I thought I knew everything about The Shining. I had no idea that Shellie Duvall was nominated for a Razzie. That blows my mind because it's of my opinion that she absolutely knocks it out of the park. I personally think it's one of the best acting performances I've ever seen in a horror movie. It didn't even seem like she was acting, that that was her real emotions happening in front of us.
Personally, I think what makes The Shining so everlastingly good is the fact that it's one of the few movies that genuinely make you feel uneasy and uncomfortable from the opening credits and never lets up
The opening music might have been a contributing factor to that. Imagine if the opening musical score was "Yakety Sax" (aka the "Benny Hill Theme"); it could have changed the entire tone of the movie.
I’ve actually been to the Stanley Hotel in Colorado. It was very beautiful and they took us on a tour and talked about Stephen King’ stay, they showed us Room 217, and they even talked about the hotel scene from Dumb and Dumber (1994) was filmed there too.
Which was it again? Was it 217 in the Movie and 237 in the book, vice versa? Or was it some other numbers. I forget which one it was. Edit: Nevermind, Minty actually answered my question in his memorabilia segment.
I first watched The Shining in 2004. It's a classic. Jack Nicholson gave an Oscar worthy performance as Jack Torrance and it's a shame he didn't get a Oscar nomination for his chilling portrayal of the recovering alcoholic writer gone psychopath. I like to believe Nicholson got cast as The Joker in Batman cos of his performance as Jack Torrance.
@@nsasupporter7557 My father is a Jack Nicholson fan. I like to think he named and my mother named me and my brother after Jack and Danny from the movie. My brother's middle name is Nicholas.
Behind this comment that is behind this series.If starting a new Minty episode does not get a smile then that person is at a level of uptightness that may be uncureable. Like stick up butt is so far up it is like a bee stinger and if removed it will kill. Talking Karen level douchebagness.
I find the soundtrack and the complete chaotic vagueness part of what makes the film so unsettling. Not having read the book when I first saw it at ten years old, I found the flashes of the ghosts terrifying. Particularly because they were the ultimate unknown. Why were they there...what were they doing? The more I watch it, the more I appreciate the spiraling decent into madness.
For me, the scariest and most memorable part of the movie is the hotel itself. The production design and Kubrick's camera placements pretty well make every scene look like the hotel is 'enveloping' the characters. And yes, speculation in Room 237 claims Kubrick wanted this incongruousness layout to mystify the viewers. But I'm just amazed the vastness achieved in the confines that had to be worked in. And is interesting how after Jack kills Halloran, the shots and hotel get more confined and claustrophobic. Hallways, rooms, the maze all just become small and close to the characters. So again, pretty amazing how Kubrick minimized things at the end after such wide and open sets beforehand. Almost like the hotel and it's surroundings was an open mouth at first that slowly started closing around all the characters.
I think it meant the madness and evil were closing in around them, especially Jack, and everything was coming to it's inevitable and bloody conclusion.
Between the novel and the film the characterization for the entire family was off, I can totally understand why he hates it, it's a poor representation of the source material on many levels.
I do wish they showed the more sympathetic side of Jack like they do in the book, you feel bad for him more. In the movie, he just starts off already unlikable and angry.
EVERY Stephen King protagonist is based on Stephen King! Oh look at that, a writer with a drinking problem! I wonder who could possibly have been his inspiration??
Personally, that's my main reason why I love The Shining! Not everything has to be explained! It's all up to the viewers themselves to determine what's what. There's no right or wrong definitive answers to it. And the more times you watch it, you come up with even more theories to the solution. That's the beauty of this film for me. Nowadays with horror movies, they don't do this anymore. They have to explain everything in great in depth details to the audiences to what's going on. They never let the audiences try to solve or come up with theories themselves to speculate to what's happening. The film is a lot scarier when you don't explain everything. And The Shining is a perfect example of a film where it leaves you unanswered and wondering what happened. I LOVE THIS MOVIE!
The other beauty about it is much of the "oddness" is subliminal. Like there's a scene when Jack goes into the office for an interview and there's a window with an outside view...considering the way he got to the office, there's no way that office would have a window. There's lots of that. Like when Billy is riding his big wheel...."how'd I end up back here"?
"Room 237" and the channel Collative Learning address this. The architecture of the Overlook as seen in the film is flat out impossible. Doors to rooms are close together, but inside they're so huge they should be spilling into each other. Mapping out what's seen when Danny is riding his Big Wheel only adds further confusion
I love how King came up with the idea for The Shining. With his mind it's just as likely That he came up with Maximum Overdrive one morning when his toast didn't pop all the way up and when he was using a fork to pull it out he got a shock. Then he tripped over the cord, etc. etc.
i imagine it came to him while remembering his ICU hospitalization & tha multiple life threatening surgeries he endured after he got run over by bryan smith in 99
I always thought it was rather odd that the Torrances would only come to the Overlook one day before closing if they were expected to look after that huge hotel for months. You'd have think they could have spent at least a week there before closing to find their way around and know where things were. That has always been my biggest glitch in the story.
This was also true of the original book (the Torrance family showing up as everyone else was checking out.) There was so much about the book that Kubrick didn't keep that I think this had to be a deliberate choice on his part. . But I would say that this is even stranger in the movie because Jack isn't taking over from a regular caretaker who stays there for the entire season, as he is in the book. This is actually a really strange thing about the film, and I've never thought of it before. What kind of sense does it make to NOT have a regular caretaker who's there for the season when the hotel is open? (remembering that Halloran is just the cook, not a caretaker.) There has to be a reason why Kubrick chose to make that change.
It plays into Jack having always been there. The dejavu that he’s been there before. And in my opinion that Ullman and Watson are extensions of the hotel that doesn’t want everything to go right and are setting him up for disaster.
I agree with Minty in the sense that both Kubrick and King clashing made the movie so rich in symbolism and enigmatic cause there are two great minds at play. Thanks for covering 10 more things, I’m loving this!
There always more facts to a particular movie that Minty have done, it's a lot to go through, cool video as always Minty, keep up the good work and take care and you have a great weekend
“The Shining” reminds me, in its pacing, of the proverbial frog in a pan of lukewarm water on a stove, with heat gradually added. The frog doesn’t notice he’s being cooked until it’s too late.
Love these "more" videos. keep them coming. I collect autographs and the Shining fills up one of my little binders. I met the Grady Twins and Danny at a con not too long ago. The gem in my Shining collection? Scatman Crothers.
Easily one of the most remarkable movies ever made. And one of the greatest cinema experiences I've ever had. This coming from someone who came from a broken home. When seeing this originally, I was awesteuck because jack seemed so much like dad. And givens the extreme pressure of the circumstances he is faced with, long Winter nights in a haunted hotel while trying to write and keep up with current affairs. And having a small child I could sympathize with both Danny and Jack. Making it even more chilling because it's like voting for either the zombies or the human survivors in an apocalyptic zombie movie. Absolutely a great movie. And as far as movie posters my favorite is the one they chose, but my runner up would be one with Steve's clown face on it ' what the fuck happened?!"😝
Exactly part of what makes The Shining so uncomfortable is the dysfunctional family scenario. Watching the adults fighting brings back a lot of unpleasant painful memories from childhood experience that many of us try to forget! Kubrick knew what he was doing! 😳
It was surreal. I found it hard to accept it could be a place in time & space at all with such energy involved. One would think there would be wandering sages & monks alike warding all the world in ceremonial dance.
Yes; I've said it many times - The Shining and Mommie Dearest are totally different movies depending on whether or not you grew up in an abusive home. I've been to screenings of both where the majority of the audience laughed like they were at a Three Stooges comedy. Meanwhile, you can see that some viewers are sitting there experiencing flashbacks.
Having read the book, I was amazed the scene where Jack briefly regains control and realises he's possessed (warning his wife to run in the process) didn't make it into the movie. It was truly chilling to read as you realise that he is truly damned and not in control.
A masterpiece from start to finish. Shelley Duvall doesn't get a lot of credit. It's funny that in the beginning, they mention how much she is a fan of horror films...well, towards the end, she gets the horror movie of her life. I like the book but the film is more interesting. And yeah the TV miniseries is not the greatest thing but it has some decent moments here and there. Yeah, there are some interesting analyses about the Shining but the moon landing theory is just dumb.
I couldn't disagree more about the book vs. movie. The book is an absolute masterpiece of horror, but I found the movie to be a tremendous letdown in comparison. I agree completely about the moon landing theory, though. It's a ridiculous thing to think, BUT it does appear that Kubrick was trolling the conspiracy theory nuts. 😂😂😂
Definitely. Look at his performances in the likes of Insomnia and 24 Hour Photo! Being known more for comedy and yet him being a great actor made the times he darkened his acting for a serious role really have an impact!
I saw Empire on opening weekend. The first time I saw The Shining was in 1981 when it came out on VHS, my dad bought it instead of renting it because it was a favourite of his, he saw it 3 or 4 times in theatres. The cover art was different than the poster, it was a small square picture of Jack frozen in the snow on a black and neon green checkered design, I was 11 and that photo looked like a zombie to me, Dawn of the Dead was a favourite horror of mine so of course I had to watch it. I was a little bit disappointed there were no zombies but the nekkid chick in the tub freaked me out.
I just looked up how much my dad paid for an original VHS copy of The Shining, roughly $80 Canadian. Someone on eBay is selling a copy for $9,000!!! Holy shit!!!
@@brandonpage7087 To this day if I go in a bathroom and the shower curtains block my view of the bathtub I open the curtains to make sure there's nobody having a soak, just in case. I don't even believe in the supernatural but that scene stuck with me.
I saw this with my mother and siblings while stopped on the way to staying in a cabin in the mountains, suffice to say we were quite terrified. I find it hard to believe anyone who saw it on the big screen disliked this masterpiece.
In the film when the guy who hires Jack talks about the tragedy of Grady killing his family, he mentions that Grady's girls were something like 8 and 10 years old when they were murdered. They weren't supposed to be twins, just sisters that were a couple of years apart.
@@TheBOG3 They always reminded me of my sister and me. We were a year apart, but Mom was a twin and didn't know how to raise two girls any other way. So she gave us rhyming names and always dressed us alike. There's a picture of us somewhere in blue dresses that look kind of like the ones in the movie.
I do believe in the theory that there are undertones having to do with the Native American genocide. I also believe Jack Torrance was part of the Overlook Hotel in a previous life. This is implied when he’s eating breakfast in bed and says he seems to know what’s around every corner of the hotel.
When Ullman is giving Jack & Wendy the tour, he casually mentions that the Overlook was built on a burial ground and that construction crews fought off raids. In the Colorado Room, he describes the art as being from various tribes that at best had nothing to do with each other, and at worst were enemies. So clearly there was no input, they just threw in whatever looked nice
I heard a pretty good theory that Jack doesn't actually look the way he does in the movie, that he's possessed by the ghost of someone who looked like that, who is the guy in the picture.
I'm pretty sure hanging out at your house and playing The Shining board game and watching sick ass movies out of your video store is probably the only thing there is to do in Australia... maybe one day I'll fly out
The face in the Shining poster looks very much like a certain face featured a short moment in the movie The Exorcist. Considering that Kubrick was offered to direct The Exorcist, I think it's possible.
I HIGHLY suggest everyone watch the Shining the Wendy Theory. Everyone knows that Kubrick was notorious for literally setting up every scene, placing everything in each shot. He also kept rewriting the script and no one understood many of his changes. And many point out that there are too many errors with items being switched out from shot to shot. He also put actress Shelley Duvall thru hell. He did this because his story was actually about Wendy Torrance going crazy, not Jack. The video explains it in a way that if you're a fan of Kubrick, it makes sense.
I’ve been watching your videos for years and always wanted to drop you a note about how much I enjoy them. This one on The Shining is one of your best. So well researched and written. Keep them coming.
If you want to know what that weird, random scene with the dude and another dude in some weird animal costume was all about...here ya go: In the book, Jack spends a bunch of time in the basement of the hotel, going over old records and newspaper articles about the hotel. He learns a TON of stuff that has 0 relevance to anything beyond the page it is written on but, due to that section, we learn that the hotel has a shady past, mainly due to the people that owned it (pretty sure one previous owner had been a mob boss or something). Anyway, you see what I mean about useless info. So, it turns out that the son of the owner loves to throw parties in the hotel ballroom. The son is pretty much the stereotype of a spoiled son of someone wealthy, and he's gay. He has a boyfriend who dresses as a bear during a party in the hotel, acting like the animal. The spoiled son enjoys mocking his BF, who is likely with him for the money, and oh...apparently they're furries, as well. At least, on occasion. So what you caught a glimpse of, in that scene in the movie, was a man in a bear suit about to throw down mighty on that other man. (Read this one twice, but it's been like, 8 years since I last read it. Some details might be off, but the point is the same)
The subplot of the Jack discovering the history of has lots of relevance in the book. 1 Jack decides to write and the book on the overlook and 2 uses his knowledge to get back at the owners of the Overlook who in the book detest Jack and didn't want him for the job.
Thanks man. Finally, mystery solved. When I was a kid, upon seeing the Shining, for the first time, that scene freaked me out, & stuck with me for many years afterwards. Good to finally have some sort of explanation for the scene.
@@brandonpage7087 Yeah, I always thought it was a VERY weird choice for them to include that scene at all, as they literally give you no information in the movie that explains this in any way.
I remember when The Shining came out, it didn't get much attention until it's video as well as it's cable TV release and was when I first saw it. I hear a bunch of people say they didn't like it on their first viewing BUT I think folks that feel that way, they totally get the movie without realizing it. The movie makes the viewer uneasy and since raises more questions than it answers in the viewers mind, they come away confused.....which was the point of the movie. The Shining is a true Psychological Horror film
That's not true. The Shining was released the same weekend as The Empire Strikes Back (oops!) and only had a limited release. It wasn't that the film didn't get much attention, it certainly did! It was overshadowed by the most anticipated movie in the world. The film actually did fairly well despite it's competition and it's small distribution.
I just heard a podcast (who knows if this is true) that said Stephen King got the idea for the Shining while he and his family went on a vacation... King tried to do some writing, but his kid(s) were making too much noise, King imagined killing them for the sweet relief of silence, and from there that's how he got the idea for the Shining
I never saw the Shining in theaters - but i would have seen it on cable - at around age 12 or 13 - probably alone while my Mom worked evenings. It scared the living crap out of me for years.That bathtub - as a young 13 year old - was one of the most enticing and terrifying things imaginable. And yet i kept coming back to it. It haunted me in more ways than one. I've seen this movie now dozens of times, and while the scare factor has decreased, the sense of dread and of psychological horror have never left. And now i'm better able to appreciate the sheer artistry involved in this films creation. Thanks for the fun video - i loved the bit about your memorabilia.
I remember seeing the trailer for The Shining at a showing of Superman - The Movie. I've always been a horror fan and was just 23 when The Shining premiered. The Trailer fascinated the voracious horror fan in me, and I was determined to see the movie. I had already read the book and knew this movie would be a winner. The Shining is one of my most favorite movies ever, and I never miss it when it is shown on television at Halloween.
I'm a huge Stephen King fan. I just finished The Stand. Currently reading IT. But I think this movie is a rare example of "movie was better than the book" and there's no way King doesn't secretly appreciate the artistic vision of this film. He's salty that his story had been changed so much. But they're all changes for the better. Maybe King is jealous that Kubrick did The Shining better than he did. Kubrick is simply a master and the best director of all time.
Nahh, king hates it cuz it butchered his book. It has no heart and king is big on all his stories having that. Pubrick was good but way overrated for having 500 meanings in every science with no flaws. It's bullshit, eat it up buttercup.
My first acknowledgment and memory of that movie was when I was a kid and the movie was airing on the tv set of the family we were paying a short visit, and the ambiant and the music of a corridor scene completely hypnotized me... i didn't know what it was but recognized the movie when I watched it years later
Thank you so much for all your videos! They are truly a pleasure and one of my favorite channels Im subscribed to! I thought I heard everything about the Shining but you offered some new facts! Awesome!
I think I read about every King book in my late teens and 20's I eventually stopped sometime after The Shinning, which I really liked, and a lot more than the movie... I hated the paranormal storyline being dumped in lieu of Jack "losing his marbles" arc...But then, there were all the other paranormal stuff going on, so it didn't make sense. It's been decades since I read the novel, but one thing I can remember, and upset they weren't in the movie, were the topiaries that "came to life." They were much cooler and scarier than the huge unimaginative maze... The Shining is one of the few stories where there was a great ending vs. most of his other book's endings seemed to just fall off the edge of Earth... Very disappointing to read 800+ exciting pages, only for the conclusions to be only a few pages long. The main reason I quit buying his books was the lousy endings... I liken them to "Dumb & Dumber's" excellerated, shorthanded writing of GoT's ending season... Like King wanting to hurry and finish his novels, so he could start another one (probably already in progress), they ended just as badly as GoT (LOL, well, maybe not THAT bad) as they all were in such a big dang hurry to move on.
Jack's over the top acting, as perfect as it is, usually gets all of the attention, but in my opinion, Shelley Duvall's performance is the real gem of the film. It's not obvious on first viewing, in fact I hated it the first time I saw it. But I eventually came to see the complexity and nuance of Duvall's Wendy: a woman who is regularly abused by her husband trying to remain hopeful while locked in a snow-bound hotel for months on end with the man she loves and fears, and her child who she has to protect. Being cheerful is about all she's able to do for most of the movie, so she lays it on thick. It comes off as corny sometimes, but that's how it would have seemed in real life. Also consider that this story takes place in 1979-1980 or so, when women had much fewer rights that today. (e.g., Women had only gained the right to have their own credit cards in 1974). With a good understanding of the world in which Wendy and her family live, the scene in which Wendy describes Danny's previous injury to the doctor becomes one the most terrifying scenes in the whole film. It's so deeply nuanced, and perfectly acted. I'm always struck by the way the word "alcohol" catches in Wendy's throat a the end of her monologue. And, of course, the doctor's shocked facial expression is priceless. I'm also glad you mentioned the fire. I've long had a theory about the fire, which I've never heard put forward by anyone. I think the fire and rebuilding of the set may explain many of the strange "continuity errors" throughout the film. Considering that most of these anomalies seem to occur in the very room that was destroyed in the fire, it's certainly possible. People have obsessed for years about the vintage typewriter changing to a different model, the (antique?) chairs appearing and disappearing, the large, one-of-a-kind driftwood sculpture vanishing, etc. If these props proved difficult or even outright impossible to replace after the fire, they would have had no choice but to make do with what was available. Continuity errors would have been unavoidable without re-shooting every affected scene, which would have been out of the question as the whole shoot was already months behind schedule. Also consider how much the movie-watching experience has changed in the last 40+ years. Today we can stream or download nearly any movie whenever we want or we can buy a copy on DVD, BluRay, or 4KBluRay and we can obsess over every frame if we want. These abilities were unimaginable in 1980. VHS and Beta was still a new and expensive medium so movies were shown in theaters for a few weeks or months and then likely forgotten. The idea of re-shooting anything after the set was rebuilt, just for the sake of continuity, would have been out of the question. It's doubtful anyone would have even argued for re-shoots then anyway. There would have been no payoff I don't know when in the shooting schedule that fire took place, or how much was shot prior to it, so this could be another nonsense theory. But I think it's worth taking a look at, if anyone has the documents needed for this kind of analysis.
@Dominic Abbs the late Scatman Crothers was also in The Twilight Zone: The Movie in the remake of Kick The Can. Plus was also the movie Two Of A Kind and Zapped! 🤗😉🙏👍
In the book Jack wasn't actually "always the caretaker" so making him a reincarnation or an immortal as seen is the photo is just a weird departure. I think there are just too many things things didn't fit for King that messed with the original intent. In the end of the book, Jack sacrificed himself for his son too. I would be pissed off too if a character I created had no redeeming characteristics. But I like both the book and the movie.
At first I had Kubricks shining alittle lower on my favorite horror movie list due to it not being like the book which I prefer. However after I watched doctor sleep which is a damn fine horror movie in its own right, Kubricks shining shot up to number 1 for me. I like how doctor sleep’s ending is basically the book ending of the shining except Danny is in Jack’s shoes and then the overlook burns down like it did in the book bringing things full circle. I never expected a sequel would bring up my rating on its predecessor but damn both are masterpieces.
I love the US cardboard vhs packaging. Something clean and personal about its texture and look. I remember watching this film as a kid in the early 80s. My parents watched it with me and made me turn my head from the tv when the nude scene was on. Classic film.
It isn’t puzzling why he’s softer on “Stand By Me.” Kubrick constantly challenged King on his story, and Meathead fawned over the material. King’s ego has always eclipsed his talent.
Well, it's because of the Jack character entirely. I can understand that. Jack is the heart of the book. At first he's nice and a great father, but as he devolves into alcoholism he becomes psychotic. In the movie Jack is just crazy. Thus removing the point of the story.
Nah, you can't really fault the guy for having issues with the director pretending to have a better understanding of the premise than he did himself. Personally I'm with King. The movie is bloated and pretentious, far from the everyday man approach that King always applies to even his most ambitious stories.
@@LouisWritingSomethingCrazy I disagree with Jack being nice and a great father in the book, where he has multiple violent instances which cause him to quit drinking. If Jack is someone who would be a textbook nice guy and loving father if it weren’t for the alcohol and spirits is more of a dodge than a character trait, especially since Jack is an analog for King. King portraying Jack Torrance is a nice guy who is a victim of his demons seems an awful lot like King trying to absolve himself if some of the shitty things he did when he was drinking heavily. But to your point, and this is a matter of personal taste, I think it’s not only more realistic but more entertaining to see Jack as a dangerous person inside of a family structure that tries to hold the illusion that he’s controllable, rather than a nice guy who is a victim of his demons (although I would have loved to see Jack Nicholson beat his own face in with a mallet at the end- that’s also a matter of personal taste).
@@gokugoma3258 it’s more like putting your baby up for adoption and then telling the adopted parents that you raised them better when they had it. Like King himself said, the book and movie are two different things, and the movie didn’t change the book at all- it’s a separate take on the same basic story (with ghost wasps, impossibly faulty boilers which would have caused the state to shut the hotel down, even in the 70’s, and a lot of other horseshit removed).
14:17 Having been an extra in movies and a TV show, I can tell you ALL group scenes are mimed. For 2 reasons. One, the director and editors can hear the dialogue of the main actors, and may even choose to use the “live” soundtrack for a scene. Two, money. If an extra speaks, they have to be paid more. This is set forth by the Screen Actors Guild. If an extra has a line, he then is considered a Featured Extra and is paid a different scale. Paying a room of extras for talking all day for repeated shoots could get pretty expensive. There is at least one loophole though - singing. I was in a church scene for the TV show Army Wives. We actually sang out of the real hymnals in the church. They made sure the song was in the public domain so no royalties had to be paid. Interestingly, that same scene had one of the extras play the preacher. But they mostly filmed him from behind and a crew member spoke the preacher’s homily off-screen, yet again to save money through another loophole. I had as much fun watching and learning movie craft as I did acting and meeting people/hanging out between scenes. Btw, the ticket to becoming a featured extra was just showing up every day you were called, staying late if ever asked, always being quick to your mark, and being there A LOT. Getting a line is seen as a “thank you” from the director.
After reading my first King novel back in grade 8 (Cujo) 40 years ago, I've been hooked on his story telling ever since and have read almost every book he's written and own every movie that is based on his novels/short stories, I can honestly say there is only a small handful I watch over and over again because they were well made imo, although they are always different from the original stories. Others are absolute train wrecks such as Desperation, The Mist, The Dark Tower, Dreamcatcher just to name a few of the worst of the bunch. It is impossible to make a King book into a movie and make it anywhere near as good as the book.
I prefer King's short stories and novellas to his full-length novels, so I've never read The Shining. But I remember reading The Body after seeing Stand By Me, and found them to be pretty close. So I think that King's admiration for Stand By Me has more to do with Reiner (and his screenwriters) not deviating too much from the source material, whereas Kubrick really made The Shining his own. Also King agreeing to Kubrick's version of The Overlook for the third act of Dr. Sleep seems like a begrudging acknowledgment that Kubrick's film is the more widely known version of The Shining.
Some of the most enjoyable writing I’ve come across was by Stephen King when he would just be telling a story. My examples are The Body, Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption and in the novel It, when he would write about events experienced by the children.
I wouldn't call It a simple story in the same vein as The Body or Rita Hayworth... Not counting the works of Richard Bachman, I'd say Misery is one of his most down to Earth novels
SK's Shining is a whole other animal from SK's Shining(interpret that how you will)...Kubrik's movie is like the book with its themes and emotions removed...its an adaptation on the surface, but its like seeing an act of violence without knowing the root cause and drawing one's own conclusion...
Almost all of Kings works stem from The dark tower series (which are based on the poem by the same name).Stephen is one of my top three authors. It is absolutely terrifying. One of the few books I've read more than once (3) .He can make you feel terror over the most mundane things.
Well...one cool thing about leaving a movie open-ended is we all get to exchange wild ideas about it. I'm ok with supernatural-esque movie endings that kind of leave you guessing as what just happened or what some scenes meant, as long as there are some options and not just a jarring ending with no resolution. Initial reactions to Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" were also pretty harsh...sometimes we just need to wait and digest the entertainment a little bit more before spouting off, eh?!
Kubrick is my favorite director of all time and I love this movie. Not so crazy about,how he treated Shelley Duvall though. She definitely doesn't get enough credit for her performance. She was outstanding and completely believable. Sure, Nicholson is awesome but Shelley was also,just saying.
I got to visit the Timberland Lodge where the exterior shots of the hotel were filmed back in 2015. Pretty neat to be there! I even bought a Christmas tree ornaments featuring the hotel exterior.
@@jamestsitiridis5172 Oh jeez... is the guy not allowed to have an opinion about an adaptation of his own work without being psycho-analyzed for it being the "wrong" opinion? I agree with him, I don't really like the movie either.
@@erikthompson619 No, he is entitled to an opinion, but not when he is constantly whining about it & spews ignorance nonsense, like when he wrote in The Outsider that Kubrick wasn't taking any risks creatively on The Shining & Barry Lyndon. He is bitter that Kubrick's film has eclipsed his garbage cheesefest in culture, with the many iconic images that either weren't in his book (Here's Johnny), or done in a better way (Redrum). He should hold the garbage to the same standard as he does with Kubrick, but he doesn't because he is a hypocrite. The book is a conventional, run of the mill ghost story only considered a classic by people that don't know much about literature.
MINTY!!! Your awesome movie trivia has once again saved me from another boring Sunday morning. I was able to make my homemade pancakes while watching this video. Yes, I know what you’re thinking - the pancakes turned out great! I bought a fancy raspberry jam all the way from France. They tasted were great together and reminded me of the blood (or rust water) coming out of that awesome miniature lift (or elevator) in the movie. I thought about this all through breakfast. As always it is great to see all your awesome collectables related to the movie - I have that Mad magazine too. I’m always torn about doing the fold-in or keeping the magazine in pristine shape. Did you do yours? Finally, Keep up the good work and enjoy rocking those aviators. Do it!!!! ODB.
The Shining is one of those movies that you have to see more than once to really begin to understand/interpret. For me, I see the Overlook as a portal to a nightmare dimension. Things seem normal when you see them, but something isn't quite right, like in a nightmare when we're asleep. Look at when Jack and Wendy are talking about the approaching storm and interruptions. The chair in the background disappears briefly between shots of Jack. When Halloran is showing Wendy and Danny the store room, they pass a door before going around the corner to go into the store room. However, that door isn't on the inside of the store room. Same thing with the window in Ullman's office. That window shouldn't exist as it's facing either the elevator or a hallway.
Yeah, I think those were put into the film on purpose. Minty touched upon these issues with the structure of the hotel, in his first 10 Things video, on the Shining.
I think I commented this on your other Shining video, but when I was reading The Shining (long before the movie), Jack Nicholson WAS Jack Torrance. It was so obvious. That said, Michael Moriarty is a perfect alternative choice, maybe even better. Jessica Lange would have been great as Wendy - very close to my internal casting of Teri Garr. It's interesting that Kubrick took pains to hide the true nature of the film from Danny Lloyd, but tortured Shelley Duvall to the brink of madness to wring every ounce of despair he could from her.
Really? I read the book before seeing the movie too, and found few or no similarities between the two Jacks. Book-Torrance is mild-mannered at heart, full of remorse and eager to repent. Movie-Torrance is a thinly veiled loose cannon, a mean spirit and a catastrophe waiting to happen.
I don't know that I'm enamored with the Jack Torrance we ended up getting from Jack Nicholson - as you say, too much crazy and not enough "regular guy" - but before we got that portrayal it seemed like perfect casting. Maybe that's why in retrospect I feel like Michael Moriarty might have been the real perfect casting.
I never knew that Kubrick turned down directing The Exorcist!? Friedkin and Kubrick were ruthless in getting the most out of their actors (abusive even, especially Kubrick), as well as being sticklers for detail, so it would have been fascinating to see if they came up with similar movies.
"...interpretating it"? You may be interested to know that there's a word ("interpreting") that says the same thing but actually belongs in the English language. An actor is "cast" in a role, not "casted." I would expect a video like this to be free of mistakes that the average 16-year-old wouldn't make.
My take on Kubrick's version is that the man in the photograph at the end -- "July 4, 1921" -- died and was reincarnated as Jack Torrance. When Charles Grady murdered his own wife and 2 daughters in the winter of '70/71, it made the papers, and Jack happened to see newspaper articles about it -- including Grady's picture. This led to a flood of past-life memories in Jack's mind -- he suddenly remembered the great life he had once lived as one of "the best people" back in the Roaring Twenties, when he himself would stay at the Overlook during the winter season. Jack wants to go back to live in his beloved Overlook Hotel again -- this time permanently -- and he knows what it'll take, the same kind of sacrifice Grady made: murder his wife and kid(s). The only trouble is, Jack doesn't HAVE a wife and kids -- not yet. So, after reading about the Overlook and the 'Grady Incident' of '70-to'71, Jack seeks out a meek woman -- someone whom he will be able to dominate -- and settles on the mousy, bookish Winnifred. She probably is fooled into believing that he really loves her, but he DOESN'T. His only love is for himself and the hotel. He gets her pregnant, and becomes the father of Danny. Jack knows he can't seek out the winter caretaker job at the Overlook until Danny is no longer a toddler, so he bides his time . . . until Danny's old enough, in 1980. Jack lies to Ullman, pretending he knows nothing about "the tragedy" from ten years back -- but he actually knows all about it. He knows what Grady looks like -- he tells 'Delbert Grady' (who looks just like 'Charles Grady') that he recognizes him, having seen his picture in the papers -- just as WE recognize 'Jack Torrance' in that 1921 photo: that man BECAME Jack Torrance via reincarnation, just as Delbert Grady BECAME Charles Grady via reincarnation . . . and found out how to become a permanent 'presence' at the Overlook, by offering up human sacrifices, his wife and children. Grady no longer has to worry about continuing on in the relentless cycle of Death and Rebirth, finding a diabolical 'nirvana' of Life Everlasting at the Overlook, which was built atop an Indian burial grounds -- a 'holy' site now desecrated by the slaughter of those Indians who tried to fight off the White Men expropriating their sacred lands. Jack fails to murder -- or 'sacrifice' -- Wendy and Danny, true, but he does manage to murder Hallorann, so by committing a human sacr4ifice, he attains his 'position' there at the hotel, presumably. Why didn't Jack murder Wendy and Danny the day after Ullman and the rest left on Closing day? Well, in order to 'season' the sacrifice -- to make it "a sweet-smelling oblation to the Lord" (i.e. to the Powers-That-Be that invisibly run the hotel, "the House" as Lloyd refers to 'Them') -- Jack needs to ramp up their FEAR. The evil spirits at the hotel want the victims to be scared witless and shitless, and Jack's way is to set up a situation where Wendy will be reeling with horror all-of-a-sudden . . . hence Jack's typescript, which he hides from her until he allows her curiosity to get the better of her. She discovers that he's been typing that same sentence over and over again, and naturally she believes that Jack has not only lost his mind, but that he lost it the moment they were left up there all alone -- just as Jack intended for her to think. He planned it all along, though. He needed to trigger her into a state of mind-reeling terror, knowing that when he kills her the Hotel will enjoy the 'taste' of her fear. He's like Wile E. Coyote in the cartoons we hear off-screen, when Danny's watching the BUGS BUNNY / ROADRUNNER SHOW, plotting to get the best of her (and of Danny) -- but they end up foiling him in the end. Danny even mimics how Jack got away from the Dead Hag in Room 237 -- by walking BACKWARDS -- after having 'seen' the incident via his "shining" abilities. Those Roadrunner cartoons are in the movie for a reason, folks!
ive been watching some crazy youtube vids on the shining recently. funny how you posted this 4 days ago. but 1 video called the wendy theory truly blew my mind, and another showing how the movie can be played forward, backward and to the album abbey road, and it all links up, is another insane detail
I thought I knew everything about The Shining. I had no idea that Shellie Duvall was nominated for a Razzie. That blows my mind because it's of my opinion that she absolutely knocks it out of the park. I personally think it's one of the best acting performances I've ever seen in a horror movie. It didn't even seem like she was acting, that that was her real emotions happening in front of us.
Cough cough....ever heard of a website called IMDB??
I mean, can’t agree there. And her acting seems so authentic because she was abused the whole time they were shooting for that reason.
Her acting in Robert Altman's films is also incredible. I HIGHLY recommend Three Women and Thieves Like Us.
@@JennifuhhGilardi Supposedly.
Outside of the film's climax, I found her performance to be weak and annoying. Perhaps it was more the character than her.
Personally, I think what makes The Shining so everlastingly good is the fact that it's one of the few movies that genuinely make you feel uneasy and uncomfortable from the opening credits and never lets up
100% ive seen it countless times but it is such an unsettling movie, hard to go to sleep after that
Yes, when I saw it in the theatre the opening sequence made you feel the impending doom already.
The opening music might have been a contributing factor to that. Imagine if the opening musical score was "Yakety Sax" (aka the "Benny Hill Theme"); it could have changed the entire tone of the movie.
I’ve actually been to the Stanley Hotel in Colorado. It was very beautiful and they took us on a tour and talked about Stephen King’ stay, they showed us Room 217, and they even talked about the hotel scene from Dumb and Dumber (1994) was filmed there too.
Which was it again? Was it 217 in the Movie and 237 in the book, vice versa? Or was it some other numbers. I forget which one it was.
Edit: Nevermind, Minty actually answered my question in his memorabilia segment.
I first watched The Shining in 2004. It's a classic. Jack Nicholson gave an Oscar worthy performance as Jack Torrance and it's a shame he didn't get a Oscar nomination for his chilling portrayal of the recovering alcoholic writer gone psychopath. I like to believe Nicholson got cast as The Joker in Batman cos of his performance as Jack Torrance.
Nicholson has already won 3 Oscars for… One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, Terms of Endearment and As Good As it Gets
@@nsasupporter7557 So? He could had got an Oscar for The Shining.
@@danielwilliamson6180 oh of course 😉
@@nsasupporter7557 My father is a Jack Nicholson fan. I like to think he named and my mother named me and my brother after Jack and Danny from the movie. My brother's middle name is Nicholas.
@@danielwilliamson6180 for real? That’s interesting lol 😂
I don’t know who I like better, him or Robert De Niro 🤷♂️
I'm totally behind this '10 More Things' series.
Me Too!!
Although after 6 years I think changing the music at the end is something to consider, especially if you're binge watching.
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I'd be behind 'ANOTHER 10 more things' series too! Lol All you stuff is GOLD, Minty!!;
Behind this comment that is behind this series.If starting a new Minty episode does not get a smile then that person is at a level of uptightness that may be uncureable. Like stick up butt is so far up it is like a bee stinger and if removed it will kill. Talking Karen level douchebagness.
These are bullshit and appropriate for idiots only.
The cig butt thing is a military deal, you do that so the enemy can't track your movement.
I still do it to this day .
Shredding them into balls though? I get not discarding them but not that.
How ironic people are appalled at his balling habit but not his nicotine addiction LOL
I find the soundtrack and the complete chaotic vagueness part of what makes the film so unsettling. Not having read the book when I first saw it at ten years old, I found the flashes of the ghosts terrifying. Particularly because they were the ultimate unknown. Why were they there...what were they doing? The more I watch it, the more I appreciate the spiraling decent into madness.
For me, the scariest and most memorable part of the movie is the hotel itself. The production design and Kubrick's camera placements pretty well make every scene look like the hotel is 'enveloping' the characters. And yes, speculation in Room 237 claims Kubrick wanted this incongruousness layout to mystify the viewers. But I'm just amazed the vastness achieved in the confines that had to be worked in. And is interesting how after Jack kills Halloran, the shots and hotel get more confined and claustrophobic. Hallways, rooms, the maze all just become small and close to the characters. So again, pretty amazing how Kubrick minimized things at the end after such wide and open sets beforehand. Almost like the hotel and it's surroundings was an open mouth at first that slowly started closing around all the characters.
Huh, now I gotta go see this movie again. I love cinematic techniques like the one you describe.
I think it meant the madness and evil were closing in around them, especially Jack, and everything was coming to it's inevitable and bloody conclusion.
14:00 Nicholson getting ‘in the mood’ for the axe scene is the most memorable scene in the whole documentary.
I also like that as a reserve fireman they had to use real doors and not lightweight props as he was buzz-sawing through them at a hell of a pace!
I think the issue with King was that he based jack on himself, and his own problems. But jack in the movie is very different, and maybe that rubs him
Between the novel and the film the characterization for the entire family was off, I can totally understand why he hates it, it's a poor representation of the source material on many levels.
The book is completely different from the movie
I do wish they showed the more sympathetic side of Jack like they do in the book, you feel bad for him more. In the movie, he just starts off already unlikable and angry.
EVERY Stephen King protagonist is based on Stephen King!
Oh look at that, a writer with a drinking problem! I wonder who could possibly have been his inspiration??
I thing that Kubrick is just as slow and poetic as King is with his method of storytelling.
Cary Guffey's parents didn't want him to play in The Shining because it was too horrific. Yeah and him being kidnapped by aliens was not horrific
Personally, that's my main reason why I love The Shining! Not everything has to be explained! It's all up to the viewers themselves to determine what's what. There's no right or wrong definitive answers to it. And the more times you watch it, you come up with even more theories to the solution. That's the beauty of this film for me. Nowadays with horror movies, they don't do this anymore. They have to explain everything in great in depth details to the audiences to what's going on. They never let the audiences try to solve or come up with theories themselves to speculate to what's happening. The film is a lot scarier when you don't explain everything. And The Shining is a perfect example of a film where it leaves you unanswered and wondering what happened. I LOVE THIS MOVIE!
Well, mainstream horror anyways. There's a lot of independently produced films that really strive to do something original
The other beauty about it is much of the "oddness" is subliminal. Like there's a scene when Jack goes into the office for an interview and there's a window with an outside view...considering the way he got to the office, there's no way that office would have a window. There's lots of that. Like when Billy is riding his big wheel...."how'd I end up back here"?
"Room 237" and the channel Collative Learning address this. The architecture of the Overlook as seen in the film is flat out impossible. Doors to rooms are close together, but inside they're so huge they should be spilling into each other. Mapping out what's seen when Danny is riding his Big Wheel only adds further confusion
@@Viking_Luchador It's like the tardus in Dr who lol....
Please edit that before I lose all respect for you
Its TARDIS, always all capitalized, and Doctor Who, not Dr. Who
The shining is a movie that you have to watch over and over to get what it’s about it’s totally a very good movie classic in it’s own way…👍
It's also a movie that gets better every time you watch it.
@@DrFunk-rk6yl totally 💯 agree with you
I love how King came up with the idea for The Shining. With his mind it's just as likely That he came up with Maximum Overdrive one morning when his toast didn't pop all the way up and when he was using a fork to pull it out he got a shock. Then he tripped over the cord, etc. etc.
You know how he came up with the idea for Kingdom hospital?
@@gokugoma3258 I do not
@@gokugoma3258 Best to go to King's house ...knock on the door..when he answers ...DEMAND A FRIGGEN EXPLANATION!!!👺
Drugs. It's not that complicated.
i imagine it came to him while remembering his ICU hospitalization & tha multiple life threatening surgeries he endured after he got run over by bryan smith in 99
I always thought it was rather odd that the Torrances would only come to the Overlook one day before closing if they were expected to look after that huge hotel for months. You'd have think they could have spent at least a week there before closing to find their way around and know where things were. That has always been my biggest glitch in the story.
This was also true of the original book (the Torrance family showing up as everyone else was checking out.) There was so much about the book that Kubrick didn't keep that I think this had to be a deliberate choice on his part. . But I would say that this is even stranger in the movie because Jack isn't taking over from a regular caretaker who stays there for the entire season, as he is in the book. This is actually a really strange thing about the film, and I've never thought of it before. What kind of sense does it make to NOT have a regular caretaker who's there for the season when the hotel is open? (remembering that Halloran is just the cook, not a caretaker.) There has to be a reason why Kubrick chose to make that change.
I think it's just another example of the hotel management not really caring.
It plays into Jack having always been there. The dejavu that he’s been there before. And in my opinion that Ullman and Watson are extensions of the hotel that doesn’t want everything to go right and are setting him up for disaster.
Really? THAT was the biggest glitch? Not ever thinking that they could have been brought in as an emergency or something?
I agree with Minty in the sense that both Kubrick and King clashing made the movie so rich in symbolism and enigmatic cause there are two great minds at play. Thanks for covering 10 more things, I’m loving this!
There always more facts to a particular movie that Minty have done, it's a lot to go through, cool video as always Minty, keep up the good work and take care and you have a great weekend
“The Shining” reminds me, in its pacing, of the proverbial frog in a pan of lukewarm water on a stove, with heat gradually added. The frog doesn’t notice he’s being cooked until it’s too late.
Love these "more" videos. keep them coming. I collect autographs and the Shining fills up one of my little binders. I met the Grady Twins and Danny at a con not too long ago. The gem in my Shining collection? Scatman Crothers.
That’s awesome 👏
Oh you are so lucky! I would have loved to meet Scatman. And Danny and the Grady twins, too of course. But Scatman, wow!
@@Sabrina79 He was a very stoic man, Thank you.
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Wow, that's awesome!
Easily one of the most remarkable movies ever made. And one of the greatest cinema experiences I've ever had. This coming from someone who came from a broken home. When seeing this originally, I was awesteuck because jack seemed so much like dad. And givens the extreme pressure of the circumstances he is faced with, long Winter nights in a haunted hotel while trying to write and keep up with current affairs. And having a small child I could sympathize with both Danny and Jack. Making it even more chilling because it's like voting for either the zombies or the human survivors in an apocalyptic zombie movie. Absolutely a great movie. And as far as movie posters my favorite is the one they chose, but my runner up would be one with Steve's clown face on it ' what the fuck happened?!"😝
Exactly part of what makes The Shining so uncomfortable is the dysfunctional family scenario. Watching the adults fighting brings back a lot of unpleasant painful memories from childhood experience that many of us try to forget! Kubrick knew what he was doing! 😳
Watch "The Wendy Theory". It explains everything.
It was surreal. I found it hard to accept it could be a place in time & space at all with such energy involved. One would think there would be wandering sages & monks alike warding all the world in ceremonial dance.
Yes; I've said it many times - The Shining and Mommie Dearest are totally different movies depending on whether or not you grew up in an abusive home. I've been to screenings of both where the majority of the audience laughed like they were at a Three Stooges comedy. Meanwhile, you can see that some viewers are sitting there experiencing flashbacks.
I was a little kid when this movie came out and it was loved by everybody. I remember it being a huge hit. Excellent video!!!!
After 42 years,I still find this movie fascinating. In my opinion,Jack Nicholson's performance was brilliant! It made me a fan of his!
Having read the book, I was amazed the scene where Jack briefly regains control and realises he's possessed (warning his wife to run in the process) didn't make it into the movie. It was truly chilling to read as you realise that he is truly damned and not in control.
The sequel to this is also bloody brilliant.
i didnt watch dr sleep for the longest time because i didn’t want to get disappointed. But…
They nailed it. Absolutely Hit it out of the park
A masterpiece from start to finish. Shelley Duvall doesn't get a lot of credit. It's funny that in the beginning, they mention how much she is a fan of horror films...well, towards the end, she gets the horror movie of her life.
I like the book but the film is more interesting. And yeah the TV miniseries is not the greatest thing but it has some decent moments here and there.
Yeah, there are some interesting analyses about the Shining but the moon landing theory is just dumb.
I couldn't disagree more about the book vs. movie. The book is an absolute masterpiece of horror, but I found the movie to be a tremendous letdown in comparison. I agree completely about the moon landing theory, though. It's a ridiculous thing to think, BUT it does appear that Kubrick was trolling the conspiracy theory nuts. 😂😂😂
The book is incredible
I also like Dr. Sleep
Poor Shelley Duvall got a Razzie nomination for The Shining.
Shelley Duvall has unfortunately become a real-life crazy person.
Could you imagine trying to decide if you wanted to see THE SHINING or EMPIRE STRIKES BACK on opening weekend of 1982?
NO!
(Neither premiered in summer of 1982 ~
It was opening weekend of 1980. What a year!! Empire Strikes Back, the Shining, & Friday the 13th, all in the same year!!!
The Shinning has one of the best creepy feels to it in film history.
Robin Williams would of played a brilliant role as Jack.
Definitely. Look at his performances in the likes of Insomnia and 24 Hour Photo! Being known more for comedy and yet him being a great actor made the times he darkened his acting for a serious role really have an impact!
Someone else mentioned the cigarette filter box Kubrick had some time back. I jokingly said "he was making sure there were no spy microphones".
I saw Empire on opening weekend. The first time I saw The Shining was in 1981 when it came out on VHS, my dad bought it instead of renting it because it was a favourite of his, he saw it 3 or 4 times in theatres. The cover art was different than the poster, it was a small square picture of Jack frozen in the snow on a black and neon green checkered design, I was 11 and that photo looked like a zombie to me, Dawn of the Dead was a favourite horror of mine so of course I had to watch it. I was a little bit disappointed there were no zombies but the nekkid chick in the tub freaked me out.
I just looked up how much my dad paid for an original VHS copy of The Shining, roughly $80 Canadian. Someone on eBay is selling a copy for $9,000!!! Holy shit!!!
Human fella, me too! That & the scene with the guy in the bear suit & the other guy.
@@brandonpage7087 To this day if I go in a bathroom and the shower curtains block my view of the bathtub I open the curtains to make sure there's nobody having a soak, just in case. I don't even believe in the supernatural but that scene stuck with me.
I never considered your final comment on the polarizing approaches of King and Kubrick impacting the unique outcome of the film. Appreciate that!
I saw this with my mother and siblings while stopped on the way to staying in a cabin in the mountains, suffice to say we were quite terrified. I find it hard to believe anyone who saw it on the big screen disliked this masterpiece.
Nice one, Minty.
Liking this new series on your channel. 👍
22:15 The Grady Twins are the creepiest scene in the whole film in my opinion, I have no idea why.
In the film when the guy who hires Jack talks about the tragedy of Grady killing his family, he mentions that Grady's girls were something like 8 and 10 years old when they were murdered. They weren't supposed to be twins, just sisters that were a couple of years apart.
@@TheBOG3 They always reminded me of my sister and me. We were a year apart, but Mom was a twin and didn't know how to raise two girls any other way. So she gave us rhyming names and always dressed us alike. There's a picture of us somewhere in blue dresses that look kind of like the ones in the movie.
@@ttintagel A year apart? They call that "Irish Twins."
I do believe in the theory that there are undertones having to do with the Native American genocide. I also believe Jack Torrance was part of the Overlook Hotel in a previous life. This is implied when he’s eating breakfast in bed and says he seems to know what’s around every corner of the hotel.
Not to mention when that "ghost" in the bathroom, tells Jack that he's always been the caretaker of the Overlook.
When Ullman is giving Jack & Wendy the tour, he casually mentions that the Overlook was built on a burial ground and that construction crews fought off raids. In the Colorado Room, he describes the art as being from various tribes that at best had nothing to do with each other, and at worst were enemies. So clearly there was no input, they just threw in whatever looked nice
I heard a pretty good theory that Jack doesn't actually look the way he does in the movie, that he's possessed by the ghost of someone who looked like that, who is the guy in the picture.
I've never seen it in its entirety. It gives off a creepy, uncomfortable vibe. I've worked security at the Stanley Hotel but have never seen a ghost.
Oh, heck yeah, Minty! This is a great movie! Thanks for your post!
King is very accurate in saying that books and movies are indeed apples and oranges. 🍎🍊
The carped pattern at 18:10 looks a lot like the pattern of the hallway wallpaper seen in Sid's house in the first Toy Story Movie.
I'm pretty sure hanging out at your house and playing The Shining board game and watching sick ass movies out of your video store is probably the only thing there is to do in Australia... maybe one day I'll fly out
The face in the Shining poster looks very much like a certain face featured a short moment in the movie The Exorcist. Considering that Kubrick was offered to direct The Exorcist, I think it's possible.
It's really interesting to look back on The Shining now with the added story elements from Doctor Sleep
I HIGHLY suggest everyone watch the Shining the Wendy Theory. Everyone knows that Kubrick was notorious for literally setting up every scene, placing everything in each shot. He also kept rewriting the script and no one understood many of his changes. And many point out that there are too many errors with items being switched out from shot to shot. He also put actress Shelley Duvall thru hell. He did this because his story was actually about Wendy Torrance going crazy, not Jack. The video explains it in a way that if you're a fan of Kubrick, it makes sense.
That's my favorite theory on this film
Yes, I love the Wendy theory. Well worth the watch
I’ve been watching your videos for years and always wanted to drop you a note about how much I enjoy them. This one on The Shining is one of your best. So well researched and written. Keep them coming.
Top notch! So glad you shared more from your collection - the key ring rocks! As always, exceptional work!
If you want to know what that weird, random scene with the dude and another dude in some weird animal costume was all about...here ya go:
In the book, Jack spends a bunch of time in the basement of the hotel, going over old records and newspaper articles about the hotel. He learns a TON of stuff that has 0 relevance to anything beyond the page it is written on but, due to that section, we learn that the hotel has a shady past, mainly due to the people that owned it (pretty sure one previous owner had been a mob boss or something). Anyway, you see what I mean about useless info. So, it turns out that the son of the owner loves to throw parties in the hotel ballroom. The son is pretty much the stereotype of a spoiled son of someone wealthy, and he's gay. He has a boyfriend who dresses as a bear during a party in the hotel, acting like the animal. The spoiled son enjoys mocking his BF, who is likely with him for the money, and oh...apparently they're furries, as well. At least, on occasion.
So what you caught a glimpse of, in that scene in the movie, was a man in a bear suit about to throw down mighty on that other man.
(Read this one twice, but it's been like, 8 years since I last read it. Some details might be off, but the point is the same)
Thank you for untwisting some of the plot spots for me.
The subplot of the Jack discovering the history of has lots of relevance in the book. 1 Jack decides to write and the book on the overlook and 2 uses his knowledge to get back at the owners of the Overlook who in the book detest Jack and didn't want him for the job.
Thanks man. Finally, mystery solved. When I was a kid, upon seeing the Shining, for the first time, that scene freaked me out, & stuck with me for many years afterwards. Good to finally have some sort of explanation for the scene.
@@brandonpage7087 Yeah, I always thought it was a VERY weird choice for them to include that scene at all, as they literally give you no information in the movie that explains this in any way.
Horace Derwent, the unsavoury entrepreneur.
I personally love Doctor Sleep. What a great movie that captures the some of the essence of the original.
Too bad Kubrick's shining ruined the storyline of the Dr. Sleep movie.
Mr. Bishop.... Your one of the best movie history CZcamsrs. Love ya man. Your so precise and do extensive study. Much respect
I remember when The Shining came out, it didn't get much attention until it's video as well as it's cable TV release and was when I first saw it.
I hear a bunch of people say they didn't like it on their first viewing BUT I think folks that feel that way, they totally get the movie without realizing it. The movie makes the viewer uneasy and since raises more questions than it answers in the viewers mind, they come away confused.....which was the point of the movie. The Shining is a true Psychological Horror film
That's not true. The Shining was released the same weekend as The Empire Strikes Back (oops!) and only had a limited release. It wasn't that the film didn't get much attention, it certainly did! It was overshadowed by the most anticipated movie in the world. The film actually did fairly well despite it's competition and it's small distribution.
I just heard a podcast (who knows if this is true) that said Stephen King got the idea for the Shining while he and his family went on a vacation... King tried to do some writing, but his kid(s) were making too much noise, King imagined killing them for the sweet relief of silence, and from there that's how he got the idea for the Shining
Uh, no. Weirdo
@@TheInsultInvestor you're the weirdo
@@ytubeanon No, you.
I never saw the Shining in theaters - but i would have seen it on cable - at around age 12 or 13 - probably alone while my Mom worked evenings. It scared the living crap out of me for years.That bathtub - as a young 13 year old - was one of the most enticing and terrifying things imaginable. And yet i kept coming back to it. It haunted me in more ways than one. I've seen this movie now dozens of times, and while the scare factor has decreased, the sense of dread and of psychological horror have never left. And now i'm better able to appreciate the sheer artistry involved in this films creation. Thanks for the fun video - i loved the bit about your memorabilia.
I remember seeing the trailer for The Shining at a showing of Superman - The Movie. I've always been a horror fan and was just 23 when The Shining premiered. The Trailer fascinated the voracious horror fan in me, and I was determined to see the movie. I had already read the book and knew this movie would be a winner. The Shining is one of my most favorite movies ever, and I never miss it when it is shown on television at Halloween.
Three years after this Angela Baker was a lot more scarier in Sleepaway Camp
I'm a huge Stephen King fan. I just finished The Stand. Currently reading IT. But I think this movie is a rare example of "movie was better than the book" and there's no way King doesn't secretly appreciate the artistic vision of this film. He's salty that his story had been changed so much. But they're all changes for the better. Maybe King is jealous that Kubrick did The Shining better than he did. Kubrick is simply a master and the best director of all time.
Nahh, king hates it cuz it butchered his book. It has no heart and king is big on all his stories having that. Pubrick was good but way overrated for having 500 meanings in every science with no flaws. It's bullshit, eat it up buttercup.
That's the opinion I've held ever since reading the novel. I always thought it was a controversial opinion, too.
Photo editing has been a highly skilled job for decades but Photoshop did not exist at the time this movie was produced. Love your work sir!
Another tremendous video, Minty. I love your memorabilia collection as well.
Kubrick would win the argument simply by bringing up Maximum Overdrive
Lol 😆
My first acknowledgment and memory of that movie was when I was a kid and the movie was airing on the tv set of the family we were paying a short visit, and the ambiant and the music of a corridor scene completely hypnotized me... i didn't know what it was but recognized the movie when I watched it years later
The remake is pretty good. Stephen Webber did a good job.
Thank you so much for all your videos! They are truly a pleasure and one of my favorite channels Im subscribed to! I thought I heard everything about the Shining but you offered some new facts! Awesome!
I think I read about every King book in my late teens and 20's I eventually stopped sometime after The Shinning, which I really liked, and a lot more than the movie...
I hated the paranormal storyline being dumped in lieu of Jack "losing his marbles" arc...But then, there were all the other paranormal stuff going on, so it didn't make sense.
It's been decades since I read the novel, but one thing I can remember, and upset they weren't in the movie, were the topiaries that "came to life." They were much cooler and scarier than the huge unimaginative maze...
The Shining is one of the few stories where there was a great ending vs. most of his other book's endings seemed to just fall off the edge of Earth... Very disappointing to read 800+ exciting pages, only for the conclusions to be only a few pages long.
The main reason I quit buying his books was the lousy endings... I liken them to "Dumb & Dumber's" excellerated, shorthanded writing of GoT's ending season...
Like King wanting to hurry and finish his novels, so he could start another one (probably already in progress), they ended just as badly as GoT (LOL, well, maybe not THAT bad) as they all were in such a big dang hurry to move on.
i must have read about 20 king books so far and haven't yet come across a bad ending
Jack's over the top acting, as perfect as it is, usually gets all of the attention, but in my opinion, Shelley Duvall's performance is the real gem of the film. It's not obvious on first viewing, in fact I hated it the first time I saw it. But I eventually came to see the complexity and nuance of Duvall's Wendy: a woman who is regularly abused by her husband trying to remain hopeful while locked in a snow-bound hotel for months on end with the man she loves and fears, and her child who she has to protect. Being cheerful is about all she's able to do for most of the movie, so she lays it on thick. It comes off as corny sometimes, but that's how it would have seemed in real life. Also consider that this story takes place in 1979-1980 or so, when women had much fewer rights that today. (e.g., Women had only gained the right to have their own credit cards in 1974). With a good understanding of the world in which Wendy and her family live, the scene in which Wendy describes Danny's previous injury to the doctor becomes one the most terrifying scenes in the whole film. It's so deeply nuanced, and perfectly acted. I'm always struck by the way the word "alcohol" catches in Wendy's throat a the end of her monologue. And, of course, the doctor's shocked facial expression is priceless.
I'm also glad you mentioned the fire. I've long had a theory about the fire, which I've never heard put forward by anyone. I think the fire and rebuilding of the set may explain many of the strange "continuity errors" throughout the film. Considering that most of these anomalies seem to occur in the very room that was destroyed in the fire, it's certainly possible.
People have obsessed for years about the vintage typewriter changing to a different model, the (antique?) chairs appearing and disappearing, the large, one-of-a-kind driftwood sculpture vanishing, etc. If these props proved difficult or even outright impossible to replace after the fire, they would have had no choice but to make do with what was available. Continuity errors would have been unavoidable without re-shooting every affected scene, which would have been out of the question as the whole shoot was already months behind schedule.
Also consider how much the movie-watching experience has changed in the last 40+ years. Today we can stream or download nearly any movie whenever we want or we can buy a copy on DVD, BluRay, or 4KBluRay and we can obsess over every frame if we want. These abilities were unimaginable in 1980. VHS and Beta was still a new and expensive medium so movies were shown in theaters for a few weeks or months and then likely forgotten. The idea of re-shooting anything after the set was rebuilt, just for the sake of continuity, would have been out of the question. It's doubtful anyone would have even argued for re-shoots then anyway. There would have been no payoff
I don't know when in the shooting schedule that fire took place, or how much was shot prior to it, so this could be another nonsense theory. But I think it's worth taking a look at, if anyone has the documents needed for this kind of analysis.
Another great Part Deux, Minty. Please keep ‘em coming!
Did you know that the guy that gets killed (Scatman crothers)voiced Hong Kong phooey it's a shame that he is no longer with us in real life RIP dude
@Dominic Abbs the late Scatman Crothers was also in The Twilight Zone: The Movie in the remake of Kick The Can. Plus was also the movie Two Of A Kind and Zapped! 🤗😉🙏👍
In the book Jack wasn't actually "always the caretaker" so making him a reincarnation or an immortal as seen is the photo is just a weird departure. I think there are just too many things things didn't fit for King that messed with the original intent. In the end of the book, Jack sacrificed himself for his son too. I would be pissed off too if a character I created had no redeeming characteristics. But I like both the book and the movie.
I love the movie, but I always cast William Hurt as Jack in my mind when I read the book.
I would never have thought of that... Good choice!
@TheSpaceBetweenOurHouses William Hurt is better then Steven Weber in the 1997 remake LOL! 🤔🗻⛰🚗
My favourite part of this was seeing Minty's merch collection. So cool.
Fantastic review mate. I always find your videos really interesting and you have some cool memorabilia. Thanks for making this!
At first I had Kubricks shining alittle lower on my favorite horror movie list due to it not being like the book which I prefer. However after I watched doctor sleep which is a damn fine horror movie in its own right, Kubricks shining shot up to number 1 for me. I like how doctor sleep’s ending is basically the book ending of the shining except Danny is in Jack’s shoes and then the overlook burns down like it did in the book bringing things full circle. I never expected a sequel would bring up my rating on its predecessor but damn both are masterpieces.
The shining is such a grate movie I can watch it 25xs and still injoy every minute of it.
LOVE the new logo minty!!! 🤘🏼 genius!!! Keep up the stellar work dude!!!
Seen heaps of your vids ~ this is my fave so far 👍
All work and no play makes minty a dull boy.
Then immediately exits through a trap door on the floor to an underground bunker 😎
Do one for the Stargate film
The production on the recent videos are looking great! 👏👌
Love these vids keep up the great work!
I love the US cardboard vhs packaging. Something clean and personal about its texture and look.
I remember watching this film as a kid in the early 80s. My parents watched it with me and made me turn my head from the tv when the nude scene was on. Classic film.
It isn’t puzzling why he’s softer on “Stand By Me.” Kubrick constantly challenged King on his story, and Meathead fawned over the material. King’s ego has always eclipsed his talent.
Well, it's because of the Jack character entirely. I can understand that. Jack is the heart of the book. At first he's nice and a great father, but as he devolves into alcoholism he becomes psychotic.
In the movie Jack is just crazy. Thus removing the point of the story.
Nah, you can't really fault the guy for having issues with the director pretending to have a better understanding of the premise than he did himself. Personally I'm with King. The movie is bloated and pretentious, far from the everyday man approach that King always applies to even his most ambitious stories.
It's like you got kids but a complete stranger comes up to you and tell you.. you're not raising your kids right.. how would you feel then?
@@LouisWritingSomethingCrazy I disagree with Jack being nice and a great father in the book, where he has multiple violent instances which cause him to quit drinking. If Jack is someone who would be a textbook nice guy and loving father if it weren’t for the alcohol and spirits is more of a dodge than a character trait, especially since Jack is an analog for King. King portraying Jack Torrance is a nice guy who is a victim of his demons seems an awful lot like King trying to absolve himself if some of the shitty things he did when he was drinking heavily.
But to your point, and this is a matter of personal taste, I think it’s not only more realistic but more entertaining to see Jack as a dangerous person inside of a family structure that tries to hold the illusion that he’s controllable, rather than a nice guy who is a victim of his demons (although I would have loved to see Jack Nicholson beat his own face in with a mallet at the end- that’s also a matter of personal taste).
@@gokugoma3258 it’s more like putting your baby up for adoption and then telling the adopted parents that you raised them better when they had it. Like King himself said, the book and movie are two different things, and the movie didn’t change the book at all- it’s a separate take on the same basic story (with ghost wasps, impossibly faulty boilers which would have caused the state to shut the hotel down, even in the 70’s, and a lot of other horseshit removed).
"I didn't hurt one hair on his goddamn head. I love the little son of a bitch " - Jack Torrens
14:17 Having been an extra in movies and a TV show, I can tell you ALL group scenes are mimed. For 2 reasons. One, the director and editors can hear the dialogue of the main actors, and may even choose to use the “live” soundtrack for a scene. Two, money. If an extra speaks, they have to be paid more. This is set forth by the Screen Actors Guild. If an extra has a line, he then is considered a Featured Extra and is paid a different scale. Paying a room of extras for talking all day for repeated shoots could get pretty expensive. There is at least one loophole though - singing. I was in a church scene for the TV show Army Wives. We actually sang out of the real hymnals in the church. They made sure the song was in the public domain so no royalties had to be paid. Interestingly, that same scene had one of the extras play the preacher. But they mostly filmed him from behind and a crew member spoke the preacher’s homily off-screen, yet again to save money through another loophole. I had as much fun watching and learning movie craft as I did acting and meeting people/hanging out between scenes. Btw, the ticket to becoming a featured extra was just showing up every day you were called, staying late if ever asked, always being quick to your mark, and being there A LOT. Getting a line is seen as a “thank you” from the director.
Great job on this one, Minty. Never noticed Jack’s tie before!
After reading my first King novel back in grade 8 (Cujo) 40 years ago, I've been hooked on his story telling ever since and have read almost every book he's written and own every movie that is based on his novels/short stories, I can honestly say there is only a small handful I watch over and over again because they were well made imo, although they are always different from the original stories. Others are absolute train wrecks such as Desperation, The Mist, The Dark Tower, Dreamcatcher just to name a few of the worst of the bunch. It is impossible to make a King book into a movie and make it anywhere near as good as the book.
I prefer King's short stories and novellas to his full-length novels, so I've never read The Shining. But I remember reading The Body after seeing Stand By Me, and found them to be pretty close. So I think that King's admiration for Stand By Me has more to do with Reiner (and his screenwriters) not deviating too much from the source material, whereas Kubrick really made The Shining his own.
Also King agreeing to Kubrick's version of The Overlook for the third act of Dr. Sleep seems like a begrudging acknowledgment that Kubrick's film is the more widely known version of The Shining.
Some of the most enjoyable writing I’ve come across was by Stephen King when he would just be telling a story. My examples are The Body, Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption and in the novel It, when he would write about events experienced by the children.
I wouldn't call It a simple story in the same vein as The Body or Rita Hayworth... Not counting the works of Richard Bachman, I'd say Misery is one of his most down to Earth novels
SK's Shining is a whole other animal from SK's Shining(interpret that how you will)...Kubrik's movie is like the book with its themes and emotions removed...its an adaptation on the surface, but its like seeing an act of violence without knowing the root cause and drawing one's own conclusion...
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I guess the two novellas stand out for me because they weren’t about horror.
Almost all of Kings works stem from The dark tower series (which are based on the poem by the same name).Stephen is one of my top three authors. It is absolutely terrifying. One of the few books I've read more than once (3) .He can make you feel terror over the most mundane things.
Love ur stuff Minty~My husband and I watch all your videos several times each~I have watched this one already 4 times~Keep up the great video content
Well...one cool thing about leaving a movie open-ended is we all get to exchange wild ideas about it. I'm ok with supernatural-esque movie endings that kind of leave you guessing as what just happened or what some scenes meant, as long as there are some options and not just a jarring ending with no resolution.
Initial reactions to Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" were also pretty harsh...sometimes we just need to wait and digest the entertainment a little bit more before spouting off, eh?!
Kubrick is my favorite director of all time and I love this movie. Not so crazy about,how he treated Shelley Duvall though. She definitely doesn't get enough credit for her performance. She was outstanding and completely believable. Sure, Nicholson is awesome but Shelley was also,just saying.
The rumors about mistreatment are not true. Ms Duvall has repeatedly publicly stated there was no mistreatment.
@@tawnieriekena7 Wasn't rumors..I just read an article where Duvall talks about it. She holds no I'll will towards Kubrick but he did mistreat her.
@@crashers17 that's bullshit. I was on the film crew.
@@tawnieriekena7 I googled the complete crew list and surprise, surprise you're not on it.
@@crashers17 I don't use my unmaried name online.
1 other thing I don’t know -
Where my Damn 4K version has gone to !
Under the cabinet to the right of the TV
@@thebradc I Just looked - Imagine if was 😂😂!
@@ajsmovieplace it could have been amazing !!! 😂😀
@@thebradc but alas. Wasn’t meant to be.
I love your memorabilia collection!!!
I got to visit the Timberland Lodge where the exterior shots of the hotel were filmed back in 2015. Pretty neat to be there! I even bought a Christmas tree ornaments featuring the hotel exterior.
The Wendy Theory is very likely.
Its very possible Wendy was the crazy one and after watching several videos on it, it absolutely fits.
Stephen King doesn’t like The Shining and yet he gave a thumbs up to the utterly abysmal butchering of his greatest work, The Dark Tower.
Including the god awful book adaptation mini series which showcased as iconic as his book is it doesn’t translate well at all.
I think King felt threatened by the movie in a way.
@@jamestsitiridis5172 Oh jeez... is the guy not allowed to have an opinion about an adaptation of his own work without being psycho-analyzed for it being the "wrong" opinion? I agree with him, I don't really like the movie either.
@@erikthompson619 No, he is entitled to an opinion, but not when he is constantly whining about it & spews ignorance nonsense, like when he wrote in The Outsider that Kubrick wasn't taking any risks creatively on The Shining & Barry Lyndon. He is bitter that Kubrick's film has eclipsed his garbage cheesefest in culture, with the many iconic images that either weren't in his book (Here's Johnny), or done in a better way (Redrum).
He should hold the garbage to the same standard as he does with Kubrick, but he doesn't because he is a hypocrite. The book is a conventional, run of the mill ghost story only considered a classic by people that don't know much about literature.
Love your vids man !! Keep up the awesome work !!
MINTY!!! Your awesome movie trivia has once again saved me from another boring Sunday morning. I was able to make my homemade pancakes while watching this video. Yes, I know what you’re thinking - the pancakes turned out great! I bought a fancy raspberry jam all the way from France. They tasted were great together and reminded me of the blood (or rust water) coming out of that awesome miniature lift (or elevator) in the movie. I thought about this all through breakfast. As always it is great to see all your awesome collectables related to the movie - I have that Mad magazine too. I’m always torn about doing the fold-in or keeping the magazine in pristine shape. Did you do yours? Finally, Keep up the good work and enjoy rocking those aviators. Do it!!!! ODB.
The Shining is one of those movies that you have to see more than once to really begin to understand/interpret. For me, I see the Overlook as a portal to a nightmare dimension. Things seem normal when you see them, but something isn't quite right, like in a nightmare when we're asleep. Look at when Jack and Wendy are talking about the approaching storm and interruptions. The chair in the background disappears briefly between shots of Jack. When Halloran is showing Wendy and Danny the store room, they pass a door before going around the corner to go into the store room. However, that door isn't on the inside of the store room. Same thing with the window in Ullman's office. That window shouldn't exist as it's facing either the elevator or a hallway.
Yeah, I think those were put into the film on purpose. Minty touched upon these issues with the structure of the hotel, in his first 10 Things video, on the Shining.
yeah i saw room 237 too
I think I commented this on your other Shining video, but when I was reading The Shining (long before the movie), Jack Nicholson WAS Jack Torrance. It was so obvious. That said, Michael Moriarty is a perfect alternative choice, maybe even better. Jessica Lange would have been great as Wendy - very close to my internal casting of Teri Garr.
It's interesting that Kubrick took pains to hide the true nature of the film from Danny Lloyd, but tortured Shelley Duvall to the brink of madness to wring every ounce of despair he could from her.
Really? I read the book before seeing the movie too, and found few or no similarities between the two Jacks. Book-Torrance is mild-mannered at heart, full of remorse and eager to repent. Movie-Torrance is a thinly veiled loose cannon, a mean spirit and a catastrophe waiting to happen.
Interesting choice of Wendy there, though. Thanks for that, will ponder on it.
I don't know that I'm enamored with the Jack Torrance we ended up getting from Jack Nicholson - as you say, too much crazy and not enough "regular guy" - but before we got that portrayal it seemed like perfect casting. Maybe that's why in retrospect I feel like Michael Moriarty might have been the real perfect casting.
@@erikthompson619 Book Torrance was just formulaic run of the mill character arc crap.
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He's more like Jack in the book after the hotel starts to get well and truly under his skin.
I never knew that Kubrick turned down directing The Exorcist!? Friedkin and Kubrick were ruthless in getting the most out of their actors (abusive even, especially Kubrick), as well as being sticklers for detail, so it would have been fascinating to see if they came up with similar movies.
I wonder the reason he didn't want to film it....
great video as always.
watching every bit of shining content but most of your points i ve never heard.
thanks
"...interpretating it"? You may be interested to know that there's a word ("interpreting") that says the same thing but actually belongs in the English language. An actor is "cast" in a role, not "casted." I would expect a video like this to be free of mistakes that the average 16-year-old wouldn't make.
My take on Kubrick's version is that the man in the photograph at the end -- "July 4, 1921" -- died and was reincarnated as Jack Torrance. When Charles Grady murdered his own wife and 2 daughters in the winter of '70/71, it made the papers, and Jack happened to see newspaper articles about it -- including Grady's picture. This led to a flood of past-life memories in Jack's mind -- he suddenly remembered the great life he had once lived as one of "the best people" back in the Roaring Twenties, when he himself would stay at the Overlook during the winter season. Jack wants to go back to live in his beloved Overlook Hotel again -- this time permanently -- and he knows what it'll take, the same kind of sacrifice Grady made: murder his wife and kid(s). The only trouble is, Jack doesn't HAVE a wife and kids -- not yet.
So, after reading about the Overlook and the 'Grady Incident' of '70-to'71, Jack seeks out a meek woman -- someone whom he will be able to dominate -- and settles on the mousy, bookish Winnifred. She probably is fooled into believing that he really loves her, but he DOESN'T. His only love is for himself and the hotel.
He gets her pregnant, and becomes the father of Danny. Jack knows he can't seek out the winter caretaker job at the Overlook until Danny is no longer a toddler, so he bides his time . . . until Danny's old enough, in 1980.
Jack lies to Ullman, pretending he knows nothing about "the tragedy" from ten years back -- but he actually knows all about it. He knows what Grady looks like -- he tells 'Delbert Grady' (who looks just like 'Charles Grady') that he recognizes him, having seen his picture in the papers -- just as WE recognize 'Jack Torrance' in that 1921 photo: that man BECAME Jack Torrance via reincarnation, just as Delbert Grady BECAME Charles Grady via reincarnation . . . and found out how to become a permanent 'presence' at the Overlook, by offering up human sacrifices, his wife and children. Grady no longer has to worry about continuing on in the relentless cycle of Death and Rebirth, finding a diabolical 'nirvana' of Life Everlasting at the Overlook, which was built atop an Indian burial grounds -- a 'holy' site now desecrated by the slaughter of those Indians who tried to fight off the White Men expropriating their sacred lands.
Jack fails to murder -- or 'sacrifice' -- Wendy and Danny, true, but he does manage to murder Hallorann, so by committing a human sacr4ifice, he attains his 'position' there at the hotel, presumably. Why didn't Jack murder Wendy and Danny the day after Ullman and the rest left on Closing day? Well, in order to 'season' the sacrifice -- to make it "a sweet-smelling oblation to the Lord" (i.e. to the Powers-That-Be that invisibly run the hotel, "the House" as Lloyd refers to 'Them') -- Jack needs to ramp up their FEAR. The evil spirits at the hotel want the victims to be scared witless and shitless, and Jack's way is to set up a situation where Wendy will be reeling with horror all-of-a-sudden . . . hence Jack's typescript, which he hides from her until he allows her curiosity to get the better of her. She discovers that he's been typing that same sentence over and over again, and naturally she believes that Jack has not only lost his mind, but that he lost it the moment they were left up there all alone -- just as Jack intended for her to think. He planned it all along, though. He needed to trigger her into a state of mind-reeling terror, knowing that when he kills her the Hotel will enjoy the 'taste' of her fear.
He's like Wile E. Coyote in the cartoons we hear off-screen, when Danny's watching the BUGS BUNNY / ROADRUNNER SHOW, plotting to get the best of her (and of Danny) -- but they end up foiling him in the end. Danny even mimics how Jack got away from the Dead Hag in Room 237 -- by walking BACKWARDS -- after having 'seen' the incident via his "shining" abilities. Those Roadrunner cartoons are in the movie for a reason, folks!
Interesting ideas. 🤔
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Whew! Try paragraphs!
There WERE paragraphs, only I didn't put spaces between 'em. I've done that now, so maybe you'll find it easier...?
Brilliant. You should write a book of your own!
Minty i love all your videos, i been binge watching them all !! greetings from new york !
ive been watching some crazy youtube vids on the shining recently. funny how you posted this 4 days ago. but 1 video called the wendy theory truly blew my mind, and another showing how the movie can be played forward, backward and to the album abbey road, and it all links up, is another insane detail