How far can you get Without Upgrades? (BTD6)
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- In this video we see how far i can get using only tier 0 towers, no upgrades. Only having base towers presents some unusual challenges, stay tuned as we try the same thing for only tier 1,2,3 and maybe 4 :)
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you let a banana despawn at 5:45 in the bottom left corner, reset
4:21 too in bottom right
Wth
Literally unwatchable
this game couldve EASILY lasted another 100 rounds if he had collected that banana
@@mobilegaming69yearsago17 A hundred? More like [√736(102.48⁵¹²-2πr)^^91.3652]127.3644‰~ rounds
2:30 "We're only getting base towers anyway right? So surely we won't need that much money"
Immediately cuts to a full map of farms
I laughed so hard when it happened
Geraldo might not be able to deal with the super ceramics himself, but he can pack super monkeys in a much smaller space with his capes, getting you so many more super monkeys on the board at one time. I wonder how much that helps overall.
The capes restock very slowly. I saw someone use this strategy to pack sun avatars close together, and they still did not transform all the dart monkeys at round 350.
Even if that helped, it wouldn’t help with the DDTs so wouldn’t have gotten far enough as base super monkeys can’t hit DDTs
If you put Gerry fire on a ninja would it be able to pop camo lead/ DDTs?
@@chadyourmaxdashdaddy yes
You could fit so many shooty turrets inbetween the towers aswell
8:43 holy shit I never knew that had a pierce limit. Definitely a racing balance lol
everything in this game has set pierce
@shalvei_ pretty sure that isnt true and ice monkey has infinite pierce along with Spirit of the jungle correct if im wrong
@@SansDiamond Ice Monkey has a pierce limit, SotF is the only exception in the game afaik
@@shalvei_glue strike and another full screen.
@@ajaxdossd948absolute zero?
well he didnt get any dumb upgrades atleast
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Also if you used Geraldo you could’ve used the super monkey cape to save space
Leaping Sword will follow Sauda's targetting btw so you can use it to hit blimps, stay close to Sauda, or hit the start of the track right before troublesome bloons spawn
you should have placed a bunch of alchs (and glues and ices?) since sauda does extra damage (very significant) to bloons that are slowed, stunned or taking damage over time (read level 11).
also ezili and brickell can decamo everything at a certain point, so i think one of these 2 would have gone much further since they also scale much better than sauda
Etienne and Striker can also allow other towers to attack camo and black bloons respectively - which could potentially make the difference against DDT's for some towers
Yeah, I think 108 was probably possible with 1 or 2 alchs around the map (replacing a couple ninjas) seeing how close it was.
Edit: 111 might be possible with some alchs but I kind of doubt it, 112 would surely be the end though. Unless that is, if Sauda can beat 112 with spike factories in the back on Resort.
Good point about the decamo - still, not many towers can pop black lead bloons efficiently so might not be able to make it past 108 either
The Sauda part could strong enough to actually warrant a rerun, but the decamo probably doesn't matter at all because they cant solo the ddts and none of the the towers that can hit lead+black(just alc irc.) are good enough to change that.
@@RancorSnp
Striker:
You still have the issues of camo,
The only base towers that damage camo are spike factory and ninja which both do sharp damage and can’t damage leads.
Ezili, Brickell and Etienne,
You still have the issue of lead black bloons.
The only towers that can damage lead blacks at base are Alchemists, and you are never dealing with ddts even with a full map of alchemists
This takes me back to over a decade ago when me and my brother thought upgrades in tower defense games cost actual money so we never upgraded our towers.
You forgot about Etienne. Doesn't pop camo leads, but remove camo from the game so it's only lead now. (Yeah not useful now for t0 only as it only leave alchs to kill DDTs, but as soon as you'll unlock t1 may get much more viable of a hero)
8:45 This is my first time seeing Sauda pierce cap so hard in my life. 🤣🤣🤣NK sure loves pierce cap everything!
Except the ray of doom I think it has infinite pierce
@@Allugaattori10 nah that also has a cap
@@Allugaattori101,000 pierce
@@Allugaattori10 SOTF (x5x druid) is the only tower with an "attack" that has infinite pierce. There are some abilites with infinite pierce though
r/btd6 posters' runs when they ask why they failed on round 59:
I knew Sauda charge had a pierce limit and I was thinking to myself "That's gonna get pierce capped" as he was waiting for it on the regrow round
I'm glad I wasn't the only one lmao
i think corvus and geraldo would be broken for these as they have their respective 1TC records
So did Sauda.
camo pots and genies are too short, no lead popping but from gerry fire which lasts not that long so gerry wouldnt be good. corvus has little camo detection but from the spell that is short. tho i belive if u can do god teir micro with corvus he is best, but thats very very hard. so sauda really was the best choice imo.
@@sayoriigdyeah I agree. Gerry wouldnt do well after 100 solo with just base towers. There are too many dense DDT and FDDT rounds in the 120s you dont have genies or enough Fires for
You know they got nerfed since, right? Corvus not much though
@@EGO.BReAKERRcorvus got weaker in exchange for being easier to use and level up faster
Alternative title: How far can MackanRules get without continuing Lucifer's Sanctum?
Just joking of course, not sure exactly what happened with the artist but hope they're doing well.
I think the T2 Towers will be the most entertaining. It's still a huge restriction, but allows a lot of options
I hereby request Mackan to turn on small towers after placing every tower down, just so we viewers can more easily see the bloons.
Tier 1 I think since 1-1-0 sniper can damage DDTs i wonder if cubism or Resort will be better for sniper space and Line of sight
Thanks for the dono man! :) Yeah that's a good idea, i just finished recording that video and it did save some rounds!
In case you didn't know, you can collect banana while locking the whole army of dartling by simply hover placing a tower. The dartling will locked in place while u move ur cursor
I feel geraldo would be best since you can use not only genies but also jerry fire on ninjas for ddt damage and alchemists with camo pot for ddt damage as well as all the utility he provides
etienne also could be a good option for permanent global camo tho I don't know if just ucav and alchemists is enough for ddts
I tested round 106 with etienne it was close but i couldnt beat it sadly
But idk about geraldo he might be able to beat the DDTs as its hard to test him without doing a full run
I sincerely doubt that this will be worth it, but you could consider maps with helpful obstacles, such as darkest dungeons, instead of logs to help with the overall damage output
You can win 108 probably with a monkey knowledge, the one that gets dartlings off locked, you first target them all away, and then use the sword charge and then leaping sword, wait till you have the sword charge again and use the monkey knowledge and soon after, use the sword charge and sword leap and pray🙏🙏
Etienne, gives camo detection. Which would give camo lead popping also.
ettiennes dps is terrible compared to sauda when you take abilities into account, i think he made the right choice
@@frostpvpmc you may be right. Mean Etienne has the permanent ucav which is pretty good. Think that would have more ddt dps.
It would handle camo, and leads pretty well, but not any decent t0 lead and black poppers I can think of. Alch, but not getting ddts with that.
Only mentioning it cus he didn't mention that when he was talking about heroes that could work. He is far more knowledgeable than I am.
I tested round 106 and etienne and a full map of alchemists but they still couldn't beat round 106 however it was possible to beat round 108
@@btd6k1ng94 the 000 alchs (only ddt popping towers with no upgrades) with camo don’t come close to sauda
I think it would be cool if all the monkeys had to be at the specific tier. For example with tier 4s you wouldn't be able to use sun avatars as they are tier 3. Doing this would also allow for you to do a video on only tier 5s.
000 supermonkey is finally useful
In chimps runs where you use Geraldo they are sometimes useful cause the cape
It's useful early game
What about Etienne tho? He can let alchemists hit DDTs
Multiple alch DoTs don't stack, and the potion throw is actually so slow the Alchs just keep missing DDTs. Level 20 Etienne with full map of alchs loses to 95 in sandbox, but 93 and 94 can be cleared. Sauda deals more DDT damage than full map of Alchs and Etienne combined.
1:45 and corvus ?? 😭 i guess too much micro or he is too good
And ezili
2:52 you spent 37440 dollars to place 36 farms wich generate 2880 dollars per round, meaning that it takes 13 rounds to start actually making a profit back from the spending you did
I appreciate that he sold the free dart monkey, as always Monsieur F.D.M. would've carried up until round 140 and made it far too easy :P
I was predicting Round 90 going off the thumbnail alone
wouldn't elizi be pretty good for this for both camo lead and the BAD?
Geraldo could've been a really good pick since you could use the cape to cram a ton more super monkeys onto the map than you could've otherwise, or alternatively you could've stuck with Sauda but played on Resort which would be better for her and not have any line of sight issues
Geroldo heros cape seem busted for this challenge, could fit so many supers
Without heroes, you die to the camo leads on round 59. No 000 tower can see camo and pop lead. With heroes, you can beat round 100 and maybe even go past that.
Alt title: How far can you get with Sauda? (with emotional support from dartling gunners)
idk if it would've given you any rounds, but placing some ice monkeys would have made a lot of rounds easier
i tried this a while back on CHIMPS, i used gwendolyn as my hero and i was never able to pass round 94. i used gwendolyn because her abilities would allow me to deal with camo, lead, and bloon clumps.
Even you managed to beat Round 108, Round 111 might be the dead end.
5:05 i think if nk ever did a banana farm paragon then you would'nt need any other farms
So to be honest, the farms are completly useless. If we assume that one farm costs about 1200, 36 farms would cost 43200. With a max income of 80 per round, it would take 540 rounds to make the money back. So it is just a wasted money.
Thanks for the effort in this awesome video 🔥
havent watched the video yet.
you can only get to round 90 due to no 0-0-0 tower being able to pop led and camo unlesl theres some deep secret mechanic i have forgot
So this is basically how far you can get without monkey XP but what if you didn’t have player XP instead so you’d likely be limited to dart monkey, mermonkey, beast handler, dartling, and Quincy. And any other lvl 1 limitations apply
dartlings not being able to hit camo without an upgrade is criminal
If you want to collect bananas without changing the aim of your dartling gunners, press any tower hotkey and then move your cursor around the map. The dartlings will stay locked but you can freely collect bananas
8:50 her sword charge ability has 400 pierce and at max level its 1400 pierce per charge
Damn, seeing all the towers over the screen reminds me of Superjombombos Random Odd Series (ROSE)
Ezili gets camo lead at level 1 and is fantastic at eliminating moabs
I'm curious how well Gwen's Heat It Up, level 17 buff and Spike Factories would handle DDTs
Not round 91 with no hero.
Mabey 100 with a hero
camo leads smh
well 59 is imposible with no hero as there is too many camo leads to leak and no 0-0-0 monkey can pop camo lead
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@@shreesayajha I forgot that there are camo leads then, but I'm still correct.
@@josh-gu6zi..no? You can't tank all the camo leads, there's 50 of them
LUCIFER'S SANCTUM PLEASE
the fact that a sword is stronger then a tank round shows you the level of power screep in the heros
I might just be dumb, but my first instinct was Etienne for the global camo detection, paired with bomb shooters
You can currently beat CHIMPS with tier 0 towers plus Sauda by using Resort as a map since it maximizes Sauda efficiency
I get that its supposed to be a no ubgrade challange but wouldnt be using corvus be best cuz he cann (i didnt if he still cann ) 1tc and its on ez so its even mor elikely
learn to type lil bro
Churchill should imo be able to pop black balloons with his mounted machine gun
He can, but DDTs have *both* lead and black bloon properties. Neither sharp damage nor explosive damage can hurt them, so Churchill is helpless without abilities, while Sauda can hurt them normally (past level 13) and deals a huge amount of damage
lo, how the mighty have fallen. Release-version Sauda made it to round 111 by herself in isab's old "one hero challenge" video.
(though, admittedly, this was before rounds 101-120 were deterministic)
Sauda is still pretty good, just not broken anymore.
Great idea! Looking forward to the tier 1 video
Great video! Love the hero showcase!
dont tell ninja kiwi, we dont need more secret quests.
Hear me out, for r108 target bfbs at the end, and buy more supers to set to strong since sword charge and clean up cerams
Out of curiosity is there a reason etienne wouldnt work with his UCAV and UAV since at level 20 he can hit DDTs with UCAV and UAV at level 8 allows towers like the alchemist to hit DDTs and perma UCAV helps on the dense lategame rounds
I use Etienne regularly and I don't think he could deal with the Super Ceramic waves as well as Sauda can. I can't think of any base tower that destroys them easier than what was shown in the video.
Yeah he sadly is not strong enough to take out the DDT rounds :p
Yeah i just tested round 106 and he cant beat it sadly but at least he can beat round 108 which is kind of cool
Im excited for the tack shooter paragon
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16:16 bro let one slip
Also Etienne would work it could give camo detection to alchemists example
Can’t wait for the tier 1s
I tried doing only tier 1's and made it to round 106 without using hero's
the only way to damage dtds is to use 1-1-0 snipers
"How far can you get without upgrades?"
Proceeds to upgrade sauda
I feel like geraldo would be better because you can spam capes
i think for challanges like this x3x villages should be allowed or maybe use a mod that can remove x property off bloons
But Geraldo has Gerry fire. If you give ninjas Gerry fire they can damage ddts, no?
without powers or knowledge, still technically forever. without heroes as well, 59 is as far as you get
What about Etienne? Giving camo to everyone
you can try only using teir ones only next
He said in the intro, this is gonna be a series so he will be using Tier ones
I am pretty sure ETN at a certain level gives all powers on the map came out detection wouldn’t that work
I feel like Gerald might have been better
I love this channel
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15:06 😂
Etienne. That’s all I’m going to say.
Interesting ezili wasn't chosen given her ability to strip DTTS of camo, though that might be a level you get after round 95, not sure how beginner hero xp scaling would work there.
Even with the strip she wouldn't get past 93 ddts, and probably way less unless crazy hex micro
Admiral brickle allows water towers to attack all types of bloons, so maybe try this again with admiral on water map and see how far it gets?
The water maps are too short for base towers to deal enough damage, unfortunately.
Bro is scared of magic monkeys only v3(?)
Now do this challenge. With no towers. I'm serious. Do it
Sword charge has a pierce of 400
why not a village for sauda boost her range, deff because she did most, any buff could help
maybe use a village? I think its worth it to buff sauda
etiene would give camo.. not sure if any tower can pop lead and black bloon by default tho...
He forgot about etienes uav ability giving everyone camo
Bro using Sauda and decides to not use alchemists for one of the biggest buffs to Sauda (sauda gets A LOT of damage attacking bloons which game DoT on them)
As soon as I saw this video I thought round 59 but then I remembered heros
No Ezili? Strips camo and fortified from DDTs, and her level 10 is crazy strong. Clear missed opportunity here
Yeah she strips the camo from the DDTs and then what? The lead and black properties are still a huge problem, she doesn’t solve those
@@GreatFernicus Main attack does good damage + level 10 ability eats MOAB class bloons
@@bottlerocketboy8492her dps is just way too weak compared to sauda and others, i highly doubt you could even get to r95 and even then she cant beat that
@@bottlerocketboy8492 Ezili deals nowhere near as much raw damage as Sauda and MOAB Hex doesn’t have nearly enough uptime for her to be the only tower that can handle DDTs
The thumbnail is actually killing me
Would cubism be a better map?
I think you should have only used lvl 1 heroes cuz no tower tier
14:25 bro use a hotkey please it would save you a lot of time
18:43 😩
Etienne would probably have been a good choice
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I think 59 because nothing other than heros can hit camo lead
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You should do this with tiers 1-3 aswell
He said already said that in the intro😭😭😭