Who did Arkham Batman love?
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- Does Arkham Batman love Catwoman? Does he love Talia al Ghul? What about Vicki Vale or someone else? Is it even possible for us to know? Welp let’s figure it out. #batmanarkham #batmanarkhamcity #batmanarkhamknight
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00:00 What is Love?
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07:36 Origins of Love
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He loved me, i loved Him!
but from my big understanding of the big guy, talia was second.
@@SickJokerTheFirstayo
@@SickJokerTheFirstyeah
Ahame 5 knights if you coun the cold cold heart dlc
Batman's one and only love is the mission
Faxual statement
Bro 😅😭😭
Yeah and think about it he gave up his life for it training and creating the myth of Batman and he is confirmed to have done it after his so called death mission 1 talia Al goul 0 Selina kyle 0
Pretty much
hahahaha good one buddy
Batman only loved one woman.
Her name was Justice.
Lady Justice…. Wait a minute…. Metallica reference?
Fitting considering how Justice is Blind. Some could say…Blind as a bat.
@@user-zv9es6so8u So Helltaker was Bruce Wayne all along, makes sense.
He is committed to one lady in his life, and her name is Justice 😆
But his first sweetheart was vengeance
It's obvious that his true love was the power winch, because he could use it to detonate a controlled explosion after the bombs payload was exposed.
Why doesn't games den know this? Is he stupid?
😭
Is there a lore reason for this?
@@Yam-Yam45 Is he stupid?
No, That's just a line Kevin Conroy says in a certain mission involving the batmobile in the game Batman Arkham Knight.
@@Yam-Yam45
I'd say he was in love with Talia and then after her death he and Catwoman started to develop their relationship more. He definitely loves Talia, she's like the only person he shows emotion to in Arkham City, but considering the end of Arkham Knight he also definitely loves Selina.
Considering how both in different media have had kids with bruce
@@jimbowlan5804 bruce had kids with selina?
@@sc0rp0in40yeah they did
Nah. Catwoman or bust.
@@moshymosh duhhh
Maybe Talia can be seen as Gwen and Catwoman as MJ. If Gwen had survived, Peter would have stayed with her (as seen in Spider-Man Blue). However, that didn't happen, and with time and personal growth (for both Peter and MJ), they found happiness together. While being married, he still loved Gwen, not because MJ was lesser, but because the time he shared with her still had meaning.
The road to MJ (Catwoman in this case) is still canon and just as meaningful, due to Bruce finding someone he could trust and love again. It simply took a few (albeit painful) steps to get there.
well said
Huh, never thought of it like that.
That’s actually a really good way to put it, Talia is most likely alive in the Arkhamverse, given her body is taken by the League Of Shadows during the fight with Clayface, so they likely resurrected her with a lazarus pit.
But that doesn’t change anything, Selena was always just as excellent for Bruce, maybe even more so, there’s definitely less crazy zealot father in law baggage.
He’d have developed a much stronger relationship with her by the time of the events of Arkham Knight, hence why she knows Batman and Bruce Wayne are one and the same, they trust each other a lot more.
By that point they’d be close to being in an actual relationship of some kind, so even if Talia were to be found out to be alive or come in the picture in some way, things have changed, Bruce would love Talia in a different way, the way we love those who have passed.
@arthurfleck629 I think it's safe to say that Talia is gone for good. The Lazurus Pit was destroyed in Arkham City, and the Lazarus Pure Source was destroyed by Nyssa in Arkham Knight. There's no way for Talia to return.
@@beavers1978apart from the massive amount of time in between the games that would allow for her to revived. You also act like there isn't more than one Pit? Batman knows of one because he didn't know of their existence before. If this was Talia's first time I'm sure she would be fine.
While they were both alive, it was obviously Talia. I Think you missed a very important dialogue. In City, when Batman is rescued by Catwoman and protocol 10 starts, all Batman thinks is Talia, and Batman would've gone straight after her, to the point that Alfred has to reason with him that the city comes first. Pretty strong moment.
Yeah that one moment closes it
it could be both
I’m a cat and bat guy but I believe in the Arkham verse that Batman’s true love was Talia
HELL NAH
I agree
Batman very clearly has feelings for Catwoman in arlham knight. But knows their relationship cant go any further.
Reminded me of dark knight trilogy, his true loves gets murdered but he eventually finds happiness with catwoman at the end of the third one
@@medillyz bro she is the only women batman have kid with. Damian wayne.
If memory serves me right, before Alfred talked to him he was gonna let strange bomb Arkham City just to go save Talia.
Yes. Alfred had to straight up refuse Bruce's orders to get him to listen. Bruce was willing to let hundreds of people die in Arkham City to save Talia instead.
I forgot about cant remember lol
Saw someone saying that Arkham Batman doesn’t have a character
The goodbye message to Catwoman in Arkham Knight still makes me emotional… I just wanna see Bruce happy, man
arkham: talia
pretty much everywhere else: catwoman
Don’t forget Rachel from the Nolanverse
@@srstriker6420 I mean he ended up with catwoman at the end of TDKR but you could argue he loved rachel more
As it should
He showed the most love carrying the Joker
But I mean there is always Alfred
@@Wasab1onytI think Batman cares about Alfred more than anybody else in the whole series because Alfred is practically his dad.
I always loved how Talia called Batman beloved
I think Batman loves Talia and Catwoman he just doesn't know which one he wants to be with so he goes back and forth but I think after Talia's death he got closer to Catwoman because he didn't really know how to deal with Talia's loss so he just distracted himself with Catwoman's company I do think Arkham Batman loves Talia a bit more but to be honest I really don't know Batman is a complicated dude bro is a ladies man
when he said that 'Bruce Wayne' aka the 'real' him... i knew that this guy doesn't understand Arkham Batman since in the Arkham verse... Bruce Wayne is a facade and Batman is his REAL identity.... this goes to show how he handles talia in the theatre and picks jokers body instead of talias.... maybe talias death led Arkham batman to fully connect with catwoman and even talks about his real identity (sort of) aka being The Batman when riddler was defeated
plus batman loving Vicki is definitely a facade since that's 'Bruce Waynes' loving her although it's not real
@@godzillazfrictionI get that Batman is Bruce’s true personality but supposed fans believe that Batman is all there is to Bruce.
Batman is the dark half and Bruce is the light half: one can’t exist without the other, otherwise Batman would be a fucked up version of the punisher-even Alfred makes these fears of his voiced.
By the end of the day, Batman is his trauma and his real personality-pain, vengeance, determination, etc.
And Bruce is what keeps him grounded-love, restraint, the promise to his parents, etc.
@@forastero54321 no shit
@@godzillazfriction just thought you needed a basic reminder seeing as you stated “I knew that this guy didn’t understand Arkham Batman since in the Arkham verse Bruce Wayne is the façade.”
Which in itself is a “no shit” since everyone knows and you misunderstood his point.
I think it's cool how the love for both Talia and Selena are prominently shown. Love is complicated and often that seems to be taken in negative ways in media like a character falling out of love or someone cheating in the relationship. Here love is treated with more respect as something that is unique to someone's life. Bruce simply loved Talia and Selena at different points in his life. There's no "one true love" here. It's all unique to how this Batman's life has unfolded.
Batman is the harem king.
@@hiranmaydas4921 Dick Grayson*
That's how love works, there is no such thing as "the one", it is meeting a person you are compatible with at the right point in time for both, and if you both are willing to work on the relationship it will preserve but if it fails there is always other people you are also compatible with that would be willing to have a serious relationship with you.
I would say he loved talia but eventually due to her opening up a bit more he started to love catwoman and if you beat the side missions before the main story in knight, she calls him Bruce which means she has known Bruce was Batman before it was revealed.
I think Catwoman has this thing where it’s about learning to love again despite the tragedies. Catwoman acts cold as well as Batman in their own way but they act more vulnerable as the night goes on and the riddlers rage tenses up
I think if we really go back and analyze all of Batman and Joker's dialogue, there could be a solid argument to be made that those two are truly the loves of eachothers lives.
Y'all want batman to love joker so badly...🙄
Batman never loved Joker, especially since there's the implications that he wanted to do serious torture and damage to the clown prince of crime in Arkham Knight.
Only Joker 😆 Batman was the love of HIS life.
Since the joker is apart of Batmans mind in Arkham Knight him saying to confess your feelings before he takes control shows Batman definitely loves catwoman
Yeah. I think Batman did have feelings for Talia but he loves Catwoman. Joker being in his mind means he would know the best ways to hurt him. Ans he does that by telling Bruce to tell Selina how he feels cuz she has a target on her. Joker didn't say Dick, Bruce's adopted son and a person he cares for and Joker didn't mention Alfred who is a 2nd father to him. Clearly Batman cares a lot for Dick and Alfred, and yet Joker brought Catwoman into things.
Catwoman is his love. I'm a BatCat guy whether in the games or the comics and unlike most of Bruce's other love interests Selina is the one that relates to and understands him the most they share values and even when they aren't together they still love each other. The current state of their relationship in canon proves that one with them going through relationship drama thanks to the Catwoman book from last year to now and the upcoming war between them.
Yeah so do I because I thought of a new character called the Bat king and he is part of a anti Justice league team that are monster version of them
@@srstriker6420Talia is infinitely better than catwoman in every way shape or form.
That doesn’t mean anything in the Arkham verse. In the comics Catwoman knows Batman’s identity, in the games, she doesn’t find out until the very end of the franchise because Batman doesn’t trust her. It’s even alluded to in the Hugo Strange tapes in Arkham City.
@@SolFundamentum my point is the fact that they share the same level of connection and chemistry in the games
@@jlpgamin Talia is infinitely better than catwoman because of her unwavering loyalty for Bruce.
I feel like he genuinely loved Talia.
With Selina, he only really cared for her but didn’t plan to take it anywhere.
It was platonic love and I can relate.
It absolutely wasn't platonic but I know what you're trying to say lmao
@@TommFoolery There's probably more to it.
I'm by no means a comic-head but I know there's been a lot more going on in the comics.
In these games however, I can't remember anything explicit but then again, it's been 5 years since I touched the series.
@@ShFred They kiss in the the scene where Batman says goodbye to her in Arkham Knight. In that scene Catwoman also suggests they "get a hotel room" and it doesn't come across as a joke imo.
@@TommFoolery sht, forgot the kiss.
Well, Bruce does decline in the end anyway.
@@ShFred I mean, he'd decline absolutely anyone. He had shit to do lol
Batman almost sacrificed all of Arkham city for talia
Yeahh. Oracle or Alfred had to convince him I think
@@altalia07both did, oracle said "hundereds will die" alfred followed up by saying "batman must save gotham"
We might not know who Batman loves, but we certainly know who he's proud of.
Exactly
@@davidsiatatgaming ROBIN!
Dick
I'm proud of you di-
@@davidsiatatgamingjığ
I see this as situation similar to Peter Parker romance with Gwen Stacy and later MJ. Batman had feelings for Talia in Arkham City, despite opposing her methods. When she died, he and Catwoman slowly start to develop their relationship.
Bruh she ditches this man like every time they encountered each other.
Talia and Batman both had feelings for each other and after her death and Joker's death he basically was unbalanced.
The Arkham City DLC about Harley Quinn explains it.
My thoughts exactly!
@@NotRJ001Yeah, but hes saying their relationship developed more after Talia’s death
His true love is the power winch
He even triggered 23 controlled explosions with it
You forgot to mention the part where Batman was going to choose to save Talia over ending protocol 10 and only to stop it cause Alfred and oracle forced him too and he is someone who will always choose the mission
Batman LOVED Catwoman, period. I always looked at 'em as soulmates in the DC Universe.
Personally Talia was the best option in the Arkham Universe and she genuinely loved Bruce, she literally got caught intentionally to get the cure for Bruce.
Hell Ra's Al Ghoul even said she was the woman he loved during the end of the boss fight.
talia sucks bruh💀💀
Yup its obviously both. After her death he developed things with catwoman
Selina also was threatened twice by two different villains because she’s Batman’s ‘favorite cat’ and they knew that would get his attention
Small thing to point out, in arkham vr(which is canon), there’s voice messages of Vicki vale saying that they are not technically a thing and there is alao postcards by selina from different places around the world with also a globe which contains a cutout of different heists on the newspaper which took place in the same places as selinas postcards
When I played Arkham City back in the day, I kinda liked Talia more than Selina but I think when I found out how Damian was conceived led me to liking Selena more
@@Zuperfunjjj when was it retconned?
@@quentinjones6877 It was retconned but then retconned back and honestly it's really messy considering Batman Hush (the movie) essentially confirms it.
So it's canon but it's also not because that's how comics work.
Giving Bruce a date rape drug though is only one of the few things that make her an unstable love interest to Bruce in my opinion. Even with that instance in particular retconned after all, the stuff with Jason doesn't exactly paint her in a good picture either...
Personally I don't think that's a bad thing, from a writing POV. But then again I never cared much for Talia as a love interest for Bruce beyond being a past love interest, because that Dynamic is interesting to me. A past love that you were or feel betrayed by.
Edit: Essentially I think there's a lot of opportunity for muddled and complicated relationship between them which is no less good to read when done right. The only problem, is when done right lol
DC tends to have a history for avoiding addressing abuse of men and brushing it off or retconning it.
@@DilettanteThat I think son of batman (movie) confirmed it also
Batman loves dangerous women. That’s the one toxic quality that’s pretty consistent in the continuity. Even when Bruce thought Andrea Beaumont was still normal…BAM! She’s a vengeful murderous vixen! Of course, there’s Batgirl but 💥🔫
@@quentinjones6877I really hate that Grant Morrison retcon it to date rape. It was consensual until his moronic brain didn’t think so and now everyone goes with that continuity
In Arkham Origins it is revealed by letters in the bad gave that Andrea Beaumont who was an original creation for Batman Mask of the Phantasm exist in this universe and so anytime Andre is in the conversation I am going to be here without question.
Man love Jinkler, they only pretended to be arch nemesis infront of Woman and Honking Queef.
In the Arkham games at least it seems to be Talia, bro even stopped using the Batman voice but I think eventually it becomes Catwoman.
bro did u see who batman was carrying at the end of arkham city?
his true love is joker, no cap
ArkhamVerse Talia & Catwoman both seemed like they were good for Bruce, but idk, he seemed absolutely distraught over Talia’s death, even almost a year later.
We theorising this now? damn we really need new arkham content
Aslume
@@Vinesus Is he stupid? Controlled explosion, power winch
@@thegoldavenger.3829killer cock
did you see what happened to r/batmanarkham?
Is there a lore reason for this?
I think that when it comes to Arkham Batman, his true love was Talia. He clearly cared for Selina, but he showed himself very vulnerable when it came to Talia.
Seems pretty simple, doesn't it? He loved Talia, but she died. He then grew much closer to Selina, but before anything really seirous could happen there his identity was exposed and he made the choice to end it, knowing what he would do. It's pretty clear he didn't want to, but the mission comes first even before Selina and Talia.
well actually in city batman wanted to go save talia more then save arkham city but they had to convice him to go stop protocol 10 and in knight he goes to talia sword and says her name and takes a moment of silence for as long as you want till you press a button
@@hameddavila6150 I think he loved Talia enough to possibly end the mission, though just slightly. I don't think he loved Selina to that degree.
yeah so pretty much he loved talia more cause he would let a whole city be gone just for her so i dont know what this guy talking about in this video but makes sense cause he said he is a fan of cat and bat so makes sense@@alexanderthered5603
He had something going on with Catwoman in Knight for sure, but remember his reaction to seeing Talia’s sword in the GCPD evidence locker. He said “Talia… I’m sorry” and leaned against it.
I love the Cat and the Bat through and through but I think that in the Arkham series, Talia was Batman’s true love. Only after her death, Batman got closer to Catwoman.
I think Batman had a love hate relationship with talia where he did love her but knew it wouldn’t last cause if her devotion to the league of shadows. After she died he mourned her and mostly moved on only having regret about not saving her but ultimately decided not to ignore his feelings for Selina. It’s obvious he’s taking their relationship more seriously after city.
Dang I had no idea andrea was in the Arkham universe, I guess that might explain why Bruce was angry during his early years , maybe he lost her while she was searching for her father .
Oh my gosh I never heard the voice change that’s awesome. I love that detail
Jeez when you put it in the “We only know him for 4 nights out of 13 years” that really made me think differently haha
ej u 6umb yea cuy
yeah honestly we know nothing about this guy. we know his feats and his tech but deep down we know almost nothing about who Arkham Batman really is because we only see him for 4 nights that all have an extremely large time span between them
I'm pretty sure Catwoman said that she hasn't seen Batman in months after Arkham City.
Look at those two kisses. With Catwoman, he hold her and is doing something.
With Talia, on the other hand, he just stands there. He let her kiss him, but he himself not done much. Someone might argue that he didnt have time, and was poisoned with Joker´s blood, but he didn´t done anything at all.
I think that he love and in the same time hate Talia. He like her as woman, but all the League of Shadows stuff is not his style. And is too much big part of her. He can never be with her like that.
Catwoman is a criminal, but from time to time she do something good. She also don´t kill, only steal jewels, money and other stuff. Yes, there are times she steal somemething dangerous, but in the end, she is not that dangerous and he could be with her.
Bro, you completely skipped protocol 10 where Batman argued with Alfred about going after strange vs saving Talia. Crucial moment and Batman’s biggest conflict in the games. Talia 210%, he was willing to let everyone in AC die so he could save Talia.
True he loved her. But he developed things with Catwoman after. He didnt go in depth he just summarized it
Facts
If I’m not mistaken I believe the Vikki Vale messages in Knight were supposed to be a nod at Hush using Bruce’s face to go out and have fun. He eventually met up with Vikki and the other people that left him messages, and the real Bruce had nothing to do with it.
Also just want to mention how nice it is that the first time we see catwoman in arkham batman saves her, then later she saves him. Then in Knight He saves her from Riddler and let's her free, and instead of her leaving she later returns to "save him", I quoted it because she really helped more than save but still she came back for him even tho she could've left.
Bruh when you said these games take place "in 4 nights over a 13 year career" that really put it into perspective
As much as I love Batman and Catwoman together. His love is fighting crime in Gotham
I don't think it's wrong to say he loved Talia in the past but grew to love Selina later on. Kind of like natural progression. Talia was his past, Selina was his future (regardless if they last).
People move on, it happens, and if anything it gives more depth to their characters.
I just noticed the Arabic words on Ras al ghul's sword, it's (شيطان راس) translates "Demon head" or "Head of the devil".
Ras al ghoul or راس الغول in arabic translates to Head of the Ghoul. It's not perfect but i love these little details in the Arkham games.
It's obviously Joker. He even says it: "Isn't this what you've always wanted, Bats? Me...stuck deep I side you?"
Would have been funny had it not been for the "/j" at the end.
Edit: It appears my G has edited his comment and removed it. W moment
Joker: Harley, make sure you put on Batman mask when we fuck!
Oh hell naw
Bruh
I hate you.
😂
Batman’s greatest love is Gotham. 🖤
The fact that we basically only see 4 days of this Batman really makes me want more Arkham Batman lore 😢
It’s so clear.
Talia was the love of his life in this series and it makes sense because she was a more toned down version of the character, more in-tune with BTAS than Morrison’s run.
It’s so evident that Talia’s the only person Bruce shows genuine weakness towards across the games. Even in the Arkham Unhinged comics (which some claim are not canon because of AK - but it doesn’t matter) Bruce expresses a desire to leave the mission behind if he could spend the rest of his life with Talia.
Catwoman and Batman are an on and off, mostly sexually tense/physical, relationship. She doesn’t find out his identity until the very end of AK, this shows that they’re not on the same level in the Arkhamverse as they are in the comics.
He surely cares for Selina, but he doesn’t love her the same way he does Talia.
It’s just nice to see the writers take the Bruce x Talia dynamic seriously without writing either of the characters completely out of character.
Actually Selina always knew about his secret identity
Selina knows Bruce Wayne is Batman if you complete Riddlers challenges before ending Arkham Knight she tells Batman that she will sneak by Wayne Manor to make sure his doors are locked.
Great comment.
No he loves joker
@@2kgoofy Tf lmao
Trick question, His love life is fighting crime.
When Bruce was like 27 in Origins, he cared for the people of Gotham more than anyone (its clearly seen that he actually cared in the scene where we encounter Bane for the first time and there, Joker had bombed a building casually. Then Batman was angry as hell saying "How many people you just killed" ) and when he became more older in Arkham City and Knight, he fell in love with Tania and Selina respectively but his care for the people remained first and everything else were secondary. Thats why Origins is my favorite
I just have two things to say:
1. 10:44 that dialogue leaves me feeling complicated version of hatred for hallucination Joker
2. As a fellow BatCat stan, I am tired of DC dangling the couple in front of us like this: I am convinced the only reason they've never pulled the trigger is because it would disrupt their "successful" (and I use that word LOOSELY) status quo and they'd have to actually come up with NEW stories revolving around said NEW status quo
I hope the new Reeves Batman does something fresh, they’re clearly setting up cat woman being the main love internet
But that’s the thing, isn’t it? It’s always about the status quo in the end. It’s why Spider-Man can’t have Mary-Jane, why they always try to split Superman and Lois apart (and failed constantly to), why Wonder Woman and Steve Trevor are always in this weird place of yes/no. Because of bullshit like the status quo
Great video! Thanks for laughs lol
Its Talia in Arkham city when protocol 10 Bruce deadass was about to risk the entire city just to go save her from joker
Batman only has eyes for Catwoman and Gotham City.
Silver SaintCloud (i probably spelled that incorrectly) is pretty underrated.
Your not far off from the spelling it's just St Cloud though
@@jlpgamin thanks, bro. Inglish hard
@SebastianEnamorado-pz2ye Zatanna herself has admitted their best as friends
I think it's just that Dini wrote the animated series which left catwoman underdeveloped due to their scheduling and creative decisions so he naturally didn't focus on her as a love interest in the two arkham games. (she may have even been shoe horned in due to her content originally being a DLC and all). Knight was written by the head of Rocksteady who was probably more familiar with the classic Catwoman as love interest (also with Dark Knight Rises featuring her) so that game steered her more towards the love interest role.
Catwoman. End of story.
Batman lusts pretty hard for Talia, but she is as you say a temptress for his opposition and a killer. Catwoman is the woman he would want to be with, even if he has the hots for the bad girl. I also feel the Cat and Bat have the best romance out of all of Bruce's loves, and I think he cares deeply for Catwoman, that isn't immediate like with Talia, but the 2 are just too perfect together in the grand scheme of it. However Batman's true love is his unending crusade.
this video is awesome man. great job
There's only one person he brought out of Arkham City bridal style when they died and mourned for several months.
Fucking love Selena though, she's fun, flirty, sarcastic and adventurous.
Here is a list of Batmans love interests (or just people he has had a releationship with):
Catwoman
Talia Al Ghul
Vick Vale
Wonder Woman
Black Canary
Silver St. Cloud
Harley Quinn
Andrea Beaumont
Zatanna
Julie Madison
Poison Ivy
Lois Lane
Dick Grayson (Well people thought they had a gay releationship. They didn't but still.)
Original Batwoman (To make Batman not look like he's in a gay releationship with robin.)
The mission
AND OFC BATMANS BIGGEST LOVE INTEREST THEY LOVE EACHOTHER AND CARE ABOUT EACHOTHER MORE THAN ANYTHING YES YOU KNOW WHO IT IS IT'S:
The Joker (who is also Arkham batmans true love if you didn't know 🤣)
Add Lois Lane
You can also add Poison Ivy
You forgot to add Dick Grayson
@@hiranmaydas4921 Ain't that his son. Whatever people tought they had a gay releationship for a long time.
He’s in love with Talia
I recognized the music from Ape Escape at the beginning. 😊
Theres a voice message from vicki in wayne tower in AK. She acts as if he’s mad with her and not responding to her messages. She ends with “i miss u, brucie.”
What about the Joker? He even dedicated a love song to him and feels repressed sexual tension from Batman whe he sees him.
Joker was his one true love
💯💯
@@bangbang100francis6not true though. Whyyyy do Batman fans ship joker and Batman so hardddd? Batman absolutely does NOT view joker in that way...
“I gotta stop writing these high” is what I think to myself quite often
Den: How do you even find the time?
Arkham Batman: "I love the hustle".
Obviously, it's Justice.
Also. Vicki and Bruce didn't date during Arkham Knight, but before that happened. They had kinda broken up. Which Vicki also mentioned in Arkham VR, that they're technically not a thing, or something among those lines.
In all Batman universes Talia was introduced to Batman by Ra’s to lure him to the League and Batman knows that. She is the honeypot to make him an assassin. The other thing to note is that Talia calls him Bruce, when she goes to kiss him she removes his cowl and as you pointed it’s Bruce Wayne’s voice that is heard not Batman. Catwoman on the other hand kisses a masked Batman and calls him Batman.
Batman has no issue with Talia’s guards seeing his face or knowing his name is Bruce which shows a HUGE level of trust.
They are both unrequited loves. Batman could never date a thief and Bruce Wayne could never date an assassin, they are people he wants but morally can’t openly have.
They are both self decided “what if’s” that he could unequivocally date if he wanted to. They are both people that he should stop and could stop based on his code as a vigilante but his attraction to both stops him.
He taunts himself with both, he wants that normal life but actively picks two women he could never commit to fully so he picks a persona (Batman and Bruce Wayne) to pursue each, Bruce Wayne can love Talia and ignore her bad sides and Batman can fall for Catwoman and ignore her bad sides but like his own lack of commitment to an identity he can avoid commitment to a woman.
… or you know polyamory.
Catwoman does call him Bruce in arkham knight. Bruce didn't even tell Talia he was dying. Bruce told Catwoman Batman was gonna "die" when he said good bye to her in AK. Catwoman is also a better person morally and is considered more of an anti hero cuz even the other villains see her connection to Batman.
In Arkham City, Batman prioritized saving Talia over stopping Protocol 10. He put saving her life ahead of saving hundreds of people. Alfred had to talk him out of it and straight up refuse to follow his orders.
That says a lot about how much Bruce cares about Talia.
honestly i dont see how anyone is getting better than this
All I’m saying is he carried joker out of the theatre in Arkham city instead of talia…
I think it is clear Talia is his love here. The way Oracle reacts implies that for whatever reason he just can't stay away from her. Cat Woman might be more interesting, I think it is clear that Arkham implies she is the love of his life. He clearly cares deeply for catwoman but most of that happens only after Talia is dead.
The only person that Man has ever loved is the jigglor, that's why he imagines the jonkler in man: ham knight
He loves Alfred: the only person who can tame the man when others can’t.
short answer: the jonkler
Batman loves GOTHAM🤣🤣🤣
8:35 to MFN eXquire samples this on his song orbz. I thought that voice clip was from some drama series
I remember seeing official artwork of Bruce proposing to Selina
*Bruce clearly loved, Talia.* Sure, he probably had some feelings with Selina, but those feelings were probably reduced to an acquaintance sort of relationship later on. I’m just annoyed that Oracle b**ches about Bruce having a relationship with another person while she dates Robin. Sure she’s an international assassin, but to refer the animated series, she shares her fathers vision, but she doesn’t share the same means to that vision.
She supports her father who is a terrorist. Whether she likes his methods or not she supports them and enables him. She I feel like you can't blame oracle for not liking her getting favoritism when she is far worse than some of his villains considering the level of crim Rahs is associated with
Lol it did seem like she was jealous of Talia. 😂
I mean, Talia for city is at least in a somehow priority and relationship with Batman. Only reason why she lost is, well, she is dead. That makes part of how the stories move, and the result left in order to us to interpret takes us back to catwoman at the end. Is olnot like Bruce forgets, but eventually catwoman is the winner.
This video got me thinking; I would've loved to have seen a continuation of the Arkham series after Knight, introducing Damien Wayne into the Bat family, they planted the seed in Arkham City with Talia's mention of their "night in Metropolis". Hell, they could've even made Damien the Arkham Knight himself (as the reveal with Jason just felt really redundant after Rocksteady had "confirmed" it wasn't going to be him behind the mask; they really might as well have just introduced him as Red Hood if that's what they wanted to do) Obviously Damien's age isn't really in line with that, but his motivation could have been fuled by his mother's death, tying it all in nicely with City. Either way, it's implied that Bruce continued to be Batman after the events of Arkham Knight, so hopefully we'll find out a little more in the upcoming Suicide Squad as it's confirmed to take place in the Arkham-verse. Nice video man, keep it up :)
I really like the Andrea easter egg in Origins! Had no idea that was there.
Talia. Duh.
Nahhh, Batman is just shy of telling he loves The Joker
*Describes a 3 out of 5 contest*
*preforms a 2 out of 3 contest*
He does... His beloved IS JUSTICE!
I think that his relationship with talia was genuine, cus when joker takes talia hostage, he calls her batman's girlfriend. So maybe they did stuff in public or sum
there is an easter egg in arkham origins that involves andrea beaumont aka the phantasm
I'm glad there is no emphasis on romance in these games. He's focused on his mission. His true love
16:11
Selina literally has a neck snap takedown and sharp claws that she cuts people with.
Liked Catwoman, Loved Thalia