First Ever Review & Comparison of ALL Bach Trumpet Mouthpiece Cup sizes by Kurt Thompson
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Classical player here. I did my job using a Bach 3B. What I learned later on is that a 3C to a 3B doesn't just mean deeper, it also changes the shape of the cup. Finding a diameter of a 3C with the same shape but deeper provided me the same resistance, but darker tone which is what I wanted. 3B is more of a V shape and less resistance making it harder to play.
Hey Kurt, Not sure if you see these comments anymore, but you turned me on to a Back 3E from my Back 3C, and MAN! what a difference. Thanks soo much from a new subscriber!!! ;-)
Great to hear!
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It is so interesting to see people talk about mouthpieces especially in accordance to range, I am a lead player and I play almost exclusively on on large or xl mouthpieces. Currently on a GR67LX and a Lotus1XL2
a lead player with 3 subs and NO vids? Almost seems like you are lying here! or...maybe you have triple sized fat lips
@@TRUMPETSIZZLE I don't post on CZcams lol, I'm still in school, but yes I have huge lips
When you and I are 90 we will blow that 5A! Laughed so damn hard. Commedy as a straight man, you are there.
Thank ya! 👍
I liked the tone on the 5B. Chet Baker used to play on one
Thanks. Tone good, but the mouthpiece forces a lot of limitations...
Kurt, thank you. Just recentl, like 5 days, lip position, Bach L 25 bell, 3c . not to Dbl C yet, but its in sight, but love my sound. Don
Fantastic to hear!
Great video
I played a 5B in college, and I've enjoyed it a lot. I'm not a range player at all, but it's such a pretty sound and it works well with me, especially in chamber music. I did have to switch to play up to the others in my jazz group - there I play a Marcinkiewicz model 10.
That's great, but my dear we are ALL range players! There is no choice in the matter. If you ignore it or rationalize it then you play less musically with less musical options....just ask Maurice Andre....( his spirit)
Kurt Thompson Have you ever had a student with a split/cleft palate?
Kurt Thompson Not trolling, just genuinely asking.
several
not trippin at all... yes, i have had several students with cleft palate, cleft lip and the ones with the cleft palate had that plastic mold spacer installed near the roof of their mouth. What is your point?
I never laughed so hard. Dude, we are all shaped differently. Good or bad is a world of variables. Look at Bobby Shew. Tiny. Others play large. Myself, a 12C.Why? It fits. Best performance. Can't explain it.
3D had the best tone in my opinion. 3E had the most power in the upper register. But just pure tone, 3D was nice!
Thanks for your kind observations!
R&B Music I think I'd need the power of a 3E for use in a marching band
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I use a Parduba 5* double cup.
You sound great on all those mouthpieces. The 3F sounded a little distorted to me when you played the low G. I didn’t hear that at all with the other pieces.
Cool, thanks!
Thanks! This is interesting.
Glad it was helpful!
I've played the "3" rim size for a looong time. In my early 20s I played a 3 (no letter) and you could sleep a family of 4 in that. I've played a 3e for decades. Good all around piece.
Yes
@@TRUMPETSIZZLE my 12 year old son took up trumpet in 5th grade (2 years ago) and had been playing a 7c. This fall he actually started acting like he was interested in playing and his sound was getting much better so I gave him a 3c and he sounds surprisingly good (especially on my horn). He'll get some strength in his chops on the deeper cup then we'll move to 3e.
Bach 1D was my preferred daily driver for 20 years. Man, I love that mouthpiece. I have a 1X that I love as well but holy cow is it a deep dish. On a Strad Sterling Silver Plus 43 Bell, that was the kit.
Ummm go grab that 1D unless you have quit playing.
muchas gracias.
Wondering about trying a Bach 3D cornet mouthpieces .. I’m playing solo cornet in brass bands here inAustralia... been using a 7C but but lip can’t handle it anymore... thanks Kurt
Give it a shot and let us know how you liked it
So do any professional (commercial) lead players, such as yourself, play serious upper register work on ANY Bach mouthpiece? Your clear, sharp attacks are very impressive. Are there any secrets to getting those type of attacks?
I am sure some of them do. I tend to use a Bach 1 on stuff that goes below the staff or stuff requiring good precise tonguing like I did in a recent video short here. I played this all on a Bach 1 czcams.com/video/doZPLuLEUQU/video.html
Kurt the BR is great at the mid to high range, though I detect slight airyness at the mid to lower.range . The 3F is way too airy throughout Fail The 3E is a solid performer slight air at just some notes through to midstaff, .then is very clean up to top . The 3D has nice overtones mid staff full round would be my description . 5C doesnt like the dblG and neither did you . The 5B has full round from low G to G above staff to A 5B actually comes alive ( beautiful full tone) at mid staff to A above.. B probably stands for Bucket . thanks for the comparison Bring 2 mouthpieces. Conclusion The BR for Everest and the 3e for mid stuff and 5 b with an extra set of lips and lungs for the basement
Interesting and poignant observations!
F sounds squeaky. A was best! Resonant, really full and rich. Sounds like you can really lean into it for a great brassy sound. Good review!
Thank you kindly!
The deeper the cup, the better your sound! There is more effort in the high register when you play the A cup high--But to my ears your "effort" sounds quite beautiful on the A & B. --It's clear for gigs that it's probably impossible to play your high register material on the A & B, but your tone really sounds great and clear, less pinched on the deeper cup sizes. Peace
Thank ya!😀
Which mouthpiece would you recommend for playing TAPS? Is there one that would be great for that specific range? Thanks and appreciate your videos.
TAPS encompasses middle G to high G on the trumpet.
That is a normal playing range for anyone who doesn't have exceptional chops, for anyone who doesn't have a well-developed upper register.
Because of this, I don't make any recommendations of mouthpieces. ....any mouthpiece will do. In fact, I can play taps WITH NO mouthpiece at all.
There is also a 5 with no letter in case the A wasn't deep enough. I also notice the tuning is different between moutpieces. A deeper mouthpiece needs the tuning slide to be a bit more in.
Really? You don't really know who you're giving advice to do you?
Hey Kurt,
I’ve played on a 3c for the last 5 years and I’ve gotten around just fine with it. I want something just a little bit shallower. Not too shallower. Can you give me your in depth opinion on the 3D and how the 3D compares to the 3C. Also how the 3D compares to the 3E.
Thanks,
Hazen
Well the "D" is a slight more shallow cup, but...slight. If you really don't play in marching band, pep band, or jazz band and only a wind ensemble, concert band, or orchestra, "D" cup is probably a decent level of bowl depth for ya!
I played a Strad with a 3C as a pretty good student in the 60’s and 70’s. Switched from a 5C, which came with the horn, because I felt it was too shallow. I loved the 3C! Fun to play. I thought it brought out for me the best of the Strad.
great
I played lead in college..... played everything on Bach 1C or 1 1/2 C. mouthpieces are whatever works for you....we are all different.....
100% you had the wrong sound! You could possibly get away with it if you had extremely large lips however you would still have the wrong sound. Meaning it wouldn't lead the band but would blend in too much. I noticed you don't have Jack diddly for any Lead playing on your Channel....
TRUMPETSIZZLE I don’t have to have anything on my channel to prove or justify my opinion.....Enjoy your videos man.... you play very well!
Thanks, but...next time you get serious about playing lead, TRY a Bach 1 1/2 D or E because it will give you a closer lead or commercial type sound. It still won't be exactly right, but much better than a warm muffled sound I am quite positive you got on the 1C. If you get more serious, Get a few variations of the Bob Reeves mouthpieces and they have a comparison chart to approximate the 1C if you really like that, but can modify it to get a much more appropriate lead trumpet sound. GOOD LUCK!
I played 1 1/2 c all through high school. Only reason I switched from 7c was because I was told to move to a 3c.
Probably worked better for me since our teacher was a flute player and always told the brass section control our tone and blend. Lol
I also had a knockoff eBay trumpet, so maybe it was for the best😅
I think the best sounding mouthpiece, on you, is the 3D
Kurt, If you play a double G, altissimo register G, with a deep cup, as demonstrated by yourself in this video, you're going to hear a beautiful double high G sounding very mellow. The reason for a shallow cup is to make producing the note easier.
Many players scream out a note on the trumpet and brag that they played a high ,double G.
You can play a double G as you demonstrate in this video on a normal or deep cup mouthpiece, and not sound any higher than the g and octave lower. And yet you are in fact an octave higher and busting your guts.
Like the girl wrote at Amazon about the Bach 3E mouthpiece I read a few minutes ago.
A shallow cup mouthpiece, writing about the 3E makes the note easier to play. Not as Much effort required to produce the note.
You can play a double G as you demonstrated in this video on an mellow A cup Bach mouthpiece, and I could play a loud piecing G an octave lower and some people would be unable to discern the difference in pitch!
A young woman played a beautiful Herbert L. Clarke solo accompanied by a piano player here on youtube.com. She had beautiful tone throughout her solo using a Bach 1C I think it was. Broke on every high note.
Very interesting observation
Kurt I'm 75 playing kon a jettone Bill CHASE model I also play in Drum Corps having a little trouble. On my upper register. What can you recommend for. Me.
Take off the shirt and go swimming. Cracked me up!! Comedy is in your future dude.
Maestro Kurt podría hacer en castellano para entender un poco más de sus temas
Thanks.
I first started to play the trumpet on a 7C mouthpiece then in high school was told to get a 5C instead. There's a pretty big difference!
not that big, but....a difference
It would have been nice if you had described the differences in the mouthpieces. Not being a Bach player, (Irving Bush w3c), I wouldn't know the differences.
No need because that is already done with the Bach Mouthpiece comparison guide. What you CAN'T get from that guide is what I did in the video!
Isn't there also a "no-letter" cup that is slightly deeper than an A cup or am I mistaken?
May be mistaken
Yes, there are no-letter cups in some sizes, but oddly, they fall between the A and B cups in depth. If a certain size comes in both a no-letter cup and an A cup, the A will be deeper... at least, according to Vincent Bach. 3 is one of those sizes, so it would have been interesting to include that here.
Cant speak for Bach but Schilke does as their 14 which means standard C rim, standard depth C cup and standard backbore You can find the dimensions and comparison specs of mpcs .
There is a Bach 1 that I play, but no, you did not see it in this review
When in high school i switched from 7c to 7m when i purchased a new trumpet. I was teen then and now am 70 years old. The change ruined me. I went from 1 chair and winning a scholar ship to dropping out of band all together. It was not long after i switched that i could not play a single note.
it probably is not the mouthpiece
I always like to keep it a C mouthpiece
which bach mouthpiece do you recommend for beginner?
these days usually a BACH 3E, but for a pure, never played the horn beginner? 7c, 5c, 3c or anything in that range. They are just trying to get a buzz and see if they want to keep going with the trumpet or ....play clarinet or guitar
What’s the best mouthpiece for tone quality and notes under double C?
it depends
Depends on?
Hi I have the 1 1/4 Vincent bach and I'm looking something wider what u recommend?
I play the largest of all Bach mouthpieces...the Bach 1 give it a shot
@@TRUMPETSIZZLE ok sounds good thanks
So is A from to F,A being a deepest and F being the shallowest right?
Correct
The fact that you could hit double G on all of them is crazy
Yeah Crazy and...maybe a little lucky that day. Thanks.
Hey man so ive been playing the trumpet since 5th grade and played a 7c (still do cause thats all i have but i have 30 bucks so i can buy a new one) and i got braces sadly and i wanted to know what mouth piece will help me play higher notes easier
Try a 3E
@@TRUMPETSIZZLE guess what, i bought it i have it and its pretty nice. Now all i need is music to play and some musician friends to play with cause well im lonely and practicing by myself is werid
Very informative video. Great idea playing the different mouthpieces.
I'm a first year player and I play a 5c and b and I can hit a high g not bad ehh
Better than what i did my first year!!!
It’s my 4th month playing on a 7C mouthpiece and I can hit a high g too
great
Parking level! Make me laugh for 20 minutes. Go swimming! Funny man
yayyy
B as a boy
Amen
SOUND cut out on 3D comments
Why switch to 5 for the C,B,A cups when you play 3F and 3D?
all about availability my friend
If you have big lips which size mouthpiece should I get for trumpet?
Everyone is unique. Your best bet is to do what most good players did: TAKE PRIVATE LESSONS!
If TOTAL RANGE by Charles Peters is the Holy Grail, Why Aren't We All Doing It?
just a sugestion for a video
Well, I already took at that years ago. First, you can't too much on the guy and there is NOTHING with him playing anywhere on youtube. Also, little to know student reviews from his personal students or players that have read the method. Certainly, no video reviews by the same crowd. Last: Lowell Little, Gordon, Stamps, and some others seem to have similar stuff that i bet....Charles got from them! So players aren't going to fare much better with this book unfortunately.
thanks a lot!
Sound goes out from 18:16 to 18:40. Tried on diff laptop and android. Right in the middle of the 3d review, bummer.
Wait so it gets harder to play or easier?
what?
My mouth is small. What can I do?
You can likely do a lot. With a smaller oral cavity, you have the opportunity for greater compression!
@@TRUMPETSIZZLE Thank you so much . I recommend any number that helps me write me the measurement please 🌷
sound drops out between 18m17s and 18m40s...you weren't cussing that much, were you?! ;)
And again from 20m36s and 20m48s.
CZcams is not going to fix it unfortunately!
5A big boys toys 💋
hehehe yup
What was the name of the piece at 18:10
3d. however, I have the same review over at my other channel that has better audio with no interruptions: czcams.com/video/2SLnuXe9Ha8/video.html
It's late, but Fanfare for the Common Man
Hey Kurt! My name is Ryan, and was looking for some advice with the breaks from Double G to Double A. I struggle to get a decent A out on most days but have my good days every so often and actually get a nice powerful tone on it. Is there anything different with the embiture or compression of air? Anything helps, thanks Mr. Thompson!
Hi Ryan. First, are you studying with a teacher who is a master of the upper register? That would be my first suggestion. 2nd, lack of lip strength tends to be the culprit for most player's breaks in that range! www.trumpetsizzle.com 🙂🙂🙂
Kurt Thompson yes I am actually taking lessons with Jordan Hoffman, and we have recently went over the upper register and he was able to get me to a solid Double C, it was there all along, i was just not useing proper technique and my eyes have opened immensely 🎺
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Thanks Teresa!
Imagine if you practiced on a deep cup and performed on a shallow cup 🤔
i don't need to imagine
Bach sizes are NOT accurate. They are relative depending on when they were made.
Oh?
@@TRUMPETSIZZLE check out the kanstul mouthpiece comparator site.
thank you. Now how about the rim differences, that inconsistencies has been my main source of frustration with Bach. I feel comfortable with a 6 but it does not do high very well. The 5c and 3c have rims too wide for my lips. I have an antique unmarked mouthpiece that increased my high range but it is awkward on the bottom.
It may not be the mouthpiece. How high can you lip buzz?
Reeves 3:15
3F 4:21
3E 5:32
5D 6:33
5C 8:09
5B 9:39
5A 12:48
Great organizational skills!
@@TRUMPETSIZZLE Thanks buddy! Chuck it in the description if you want. Found it very useful for AB testing your tone.
This video is over-exposed to the point where I cannot even see the details on the mouthpiece!
not true...better watch again
@@TRUMPETSIZZLE Watching this video was different than my laptop. I guess it was just my laptops quality or something. I dunno but it seems better on my phone for some reason...
love your videos but please turn your exposure down
oh...a RACISTS, huh?
Ok buddy