Why this $30,000 Paint Job is WORTH it!
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- I said good-bye to my Silver Baby… And picked up a Yellow Piece of Art!
This Flight Chops episode shares the whole Behind the Scenes process of what goes into the best paint jobs in General #Aviation !
This Airplane does NOT deserve to look this good!
- That's one of Jonathan's trade mark jokes, but it is true! - Evoke fixed a lot of little boo-boos I assumed we'd have to live with. It is truly amazing work, and it totally exceeded my expectations of having an "honorary Yellow Bird" scheme to fit in with the warbird trainer fleet.
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If you’re looking to get the best paint job for your Van’s Aircraft, definitely hit them up!
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More insights Jonathan added while replying to comments after this was published:
"Our design team is well versed in helping builders with their design process and finding a suitable paint shop that meets the requirements of your project. Our design team will work with you to create a unique design, select colors, help with interior color selections, and find a paint shop (or assist if you want to paint yourself). We provide design specs and paint masks or stencils as shown to help with your paint layout and it's very affordable at a flat rate of $1600 for that service. Plus you get me as a phone a friend when you need some quick tips! Our design team designs all aircraft types, not just for what we paint. We only paint about 1 out of every 15 we design. "
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The level of craftsmanship by the prep/paint crew is astonishing.
For sure!
Thank you so much and thank you for watching!
This is Justin from Evoke. Glad we could make your plane exceed your expectations for the paint job.
You pay for amazing work once, you pay for sub-par work multiple times.
Exactly!
I tell people this all the time. :)
@@EvokeAviation Good.
Wow! Those planes definitely do not look like homebuilts. They are gorgeous! The sound is amazing! Looks and sounds like a professional aerobatic plane.
This gives you some idea of what Oshkosh judges look for... but a fancy paint job won't fool the judges if the plane isn't first rate.
Judging gets more competitive every year, you've got to bring the best of the best across the board now to win anything, especially at Oshkosh.
Jonathan and his team have now done two of our homebuilt airplanes. The first (five years ago) still looks as good as the day it left Gadsden. The other (two months ago) is an order of magnitude better than the first. I didn’t think it was possible, but the Evoke team just keeps getting better and better. The novelty of seeing the plane(s) just never wears off. Frankly, that feeling is priceless.
Jonathan does top tier work ! He’s a perfectionist and has been the 20+ years I’ve known him. They do spectacular work there.
I stopped into the museum a few weeks ago and had the chance to lay eyes on this plane. The video does not do it justice! Spectacular almost sums it up!
You probably noticed the missing wheel pant 😂 - It's been shipped back to Evoke for repair over the winter.
I appreciate the education about all of the prep work needed to make the paint look its best! Still... I do love a polished aluminum aircraft! There's an F-86 Sabre (NX188RL) in the Chicago area that always impresses me with its shine, and the restored B-29 Doc seems to have a few square miles of polished aluminum that gleams in the sun. It might be fun to document the steps and effort required to maintain this sort of finish.
Good idea, yeah - I'll do a thing explaining specifically why I'd never want a polished airplane 🤓
Absolutely stunning looking aircraft. Congratulations to you and all the artists that worked on your planes
Saw the plane at Oshkosh - It's certainly a sweet looking paint-job!
👊 Thanks for stopping by at the show! 👍
I have begged Johnathan to paint my rare Aerobatic Bonanza but won't touch anymore certified airplanes. RV's and they're sheet metal (flush rivets) are way better to paint than a plane with a bunch of rivets sticking up. This video certainly shows his quality, absolutely beautiful airplanes, congratulations!
Evoke has established itself as one of the very best aircraft paint shops in the country, if not the world. Jonathan's enthusiasm is contagious; it's good to love your work especially something as demanding as show quality paint. I wondered if you had any paint codes from the CAM fleet, but bringing swatches home was even better. I'll never forget the first official big reveal at Windsor just before OSH... and how I almost scooped you on the OSH reveal! That was very cool "taxi flight" in the Piper M600. And I'd forgotten that Jason Seavolt's RV-8 was at Evoke at the same time as the RV-14; always a good surprise to see a friend's airplane in a video. I promise not to look for the flaws the next time I see the airplane. My airplane wasn't quite finished (they never are) when I sold it, but I still take pride in the paint job I did on it. Flawed? Yes. Many. You better believe it. But I managed to create the paint scheme I'd dreamed of for decades without resorting to any decals, and that will always feel pretty cool. And in a few more months I'll have an accurate model of it, including the cockpit. Stay Tuned!
Right on! I'm looking forward to seeing that model.
This craftsmanship is stunning. Having back in1997 had a cheapo shop paint our group-owned182, we had to live with the consequences for 21 years until we could afford a decent job. After a few years the red stripes had started fading to pink and we found that the stripes were at different heights on each side of the aircraft! The difference when we had a far better company paint the aircraft was amazing - since 1997 UV resistant lacquers have appeared and the paint shop we employed in 2019 was selected because they mainly paint bizjets whose customers will accept nothing less than the best. A super paint job is not cheap but I m sure that part of its cost will be added to the value of the aircraft when you eventually resell and meanwhile, it'll look fantastic on the ramp wherever you go. .
No an Evoke job but I got to see one of similar quality recently. There is some amount of difference between the paint + decals and the fully butted paint with properly done clear coat. Especially on a bright sunny day, just having such a clean shine is unbelievable.
All I can say is WOW! Those two airplanes are just drop dead gorgeous! Jonathan at Evoke is such a class act and a model for small businessmen in any field of work. I spent 4 days at Oshkosh this year recording 8 hours/day, I could kick myself for not stopping by to get a look at C-FCGA in person.
I really appreciate that! Great news is we'll have plenty of work to show off at Oshkosh 24' and a booth of our own you can check out!
@@EvokeAviation Well deserved. I’ll be sure to stop by the Evoke booth. See you at Oshkosh!
See you there!@@visibilityunlimitedmedia
Top level work! Worth It? U get what u pay for, and in this case quality eeks all over the planes!! Super Nice!
wow speechless the amount of work to get that orange peel out Is monumental I know bc I've done it. great job evoke
Thank you! Nothing a little sanding, buffing, and a long few days can't handle!
With all the money that is spent on the interior of aircraft (avionics, finishings, etc..) It only makes sense to protect the exterior just as well. This will go a long way to protecting what's inside. Plus the new paint job just looks cool 😎
Wow, gorgeous airplanes and incredible workmanship!
Thank you, we do our best!
Lexington Approach… that’s my field. Love hearing that.
Steve, I agree, I Saw your Plane and inspected the paint job at OSH, WOW ! it's like they poured Glass over the plane, it is GORGEOUS ! That AT-6 Yellow is my favorite color !!
Hey Steve just caught this video right after it went live! Wanted to say that a while back you posted a video with Elliot Seguin and it was awesome.
You actually caught my late father in law in his glasair 291KT in some pretty good knife fights with Elliot at Reno, and when I saw it I got quite choked up.
Thanks for everything you do, you’re the man!
Thanks - And sorry for your loss there.
It's a privilege to be able to connect with great people in aviation and help tell their stories!
Hi from the UK. I always learn so much from your channel. You plan looks amazing. Thanks for sharing.
Congrats Chops! The build has been a long and wonderful ride / flight that I've been watching since day one. I'm so glad you decided to tackle the project. I hope that I can follow in you footsteps... Maybe.... Someday.... Outstanding paint scheme and tribute man!
That's a top-tier job. So nice. Have you considered adding a ceramic coat on top? I did that on my car, and it makes washing a lot easier.
Yes, I just need to sort out the logistics to get a ceramic coating done - I'd like to do it this spring.
Money well spent, and worth every nickle.
That is one gorgeous aircract, Steve!
Thanks! 👊
Pricey yes - but, easier to appreciate when seeing all the work involved.... impressive outfit and facility. As I think I commented soon after the paint job - amazing! That is one beautiful plane Steve.
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Buy once, cry once. Can’t wait to start my rv7a build
Right on! Please report back about the progress of your RV-7a
The amount of time and effort that goes into something like that is insane. Artists is a good word to describe the crafts people that make paint jobs like that come to life.
Thank you, we put a lot of effort into paint (sometimes probably too much!) Now if we can just make sure Steve keeps the bugs cleaned off of it!
I used to think these $30 paint jobs were just pure evil. Now I get it. My Cheetah was painted in 2005 with the N# removed from the three colored strips (a lot of work) and it has held up extremely well after nearly 3000 hours and 19 years on it BUT for only $5200! A whole four seat airplane! We had some restoration work and ceramic coating applied a few years back for $2k. She is so pretty for a 47 year old bird. Thanks Steve.
It costs us an average of 10k just for paint and materials for one small plane today, it's crazy how much costs have changed! Thank you for watching!
The grey and silver looked pretty good, but the painted finish is _astounding_.
Fully agreed
Ive only got one word, WOW!
that is now a top end quality competition aircraft.
well done!
can't wait to see it practicing.
I'll fly a couple competitions again in 2024 for sure.
I know for sure to get a great rattle can paint job like that takes a Lots-o-Work ! ......and that job looks fantastic ! Perfect color ! NICE LOOKING PLANE !😁
I remember when you announced the yellow color and thought that was just awful. But I was very wrong, as that livery is really amazing... and for that matter, that paint shop is amazing. You get what you pay for!
That's awesome! Thanks for coming back to share your thoughts on that.
I knew it was a risky choice, but I had faith we could pull it off with the right design and execution 👊👍
That yellow will grow on you after a while! Thank you for watching!
That's a gorgeous paint job!
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Beautiful is an understatement!💕🇨🇦
Thanks Jimmy - and I appreciate you being a long time subscriber!
This was a terrific episode. The walk through till the reveal with excellent editing. Great job 👏
I struggled with how to make this a single episode - it really could have been two, with the drop off and pick ups being separate - but the way CZcams works, I knew that was a risky strategy - Glad you enjoyed it as one!
@@FlightChops you’re putting in a lot of work and it shows. From 10 years ago to now. I can only guess how big your library is by now ✅
Good for this young man ! I think he has pride in his business - Excellent .
I've been so excited to see this episode come out! The shade of yellow and the accents make it one of my favourite GA planes around. Great job Steve and Evoke!
Thanks yeah, I'm stoked with how that original vision came together!
Thank you!
Evoke does stunning work!! Great video Steve!
Yeah, I think it is safe to say they are the best.
I'm humbled by how kind and complimentary everyone has been, thank you for watching and for the kind words.
That paint job is "SuperDave" approved, great work Jonathan!
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Howdy Super Dave! Thanks for watching, thank you!
What a beautiful paint job! I so it at AirVenture and it is spectacular!
Thanks for stopping by at the show!
Congrats on your success . A testament to the American dream.
Thank you! (but please note, I'm a Canadian 😉🇨🇦👍)
phenomenal
Great video, Steve. I wish Evoke did more than just experimental planes. The video feels personal with Tony and Glen making cameos. Tony is my hangar neighbour, and I met Glen when I was stuck in Windsor and he was telling me about his build.
Right on! It is cool to see you making use of that instrument rating!
I wish we could paint ALL of the planes but we have to stay focused as to not lose track of our quality control.
@@EvokeAviationMakes sense, I completely understand. Just too bad, that's all. :)
Beautiful bird. Such impressive work.
Just fantastic
Amazing result
I think so too!
Beautiful!
Thank you! Cheers!
I'd never think I would call a $30,000 paint job reasonable...but at the reveal I was thinking that he needs a $5,000 tip on top of the price.
Right?!
It's not too late. ;)
we will see you again this year.
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if that don't make you smile nuthin' will
Stunning work!
Thanks yeah - it has been a wild ride to see it turn out so well.
This is more than a paint job. Worth ever penny.
I'm going to put this on a t-shirt! Thank you!
@@EvokeAviation If you do, can you do one for me too? I have RV-14 tastes but an RV-12 budget, so will live my RV-14 dreams vicariously through others until my kids are out of college.
I love your yellow paint job, and I saw these people at Oshkosh. They really are amazing.
I bet having the conversation at 4:29, when he talks about putting 320 grid sandpaper on your polish job must twinge *just* a touch. 😛
Haha - nah - I had total trust in the team there - I knew they'd make it awesome.
We always make sure the customer doesn't have to watch this happen to their own airplane.
@@EvokeAviation I think that's an *excellent* customer management philosphy.
worth every penny
I was wondering how I missed the paint job. Looks incredible. Congrats.
Thanks 👍
Great Paint Job! Looks great Steve. 😎👍😲
Thanks 👍
I'd be more inclinded to call ti "community" built, something that I'd say in some ways is even more impressive, so many hands working on one plane and getting it turning out good! ;)
Sure yeah, I'm pretty clear at every opportunity to make it clear this was not a solo build project.
Awesome. Will the plane need a new official empty weight for the documents?
Yes, and an interesting aspect: the CG moved back slightly as most of the added weight from the paint was in the tail.
@@FlightChopsI was wondering about the CofG. Thanks for the explanation.
What a great video. Gorgeous result!
Thank you! Cheers!
Wow
I personally preferred the polished look, but the paint job is immaculate.
I was not really able to polish it well after getting the vinyl logos on it, (even working around the tail number letters was next to impossible) so it was not sustainable to keep it that way.
Love
Outstanding results on the paint!
Thank you very much!
Beautiful!😘
Thank you! Cheers!
This is a hell of a lot more than a paint job ! So. $$$ = nice
You bought a kit, had a team of experienced builders assist you in assembling that kit, hired the upholstery out, bought a drop-in instrument panel, and had a team of experts prep and paint it... you're right "It's hard to believe it's a homebuilt."
Thanks for following the whole story, and for watching this one to the very end 👍
Did you do a before/after weighing? Just curious if the paint adds pounds? tens of pounds? tenths of pounds?
Ha, he gives the weight addition in the video: 24-26 lbs. Should have watched all the way through before posting!
What was the final amount of work hours they put into the paint job? If it's really in the 500-600 hour range said in the video, that makes for a pretty cheap hourly rate if the final price was just $30,000. (I would have assumed AT LEAST double for such a professional job.)
Good question - I know Jonathan operates with VERY tight margins.
I know the RV-10 they just did for us was over 1000 hours of labor. The airplane is stunning and I am beyond thrilled with how it turned out.
It's something like 80-90% of paint work is the prep. Just about any monkey can spray paint, it takes skill to set it up and finish it
We have a bunch of monkeys doing all of it! lol.
It looks great. I may have missed it in your video, how long did it take?
Yeah - I covered the rough time line around the ~12:30 mark in the video.
My 14 is all on order and on the way to Ireland. I intend to paint it myself, having had some experience with painting cars. Not sure I’ll match yours though…
Right on. But do follow Jonathan’s advice to fly 80-100 hours before paint.
Our amazing design team works with builders who paint their own planes. We help with the design process and can provide you with the same stencils we use to paint our own planes. Happy to help when you're ready for paint.
@@FlightChops I had not realised the 80 hours made an appreciable difference...
@@EvokeAviation Thankyou Jonathan, I've a way to go...
Really nice it is show quality, be careful with that! I would like to know what paint and primer type was used? Is it water based?
Is the following correct? Alclad layer on the skin is destroyed in places by the 320-grit sanding, but this is more-or-less compensated for from a corrosion-resistance point of view by the alodining step (and the paint itself)? Great looking result on both planes!
The alclad layer is not the safest bet for protecting the airplane from corrosion for the long term. Lots of scratches and marring from the build in addition to contaminants from flying the airplane will erode the alclad layer. We sand the surface not to remove the alclad but to remove contaminants and give ourselves a mechanical scratch on the aluminum for better adhesion to the paint. After the surface is sanded we acid etch as a final step to ensure a perfectly clean surface, then apply Alodine which acts as the fresh layer of corrosion protection. Epoxy primer is applied within 48 hours after Alodine coating for best adhesion!
@@EvokeAviation Thanks for that.
This is the kind of aviation I want to be involved with. Wasting my talents working on fire suppression aircraft
Yeah what we do is fun, but being a part of the fire suppression world is a serious contribution to society, so I've got respect for whatever you do to be a part of that.
At the UPS auto shop , some guys would call me “ Bondo Bob” . Repairing a hole in roof -
Not at all my specialty …. O Dear -
You pay for quality once.
Did Evoke recommend any coatings or waxes, sealants ?
They have a line of products that they recommend - you can find them on their website (link in description). I am also planning to go to a specialist to get a ceramic coating done this spring.
Ceramics are the way to go now a days. Put on my car and way less upkeep and washes are easier. Plus the gloss and water beading is superb
@@FlightChops
30k U.S.? How does the tax thing work with a purchase like this?
You have to "import it" just like any other purchase.
If oil is run hot it should be changed + filter of course - Start over $
Hey Steve, probably asked already, but being a fellow Canadian, 30k CAD or US?
You’re the first to ask actually - I should have clarified in the video, but yeah, it’s USD
@@FlightChops Thanks for the prompt reply Steve. Keep on enjoying that beautiful bird.
Steve, I don’t think you said if you actually picked up any speed with the paint job. Any difference?
Yes, I think we gained a few knots as Jonathan suggested we would.
What about the alclad? It isn't there for no reason.
Someone else asked about in the comments below - here's Jonathan's reply:
"The alclad layer is not the safest bet for protecting the airplane from corrosion for the long term. Lots of scratches and marring from the build in addition to contaminants from flying the airplane will erode the alclad layer. We sand the surface not to remove the alclad but to remove contaminants and give ourselves a mechanical scratch on the aluminum for better adhesion to the paint. After the surface is sanded we acid etch as a final step to ensure a perfectly clean surface, then apply Alodine which acts as the fresh layer of corrosion protection. Epoxy primer is applied within 48 hours after Alodine coating for best adhesion!"
30k is an engine or nice new set of avionics. I think I'll keep my bare metal look
Totally fair. For me it wasn't an option due to how many logos I have on the plane. They are impossible to polish around; also, the big upfront cost does tend to increase resale value, and thus it is likely to be a solid ROI.
Gain a couple of knots for 26lbs is not a bad trade?
It ended up being just over 30 lbs gained, and the CG moved back a bit, but well worth it.
I get it. But I don't get it. That kind of expenditure on paint is just obscene.
So here's the thing... Fair enough... but it is absolutely an investment that increases the value of the aircraft such that you'll see a solid ROI upon selling.
you clearly have no idea about the hours involved.
Is it 30k US or Can!?
I should have clarified that this is USD
There is no way that paint job should cost $30,000.00!
And yet there’s currently a multi year waiting list to get into that shop. 🤷
@@FlightChops Some people have a lot more money than most of the people who build experimental aircraft.. IE An owner pulls up in his 3.5 million dollar M600. I prefer builders who do all the work themselves.
What about if they have money AND brains? (Tony is building his RV-14 alone)... And Glenn is a retired CEO that also built his RV-14 alone. The only person in this video that didn't build their plane alone is me - I don't have money or brains. 🤡
Yep, that paint job should cost even more. The value you get from Evoke is off the charts. They put in over 1000 person-hours prepping and painting my RV-10. I put in over 4000 hours building it. Im not a painter and there is no way I was going to have a 50 foot (or even 10 foot) paint job. It’s really no different than a high end car build - you want show quality paint on your show quality build and these folks deliver.
I'm sure Evoke will be just fine without my $30K for my RV-14 paint job. I won't have any sponsors, so I'll go with what I can afford.
I didn't mean to alienate anyone with this video.
But yeah, I put a TON of time and effort into making the aviation content, so Sponsors are required or it doesn't happen. I'm sure if you're spending that same time and energy into your job and build project, you're going to end up with an excellent RV-14.
Don't count us out completely! Our design team is well versed in helping builders with their design process and finding a suitable paint shop that meets the requirements of your project. Our design team will work with you to create a unique design, select colors, help with interior color selections, and find a paint shop (or assist if you want to paint yourself). We provide design specs and paint masks or stencils as shown to help with your paint layout and it's very affordable at a flat rate of $1600 for that service. Plus you get me as a phone a friend when you need some quick tips!
$30 grand? Someone got ripped off
Not really looks awesome!!
Insult
NO Not worth it!