Yes that's why I'm critical of looks, wireless shifting only and the historically promising Specialized proprietary shock, I won't ride it for awhile since I don't want or feel the need to demo that thing. 💀
I’ve no doubt it’s an awesome riding bike - I just don’t want the bs of anything electric on my bike. I want to leave my house and leave all that shit behind me and not think “oh f*ck I forgot to charge this this and this”
@@dft1 its more so about the reliability of cables vs wireless. Guaranteed there will be plenty of occasions after long ride you forget to charge your batteries. So those times you wanna go for those last minute after work rides only for your battery not to have enough juice. Clearly a huge mistake for specialized not to make room to install routing spaces for your shifter cables.
Thanks for the review. You guys do an excellent job of giving impressions, and often times give great tech info too.. I'm riding my 3rd Stumpy now. 9 mtn bikes, so far, and a third of them Stumpys because they are totally AWESOME. The Evo's plush was appreciated, but pedaling suffered greatly.. then add the pedal strikes, which were on occasion very dramatic (bad crashes.) I finally got used to the lack head tube / handling on the Evo.. but the plush ride wasn't worth the trade off, so I'm back on a std Stumpy. I was thinking that the turbo levo may be my next bike, but I'm still in okay shape for an "old guy" , so I will likely get a Stumpy 15 before I go electric. I still want the high intensity sections in my rides, and think that eMtn would eliminate that health benefit. Shrugs, I really don't know.
I was so excited about a new Stumpjumper and I am actually in the market for a new trail bike. The Stumpjumper 15 Comp would be an amazing option checking more boxes than I will ever need but…no one wants a battery powered transmission. I will wait for the cable actuated derailed option next year.
So the new Stumpjumper has a proprietary rear shock, requires an expensive battery powered SRAM drivetrain (no Shimano) and the base model starts at $5500. Yep, sounds like Specialized.
You don’t have to use that shock and personally I’m not going back to mechanical. I love it. Shimano is behind with the wireless for now. I don’t personally understand why people are so stuck on mechanical. It’s harder to maintain.
@@skibum1976 when you’re gear shifting gets out of whack, it’s the click of a button vs needing tools to adjust or tighten the cabling. I’m not saying it’s a prominent issue. I’m saying when it happens, it’s an easier fix in my experience. It’s definitely faster shifting especially under load.
@@kentao4I can appreciate that and you taking the time to reply, but still i have no issues with XTR shifting: it’s extremely rare that I need to make an adjustment and on top I’ve no battery.
I’m assuming there will be an alloy version. I’ve seen a video about fox’s new dropper post and I think the bike shown was the stumpi 15 alloy version. So hopefully the alloy version is more affordable.
Review says he liked running no tokens and says he's not bottoming out? I'm 190lbs and can bottom out stock 1 outer band and the stock .2 main chamber just by bunnyhopping in my driveway. Now at 2 bands and green main chamber (I think 0.4) which is huge improvement and will trying 3 bands in outer to keep it riding higher in the travel.
In this bike market they are charging those prices? ...and require you to have batteries to work your bike? Have owned over 22 bikes and never a Spec and I guess that will cont.
In my opinion, the “new” bike is not an innovation from Specialiced. If you look closely you will see a lowered >Epic< with standard trail/enduro characteristics. but it looks damn nice, even if the wireless issue also bothers me...
Seems like an awesome bike that I'd definitely be interested in if I did have Stumpy Evo. I wonder how the Genie would go in the previous model?....... I MegNeg'd my ebike and it was night and day.
Seat tube angle on the old is listed as 76,9 vs 76,5 on the new Bike, both S4 in the "standard" configuration. Did I miss something here or has it gotten slacker? I would be keen to try, owning the last gen Stumpy evo an loving it.
It looks small also got emtb vibes, it would probably just need a cutout?! 😅 I'm not a huge spechializer fan from the start but I don't trust the Spech/Fox shock, give it a season or two before buying in my opinion that nobody asked for. Wireless shifting only. Definitely a future ebike platform 😂
None of this is new. The stumpy Evo is adjustable head tube angle, high and low bottom bracket, you can mullet. It just now looks like every other bike
Not a huge amount to seperate it from the previous gen EVO on paper, but it’s been tweaked here and there to improve its performance. And the new GENIE shock is pretty sweet.
Also, they ditched the asymmetric frame support but kept the yoke which I hate on my Evo. I went with a Hightower instead of the SJ15 based on the above, and not wanting a 38 on a 150mm bike. Also, I’m over matte paint. Absolutely a pain to maintain.
@@justinfournier1285lol you hate all the things I put specialized above the rest for! I absolutely hate gloss. I just wrap them. This should pedal better than the evo and that’s what I’m worried about.
@@kentao4 I have a matte Evo and a matte Fuse, but the Ridewrap in matte changes the colour. So you can very easily see where the gaps in the panels are. Gloss hides much better. Matte you can’t remove scratches from and every rub on it becomes a semi-gloss streak. Where you rub against the frame when you ride goes semi gloss, it just looks a lot more beat up. I can deal with that but I really don’t want another yoke bike. I don’t want to say the yoke is ok now with the Genie shock so it’s ok, because the genie is trying to make an air shock perform closer to a coil and I already have a coil on my Evo @ 157cm. My evo is setup all mountain. Moving closer to trail category I have a 145cm Hightower and a 120mm Trail 429 Enduro. All of the above are custom builds. So why do a SJ15 now? Ugh. I was stoked for an Evo replacement. Guess I’ll wait for the Enduro
@@justinfournier1285 my evo is matte too. I hear what you’re saying but still like how it looks better. I hear you about the evolution of replacement. I’m actually trying to have a single bike closer to all mountain and then all day pedaling. Evo is good but hopefully that genie shock helps me get closer to a one bike to truly do everything. I’m not as hard core for an enduro. I’m heavier at about 220 and just wanted a beefier bike. I’m really deciding between the epic evo and the stumpy.
Piggy back shocks have more oil and that's it. They perform better on long descents but anything outside of that there's no difference with a non-piggyback shock. The tech in the Genie is about the air spring but yes, it does not have a piggyback so it may get hotter on a long descent. On the flipside, Specialized often has a light tune on damping to make it feel more active so heat may or may not be an issue. I would assume that we will see piggyback shocks with Genie tech soon but for now this is all we get. I wouldn't be too worried about piggyback unless you live next to a gondola.
is the dropper insertion depth little deeper than the previous version? that's the only complain I have about by stumpy Evo, I cant fit a 200mm dropper in it.
Bro, I have a 210mm One-up dropper on my Stumpy Evo and can even go to a 220. Don't know what dropper brand you're using but maybe worth looking at One-Up?
I don’t mind the electronic shifting and don’t really know how forced electronic shifting will go but I think it’s interesting specialized continues to try to charge these prices when the market is flooded with bikes. This might be my next bike (not this model) but I think by the end of year, def by spring, we will see some sales all over again. 9k is out of control. There’s not that much new tech to raise prices this much. Spec relies too much on the hype of a new bike.
189cm and was comfortable on S4, but have proportions and preferences that push me towards downsizing. 180cm means you could ride S3 or S4 okay, and likely the S3 would be the ticket for nimble, but S4 would be a better all rounder.
No thanks. Boring looking for superbike prices. The only people who will buy this are converted brand loyal roadies. And the resale value will be 1/3 in 2 years. That price and no mechanical shift option rules this out. I live in Washington and have to replace cassettes every 9 months and derailleurs every 2 years. No way am I committing to $800 a year of drivetrain upkeep. This bike can politely F off
That is a good point. It's a nice when you first buy a bike to have a high end derailleur, but after it eventually gets broken, I usually just go with something that works. No way I'd want to be shelling out that kind of money to replace a derailleur.
Can anywhere explain how they are able to run a coil when this model has less progression than the previous EVO? People were already needing to use a cascade link or something akin to Rockshox HBO to keep from frequent bottom outs.
@@SomeOldDudeMTB You should try riding one. I found it to be sluggish, plus you're disconnected from what's happening, so can't moderate power vs. shifting as accurately. Also, if you forget to charge it, the ride is done. The derailleur cable can fail, sure - but can be fixed in the field.
@@TheBabylonJohn I've been using SRAM's AXS for 2 years and prefer it over my my mechanical shifters on my other bikes. All positive for me with zero negatives, ok maybe one..the battery. It lasts long enough though so never had an issue.
Lighter S-Works frame? I understand it's the same carbon frame on all models. No provision for a cable drivetrain is absolute silliness. And forcing me to go mullet (I would fit an S2), which I absolutely don't care for, is crazy. I'll pass.
This looks identical to the YT jeffsy…. Doesn’t appear to be anything like the Swiss Army knife of the previous generation… it’ll probably cost and arm and a leg… bidenomics happened to this bike…
Would you care to expand on this? Looks like a solid trail bike. Yeah it can alienate people with no option for mechanical derailleur, but most people just ride the bike as it's built anyway. Obviously they'll lose some prospective buyers who only want to run a cable operated drive train. On the other hand they'll win over a lot of people who wanted to try SRAM transmission, but can't afford it on low end builds. The SJ comp is only $100 more than a SJ evo comp MSRP.
Love reading all the criticisms when something new comes out, from people that haven't ridden it.
Haha , yup armchair engineers are the best !
Yes that's why I'm critical of looks, wireless shifting only and the historically promising Specialized proprietary shock, I won't ride it for awhile since I don't want or feel the need to demo that thing.
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I’ve no doubt it’s an awesome riding bike - I just don’t want the bs of anything electric on my bike. I want to leave my house and leave all that shit behind me and not think “oh f*ck I forgot to charge this this and this”
Not every time something new comes out, when the last Stumpjumper evo first came out the majority of people were stoked on it
I have not ridden it. I need to get rid of my Stumpy EVO first! My friend has one and I can tell from the way he lands….. OMG, damped!
Nothing here that makes me want to replace my “Steveo” thankfully. No mech cable routing is a colossal blunder
its not. lower end gx wireless is cheap.
@@dft1 its more so about the reliability of cables vs wireless. Guaranteed there will be plenty of occasions after long ride you forget to charge your batteries. So those times you wanna go for those last minute after work rides only for your battery not to have enough juice. Clearly a huge mistake for specialized not to make room to install routing spaces for your shifter cables.
@@dft1 @SubversionGarage said nothing about cheap vs expensive - some people just do not want batteries on their bikes
Thanks for the review. You guys do an excellent job of giving impressions, and often times give great tech info too..
I'm riding my 3rd Stumpy now. 9 mtn bikes, so far, and a third of them Stumpys because they are totally AWESOME. The Evo's plush was appreciated, but pedaling suffered greatly.. then add the pedal strikes, which were on occasion very dramatic (bad crashes.) I finally got used to the lack head tube / handling on the Evo.. but the plush ride wasn't worth the trade off, so I'm back on a std Stumpy.
I was thinking that the turbo levo may be my next bike, but I'm still in okay shape for an "old guy" , so I will likely get a Stumpy 15 before I go electric.
I still want the high intensity sections in my rides, and think that eMtn would eliminate that health benefit. Shrugs, I really don't know.
I can't wait for next year when they drop in price lol
Great comprehensive review, great content. Sweet bike! Got previous AND enduro, spesh makes great bikes wether u like it or not
I was so excited about a new Stumpjumper and I am actually in the market for a new trail bike. The Stumpjumper 15 Comp would be an amazing option checking more boxes than I will ever need but…no one wants a battery powered transmission. I will wait for the cable actuated derailed option next year.
I honestly thought we were moving in a more user friendly direction, but this bike proves me wrong.
How so?
So the new Stumpjumper has a proprietary rear shock, requires an expensive battery powered SRAM drivetrain (no Shimano) and the base model starts at $5500. Yep, sounds like Specialized.
You copy and paste bastard😂😂😂 mates spot on
You don’t have to use that shock and personally I’m not going back to mechanical. I love it. Shimano is behind with the wireless for now. I don’t personally understand why people are so stuck on mechanical. It’s harder to maintain.
@@kentao4 can you elaborate on how mechanical is harder to maintain? I ask as I've no batteries on my bike - i squeeze the tires and go
@@skibum1976 when you’re gear shifting gets out of whack, it’s the click of a button vs needing tools to adjust or tighten the cabling. I’m not saying it’s a prominent issue. I’m saying when it happens, it’s an easier fix in my experience. It’s definitely faster shifting especially under load.
@@kentao4I can appreciate that and you taking the time to reply, but still i have no issues with XTR shifting: it’s extremely rare that I need to make an adjustment and on top I’ve no battery.
I’m assuming there will be an alloy version. I’ve seen a video about fox’s new dropper post and I think the bike shown was the stumpi 15 alloy version. So hopefully the alloy version is more affordable.
Disappointing, shock yoke bikes are tough on shocks and the top tube is kind of high.
Review says he liked running no tokens and says he's not bottoming out? I'm 190lbs and can bottom out stock 1 outer band and the stock .2 main chamber just by bunnyhopping in my driveway. Now at 2 bands and green main chamber (I think 0.4) which is huge improvement and will trying 3 bands in outer to keep it riding higher in the travel.
Why does everyone cry about wireless? Never had an issue and it’s quicker no?
In this bike market they are charging those prices? ...and require you to have batteries to work your bike? Have owned over 22 bikes and never a Spec and I guess that will cont.
Great introduction. Isn’t 2.3” tire a bit narrow for the modern trend?
No
I remember when the trend were fat tires 2.6+ but it seems like 2.4 are the standard now.
In my opinion, the “new” bike is not an innovation from Specialiced.
If you look closely you will see a lowered >Epic< with standard trail/enduro characteristics.
but it looks damn nice, even if the wireless issue also bothers me...
If you look even closer you’ll see that it’s not all that different than a bike. Has 2 wheels, 2 pedals, and a handlebar. Also a seat to sit on
Dang forced to have a wireless drivetrain blows.
Buy a frame and get a universal derailleur hanger or go with a different bike
Seems like an awesome bike that I'd definitely be interested in if I did have Stumpy Evo.
I wonder how the Genie would go in the previous model?.......
I MegNeg'd my ebike and it was night and day.
Seat tube angle on the old is listed as 76,9 vs 76,5 on the new Bike, both S4 in the "standard" configuration. Did I miss something here or has it gotten slacker? I would be keen to try, owning the last gen Stumpy evo an loving it.
It looks small also got emtb vibes, it would probably just need a cutout?! 😅
I'm not a huge spechializer fan from the start but I don't trust the Spech/Fox shock, give it a season or two before buying in my opinion that nobody asked for.
Wireless shifting only.
Definitely a future ebike platform 😂
they made the best success in status, now they made their stumpjumper into one
None of this is new. The stumpy Evo is adjustable head tube angle, high and low bottom bracket, you can mullet. It just now looks like every other bike
Not a huge amount to seperate it from the previous gen EVO on paper, but it’s been tweaked here and there to improve its performance. And the new GENIE shock is pretty sweet.
Also, they ditched the asymmetric frame support but kept the yoke which I hate on my Evo.
I went with a Hightower instead of the SJ15 based on the above, and not wanting a 38 on a 150mm bike. Also, I’m over matte paint. Absolutely a pain to maintain.
@@justinfournier1285lol you hate all the things I put specialized above the rest for! I absolutely hate gloss. I just wrap them. This should pedal better than the evo and that’s what I’m worried about.
@@kentao4 I have a matte Evo and a matte Fuse, but the Ridewrap in matte changes the colour. So you can very easily see where the gaps in the panels are. Gloss hides much better. Matte you can’t remove scratches from and every rub on it becomes a semi-gloss streak. Where you rub against the frame when you ride goes semi gloss, it just looks a lot more beat up.
I can deal with that but I really don’t want another yoke bike. I don’t want to say the yoke is ok now with the Genie shock so it’s ok, because the genie is trying to make an air shock perform closer to a coil and I already have a coil on my Evo @ 157cm. My evo is setup all mountain. Moving closer to trail category I have a 145cm Hightower and a 120mm Trail 429 Enduro. All of the above are custom builds. So why do a SJ15 now? Ugh. I was stoked for an Evo replacement. Guess I’ll wait for the Enduro
@@justinfournier1285 my evo is matte too. I hear what you’re saying but still like how it looks better. I hear you about the evolution of replacement. I’m actually trying to have a single bike closer to all mountain and then all day pedaling. Evo is good but hopefully that genie shock helps me get closer to a one bike to truly do everything. I’m not as hard core for an enduro. I’m heavier at about 220 and just wanted a beefier bike. I’m really deciding between the epic evo and the stumpy.
so fox have just made a meg neg lol also the price puts me off and way to run cable shifters
Can you review the new Dartmoor Rocbird enduro frame? Thanks
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Evo Elite has been great. this doesnt give me a need to upgr. one day ill have a carbon frame tho
Great video! How does the shock compare to other shocks with a piggyback?
Piggy back is only in place to keep oil cooler. Current Geniue shock due to its design doesn't get hot enough to effect the performance of the shock.
Piggy back shocks have more oil and that's it. They perform better on long descents but anything outside of that there's no difference with a non-piggyback shock. The tech in the Genie is about the air spring but yes, it does not have a piggyback so it may get hotter on a long descent. On the flipside, Specialized often has a light tune on damping to make it feel more active so heat may or may not be an issue. I would assume that we will see piggyback shocks with Genie tech soon but for now this is all we get. I wouldn't be too worried about piggyback unless you live next to a gondola.
is the dropper insertion depth little deeper than the previous version? that's the only complain I have about by stumpy Evo, I cant fit a 200mm dropper in it.
The s4-s6 expert is specced with a 200mm pnw components dropper
Bro, I have a 210mm One-up dropper on my Stumpy Evo and can even go to a 220. Don't know what dropper brand you're using but maybe worth looking at One-Up?
Weight this bike in s4 size?🧐
I don’t mind the electronic shifting and don’t really know how forced electronic shifting will go but I think it’s interesting specialized continues to try to charge these prices when the market is flooded with bikes. This might be my next bike (not this model) but I think by the end of year, def by spring, we will see some sales all over again. 9k is out of control. There’s not that much new tech to raise prices this much. Spec relies too much on the hype of a new bike.
The wireless only is stupid. XT and XTR dont need wireless.
Glad my Epic takes cables.
Hey can I ask how tall are you and what would you recommend for a 5’11 /180cm dude looking for a nimble rig?
189cm and was comfortable on S4, but have proportions and preferences that push me towards downsizing. 180cm means you could ride S3 or S4 okay, and likely the S3 would be the ticket for nimble, but S4 would be a better all rounder.
No thanks. Boring looking for superbike prices. The only people who will buy this are converted brand loyal roadies. And the resale value will be 1/3 in 2 years. That price and no mechanical shift option rules this out. I live in Washington and have to replace cassettes every 9 months and derailleurs every 2 years. No way am I committing to $800 a year of drivetrain upkeep. This bike can politely F off
That is a good point. It's a nice when you first buy a bike to have a high end derailleur, but after it eventually gets broken, I usually just go with something that works. No way I'd want to be shelling out that kind of money to replace a derailleur.
Can anywhere explain how they are able to run a coil when this model has less progression than the previous EVO? People were already needing to use a cascade link or something akin to Rockshox HBO to keep from frequent bottom outs.
new coils has air bottom out, pretty nice
Charles Murray races it in enduro and doesn't use cascade link.
Cool bike, but good luck to them with the peak covid pricing in this economy.
Nice
Thank you!
Can both the front and back be 27?? :)
Wireless shifting is one of the worst "advancements" in a long time - sad to see my favorite bike forcing it.
What makes wireless shifting one of the worst advancements? Everyone I know that has it, loves it.
@@SomeOldDudeMTB You should try riding one. I found it to be sluggish, plus you're disconnected from what's happening, so can't moderate power vs. shifting as accurately. Also, if you forget to charge it, the ride is done. The derailleur cable can fail, sure - but can be fixed in the field.
@@TheBabylonJohn I've been using SRAM's AXS for 2 years and prefer it over my my mechanical shifters on my other bikes. All positive for me with zero negatives, ok maybe one..the battery. It lasts long enough though so never had an issue.
Lighter S-Works frame? I understand it's the same carbon frame on all models.
No provision for a cable drivetrain is absolute silliness. And forcing me to go mullet (I would fit an S2), which I absolutely don't care for, is crazy. I'll pass.
Looks like the wanted to make a Ripmo or Jeff’s just 5 years too late. I love my Turbo Levo but will wait to upgrade my Fuel Ex cause this ain’t it.
Took the stumpy away from the people who bought it it’s too expensive
Great now mine is irrelevant 😂
It’s better. No sidearm = ever other bike
Still a great bike thankfully!
This looks identical to the YT jeffsy…. Doesn’t appear to be anything like the Swiss Army knife of the previous generation… it’ll probably cost and arm and a leg… bidenomics happened to this bike…
I’ve never heard someone unironically say bidenomics. It’s more cringe that way than ironically.
@@Kovacs-sf1hi so you're a soy biden boy?
Cool but not an ebike might be the last stumpy review ever from what I’m hearing.
Would you care to expand on this? Looks like a solid trail bike. Yeah it can alienate people with no option for mechanical derailleur, but most people just ride the bike as it's built anyway.
Obviously they'll lose some prospective buyers who only want to run a cable operated drive train. On the other hand they'll win over a lot of people who wanted to try SRAM transmission, but can't afford it on low end builds.
The SJ comp is only $100 more than a SJ evo comp MSRP.