The Aftermath of The Cheating Video - Escape from Tarkov
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out of all the tarkov youtubers ,the guy who made the cheating video actually had the most positive impact on the game development. irony at its best
yep. all the clout chasers and bsg meat riders act like they care. pest didnt evne bother to talk about it on he stream and post clip on YT bcuz "it wasnt a right thing to do" LMAO. if g0at had that mentality then we would still be in the denial that desync is the only problem and cheaters are not that common.
except he didn't.
he had no impact at all outside of literally just making the problem worse by showing where people can get cheats lmao.
The cheat seller even gave him a thank you for the free advertising.
@@Battlefield2021 did he show what cheats he used? Why would he have done that? I don't believe he did, atleast as an average g0at viewer who watched the vid and didn't bother diving in the topic I wasn't exposed to this
This fool did not help the game as much as Veritas 😂😂😂
@@youngkob3408 yeah, honestly dude, like I dont understand why people are heralding g0at as some kind of hero.
Dude fucking made a video in an effort for attention, not to "help" the game.
EVERYONE already knew there was cheaters. This is not news to anyone.
I hope BSG keeps this up, I would rather have the cheating issue cleaned up as much as possible than new items/maps/guns and what not
It´s not like they where developing extremely slowly anyway.. I mean cmon, did you guys ever see the revenue BSG made in Europe alone on Tarkov? they could afford the dev time size ten times over and still be on a mountain of cocain and hookers
Exactly make it so much hassle to cheat that it reduces the number of them
He could really set an example with a lupo cam on his 5 day kappa speedrun. Prove he's legit and promote fair play. He's making a bold claim with 5 days to kappa, cheesing or not, I wouldn't call it legit if he wouldn't lupo cam it just like g0at streams.
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I agree but these should be different departments anyway since it requires different skills (designer instead of programmer/developer for example) so it might slow that part down but they cant just switch their full focus on a certain aspect of the game.
Tarkov needs a raid replay system. Not only for fishy deaths but it would be so cool to go back and watch fights you hear but didn't get to and other stuff.
This would be dope
not before they actually fix the cheating problem. they need to fix that before adding a single other piece of content or features
This would be amazing for recording cinematics and shit
@@zap5330 true but I doubt the same people working on security are working on main features for the game. And if they are then I guess that's why we have this problem.
@@zap5330 100%. this will just give the cheaters more glory unless they stop them, which is impossible UNLESS BSG buys the super expensive anti cheat.
While I appreciate that BSG is now getting serious and starting to take some real tangible actions to help eliminate cheating (or the reasons to cheat), my question would be....Why did it take a Streamer, potentially sacrificing his perceived integrity, to get this movement jump started? Maybe they really didn't know just how bad it was or did they just not care until it became a PR issue. Either way, either option is not acceptable. Im sure BSG is not a fan of that streamer right now, but in the end I hope they realize he might have saved their game by forcing their hand.
becuase its their main source of income. They ban the cheaters, do nothing about the cheating, they buy another account. their highest paying asset is cheaters rebuying the game
They arent doing anything new. It's been a constant cycle with BSG for the last 5-6 years. Ignore the community until it reaches a breaking point, there starts to be large player losses, nikita does an AMA/Large reddit post, says "planned" to everything people talk about. Makes a few quick changes in-game, and then the cycle restarts.
@@horseliver338there’s no such thing as a tin foil hat once you are talking money. There’s no reason at all besides money why a developer would be on thin ice like this.
Because the people that make the game obviously are giving out the ways in which you can cheat behind-the-scenes and it's paid for play. There may even be a ring of people inside the developers. That are making money on the side. There's a reason they don't want replays. And it's not hard to figure out for programmers that a lot of people have crazy kill death ratio.
@@horseliver338 so true pestily was very careful in how he spoke about this. He still didn't bring up the real issue that people cheat in this game not just for profit but just to do it for fun and to the loss of the legit players. The community it has and the Wiggle.
The clip that shows Dylhero running through the door killing the guy instantly just shows me, it would be impossible to have manual reviews in Tarkov with that desync lol.. Tarkov is in a rough state for sure
That is right... I think that it is BSG fault that that guy was reported... from fisrt perspective it looks like cheats... from second perspective it looks normal... It is not possible to judge when we have those desyncs and lags...
I think the idea for manual reviews was once there are replays implemented where you can see what happened according to the server it will be clearer to see if the person was cheating. What the server sees is probably something different to what each client sees but that is the truth
Just give us server side replays, so you see what really happens, the exact positions of the players. Noone would complain, even if from their POV it seemed like cheating. We could watch the replay and say, oh yeah it was godawful desync. Or we could see if it really was cheating, like through the wall, or someone beelined towards you and you never was in LOS.
yep we need 60 tick servers (stable) if we want it to work and that's MINIMUM. Even in games like Apex where its 20 ticks stable the spectator client hardly works. Manually reporting via clips is not the play, they just need to review logs. I don't know why this is not something battleye offers as a service since they ask a lot of money for their anti cheat, if you're a company that only offers cheating solutions why not make sure you have the personnel in house to deal with it.
@@bearonguitar except it would not lead to legit player's ban. THe dead guy could see, oh so he was already there according to server, even if he reports, the other won't get banned, cause he did not do anything wrong.
Please talk more about this, get the knowledge out there to as many people as possible to continue this change.
Tarcov needs theatre mode to show everyone's perspective in game to make certain that cheaters are cheating via aimbot or esp. I've been saying this for years.
@@christianbarrera3614 Nikita has talked about that eventually coming to the game
@@Buchta179 Cool, I'm sick of people saying it'd ruin the "hardcore" immersion. It's a video game that is filled with cheaters, immersion ruined already.
@@animtok only thing that makes me hopeful for a continued pressure to keep making cheating harder is the arena. If they don't it will be DOA
@@Buchta179 Nikita's talked about a lot of things "eventually" coming to the game. This sentiment is beyond worthless.
He says in the original video " this will change your perception of first person shooters forever" and he's right. I played some Call of Duty MW2022 that night and paid close attention to the kill cams when normally I skip them... Usually when someone is using hacks you can tell right away (blatant aim bot, shooting through hard walls, etc). This was common in Warzone 1.0.
But now in MW2022 I noticed in a few games when I was using the Ghost perk, Dead Silence, suppressed weapons, that some top players seemingly always know where I am. Experienced players will look to choke points or common hiding places as they're coming around a corner, but this wasn't quite it. Several different games I'd watch someone's kill cam and see that they were looking exactly where I was through multiple walls before entering an area, and even pre-firing me before it made sense to do so.
I even tested one guy by doing weird things like laying down in the middle of wide open areas in a way that was very unusual. He always came into the area knowing exactly where I was - every single time. Probably about a quarter of MW2022 games I played that night had at least one "suspicious player" that would kill me a couple of times in a similar manner.
I even had a teammate that I was following doing strange things like this. Entering multiple areas at dead sprint without any regard for caution, then suddenly looking at the next area in ADS and firing just as he got line of sight of another player. We didn't have a UAV or anything. I reported him for cheating because there's no way he wasn't.
It has totally ruined the game for me. Now I'm watching kill cams, looking for any sign of cheating, finding myself yelling "that's bullshit!" when I die a lot of the time, even though most of the time it ends up being legit. But it's planted a seed of doubt in my mind, and I have noticed actual cheaters with this. It's frustrating because I play on Xbox, and until crossplay with PC became a thing you absolutely never saw cheaters on Xbox Live. I wish I could turn crossplay off and go back to enjoying myself.
Yeah unfortunately CoD is one of the worst, I absolutely refuse to play that shit though tbh Tarkov ruined FPS games for me long before that video, the concept behind tarkov is fucking un-parrelled and I can not play standard FPS's anymore. I tried hunt showdown, had some fun for a few weeks and then got bored now I'm back to ARPG's and shit.
I practically abandoned FPS games a couple years ago, I thought Halo infinite might have breathed new life into my favorite genre, but alas that died a death from lack of content plus a complete lack of anticheat.
I just play PvE/Co-op games exclusively now, but I saw the Goat vid the other day, I'd stopped playing Tarkov when the 5th map was added, but thought I'd see if the vid was bait, and once I saw the leaning I was not at all surprised. Well a tad it was truly that bad on Tarkov, but the leaning itself? I used to see this on Rainbow Six Siege, if I suspected a cheater I would try to bait a prefire and stare through the wall and tilt like a "go for it, you're blatantly cheating and we won't win this match", step out and get plinked. I would then watch a match replay and sure enough, they would see me leaning and taunting, and they would by instinct, do the exact same.
Developers either need to hardware ban (which to be honest won't stop as I've read they can be Serial number masked?) and maybe AI to detect blatant cheat %'s
I remember when EA had "FairFight" Anticheat in Battlefield 4, EA stated that the detection could see anomalies in K/D, accuracy etc, but the countless times lobbies had some guy spin botting with a sniper rifle was ridiculous, nothing happened, ever.
Thats because surpressors bug out ghost and actually reveal your position on radar when you shoot. They still havent fixed it apparently. Im sure theres cheaters but seeing you is just cause the game is broken trash.
@Slimer Greenz This.
@Slimer Greenz yeah Cronus exists. But it seems that the wall hacks are far more common.
I've looked into those ban lists in the past and found that many of them didn't even play that wipe. But some did. So I'm weary about those lists. That video confirmed a lot of my suspicions and theories. With the fake TTV names and after reaching a certain KD, all of a sudden it seems like you are hunted/targeted. Everything becomes blatant. Which is usually when I stop playing and wait for the next wipe.
I got falsely banned for alleged 4.3.4. infraction 8 days ago and I'm not on any of the lists. Idk, it's all fishy asf
Not to mention. Out of the 4000 people banned, most of them probably just made a new account and are still cheating
it's just damage control. Now all of a sudden they can find this heap of players cheating in a weekend? why weren't they banned earlier?
@IrLosin also, turns out if you got banned for cheating you can actually get un banned for it twice
@@IrLosin I bet the real bans were banned earlier and were just put on the latest list. Maybe some of those bans happened months ago. But I doubt all those names on these recent lists are recent. As was the case in the past. It's just a list to say "We are doing something", to get people to calm down.
Imagine an early access game developer actually listening to it's player base (after a few years). What a time to be alive
Make that 6 years
I’ve just been wiggling into the abyss in every direction I hear a player…
Cheating happens in all games, but I moved on from Tarkov after seeing Goat's video. It was the push I needed to leave the game. If I could play more than 1 raid per hour I would come back. But this game needs a lot of fixing to reach that point.
I think his video was exaggerated, or the cheaters are so fucking bad at the game that they aren't really making a known difference to me. I'm still surviving over 60% including spamming streets.
I honestly think he was in cheater lobbies because he used a shitty detected cheat and claims it "wasn't detected" because the dev says that.
Technical issues, bad development direction and cheating will be Tarkovs downfall in the long run.
@@Altiveda eh it was more likely the server he is running honestly lol
@@Altiveda His anecdotal evidence is somehow less credible than my anecdotal statement - Altiveda
@@cn9707 dude clearly didn't listen to the goats vid explanation, these are people he would have never known were cheating in his lobbies without ESP. what makes altiveda think the closet cheaters aren't simply avoiding him. the smartest thing a cheater can do in this game is not kill a player. you could easily get away cheating and simply avoid players and get tasks done unless said task requires those kills.
one thing I always love about you pest is that you tell people to take a break from the game, which is exactly what I'm doing this wipe.
Really appreciate what goat did for this community.
Grow up boy......
It almost sounds that you believe that they don't do it for clicks:money.
@@JonesBeiges why don’t you grow up and stop being such a buzzkill. Smoke a joint and be more positive
@@JonesBeiges sure to a point but that video had the potential to ruin his entire channel, bsg could sue goat if they wanted and ban him everytime he tryed to stream eft, part of it was for views like any content creator but the man put himself in a very risky position to lose everything, realizing that is “growing up”
They could ban him but they can’t sue him. No idea why people keep saying that.
@@JonesBeiges Found the ESP user
I almost exclusively play SPT now. I'd rather be able to control my experience and make it just a little more playable and not worry about cheaters. I hope BSG add an offline progression so I don't have to bother with this especially now with cheaters and their netcode being so bad, but I doubt they will.
The ammount of mods and fun available in SPT far surpasses desync lag cheater pvp for me. Completely blows it out of the water, and I'm not going back
@Gobby think its a tarkov mod that makes it singleplayer
if they do that i'd actually play the game.
Unfortunately single player doesn't hit the same. Killing a bot is never as intense or thrilling as killing a player. Especially not in a game like Tarkov. You can have fun/difficult enemies but in realistic games.. Meh.
@@famulanrevengeance3044 AMEN pve is for queen pvp is for king if you dont like to die pvp isnt for you go play Fallout.
I just love that you are already ready for Christmas 🎄
Awesome video. Thanks Pestily.
The fact that the cheating video is what motivated Nikita and BSG to finally make some good changes doesn't bode well with me.
How so?
@@F0R3C4ST distraction from the real problem to satisfy some people
@@Charlie_Nice in what way does reducing camera recoil, reducing the target acquisition from bosses, adjusting flea rep, making SBIH easier, making player scavs spawn later, removing the kappa requirement for the outpost task, adjusting bitcoin price, removing turn speed debuff, and bringing the ledx craft back have anything to do with cheaters?...This was a cut and dry damage control situation from BSG.
@@F0R3C4ST I listed some example in my other comment if you were curious.
@@Magswap but these are changes long needed still so who cares
This game wouldn't have as many issues if they just for once fully focus on dealing with optimization, performance and cheaters.
All the BS that occurrs all the time from simply the lack of optimization (desync and such..) already ruins the experience of the game, most of the time, but was still somewhat toleratable, regardless of BSG never really focusing on a health patch whatsoever.
Now ontop of that the amount of cheaters that started to increase is simply insane and made me quit a month after the latest wipe.
EFT does everything in its power to drain the fun out of the experience with each update we get.
Tarkov’s biggest enemy to success is BSG.
BSG is the 343 of survival games.
The problem here is that we're playing a beta, no, seeiously: EFT is supposed to be a pvevp semi-open world survival game, an innumerable (since bsg is rightfully keeping hush hush about the full scale of the project) amount of content, and literal systems are being worked on to release on 1.0: What we've been playing for the past few years has been a small cut of the full pie. Now, that doesnt excuse the cheating nor network problems, but what alot of people seemingly, genuinely dont umderstand, is that game studios (or any large project) are made up of multiple specialised teams; Lets say bsg employs 200 game devs, if they wanted to focus 100% of their resources on cheating, that doesnt mean they assign those 200 employees to that project, since only a small subset would have the skills to do anything about it: You can't tell 3d artists to 'fix the netcode', because they're not network engineers. Anyway, I really, really want bsg to get their shit together, because there will never be a game like tarkov ever again, noone else has both the money, vision, and passion to create a niche game like this.
@@godskitten49f they're specialised, then there is no reason for the team behind the anti cheat to literally be asleep at the wheel. Also this game is honestly horrible, from terribly balanced maps, weapons and and ai, to it being broken, full of cheaters regularly, having poorly thought out mechanics or design put into the game, and jesus the desync man, all make a terrible experience where having fun is honestly only possible with friends, which means nothing, because literally anything is fun with friends.
Edit: I also don't get what you mean by its in beta... it is in beta, but its also early access, which means what we are seeing is what they have barring whatever is being developed at the time, it would make literally no sense to with hold game play features, especially when people are constantly starving for new content. Its an early access beta, not a normal beta, or demo or anything, nor would they have the resources to do something like that.
@@godskitten49 6 years in the making and the game has zero detailed plans on releasing a full version, wake up this IS the real game.
I love your content man, just so chill. Take care bud.
Got head, eyes'd by a guy that wasn't even looking at me today. Feels great, especially when you only have the worst gear available.
The video blackpilled me into not playing Tarkov anymore
That vid legit made me quit the game and I’ve had such a great week so far because of it highly recommend
agreed, BSG is in serious damage control mode right now trying to do any little change the community wants to try and keep the few amount of players that are holding on or bring others back but for me and im sure a whole lot others they are just flat out done and not giving them a chance anymore.
Yeh same here, I just been playing some elden ring and some other stuff with the boys and we've been having a blast. I'll just wait this cheater situation out.
With goat video, we can now confirm all our doubts from past raids, and that's what, for me, is making me quit. No longer a "ehhh, maybe he's cheating", it's confirmed and I don't want to generalize, but a lot of my deaths have been because of cheaters. 8 grenades in a row, didn't move for 20 minutes before they arrive, how is that even possible. I didn't do a single step either for all those 8 nades. lmao
Too many fall in to the sunken cost fallacy. I left the game in 2019. My main complaint was optimisation but even back then many of deathe left me wondering if someone can really be that good or am I the sucker at the poker table.
@@xProTwist no we can’t 😂 the only thing he proved is that he is a Timmy xD
I quit playing over a year ago because of cheaters. I'm keeping up with it now because of that video and chuckle as I watch BSG struggle with this.
Love you, Pest. I haven't played Tarkov in 2 wipes now, but I still enjoy watching you play. Keep up the great work.
watching him cheat you mean
not playing the game until they add trusted platform settings. i've had enough.
My only question about this is this now. Why is BSG reactive and not proactive about this. Only do anything about it really when there is something happening in the community for as long as the community is quite and don't do anything too drastinc they are more than happy to sit around and do nothing about it.
They constantly have been it’s just drama makes them need to speak up and talk about it more, I’m just curious how much time do you spend messaging devs about games, how much do you know about the behind the scenes because if it’s not at all then calling them reactive is just assuming things
Follow the money. Is cheating bad for game companies? No, unless it gets bad enough to effect sales. When it gets bad enough to be talked about/effect sales they react and do the bare minimum to shut the community up. "Shut up and buy our product...Now get excited for next product!!"
But overall they don't care because a cheaters money and a regular players money is all the same to them. Don't believe me consider this, which do you hear game companies really trying to stop Piracy or Cheating? Piracy right, Denuvo and all these anti-piracy measures you hear about all the time. Piracy is lost sales, cheating is not.
But cheating? "Oh we banned people, see!" "Oh we putting easy anti cheat into the game." They do the bare minimum. Because stopping cheating takes time and money, and gives very little benefit to the company. When was the last time you heard a game company get credit for stopping cheaters? When have you recommended a game to your friends "oh you should buy this game they work really hard to stop cheaters." When was the last patch notes you saw where they bragged about their anti-measures, if there wasn't a scandal going on? Anti-cheat measures don't sell games.
It sucks I know. But they are a business. Businesses exist to make money. Unless cheating costs money, they would like to do nothing. Long answer I know, but that is why they are reactive. There is no money, or very little money in being proactive, so they aren't.
@@captainblastems3367 No they haven't they havent made any changes to traders up until now they haven't done anything they could have easily dont UNTIL the community went up in arms. Why are you curious about what I do? You should be curious why it's taking the cummonutiy snapping for BSG to do anything proactive about the problem.
@@captainblastems3367 Well that's a fucking lie. They might ban people but they don't make systemic chances on their policy until now which to me, is quite telling. Nikita has formally said that just *_now_* they're considering going after cheating software sellers whilst they've heavily went after SPT (single player tarkov) modders. He's talked opening about making changes to battle eye and he's talked about adding a replay system into the game at some point so people can review their game and even catch cheaters out. None of this shit was on the road map they occasionally release, none of it. What's assuming things here is their benefit of the doubt.
@@Marth667 You are right, this wasn’t on the road map because the game originally had a 20k player base and cheating wasn’t prevalent. They do have a lot to fix and hopefully it gets there, till then I’m sick of tarkovs self hating and obnoxious community,. Take Pestily’s advice go play another game, thought I doubt many will because most of you guys just like circle jerking about how bad the game is and acting like you know shit about the backend of game development.
always a pleasure pestily. love your insight my good sir. also just thought id lyk something funny, a techpowerup article on nvidia vsr used one of your streams an your face as comparison material. very random to see a wild pestily on a techpowerup article
I haven't played tarkov in about 6 months but last week I decided to go back on it and still the net code is a massive issue in the game, sound still sucks and the whole experience is painful not because of player mechanics but because core issues that have been up with the game for a long time.
Due to the fact that Tarkov is built on Unity engine, these issues probably won't go away at all unless they completely remake the game on a different engine...
What pisses me off the most personally is bad optimization and cheating problem, and honestly, bit too frequent wipes. And i just can't understand developer's endless urge to make new content instead of fixing major and not so problems. The game doesn't even look impressive to be that greedy for PC specs.
For me, Tarkov is in a state right now where new content needs to be put on the back burner and all the issues need to be fixed. Not just hacking but all the bugs. I've been playing since 2017 and I can honestly say that only 1 or 2 updates felt as bad as the updates from the past year alone.
I believe separating what we see for overall KD into player KD and AI scav KD will help in detecting cheaters if that information is made public through a database or something.
I don't understand why this hasn't happened sooner? In my mind, the Wiggle video did 1 of 2 things:
-Showed BSG the genuine problem they had (and they somehow didn't know about it beforehand)
-Made the issue widely known to the public and BSG, having known about the severity of cheaters for some time now, is now forced to play damage control to save their trust and player count.
In theory, BSG could have been working this hard the entire time and their communication is just terrible, but, again, why? Things just don't add up here.
BSG has long known about the cheating problem, they just didn’t want to address it, because most of their employees use cheats to RMT as a side hustle
Greed and incompetence
Well when people stop buying the game and playing their only revenue is from banning hackers and having then pay for another copy.
one of the big problem is that most people can"t say if they came across a cheater most of the time bevause of low hours count and as someone with 6k hour in tarkov i've seen it happen where a dude just wipe a 3 man me included trough 5 different bush and everyone is like nah not a cheater or the people always saying get good when they don't have half the stats and so yeah it did bring to light to most casu how the "end" game was like when you get used to the game getting killed more than 10 times a day by a cheater is just not acceptable
Expect chat maker messages eroktic and said they are swimming in cash after the free advertisement on GOATS video. The video turned up the cheater into over drive. And if you wiggle now they will rage hack you
the current communication between BSG and the community will hopefully stay on the level we are right now and not go back to dead silence for months
Spoilers: it will go back 🤣
BSG is like a BPD girlfriend who will put in effort when they can tell you're getting fed up and thinking about leaving them, only to act like a PoS again when they feel comfortable. You have to break the cycle before they do something crazy, like cut off your penis.
@@alexmesa5393 *_Only when the forest is fire, does the ostrich take it's head out of the sand._*
@@solargeneral6685 russia is going into ukraine, not the other way round. Theres no impact on russian citizens lol
@@solargeneral6685yea not like they live in london or anything 😂
Cheating killed online gaming over a decade ago. This recent video is the first time you can really see it in real time. Harsh realization but it's true. If there is but a single cheater in a game like Tarkov, CS, TF2, then there is no longer a challenge, and you are simply playing a game where you are hiding from and avoiding cheaters.
It's been going on since the 90s. Even in the first Doom game people removed the red screen when you get hit, to see their enemies better. It all went downhill from there. Counter strike was the first game where cheaters became very noticable and common.
A lot of these changes make me feel like the Raid series, if you had time to do one next wipe, would be vastly different than previous ones.
This makes me kinda happy, I stopped playing Tarkov since December because of the cheater issue and I dont see myself coming back just yet . Thanks for the update
This is the first wipe i've played since the one with the customs rework, probably longer than the break that can refresh a lot of people but it's been fun to come back and see all the changes and the new maps.
Oh so streamers get there content reviewed now but the average player can’t ?
Still cant find original video, what is it called?
Thanks for the video! But how is it possible to stay up for 5 days playing 24/7?
The end summed it up perfectly and it doesn't apply to just cheating, the fact of the matter is the majority of people have no idea if/when they're dying to cheaters or how much it really affects their game, most of the time its just a catchall for people who are frustrated or ignorant, but the answer is incredibly simple, if you are no longer having fun with the game take a break and go play something else until its in a place where you will have fun with it again. You should also temper your expectations for anti cheat, Tarkov certainly has a lot of room for improvement but its never going to be perfect either, there is simply no such thing as a popular multiplayer game without cheaters and there never will be
Well we've seen this with games like cod and apex legends, there was huge influxes of cheaters in those games too but they managed and the situation is controlled right now. Sure you have the odd cheater running around but it's NOWHERE near as bad as it was before. This is all we ask for for tarkov, we know it is simply impossible to completely eradicate the problem but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try your best to contain them to a small group instead of letting them form a large mass which has happened now. I imagine this is waaay harder to contain if there's that many of them instead of just having an odd cheater here or there.
@@danny7694 I mean generally yes, which is why I said they still have a lot of room for improvement, but also kind of no, Apex just made a statement just this week about their hacker issue which is fairly large and plaguing pro play, I admittedly don't know much about cod, I know csgo had a 300k person ban wave just last year, even valorant with one of the most intrusive and "good" anti cheat systems out their is having a reportedly big issue with hackers, keeping in mind those are also all games that have been fully out of development for years, made by extremely experienced and large teams, backed by companies worth many times what bsg is worth.
Just as a disclaimer I think bsg does have a cheater issue and they can do more about it, but something else to keep in mind is there's no rank/matchmaking system in tarkov, its a game in development that mixes people who have 8000 hours with others who have 8, its like throwing a master playing in apex into a silver lobby, most of the people there are going to call them a hacker, that combined with all the issues that arise from it still being in development, things like desync, the bad sound, the invis player issue they just fixed the other week, a TON of people who think they're dying to cheaters just aren't
I have posts on Reddit from 2019 discussing the growing cheating problem on tarkov. I was criticized and treated like a conspiracy theorist, received a lot of negative karma etc. The reason it took a big streamer to air out this issue is because the members of the community blindly discouraged cheat discussion by everyone prior.
Good thing reddit clout points are completely worthless
@@theviolenceenjoyer good thing you missed the point of my comment
@@nahidontthink No I didn’t
@@nahidontthink now that you said that to me, I’m glad your fellow celibates shamed you publicly
@@theviolenceenjoyerComing from your anonymous CZcams account that you're too afraid to attach your real identity to, we both know who the incel is in this conversation
I’ve found 4 evasions armbands in the past 2 weeks on reserve. In 5 wipes I’ve never seen one. Good luck on the speed run. I haven’t seen a loot lord so far this wipe
Good advice about taking a break between the cheaters, desync and dog shit directional audio this wipe has been so frustrating my whole group have stopped playing.
I gotta say, I really appreciate your take on the whole situation. Compared to most of the other big streamers of Tarkov, you've stayed relatively cool calm and collected about the whole thing. The way you closed this video out was perfect. I agree, been playing loads of different games lately, catching up on naps, spending time with my dogs more, so much less stress than playing current Tarkov.
Sure. Pay bsg and get out of their servers. Beta is cool excuse for every shit they spit.
@@boggartmob imagine being so sad and bitter
@@boggartmob btw i paid for eod and Idgaf since video games arent my life and 100 bucks is chump change 👍😙
@@boggartmob I'm more than satisfied with my 1600 hrs from last year.
@@boggartmob I have 13k hours, I think it's safe to say I got mileage out of my 100 bucks. It's no secret the game's a mess right now an everyone knows it but there's no reason to completely lose your mind over it. Go touch some grass do something else with your life while they clean up the mess over the next year or so.
staying awake 5 days does permanent brain damage bro.
Tell that to the military. Youre definetly right that its not healthy, but you can do your best to mitigate risks. (Eating healthy, rountinely moving etc, all hard when youre speedrunning kappa tho xD)
for the evasion armband if you do get stuck on it just farm shutman stashes very common in it
Allegedly the book for the LEDx craft has at least 2 spawns on lighthouse were it shares the spawn with the other crafting books.
I wish they would remove the flea market all together, we dont need it!
Looks like Nikita is dropping that "realism" element he was so hellbent on as opposed to actually dealing with cheaters.
I suppose if he dealt with cheaters properly he wouldn't get as much repeat business.
"Realism" has been dead in this game for years lmao. Recoil 10x stronger than a real gun, and your TRAINED MERCENARY character able to run for 10 feet before being winded. Don't get me started on helmets.
Probably not, but I will still ask, do you get the Shooter born in heaven retroactively, like if I got 6+ kills over 100m a week ago, will it apply now, that the quest will change?
You can get an evasion out of the shturman stash pretty easily if youre struggling to find one.
Even though a replay feature wouldn't directly target the source of cheating, it WOULD help to ease my mind about every suspicious death. Right now it's so painful not knowing if it's a cheater or not.
Until there are improvements unfortunately I've decided to put the game on hold.
Agreed, if you get outplayed by someone legit, it is an opportunity to learn and improve. Getting domed by some chump with aim bot is just a waste of time.
Would be nice. A lot of games have a kill cam so you can at least see where you got shot from, or a few seconds of the killers perspective. Would do a lot for catching cheaters and making sure those of us who don't stream have video for the devs to review. With the current well you died, but didn't even see where the shot came from, not much you can do, was it cheating, was it a sniper who knows.
The crazy part is every one of those 4000 banned cheaters were back up and playing literally the next day so the overall cheater count is exactly the same.
Thats not even including the hundreds of people, if not more, that were falsely banned.
Next day, you mean next raid. They all have multiple accounts.
Maybe, but making cheating as expensive and difficult is the whole point of banning people. If they keep this up it is going to be more and more expensive for cheaters to maintain their cheating.
They have to Hardware Bann them. So they never can get back on to eft as long as they dont buy a New pc.
@@Momo14198 OR they just charge an extra dollar on the price. The history of the world will tell you the latter is much much more likely.
I remember I followed this advice to go play something else a year ago. Never been better :D
Especially seeing current state of cheaters in-game and a lot of some basic fps features missing as well...
Factory was mostly free of cheaters until last week, not even hiding it. Killed my buddy in glass hallway from office and I was down by basement extract. Guy yelled my gamer tag and said "FYI Im cheating so IDK where you think you're going" and killed me in extract.
Watching these Pestily community update videos is like watching 'State Sponsored News Channels' in countries like Russia lmao. He's always running PR for BSG. He is never too critical and never actually does any investigative gaming jouirnalism himself to bring any issues to light. He is a pro-establishment creator... besides that he's a pretty chill dude and I don't have any other problems with him. I just wish all of the major Tarkov creators would keep BSG's ass on the fire year round as opposed to whenever smaller creators do all of the work and expose the game for the shit show it is.
Don't need to look to Russia for crap like that. Western MSM are as bad.
He used to deny pretty hard the reality about cheaters. And blame on us, the people who were complaining.
@@averegeyoutuber9133in his defense I did the same thing. I took accountability for my lack of skil rather than point a cheating finger. I rarely had moments where I thought someone was blatantly hacking and I told people to stop whining and git gud.
That video opened my eyes up a lot
I have been saying RMT via the flea was the biggest draw for cheaters. A strict flea will eliminate a ton of cheaters. I still think step two is an anti cheat. @pestily what do you think are some “smaller” changes that they could implement to continue to improve this?
3 types of cheaters:
RMT farmers
RAGE winners
Advantaged casuals
RMT is usually easy to figure out based on their trading history, boss kill counts, etc. Hard to prove without hard captures of them watching things through walls or if they use aimbot etc. to kill bosses/other players.
RAGE players always get caught, they get manually reported enough they don't last long till they roll a new account.
Casuals are the ones who use esp/radars and have a lot of information "we" don't have and sure they might slip up and get caught looking through walls etc. but they tend to not be aimbotting just using a small cheat to get that advantage on other players to help them be on top. They will still lose some fights so very hard to catch them without a detected hack.
Detecting hacks themselves is getting harder and harder, average hacks get detected pretty quick but "good" hacks run on separate hardware devices and are near impossible to detect.
I used to run a flea market bot, and yes even after FIR, but my competition died off after FIR, most of the sellers that used to flea bot changed their strategy to cheating on Labs. The best solution might be to just let bots run flea again, as it didn’t impact players except for lowball offers on flea
I damn near fell outta bed when you said "I'm gonna try n get kappa in 5 days."
I give yall props for hangin with BSG man
I like how Christmas is still alive in Pestily's house. You can still see the Christmas tree in the background. Keeps my Xmas spirit going
The recording from Dyl's perspective looked really rough, like there wasn't enough time to actually eye someone in the room. Idk if that's because of desync or whatever, but I can only assume there's something in the way preventing showing there being enough time to notice the other guy in the room before the hose-down.
Hey Pestily. As someone who is in the top percent of a percent as far as time played, do you think this cheater stuff is overblown?
How badly do you feel it affects you game to game? Thanks a bunch if you could let me know.
If you take an item into raid that can't be dropped, like a key, and have it in your backpack when you die, does the item vanish?
Damn, now it’s getting to a point to if you’re CRACKED you have to record your game play so you don’t get banned or get yourself unbanned.
Record your perspective from a webcam behind you looking at your monitor, not a screen capture, you can still cheat with a screen capture lol
banning cheaters is not going to stop them from cheating with new accounts. You need to have a proper anti cheat that blocks 90% of cheats before they are even used. What they have done so far has very little to no effect at all on the state of the game.
Unrealistic thinking
Agreed, just use an anticheat like valorant
@@noclipp vanguard doesnt do much of anything either, just as easy to bypass as be or eac
The thing is BE is one of the only established (and half decent) anticheats on the market. The only other being EAC. Because of this, cheat devs have literal years of development experience with BE. Someone like me who has created a cheat for games like csgo (for the fun/challenge of coding) couldnt even think about creating a bypass for BE. Its not possible for them to get something like Vanguard as that was literally built for and around valo, and its also not for sale.
fills their pockets this way, an anti cheat wouldn't...
Evasion armband is everywhere this wipe
Here's hoping these and future changes can get the problems under control.
New player the more raids I do the worse it feels I spawned into labs moved into a random corner 6 minutes in someone rounds the corner looking dead at me crouched behind a box 1 tap head eyes I can't see a way to make meaningful improvements to my own gameplay when it's like this soo many of my engagements are sus it's ruined it
The game is rigged against you. With the way the things are right now you stand no chance to survive a single raid unless they let you survive. I got over 4k hours and I quit beginning of this wipe
@@scottykillmore7549 yea I have a big problem with finding a game that's very hard or has a high skill ceiling to dump in the usual degenerate 10k hours overtime but it feels soo greasy like I'm the one guy who's not on the juice
what bsg will change? nothing.
Yuup, BSG is washed up. I dont have any faith in them anymore.
Ah, not true. Soon ™, the game will have been in an unfinished beta state for SEVEN years.
Nothing else.
If the key card is in the RMT guys bag and you kill him then you can just loot it off them. Right?
It's nice to see BSG actually taking some action, but I'm still not at all sold. I won't be playing the game for a while, and most of the people I played with feel similarly. Until anticheat and server performance are more seriously addressed every death on my PMC is questionable, because I simply don't know who has ESP and who doesn't. I'm still unconvinced that BSG is really going to spend the time and resources necessary to fix the issue.
Well said and 100% correct. They're not as concerned as they need to be and they won't spend those resources.
Taking some action by copy pasting the same response for the 3rd time?
these flea market changes might make cheaters worse, i mean like you said if you buy an item and now they need to just farm the map with you they will just wipe the lobby right? 100s of times like u said for 1 card
"come back after 3-6-12 months"
in the 2 years I've been away, the problems have only gotten worse
it isn't enough to bring me back. I hope they continue, but they've lost a ton of players that have quietly quit and a handful of us have been vocal before we hung it up.... i think 40% of the player base have left.
the 40% who aren't cheating, yep
Thank god, it was exhausting to play on full servers every time after server merge. I got to lvl 27 in first few weeks and went hibernating, started playing again a week ago and at least it feels not compressed or rushed now in raid, well, for me.
@@rallydee2763 copium much?
I haven't played in weeks. Don't really miss it that much. I'll come back if they make some serious progress. Until then they can fuck off.
@@jacobgreenhalgh4257 I'm happy for you.
How's the desync and binaural coming along? Is it fixed in all the maps? Invisibility glitch? Random disconnects? Memory leaks? Poor optimization? Derelict community support? No?
It's easy to appease the sheep with a 4 year old copy pasta.
Some of us grow up and move on... Others waddle in stagnant ponds.
Never seen a game trying to keep its head above the water so much as this. Yea it's playable and I just can't see it getting over the finish line without top streamers.
Know a tarkov cheat developer personally. He said the game is laughably easy to cheat in. Well, maybe invest your money from the alpha/beta sales back then into anticheat. The other game they made "Contract Wars" now called "Hired Ops" also uses their Saberclaw Anticheat, which doesn't even detect Cheatengine....
I use barter flea market trades because the taxes on some of the weapon parts are insane. 6" vector barrel isn't even needed for gunsmith and is easy to find, but putting it up for 150k is like 80k in taxes.
I'm surprised it took this long. I quit tarkov a year ago. I only wonder how it took others this long.
They save these changes for these scandals for damage control. Normal BSG stuff, have been doing that since day 1
The cheating is absolutely out of control right now. Ive noticed a massive influx of cheaters. Its to the point where i dont even take in gear i want to because 3/5 raids im getting fucked up by a cheater. I dont blow smoke, i rarely haccusate, but when its obvious, its obvious. To that point i have encounter 2-3 cheaters every play session, which is about 4-6 hours for me. I have to constantly think "well if i take this in im for sure getting targeted" and that is absolutely horrendous, its killing my morale for the game and im a die hard tarky fan. I boast about it, i get new people to play the game, i persist through the cheaters because this game is the pinnacle of FPS. Hours spent for roubles, gear and guns to painstakingly lose it to a naked guy with a bank robber and an AKMS. We have to get this taken care of.
@Sterling Archer if your death doesnt seem suspicious, it doesnt mean it wasnt a cheater. That is the thing. Most of these cheaters hide their ESP and play carefully. It might seem that they heard you, got lucky with aim, outplayed you - but in reality, they have ESP and knew where you were all along. They are just smart enough not to shoot through walls.
@Sterling Archer " I promise you that you are not dying to 2-3 cheaters in every raid"
Source: trust me, bro
@Sterling Archer can you even read lmao
They wont come for you. They are not raging. Of course they would try to stay away OR play it cool like they are legit.
I'm gonna say it once again if you dont understand: EVEN IF the death is not suspicious, it doesnt mean it wasnt a hacker. He might have played it cool and made it look fine.
Why the fuck should I know about your rouble count? I've had 10+ mil last week before I stopped playing. Now I dont give a fuck about this game. Are you okay with 60% of raids having a cheater in them? Then you are a cuck lmao
@Sterling Archer I think you are trolling. I cant believe a man can be that stupid. If you are serious, please seek help. It is not funny
@Sterling Archer I've been playing games online for 30 years. Games without many cheaters always feel much more chill, and as if you actually have a chance. In Tarkov there's for some reason very many absolute cracks who seemingly can't miss at all and know exactly where you are, even with all the mechanics that make it harder to aim well and the crappy sound. That's simply not normal. Period.
I've seen streamers prefire on maps they didn't even know for a few hours (Streets). Hacking is totally common in this game.
3:45 absolutely agree. Player barter trading when it was introduced absolutely crashed the economy for this game. It became less about scavenging for loot and more about ratting it up for roubles
i actually came back after the large ban wave and idk it felt different i wasn't having nearly as many iffy deaths and the ones i was having i really could just chuck up to "well maybe he's really good or there was some lag " sure im still having my very fair share of possible cheaters but its starting to feel like i can deal with it again and i like that
Give it a week, they need to rebuy.
That incorrect ban is what happens if you don't keep movemen server side, movement is unresponsive already, they might as well just keep it server side, no client side extrapolation. Looks like you can just make a lag script to have the advantage always (You can get apps to simulate bad connections).
I remember Red Orchestra 2 launched with server side movement and aiming. It was a nightmare. Had to aim several seconds ahead of someone far away, about 1 to two seconds up close.
With these huge maps and so many objects it would be a bad idea. Servers are already unstable, making everything server side would probably make the game unplayable.
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@@akaroth7542
The problem with "Red Orchestra" and related games is that they're primarily community-hosted for the most part. Therefore optimization networking-wise cannot be guaranteed to be stable.
"Authoritative Servers - Dumb Clients"-architecture really only works on more centralized-hosting, which pretty much has to be done by the devs themselves.
Done properly, you'd really only have problems in extremely pings / latencies.
"Heroes & Generals (1)" and "Drunken Wrestlers 2" are two fast-paced action-titles which had this architecture properly implemented.
Then there are of course all the slower-paced-games where this architecture is pretty much a no-brainer, something like say "Entropia Universe" that also has the "One World"-architecture to eliminate "shards" and manual-server-selections
( and especially server plus region-locking accounts and characters ).
Special mention to "Firefall (the year-2013-non-"release"-version)" which also allowed "server / lobby-hopping" especially with the "BOING!"-addon (by "vDepth").
(( As for "Guild Wars"-games, I am uncertain if it used the "AS-DC"-architecture. But it certainly has very ahead it's time to allow server-hopping with same account. ))
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@@PaveMentman ah...so it has to be optimized by the devs...BSG...k
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@@akaroth7542
Well, "Escape From Tarkov" is a
"Centralized Economy"-game after all so in this regard only Battlestate Games would be doing the server-side and other optimizations in the (suggested proper) architecture also:
It's certainly nothing like say "Killing Floor"-games with "whitelist"-servers
( I.E. the servers where they only use maps and mods that abide the rules to allow normal-account progression;
otherwise they are "sandbox"-servers where all progression and achievements are disabled.
It's the same-kinda-thing in E.G.
"Deep Rock Galactic" (a listen-server-game) where you have
"Verified (cosmetics);
Approved (houserules, addons, and only makes achiements disabled);
Sandbox (separate-save-file)"-mods.
Currently in EFT there only is the player-matchmaking per "raid".
And the
"(Online) Flea Market" where the centralized-structure really is needed
But there are slew of feature-concepts they have been throwing around in relation to "living world" like bounties that are linked to "PMC Karma".
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What does it matter if cheaters are banned now mid wipe? The largest amount of damage has always been early wipe. BSG will never truly care about the cheating problem because they profit extensively from cheaters.
They honestly just need to have a key trader so we can actually buy them or barter for them would make the game so much better
Couldnt the RMT or whatever just sell it to you with small amounts of rubbles? Or am I missing something
Can I say, before having watched your video completely; cheaters is why I stopped playing Tarkov. For a noob like myself the stakes are so high with every raid without the added risk of cheaters. Bugs, audio and net code make this game unpredictable to a level I'm not entirely comfortable with, and with cheaters on top make for an experience where I had more bad days than good. I play games for fun and if I'm not having fun then I won't play it. I really hope this game becomes reliable and cheater free, because I really do love the gameplay when it works
No FPS competitive game will ever be free of cheaters, it's something you have to understand. Try playing any of the current competitive shooters in a higher rank and you'll understand how bad it really is. Tarkov is tame compared to others.
@@BalthazarB2 i wouldn’t exactly say its tame, but for the most part ur spot on. Cheaters are in every single game on pc, it is sadly a fact
@@F0R3C4ST It's what my personal experience has been. Out of all games I've played, I've faced cheaters in Tarkov the least.
@@BalthazarB2 Complete opposite for me and most everyone else. Are we playing the same game?
@@BalthazarB2 You're right mate, there's cheaters everywhere. 500hrs in Arma 3, 1500 in DayZ, a few hundred here and there in Insurgency and Insurgency Sandstorm, Battlefield and Call of Duty I would say I've experienced all kinds of bugs and cheaters and I've never experienced more PER GAME than Tarkov. Obviously experiences may vary, and being in the oceanic region may have an effect on that, but I have had a VERY bad experience and I don't think I'll be back for some time.
This won’t kill rmt, they’ll just sell accounts with high tier items instead of the items themselves.
it will reduce the rmt traffic though? it is a constant battle
@@bezgin7577 they should fix desync, the amount of cheating, and memory leaks before they even do anything about rmt.
@@Joker-no1fz ye but those are more expensive to solve I guess.. desync = low tickrates > high tickrates = more expensive servers.. same with hiring more people to put more manhours into solving coding issues
@@bezgin7577 the market will just shift. a fresh tarkov key can be as low as $20, which isn't much if your goal is to pay your way to high tier items. Plus you can resell the account next wipe. If they really want to do anything, they have to figure out a way where it is not worth it for anyone to participate in rmt. Things no one would like, like making the game more expensive, and making high tier items easy to get. Because as long as accounts are cheap enough to be disposable, and items are hard to aquire, there will be rmt, and there will be cheaters participating in rmt. Selling accounts with the items already on them will be the next natural step.
@@bezgin7577 i never had desync in any other fps that was near as bad as tarkov so its definitely fixable. same with the other problems.
happy to see the devs care, big W for the future of tarkov
>devs care
Lol, lmao even
will you put the 5day 2 kappa on youtube?
The cheaters seem to be part of BSG business model.
About the "(un)banning with video evidence" thing: its not just a bad idea to ban someone because of a video clip, but its just as bad an idea to unban someone. Not sure about BattleEye, but at least in CSS/CSGO there were fakelag hacks that made simply gave you a "peekers advantage". If theres something like this in EFT then we couldnt tell at all from the 1st person perspective whats happening.
The only solution to this is BSG finally fixing the horrible desync problems. Because in general such issues lead to suspicions, loss of trust and frustration among the player base which can hurt even the best multiplayer games out there.
Yup lagswitches are another thing the community doesn't want to talk about.
@@danny7694 they work in this game?
That would be horrible, because dedicated servers should prevent that very effectively. Normally it's only ever possible in P2P netcodes.
Seeing the rubberbanding happening when you get lag actually means that lag switches shouldn't work, since as soon as the connection gets severed you warp back to the point where you were before.
So do you have any proof?
I just love the auto-generated subtitles
"Hi guys this is pastorian (...) "
about the key dropping topic. What if someone is carrying keys in himself and get killed and looted. Are the keys and the cards going to vanish or the person who is looting will be able to retrieve it?
These items just should not be this rare if we have wipes. If there were no wipes, sure make them super rare but in 3 years, I never found a color keycard period. The closest I got is Sanitar's card. And I ended each wipe on 600-700 raids, which is easily 500 hours of game time, and to top it off - two wipes I was running shoreline as I got lucky with keys in the early days of wipe, trying to farm the cards. Probably helped a lot of fellas with Chemical...
At over 1200 hours here and also never found a color keycard despite chasing the spawn locations hard at times.
Found my first one on shturman after 2500hrs. I quit the game just before the cheating scandal
Luke from LTT had a great recommendation. Once the match is completely over, make it so that the match can be watched afterwards. CS:GO has a very similar system.
Also, banning is going to not be enough. They need better anti-cheat. What ya missed in the interview was that it's laughably easy to get through the current anti-cheat
lol bro you are not saying ANYTHING new that people haven't been saying since 2018 jfc
@@johnsutphin9400 and that's the problem genius, this is by design. They ban cheaters, cheaters buy new accounts, profit.
In Nikita’s Reddit AMA he was asked this exact question and said they would not be implementing this feature due to complexity
You should look up how long it took valve to implement their whole replay and overwatch systems and refine them to a point that they were effective anti-cheat measures. Its very easy to just post 'lol do replay so no cheat' and feel like you said something important though, so good on ya.
I love this recap
i sometimes used to put an IFAK up for sale with like 27hp left on it for full price and feel like an absolute lunatic when it sold full price
My opinion about these is the following: Do you think that people, seeing that the game has gone to a place where everything is difficult to achieve, have used a roadblock to play? so many streamers complaining that the game is easy, they have made it impossible for the vast majority - so - since you have the whole day off - you can progress because you are 6 or 8 hours playing when the rest of the world with real responsibilities cannot to do that - I think this has brought the game to a place where many are looking for the easy way -
LOL...... Just follow the money....... Pretty sure youtubers and streamers have a much bigger 'urge' to perform well and cheat in games.
For people who don't have alot of time....... Many other games available that don't need you to invest time in.
@@JonesBeiges bro spending all your time commenting on youtube comment threads. Your life must be exciting.
The wildest bit about the dylhero situation is that the clip it was all based on was bloody obvious it was desync/weird interaction of his model with the door frame. Wild.
its like people dont know that what you see and the other person / server sees isnt always the same xD
they need to play more ARMA or Battlefield so they can experience it
bro i cant get over the bans they hand out based on a POV NOT FROM THE SUSPECT.....
it is insane to me that the dylhero clip even got the go ahead to send to bsg, the people reviewing these clips were supposedly tarkov veterans with thousands of hours played.... this kinda stuff proves otherwise and is really dissapointing.
@@olgierd2001 100% dude. People need a afternoon of playing old counter strike on a dial up modem 😂