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I believe the crop tool is a key part of the editing process. Sometimes when out on a shoot you will not see the better composition until you get the image on the screen and apply the crop tool to give it the final tweak. Yes, if we lived in the perfect world we would get the composition right first time in camera. As we don't live in the perfect world the crop tool is our creative friend along with all the other available slider adjustments.
I agree. I also find that I see compositions in the field that I can't create until I get the image in Lightroom due to the constraints of my camera's aspect ratio. If I see a square composition, my camera is not willing to oblige.
Agree
I hear what you say Henry, and I'm sure that we all try to get the best composition when out in the field. However, sometimes when post processing we see a crop that works better, in our opinion, than the original, so that's what we do. Sometimes, it's not possible to get the composition that you want because things are in the way, so again, you post process crop. I think that's valid. I don't think there is a right, or wrong approach, just different ways to achieve the shot that we are trying our best to get.
I think it's okay to crop.
Many images would benefit from a good cropping.
The key is knowing how far to crop for optimum effect.
I think i agree with Craig's comment below. I try to shoot a fraction wider than my intended ultimate crop. This is not a mistake, in my view, since I have a clear idea what I want to achieve and it allows me to divide the compositional process into two stages: in the field (first pass) and in post (final pass). It's not clear to me why it should be thought better to nail everything down in the field. (I feel the same way about ND grads in the field vs a linear grad mask in post, or choosing white-balance in the field rather than adjusting in post.) Aside from giving me greater flexibility and allowing for multiple images from the same shot, another advantage is that you can crop out the softer corners of the image if my lens is less than top tier.
I particularly like the first of the black and white images - just shows what you can do with a seemingly everyday piece of running water - scenes we pass by all of the time. the benefits of having the longer focal length and thinking in black and white. Your videos are class!
I hear what you're saying about cropping, and in a perfect world I agree. However, in my experience, the perfect composition isn't always available in the field. In North America, two big obstacles exist that don't seem to be nearly as relevant in Europe: private property rights and power poles/lines. I'd often love to take a step to the left or three steps back to better compose a photograph, but to do so would be to trespass on land that is very clearly signposted as private. And if I had a dollar for every landscape shot that's been marred by a transmission line or tower, I'd be a very rich photographer indeed.
Absolutely, I did this yesterday. On the clifftops by the beach, took a great pic but there's always something in the way, be it a lamppost, or knackered bit of fencing, or a family of scrotes, an overflowing rubbish bin covered in seagull shit. Cropping this stuff out radically changes the feel of your images.
I used to always get caught up and worried about the right crop !is it to tight not tight enough ! and in the end just go with what I like or as close as ! with any of the post processing for me with limited time I try to get as much in camera but its great to have these tools to fall back on when the need (rather than necessity ) is there
I'm not resistant to cropping in processing - but the point about framing an image on the camera is a good one - because it encourages more concentration on composition.
I'm a big believer of "get it right in camera" for one reason and one reason only..... I hate spending ages editing! Don't get me wrong, I do it, but to eliminate something like cropping from the process speeds things up, gets me off the computer and out taking photos. That being said, there is a place for it, a needs must situation, and we all from time to time miss something, but the sooner we get it right the better. The advent of the live view should make this even less of a need. You are literally seeing the image on a mini LCD screen... so much easier than a view finder for getting the crop first time.
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Super video, Henry, with a really useful and strong message. I love the first black and white image of the abstract ripple. Great work.
Love that first image Henry! That's a cracker, that mate! đđI can remember doing some very similar ones down at my local river a few years back. I really enjoyed it too. I'm not well at the moment, but when I'm fully functional again, I think I'm going to have another crack at some slow shutter speed shots incorporating water like these.
Thanks Henry. I loved the first image. It gave me a lovely sense of being carried along. Itâs a great photo that evokes an emotional response. Great work!
Interesting video Henry
Like most people like you say crop in post rather than using the lens.
In the right composition i think it would work.
Great images as usual.
I understand your point that cropping in post can make you 'lazy' but I regularly make minor adjustments to a composition that I see once it is on a big screen, slight level corrections included. My pensioner's eyesight means that I often miss minor details on the live view and even more on the tiny viewfinder image. Like you, I frequently take a picture knowing that I will crop it later to a different aspect ratio and consider that pefectly valid. I noticed that your final waterfall picture is actually a 5x4 format from the native 3x2 of the Z7 which is a format that I regularly use as it suits portrait images better.
Thanks for stimulating an interesting discussion about this topic.
Completely agree. Get it right in the field. I shoot in M43 which I believe puts a premium on not cropping. If you only have 16 or 20 MP, you want to use them all.
I started in photography when we mostly shot with TLR cameras with fixed lenses so almost every image was cropped under the enlarger. I've always kind of kept that mindset, the camera is just a tool to get a workable "negative" and the creative/composition stuff happens in the darkroom. It's really only in modern times with digital cameras (with instant review) and high-quality zooms that we can afford to compose "in camera". I've never quite got my head around it. Plus I virtually never shoot at my sensor's aspect ratio so there's always cropping to 5x4, 6x7 or square ratio (and occasionally even to 16x9).
Never crop much myself actually. Coming quite a bit from film, it was always something to avoid.
Stanley ghyll used to be beautiful and was easier to get to a long time ago, I visited there just after the fateful shootings in Boot, the locals told me all about the best waterfall to visit, I think the good old drone would be a better option these days, love your work dude, keep up the good work
Lovely minimalist image of the stream ripples. Well done, Henry.
Good photography insights, Henry. That wobbly platform, though. Your great sense of humor always makes a great watch.
your editing, your clips are so passionate, thx for sharing and teaching
Shooting wider will give greater dof for a given aperture, which will mean a lower iso because you don't need that smaller aperture size. Obviously this depends on print vs online. I only really shoot BIF so i'm always cropping anyway.
I *loved* the B&W - the first image in particular. I find it beautiful and compelling. I tried a similar experiment about 18 months ago, and was very pleased to have got a shutter speed that gave the impression the water was flowing in the opposite direction to reality. I didn't try it in B&W but I shall later today. I tend to frame my compositions way too tightly and now often give myself a little leeway for post-processing cropping. In Australia we have similarly shaky platforms, and it can be very trying if there are other people around - if I could get a hair sample from these people, there'd be pins in effigies for sure!đđ
Some unique images today! We are having a snow storm today so Iâm anxious to get out and shoot in fresh snow! Fun adventure today. Thanks for taking me along!
Love your videos Henry. The images in this one I didn't expect to like as they were black and white - but I loved them. Thank you for the learning đ
Thanks again Henry for sharing your experience.... great comments & results... always love B&W pics.... interesting comments about cropping as I do very little fiddling with my photos.... maybe because I am only a hobbyist.....I generally only darken or lighten my originals .,.my lens does the cropping unless I am using a prime lens.... cheers from Australia đ
Love the stream water and waterfall photos. I'd definitely frame them and pop them on my wall đ
Hi Henry, I get your drift on the first crop, which I use sometimes in post but also saves time at the post processing stage. Look forward to your next adventure.
Congrats on biking up Hardknock pass mate. That's quite the achievement. đLove both the images, and have really gotten into B&W recently too.
Thanks a lot!
Always things I need to hear and heed.
I mainly shoot motorsports and cropping to me is an essential part of post processing. Racing is dangerous, often unpredictable and there are only so many spots you can safely work from so you get as much done in camera as you can, then do the rest in computer. And yes, I apply the same approach to other styles of photography too.
Great video again Henry! Loved your black and white photos. And ofc your enthusiasm is inspiring as always. :)
I wonât say I never crop, but I rarely do ⊠when you crop your image you are cropping pixels as well, which reduces image resolution. I tend to print quite large (20x30in or 24x36in or larger). Shooting slide film in the âold daysâ you had to get it right in camera ⊠which is probably why I still work hard to get it right in camera. Cropping is not all bad and there are many upsizing programs now that allow you to get the resolution back (and I do use them) but I still prefer to take the time and effort to get it right in camera.
I didn't think I would like the first image, but I actually love it! And also the waterfall image is stunning! Usually, I'm not too crazy about black and white images, but it works really well for these two!
I didn't notice anything about your hair, even after you mentioned it. You look great! Relax!
Hi Henry, another grand day out, thanks for sharing. Cycling over Hardnott .. wow, back when Noah was going around in short trousers it was all I could do to get my car up there when I worked at Sellafield for a while. Some really nice images there ( as ever ). I do wonder if occasionally it's worth shooting just a fraction wider than you ideally might, so that when you get back and into "post" you can just tweak the composition a fraction. Doubtless if you nail the composition first time, you don't need to do that. Thanks again for all your effort!
My own video today has a waterfall image even more abstract than yours! I agree, either you'll like it or hate it. Good message about cropping as a compositional crutch. I like the look of 4x5 or 4x3 most of the time and I compose with those aspect ratios in mind.
Some very nice abstract images, really like simplicity of just capturing the water flow especially in black and white. I agree its always best to try get the composition right in the field but sometimes when you have more time to look at the image on the computer you see a much better composition, it's all about how much time you have to spend on it in the field. Great videonas always Henry enjoyed watching mate đ
Cropping in post or as you put live cropping is cropping it is a tool to aid composition & sometimes it is far better to crop in post to achieve the desired result.
I'm with you on almost always cropping in camera unless for panos or different aspect ratios. I think for me starting photography with film, and also with only 24mm and 50mm lenses, got me into the habit of composing for the final image...I suspect people who began with digital are more likely to crop afterwards simply because it's an easy habit to get into. Another enjoyable video Henry and I enjoyed the b&w images too, particularly the last of the waterfall.
Another great video, it's nice to show good landscape photography is not all about wide open views and vistas.
Kudos for clearing Hardknott, you'll have to try it's evil twin, Wrynose Pass next
beautiful final image! this definitely gives me something to think about, and a challenge for my next outing. thanks!
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Beautiful abstract, that first one. Really nice.
Thank you so much đ
Have to agree to some extent, get it right in camera to save you some time and effort in post, but sometimes when you are fighting against time to get the shot, sometimes you are rushing and don't always get it right in camera.
On another note, I want to reach out and ask for some advice. I'm planning a trip to the Lake District next month, primarily to capture some images at the Malcolm Wilson rally in the Grizedale Forest area and would like some suggestions near by for some landscape if you wouldn't mind offering up some suggestions. Not asking for exact locations, just a general idea of where would be your go to area if you were around that area. Thanks, and keep up the good work.
The 2 black and white pictures are really nice. The first one is really nice almost like a painting love it!! I want to see more of those from you đ
Another great video Harry, Eskldale is my favourite part of the lakes just love the area. There are some really nice woods in the area just across the river from the church if you carry on straight up the footpath there is a really nice bit of mossy deciduous woodland also the woodland in along the bridalway into Miterdale is well worth a look
Spot on as usual.
As one cycling, cumbria loving photographer to another, massive respect Henry, Hardknott Pass is a beast of a cycle climb. Oh and I totally agree on trying to get the framing right in camera, its a good discipline and means you really have to focus on all aspects of your composition. Regards Tony
Didnât think I would like the wave black and white abstractâŠâŠ.. but I LOOOOVE IT!
Some really good advice, Henry. I think cropping in the camera tends to hone our skills where as just leaving it to post processing all of the time can lead to a diminished skill set...maybe. I really like the water abstract, by the way.
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Totally agree!
This has been an eye opener for me.
Thanks for watching mate
I loved the 1st image Henry took something similar when I was out on Tuesday
Cheers Malcolm
Excellent video! While I, too, try as much as possible to compose in-camera, I'm almost always slightly refining the crop after I look at it on my computer screen. Quite often there's some kind a unintentional pattern or otherwise unnoticed distracting element right on an edge, etc. Printing can be a good reason to stick with well-known crop ratios, but I don't even own a photo printer so I sometimes crop for creative effect. There can be other reasons, although they rarely crop up for me (see what I did there? đ): If a lens is significantly softer around the edge it's nice to crop down to the sharper center, or if you're a little short on focal length for a composition AND you have the sensor resolution to support it, you can compose "for the center" and crop / enlarge later.
Nice video. I was worried that you may give away my favourite shots when I saw the paths you were walking.đ I needn't of worried, you missed most of them đ. As for my mate Stanley - what you can't see from the platform is the slot canyon at the top. Maybe when they fix the path it'll be accessible again. Eskdale is my happy go to place if you haven't guessed đ€Ł
You cycled over Hardknott Pass - much respect!
Eskdale is my favourite place in Cumbria and the walk up to Stanley Ghyll Waterfall is wonderful.
Thanks Henry. I just love these videos. Love the black and white images.
Cheers Joe
Really enjoyed your making lemonade out of lemons video today! Thank you Henry and @MPBphotography! đđšđŠ
your pre-visualisation and final image were spot on Henry, what a lovely image indeed as was the first image too. Hope the legs are covering from your bike ride
Thank you!
Henry, Quick question; I've noticed that you never appear to use a lens hood, do you have a specific reason for this? I was told to always use one. Another great video, by the way and the black and white images are superb.
Lovely B&W of the falls at the end, that sort of location is made for B&W photography.
Always a plessure to watch your videoâs Henry. Thnx.
Together with the aetheric piano I would say i absolutely Luv those B&W shots.
Great video and photos as usual! Iâve always heard that itâs better to shoot in color and edit to B&W in post processing. Does it really matter?
Love Eskdale the walk up to Lingcove bridge especially is nice there's some lovely waterfalls up stream from it. Stanley Ghyll is much nicer from the base but unfortunately you can't get there anymore.
Great video Henry, I really liked the first black & white you did đ€
Love the black and white photos, that waterfall was a doozy. đ
I was wondering : I'd sort of want the ripple on your abstract picture (at 6:38) to be really sharp and leave the rest blurry. Maybe with a bit of blur around the sharp areas, like a halo. D'you think that would work or just look weird ?
Haha :D that first clip was awesome
Great video mate.
Credit to you cycling Hardknot pass. It's bad enough in car.. đ
Very good. Excellent use of B&W. Question - is there a role for a monopod? Do you ever use one?
Great photo
Yeah, I mean, if I'm using a zoom lens I'll always crop with the zoom as part of the composition, but mostly, I have a 16mm prime pancake lens, I like it because I can grab my camera and stuff it Into my coat pocket, meaning I'm more likely to have it with me when I see an opportunity that would usually have me saying "oh for f*cks sake! I wish I had my camera" the downside is that you're limted in terms of natural framing, and just have to do the best with what you have in post. Either way, it's all good.
Silly question but why do you shoot in B&W? Do you not have better control on the tones of you shoot colour and convert post processing?
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Henry Turner what brand of backpack is that? And size?
Do you shoot in B&W or convert later? I haven't done enough to know if there is a difference.
Cycling Hardknott Pass! You loon but much respect especially to then do a vid. Top effort
..water photo=MAGIC!!!
i hate helmets too
The first shot was a brilliant spot
Hey Henry, whatâs the gloves your wearing? PGYTECH?
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Yep, couldn't agree more about the cropping, could understand if you're using prime lenses you might have a pain in your face going back and forth and just give in and crop later.
PS:you being an enthusiastic 24-200 user like myself have you checked out Stuart Mc Glennon's latest video,2 and half year review of using this lense,like yourself no BS just an honest positive review of the advantages of using this lense for landscape photography.
Editorial photographers always crop in camera, simply because editors tend to crop for text. đ