Analyzing The Ships of 'Ahsoka'
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Sion is a town in Wallis, Switzerland.
Should it be Scion?
Could u plz do a video of the Independence Day Resurgence The world defender craft
The Eye of Scion is just…it’s just awesome. It also shows a hint of what happened to all the SSDs the Empire had, not to mention just how many they really had.
And how much the New Republic is tossing in the trash, because they are so desperate to show everyone how much they aren't the empire
SEVEN SSD hyperdrives! It's freaking colossal! Awesome idea, stupendous execution. and it even looked cool docked
Eye of Sauron
also, its a nice progression of the hyperspace ring concept that kind of disappears after the Jedi star fighters in the prequels.
I loved the design of The Eye of Sion. Before we even knew its name, any Star Wars fan who had seen the Prequels or the Clone Wars knew exactly what it was.
That is a Star Destroyer-sized hyperspace ring.
"Why is the SSD core still in one piece? We don't use anything that big." If you're crossing intergalactic space... Bit like strapping multiple Saturn Vs to a cubesat...
@@templarw20 I think the crackling lighting in the jump kinna sold that idea.
This is something that was built on the edge of space with spare parts and witchcraft.
As someone who is not that deep into Star Wars.. Why is such an external engine necessary? Haven't we seen Star Destroyers use their own hyperspace drives onboard? Is it just because this one is damaged and it was easier to build that ring instead of repairing the ship?
@@MiTheMerIt’s a bit like taking a transit van and then putting in a V12 in the back. Sure the engine that comes with the van is fine but putting a giant engine in there means you can go a lot faster and they’re traveling over very long distances so the faster you go the less time you’ll be stuck in transit. The SD could likely jump back on its own but that might take years and they might not have the fuel for it
@@MiTheMer Hyperspace rings were used in the Republic for ships that can't have their own hyperdrive. Like a booster rocket. The distance between galaxies is so big that the Star Destroyer (or any other ordinary ship) cannot make it with it's own drive. The eye of sion has seven hyperdrives from SUPER (!) star destroyers. That is like 70x the power of a normal SD hyperdrive.
Like how some airplanes use booster rockets to lift of because they are so heavy, or how space shuttles ride to space on boosters.
2:12 - so funny when Sabine slips out of the ship & the table retracts unseen leaving Ahsoka’s mug on the floor. Obviously the director wanted an open shot to show Sabine left without saying goodbye & the mug on the floor was an amusing consequence.
I love that the Eye of Sion has seven SSD hyperdrives. Given that just one of those can propel an entire SSD through hyperspace and the fact that you need seven of them just to transport a comparatively tiny ISD between galaxies really puts into perspective how energy intense such a jump must be.
an interesting detail i noticed though. the guy at the salvage yard said they'd shipped *nine* SSD hyperdrives as part of that order. so there are two SSD hyperdrives unaccounted for.
making me wonder if Morgan or one of the other shadow council members (like say Pelleon) wasn't building something big for Thrawn to make use of when he got back.
@@glitterboy2098 Most likely case is that Brendol Hux was as greedy as he usually is, and made Morgan deliver two to the First Order for use in the Supremacy (and/or their remaining Executor-class Eclipse which is still unaccounted for.)
4:36 You have to remember, Thrawn's Destroyer is using equipment it had during the final confrontation at Lothal before they were taken away by the Purrgil. The TIE Reapers seemed like newer designs that may not have been deployed Fleet wide yet at the time.
The Tie Reaper was in use as early as 14 BBY. The Empire had countless different craft that filled the same role.
@richardched6085 the one in Fallen Order was piloted by an Inquisitor though, and we know from Rebels that Inquisitors seem to be a common choice of pilot for prototype or experimental vessels. It may have existed at that point but it may not have been in use. I imagine it came into use as a patrol craft between Rebels and Rogue One (since we see one on patrol at the Ring of Kafrene).
The Empire did have the Tie Reaper but Thrawn didn’t have any at Lothal he but the gunships used in the show were used heavily on Lothal
The Empire did have the Tie Reaper but Thrawn didn’t have any at Lothal he but the gunships used in the show were used heavily on Lothal
@@anidiot2284 It took 4 seasons for Rebels to introduce the TX-225 Occupier Tank. Though it must have been in service earlier. Thrawn's ISD may have had a few undeployed Tie Reapers in it's very spacious Cargo bay. Though now we know that isn't the case.
Parking the Chimera at the tower with that precision was a HUGE piloting flex. That thing is like 10 aircraft carriers all at once, and it's accurate to the centimeter, and perfectly stable.
If you have multiple pilots with 10+ years of expereince, you better believe they can pull that off. Plus, this is Star Wars lol.
And that was only using the ship's AUXILIARY engines!
It helps that starwars repulsors and intertial dampers basically turn physics off
@@battleoid2411Also, droid-assisted flight operations are a plus!
…but it was still a “Look at how skilled we are, ya muggles!” moment for the Chimera flight crew. And I loved it.
It also has sci fi anti gravity things somehow. So maybe they just make it all easy?
5:20 As soon as I saw the Fiend fighters, I thought of the Russian Polikarpov I-16 monoplane. What with the very forward wings and the cockpit pushed to the rear. Very interesting fighter, and I love that they seem to have taken inspiration from it.
That was my thoughts as well it looked like an Ishak (Strange they used an A6M for the WT snippet when the I-16's are in that game).
The stumpy look with the big chonky radial engine an as you said the smol wings & rear cockpit (better comparison would be the prototype Polikarpov I-180 as the cockpit is further back into the tail).
@@lordwintertown8284 It does kinda look like a zero. Not as much as one of the russian planes, but it's got the radial design (and the Zero's armor).
I thought they looked more like a geebee than any of the actual ww2 fighter planes
Just felt more like a race plane to me
Morgan Elsbeth's shuttle looked like the shuttles used in Dune (1984) to me. Not the one used by the Emperor, but the ones they were flying around in when checking on the harvester.
Definitely an homage to Lynch’s spice shuttle.
I love how it looks and definitely deserves more credit for how unique it looks.
Was just checking before I made this comment myself. The Ornithopters from the original film look nothing like how they are described in the book, but were very distinctive.
Agree 100%. Awesome ships. I like how the NR cruisers look like the old "Assault frigates" that were basically stripped down Dreadnaught-class cruisers.
And the SCALE of both the Chimera and the Ghost... I picked up the X-Wing mins game a couple years back, and when showing a fellow SW fan the physical models he marveled at how BIG the Falcon and Ghost were, because the scale doesn't get shown enough. Ahsoka did just that.
Yes! Spacecraft scale is *so hard* to get across because they spend all their time in an environment with zero context clues, the show did a great job of putting the vessels in situations to really show them off.
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I'm glad we got to see the Mc30 frigates they seem like the right size and function for a peacetime navy
They’re not MC30s they’re some sort of new cruisers
@starkillerab1582 good to know I just though based on their general shape they were mc30s
@@poenpotzu2865 that’s understandable
Same concept art as base, different craft.
I think you could say that those new cruisers are buffed MC30
It would be very interesting to see a future battle between Home One and Chimaera, in a strategic fight between Thrawn and Ackbar.
If it is the EU then the real Thrawn would destroy Ackbar. But Blueface couldn't even beat a 10 year old in a game of checkers.
Knowing how hard Filoni plans the Rebels saga ahead of time, I would not be shocked if they had that Ghost model ready to go long, LONG ago
Really dug the spaceship designs and renderings in this one, you could tell they put a lot into that aspect
Fun Fact: The ETA-Class shuttle is a re-used concept design from the original trilogy. It was one of the concepts drawn up for what would eventually become the Lambda-Class shuttle.
The MC-30 was a powerful ship for its size. They may just call it a generic cruiser, but in Empire at War, it tore into Imperial fleets.
The E-Wing might only be serving as a police/security fighter so far. We still see the New Republic fleet using A-Wings and X-Wings, but no E-Wings. But, it can still be argued that the E-Wing is brand new and hasn't been fully adopted yet.
The new ships are too big to be MC-30s
Both ships have the same root in concept art for the OT but I think that’s where the similarities end
@@Kingdomkey123678 That's the same argument with the Arquitens. In Mandalorian, they made Moff Gideon's cruiser much bigger when it was supposed to be a typical Arquitens. I'm sure it's their version of a retcon. We call it an MC-30 frigate, but they would call it an MC-30 Cruiser now (assuming SW nomenclature/terminology is the same or not).
Morgans gold shuttle could be inspired by the ornithopter in dune (1984)
I thought the same thing.
2:56 In the opening seconds of A New Hope, a large Star Destroyer passes over the camera, at an angle. In this shot, a Republic cruiser passes directly UNDER the camera.
It's like poetry. It rhymes.
This was really awesome and I never ever considered that rebels would get this kind of attention
Well Filoni-verse 😹
As he plays C1-10P (Chopper) in animation & live action, he’s officially part of the Ghost crew not just the show runner.
The golden repairs on the Star Destroyer and the stormtroopers are very similar or rather a homage to the Japanese kintsugi style repair of broken pottery.
I'm personally thinking that the N.R. Frigate that was holding Morgan Elzbeth as a new Disney canon depiction of the MC-30 frigate from Legends. As they do have a similar profile.
Also, the T-6 that Ahsoka & Huyang started out with looks much older than the one seen throughout the C.W.s, I personally think it's the older model that was made for TOTJ episode 2 by Dooku and Qui-Gon.
Seeing scale with large ships is what I love. When playing Elite Dangerous, Starfield or Star Citizen ships can seems smaller than they really are. When you land them and stand next to them the impact is amazing.
Being the KSP player that I am, I've always been puzzled by the star wars engine layout, and how the average thrust appears off centered to the CoM.
I've seen a lot of your videos over the years, but I don't think you've covered this topic extensively: Assymetrical and Off-centered Engine layouts.
I would love to have you share your thoughts on this subject.
Thanks for the content, may the force be with you.
The RP82 feels like it would be right at home in the Crimson Skies videogame.
I just made a video about all the ships in Ahsoka too, so it was great to hear your thoughts on them! I hope the Eye of Sion is permanently a part of the Chimaera now. A chimaeras in mythology is several creatures combined together, so it would be thematically appropriate given the ship’s name.
It does seem to be that way given the damage to the Chimaeras core systems, and I'm here for it cos the two together look amazing.
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@@hoojiwana It looked like the Chimaera's three main drive nozzles were out of commission, which is probably why the Eye of Sion had to dock with it near the surface of Peridea. It probably wasn't able to break free of the planet's gravity under it's own power anymore.
That Chimaera reveal was Jaw-dropping.
4:33 I've always quite liked this design because it reminds me of a bee. Especially with how they're used in the Rebels finale where they swarm the mining platform base thing.
4:29 take it out of star wars and I love it. It’s such a neat little Bell H1 (but in space) kind of ship
I was not expecting a clip from Star Trek: Lower Decks in the middle of a Star Wars video!
There is a massive problem with the Chimera in Ahsoka, though. Its the wrong Star Destroyer.
The Chimera is an ISD-1 class Star Destroyer. The ship in Ahsoka is an ISD-2. The easiest way to tell is that the Comms tower between the two bulbs in is on its back, whereas the ISD-1 class has it standing up. Both versions of the Comms tower are about the same height, so there is no way that it was just damaged. Its also hard to tell, but the front of the tower also looks flat, whereas the ISD-1 has a patio like Bridge extension.
That part of the bridge structure also got torn open by the Purgill.
Ahsoka has really set the bar moving forward. Excited to see what our new "expanded" universe has in store for everyone.
I never really noticed it in Rebels, but the Phantom II's top fin really ads to the Ghost's WWII Boeing bomber look.
Morgan's shuttle is screams of Dune
5:38 Morgan's Gold Shuttle made me think of the Ornithopter & the Emperor's Ship from DUNE (1984) and that general aesthetic. Not sure if this was an intentional nod but I wouldn't be surprised if it was. It really stood out in contrast to other ships in the Star Wars Universe.
The LAAT/LE was used for patrols on Coruscant in the Clone Wars. You can see them on the episode where Yoda goes to the Whills(?) planet and has a vision where he fights Sidious, and I think a few other spots.
and Rebels uses them several times each season. i suspect that the reason the LAAT/LE ended up as the typical gunship-transport and not something like the TIE Reaper is not only is the LAAT/LE older (and thus would be more common) but it also is small. it carries the same passenger load as the TIE Reaper, but at a quarter the size, always an important consideration aboard a starship. for the same hanger space needed for one TIE Reaper able to deploy a single squad at a time, you could bring four LAAT/LE's and deploy a whole platoon. given an ISD is supposed to carry thousands of troops, that is an important detail.
Morgan's golden shuttle kinda reminds me of Dune 1984's ornithopter when its wings are retracted.
Kinda...
What a well designed and On Point video.
Great breakdown of the ships! The new and first-for-live-action vessels in Ahsoka were on point!
Great vid spacedock. And I agree love this: The RP82 Fiend, Eye of Sion and, yeah many new and old ships.
Morgan Elspeth's golden shuttle was very reminiscent of the ornithopter design in Lynch's Dune.
The E-Wing gives me a Wing Commander vibe. Maybe the Hellcat from WC III?
The series was a real pleasure to watch!
I cross my arms at your critique of these ships!
Great show
Battle damaged Chimaera looks exceptional!
Great video! I'd really like to see a video on Ahsoka's T-6 and its interior layout.
Ahsoka just looked amazing. It's one of the best-looking live action Star Wars shows ever. The visual language of this show is first rate, and everyone must have worked very hard on it.
I loved this Series so much, especially all the new designs.
I very much agree with your assessment of these starships; they do look great here.
Thrawn's ship and troopers had a distinct Japanese "Kintsugi" aesthetic. Kintsugi is the art of doing repairs to broken pottery by mending the broken parts with using lacquer and then painting the seams with gold or silver powder. It is supposed to represent the imperfections as sources of strength and beauty.
Morgans little shuttle looks like an homage to Leto's shuttle in David Lynch's Dune
Could you do a video on the ships of "Foundation" particularly the three different types of jump capable vessels?
I love this damn channel!
Ngl the little shuttle at 5:38 puts me in mind of a modern take on the Ornithoptor from the 1980s Dune film!
The new e wings kind of remind me of vipers from bsg but with a “Star Wars” flair
If you compare the renders of the Ghost from Rogue One/The Rise of Skywalker (like the one currently in the infobox on the Ghost's Wookieepedia article) with shots of the Ghost in Ahsoka and renders of the HasLab Ghost, you can tell that they've reused the same model and just altered/added a few details, like the windows. Things like the "detail trenches" on the sides appear to be identical. This means that the Ahsoka model has lineage back to the model used in Rebels, since they just took the Rebels model and modified it a bit for Rogue One.
Sick shuttle moves
I think I just recognized your intro theme song! Is it from the Battlezone games of the late 90's, named for the classic vector graphic game from 1980ish?
I played the heck out of both of the 90's Battlezone games. Absolutely wonderful games.
Who else wanted to chant “Thrawn! Thrawn,” when the Chimera was coming?
I’d really love to see a live action New Republic Starhawk dreadnought in action absolutely dominating!
I hope they haven't been scrapped with the fleet decomissioning mentioned in Mandalorian S3. Still, they're a newer design so I doubt it.
I can see the republic keeping those around. Because its main weapon is a massive tractor beam it has extensive peacetime applications. It can effortlessly move things that would normally need to be pushed around by tugs in a far more complex and high-risk operation. Also, being able to neutralize ships without technically firing a shot looks good for the politicians
@@squasher0487 Not sure how feasible it is for the writers to bring a Starhawk in considering it'd be more than a match for any ship the Imperial Remnant could muster as a Starhawk is said to be equal to 3/4 ISD's, 2 Allegiance classes, 1.5 Resurgent classes, and in the right hands maybe not equal but more than a match to an SSD. But who knows with Thrawn and maybe later on in the story too.
Nah, I've always thought that was a stupid design. I'd much prefer just actual republic designs whether its bigger mon cals or even the nebula class from the EU
Those are some good vessles. Thank you.
Now that the door is open, looking forward to the canon ships of the Chiss Ascendency.
Unlikely, but that would be cool. Thrawn's Revenge mod ships for the Empire of the Hand are dope and would be cool to see in live action.
i love that the chimaera not only has all of those repaired/replaced elements but a painted design across the surface as well
It always had that in Rebels. It was to make it stand out compared to other ISDs.
@@robertdrexel2043 weird that I don’t remember that all. It’s awesome.
I'm utterly devastated that Star Wars Armada got gutted. I'd adore a New Republic Navy range with the Starhawks, these new cruisers, and whatever other designs they can dream up.
Morgan’s shuttle looks a lot like a Thopter from the OG Dune movie.
Ship scale issues are common in science fiction on tv. They seem to have largely got it right
That's usually because the VFX teams working on episodes scale ships more for dramatic effect onscreen than going by how big they were designed to be. The Star Trek and Stargate franchises are notorious for mis-scaling ships because of that.
@@korylinne2101 babylon 5 was also guilty of same
@@Phil-D83 Yup. Those Whitestars kept getting bigger and bigger each season.
07:07 GooooOOOOOOOooooooold!
Loving the SWTOR music in the background.
With the star destroyer the detail i like was the cannablised engines, only some working and the rest with peice missing
The Nightsisters loved GOOOOOLLLLDDDDD😂
6:30 i did just notice that the chimera has 'updated' its communications array from vertical to horizontal...
That gold shuttle looks sooo much like the one in the Dune movie from '84
Oh yeah it does, probably an inspiration as Star Wars was originally inspired by dune
The Ghost is by far my favourite gunship pretending to be a cargo ship
The T6 looks like if Batman had a spaceship.
The New Republic cruisers are very cool!
the LAAT/LE is basically a jetranger or little bird for the empire and i love it.
I wonder if there is a "Star Wars" version of Fortunate Son...
The thumbnail looks like if the GR-75 and the Subjugator-Class had a kid.
I wish we'd get more of new NR designs. E-wing was only on Lothal and single cruiser design just copy pasted everywhere. Older models from Rouge One just made background extras for Home One orbiting Coruscant shots. Some new escorts or evolutions of older designs to replace junk scrambled by rebels.
One of the things that I enjoy about Star Wars is the simplicity of design. We understood from looking at the Eye of Sion that it was a massive hyperdrive ring presumably able to travel massive distances. It was great to see it connect to an SSD, a fantastic mix of new ideas and callbacks. I was dissapointed in the show as a whole but the ships were fantastic.
1:56
T-6 shuttle = Jedi business
Awesome
When the cruiser appeared in the first episode I thought i has accidentally clicked on a Star Trek documentary just because of how voyager-esque it is
The New Republic Cruiser looks like an MC30 star frigate.
5:50 That ship is "directly" lifted out of Dune 1984 as the "Ornithopters" and/or Emperor's Shuttle, particularly the Gold plated parts. Irony, it looks like it belongs there more in the Star Wars Verse than it did in the Dune Verse.
You could do a video on vehicles from ahsoka.
They showed all these cool ships like an E-wing, giant MC30, even teased at a Starhawk then did nothing with them. Why couldn't it have at least been E-wings with Hera when they went to the ring?
The Gold Shuttle gave me some Dune vibes.
Those gunships actually appeared in The Clone Wars first. They appeared in the episodes "To Catch a Jedi", "Orders", and "Voices"
Nice.
Being a fan of Timothy Zahn, seeing the ISD Chimera in such condition is almost painful.
The E-Wing looks like a baby Normandy
man i loved the ships in ahsoka like home one and ghost and the e wing and if we ever see season 2 oh ahsoka i hope wesee ezra ship in the series maul old nightbrother mando drobship
Crossing my fingers for Ahsoka season 2.
Every time the New Republic fleet was on screen I kept hoping to see a Starhawk. Alas, it never came so have to hope for next time
The Eye of cyone has to be my new faveret capitale ship even if its just a hyper jump ring.
When I saw the small starfighters my first thought it looked to be a Soviet monoplane the exact type escapes me though
The table isn't really a problem, but a table like that needs a table cloth.
I guess it could do double-duty as a rug!
Could u plz do a video of the independence day resurgence the world defender craft
The spacedhips of Ahsoka were fantastic. Theshow itself looked amazing and in spite of some clunky action scenes towwrds the end, I enjoyed it. It felt however that there were too many sub-plots that got left dangling. Maybe another show will spin out of this one.
The Tie Reapers are the Star Wars Universe equivalent to WW2's Thunderbolts. I mean there is a resemblance.
Would have loved to see a Nebular SD