330 it’s difficult at any time with Horses to know exactly what caused things. What is important is where we go from the present moment. That is the only thing Horse cares about anyway :-) most horses are naturally claustrophobic. Some need more help to overcome it.
@@KarenRohlf That makes sense. :) Anyhow, I just subscribed to your channel, and I plan to watch more of your videos. Thank you!
I have a equine rescue which deals with behavioral problems from previous owners... Neglect, physical abuse, starvation and stupidity......
I deal with hotter breeds of equine who are the most misunderstood...
Mission: Quality life and longevity after abuse, neglect..... Medicine with stress reducing capabilities is not necessarily the go to quick fix most look for .....How many owners before yourself, type of equine, task or job, disciplined applied..... Ground work, exercise, conditioning to the task or environment before them...A fly bonnet which covers ears help with loud speaker and crowd's, noise....
Best of Luck....
How to find a bad rider; they blame the horse
Define "Top Dressage Barn" ? Thx ~
Not the horse's fault. A horse is a reflection of the person handling him.
WE, for sure, weren’t blaming the horse. I dont think anything in this video gives the impression that we think it’s the horse’s fault
@@KarenRohlf Title of video: 'Explosive horse..........' That phrase is blaming the horse.
@@gerrycoleman7290 , no, that describes what he did, in the words the previous people used... did you even watch the video?
@@KarenRohlf Attention grabbing title attempt. Implying it is the horse's fault. Typical in the horse world to blame the horse instead of taking personal responsibility.
@@gerrycoleman7290 did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed today or are you always this righteously grumpy? The title states the facts. You are in control of your own attention and where you put it. If you don't approve, feel free to keep scrolling. Or perhaps watch the video. It's a happy ending. It might cheer you up.
I have to ask... competitive dressage barns??
He should never have been ridden on such a short rein in the first place. Sadly, shortcuts a-plenty in some “dressage centers “.
Too much pressure, too much work for these young horses.
Turn him loose with a couple of 13-14 year old girls who have been riding bareback their whole lives, with a rope halter, pond, open fields, woodsy trails and let them PLAY for a summer. Just play. Young horses need that. Then see if he has a change in attitude.
What is he eating?
The same thing he was eating a week later when going so well. Minus the “calming supplements” the previous owner was throwing at him
He was done with the BULLSHIT… controlling human selfishness … FREEDOM FOR ALL…
There a 2 more things that would help that horse. #1 get him out away from home and in the hills and trees and let him enjoy a good ride. Horses with that much energy need to get the gas tank emptied to about half full before asking him to do anything. #2 With the relaxing ride and the gas tank not quite so full practice bending on the ground till his feet stop.
I realize this short video does not tell the whole story… he did get to go through fields etc.
however i disagree with ‘emptying the gas tank’ as a general strategy for horses like this. Too much energy is not the problem. fear, confusion, and tension were the problems. As the video showed, when the fear and confusion were dissolved, the energy was positive.
Too many people use exhaustion as a training technique. I do agree horses need to be allowed to move freely.
Re: bending til the feet stop - i know that technique, a classic NH shut-it-down method… but it was the wrong one for this horse. He didnt need control to stop, he needed to find relaxation thru aids during movement
And every horse is different. This was an interesting case hence the video about it.
The horse was helped just fine and for years has had an amazing new partner. A total success story.
I was going to say why not take the bit away altogether. Why use it at all?
As you can see in the video we did take it away. Later also as you can see he accepted it and it is used in a refined way. In daily life then it can be used as best for each horse. You may enjoy this in-depth blog on the subject
blog.dressagenaturally.net/69-to-bit-or-not-to-bit
he needs a good ride on a trail something fun not just aroun around
What makes you think we only worked him? Did you watch the video to see the difference?
Did anyone give him a spine examination? He looks like he’s in pain to me
Did you watch the video to see the results within weeks? Did you read the description of the rest of his story? Do we need to list his whole medical history? Post his joint xrays, dental history, saddle fit? How much extra information would you like?
Why is she carrying the whip. No a criticism - curious because when I carry one my horse speeds up.
He’s not afraid of the stick. It’s easy to touch different parts of his body to bring awareness. The first step and using any tools is to make sure the Horse is not afraid of them first.
Why start mounting on a three year old that is not fully grown out yet physically...why don't People wait until they are 5 or 6 even better. Good job done.for.this horse
Maybe he was being hurt and got sick of that. Why does he have shoes on? Are the shoes necessary? Try him without shoes for a year.
Yes his past experiences were hurtful. Thats why he ended up with us. This is not a video about hoof care but since you asked he had shoes when he came and often horses need time to acclimate and heal before being sound barefoot so we didnt rip them off and risk causing him more discomfort.
Believe it or not we do think about such things. All my horses are barefoot. This short video does not tell every detail. When you don’t have all the information perhaps trust that we did not do the worst by him and perhaps we made some good decisions. You may enjoy this podcast dressagenaturally.net/podcast-library/ep151-suspending-judgment/
Maybe mix up his training to something new and relaxing. Where his riding isn't always about work, work, work. Trail riding is great for that. New scenery, get away from the constant arenas, etc...
Yes, exactly. This is what we gave him when he came to us.
This is a short video demonstrating a specific technique to change the relationship he has with the aids. Why on earth would you assume that all we did was "work work work" inside an arena, particularly when the majority of even this short video takes place outside an arena, and he obviously became more relaxed. Take a look at the description/information below the video - it was a complete success and a very happy ending.
(PS: Also don't assume all horses find trails relaxing).
Just because a horse has the bloodlines to train and compete a certain way doesn't mean the horse will fit in that style of work. I feel sorry for this beautiful horse. Perhaps some other style of riding, something with less mouth contact and aids used would defuse the tense behavior. Just remember the theory of the square peg in the round hole. Maybe an eventer? Maybe a jumper? I would never want to ride dressage. I love watching it but I deserve to ride the way I want. Should we not give horses the benefit of the same choice?
@348Tobico Did you watch the video and read the description? This was a success story. Or are you using this video to talk about some other horses?
He does not want to be a dressage horse. Let him be a personal mount and go out for nice country hacks and he would have none of these problems. remove the bit, whip and spurs, allow him a life in a pasture with other horses instead of a stall, and you'd have a happy horse.
Such a confident response that misses the whole point. Consider making fewer assumptions and actually watching the video and reading the description.
Did you start out with him doing basic ground work. It seems that riding him at this point is dangerous and nonproductive. Why not walk him about, do some ground work, walk him about etc for perhaps weeks until he calms down. Smacks and just hanging out, grooming and baths, etc. How is he with the farrier?
As I write in the video: Our first priority was that felt safe in his environment and felt our attitude of partnership towards him... so to answer your question: Yes, of course... he had time to just hang out and be with us.. but that was not his issue... the issues showed up with riding. (yes, we evaluated him physically, etc etc). the real healing came not from avoiding the riding, but by this nuanced difference in how aids were applied...That is what THIS short video is about.... In my humble opinion, we were quite successful.
Without the WHOLE story, try not to assume the worst. ;-)
@@KarenRohlf You're doing a good job. He's lucky to have landed with you.
Maybe he wants to do Western riding.
Why not just leave him be to let him find relaxation and quit riding him? Why does he have to be “fixed” when he clearly hates being ridden?
I’ll guess that was a real question… I realize a short video can’t tell the whole story but when he arrived our intention was not to ‘fix’ him but to understand him and see how we can lessen his fears.
His problems were human-caused and perhaps we could show him a different way humans could be with him.
I have done this with other horses where the answer was to stop riding.
This horse quickly relaxed on the ground and riding. He changed very quickly when he understood we wanted him to trust and relax…. But if we never rode him differently he would not know he could that. Of course if this idea hadn’t worked quickly we would have gone to plan B, adapting to what he showed us
I’m not sure of your experience with such situations but to make such big changes with just a few rides over a couple weeks is quite dramatic.
We found a forever home with a sweet amateur rider and he continued to be relaxed. Not sure if you read that part of the description.
If you look at only the beginning of the video i could see how you could choose to make that assumption that he hates being ridden. If you don’t know me and what i do perhaps you could assume i only fix and force horses to do things they hate.
OR you could see the end of the video and how relaxed he is… and entertain the idea that i do care about relationships trust and relaxation with horses. You can go to dressagenaturally.net to learn more…. Or not.
If they don't deal with his problems, if someone doesn't address what is bothering him, then there is no future for him. IE it's a fast track downhill, and possibly ending up some day in a slaughterhouse.
Horses have to have jobs, and they have to be competent or trainable in those jobs. If not, their future really is at risk.
Sorry, but higher level dressage is torture. If he was explosive he hated it. Let him find his place, maybe trail riding.
Higher level, Dressage is not necessarily torture. The key is to monitor each individual no matter what the sport or discipline. I have met plenty of horses who are quite anxious on trail rides. If you watch the video, you will see how much he changed. And if you read the description, he will note that he since found a wonderful amateur rider as his forever human and he is her dream horse so I would say we were successful. Whether or not he goes on to higher levels is up to him
Somebody was pushing him too far, too fast, and with no sympathy. Have been in a competitive dressage barn, and have seen that happen, plus worse. Include unnecessary surgeries as well.
Horses are inherently dangerous and explosive. One of my OTTB was the same way. It’s an instinct.
Yes and… training shouldnt cause it. Training should help them release their fears and gain understanding and build cooperation.
That is the whole point of the video.
@@KarenRohlf I agree, I see it all the time :(
This is Libel and Slander. This horse was never kicked out of any barn or mistreated in his training. You need to return my calls, retract you claims verbally and written publicly and take down this video or I will take legal action. To blatantly lie about a horse’s past experiences and treatment is a serious claim. Please give me the name of the individual that stated what you have described about his treatment under anyone’s care before he came onto your property after which you found a buyer for $1.
Sometimes a horse is just not meant to be fixed but just be the horse he is. He had a troubled mind and was claustrophobic, not abused.
Stop selling yourself under faults statements. You should be a shamed of yourself trying to fool people looking for honest knowledge.
Return my phone calls.
Uh huh. *popcorn* 😄 @brucerivers criminal lawyer.
@@susantunbridge4612 I think she was labeling what her comment is.😉