Understanding Clipping vs Limiting
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- čas přidán 13. 06. 2024
- Joey shows you when to use a clipper vs. a limiter. Are you using clippers and limiters in your mixes? Let us know in the comments!
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0:00 Introduction
0:26 Limiters
2:08 Clippers
3:19 Clipping vs. Limiting
5:13 Bus Processing
6:49 Vocal Bus
7:55 Guitar Bus
9:02 Master Bus Processing
10:03 Closing thoughts
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JST-CLIP is still an unparalleled one stop shop for drums. Crazy how loud you can get the drum bus while maintaining clarity and punch.
I mixed a hardcore track today and thought to myself “these drums are sooooo loud. But it doesn’t sound squashed”
@@ryanshreevedrums exactly you still retain a lot of dynamics. It’s very transparent whilst also having its own subtle sound. Honestly one of my favorite/useful plugins
Maybe someone could answer this question, I enjoy a punchier louder mix, but I heavily enjoy clarity within the loudness, but how does one go about the LUFS requirements for say CZcams, Spotify, etc without losing volume?
@@ITzRobertoBRO probably not the most qualified person here to answer this question, however, 2 things are pretty obvious. 1.) Your final output stage on your master needs to be at least -1db output ceiling. You can google search the platform requirements. Also the Lufs which is platform dependent. So for example: -1db on the output of your limiter, and usually between -11 and -14 lufs. Use the loudness meter in your DAW set to measure lufs and match it with the requirement for which ever platform you're looking to upload to.
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Everytime a Joey video appears. You know you need to watch that instantly. Love the video.
I agree. The way he explains things is pretty well done.
First result in a “clipping vs limiting” search and I wasn’t disappointed. Thanks!
Wow thank you for the educational video! I know using clippers will elevate my mixes now that I know more about them 🎉
I usually always put a clipper before the limiter on my master buss and always clip my kick, snare and toms.
Me too🔥
My favorite clipper is Newfrangled Audio - Saturate, it has some unique details preservatio, flexible UI with meters, soft-hard clipping morphing, and autogain compensation. :)
the attack on Pro-L 2 does not work as many might expect, instead (as per FabFilter's own documentation) “The Attack and Release knobs control how quickly and heavily the release stage sets in. Shorter attack times will allow the release stage to set in sooner; longer release times will cause it to have more effect.” As far as I know, the main difference between a limiter and a compressor (besides ration) is that a Limiter's "attack" is always instantaneous.
I love the T Racks Clipper! Absolutely killer bc you can adjust anywhere from soft clipping to hard clipping!
I love jst clip, but I do wish it had a in/out and reduction meters.
Great Video as always Joey!!!
Happy belated birthday, Joey! Great information as always.
Such helpful information, thanks Joey! 🤘
Awesome info man. I just bought a clipper I never thought i would need one since I own every limiter out there but this video really helped.
What a great video and what great integrity. Buying your product. I am an old analog guy and it's finally time to start with the digital limiting.
I haven't been using them but now I will thank you sir
I'm relatively new to the home production game and working with plugins, but I'm old enough to remember when Joey Sturgis was producing records 15 years ago and getting killer sounds. While I have a lot more to learn, I have learned a lot from the JST videos I've seen so far. Thanks for the tips 🤘
To the point and incredibly helpful - much appreciated!!!
JST clip also works really well on DI's before the amp sim if the DI is not aggressive enough
Great video! Thanks for sharing!
Great informative video! Thank you for this!
Thank you. This helps solve my problems producing steady double kick drums.
Great video. I used to use Limiter + Clipper, but now I`m using Maximiser + Limiter!
Love the JST Clip for individual instruments and drum bus. T-Racks is always on the master tho. Followed by the Sonnox Limiter and its always plenty loud 😉👍
Wow, thank you Joey!!!
So useful. Thanks
Awesome video thanks man.
Great video man, thanks !!
Hey JST , excellent video. This really helps me understand exponentially. Can you do a video on the difference between color and texture in audio?
very cool, never really used clippers but now i certainly will
Great advice!
Thanks for the video, cheers from Germany
Been loving KClip 3 lately!
NICE TIPS !
Thanks, wish I would have researched this long ago.
That music sample at 8:00 crushes. Reminds me of TBDM. Always love those 2 - 1/16s + 1 - 1/8.
Greaaaaatt video!!!!! Thank you!!!!!
Thank you.
Helpful!!
I currently use the stock clipper and limiter in reaper on alot of things!
Absolutely! I do too. People hate on js plugins because they aren't visually appealing. In my opinion they really work great.
@@jerryfick8547 yeah man totally agreed,i like those,the saturation and 1175 is good as well°!!
ty JS
I still think Limiters give a more transparent compression with a more original tone, especially on bass guitar...i prefer a FET Boss LMB-3 bass limiter to most other types of compressors...took a while to get the settings right for whatever i was playing but now i get a great clean bass compressed tone that is very transparent without sounding over compressed...maybe limiters work better on bass...though you have to get the threshold & ratio settings right to get a great bass tone...i guess drums are different to compress compaired to bass guitar...a well done video with good info & examples.....
Great videos! It’s awesome hearing a topic covered by an artist with my favorite “sonic palette.”
maybe your best video :)
i love you joey
A rare example of the distorted overcompression being used artistically and tastefully was in "Almost Again" by SYL.
I may have a problem, I did not notice any difference between the two first clips 😔
I'm using both. My main track gets a D16 Frontier limiter set mostly to get this track's output to stay in a certain range. On my Master Bus, within Studio One, on the insert section is only 2 things, LVC Clipped-MAX and Venomode Maximal 3. The LVC Clipped-MAX has a shifter section nearly identical to ClipShifter. Next is stereo, followed by M Band, and lastly Master. The Maximal 3 is set to brick wall my output.
All the meters I've added into the post section to monitor levels.
I've now bought the LVC Limited-MAX to use with the Clipped-MAX. I'd gotten a sale email for 40% off from LVC so I got their limiter.
If anyone here is a Reaper user, the built-in saturator and wave-shaping distortion plugs do this kind of thing really well.
using L-316 after ssl comp on the master instead of L-2 but i think i want to use L-2 last in the chain. i cant seem to control L-316 as easily as L-2 when it comes to make the mix loud
The guitars of the master buss session was crazy!
can you tell me the name of the music?
hero
What is that riff at 9:20???? SO good!!
About to buy De-Clip 2 any discount Codes Joey and the team? :)
While mastering I always use two limiters (first one sometimes in soft limiting mode). What are your thoughts about using 2 limiters vs using clipper followed by limiter in mastering? Pros and cons of each. Thank you for your time and answer
I regularly use the Sonnox Oxford Limiter, followed by Pro L2... and if it still needs a bit more control, I'll add KClip 3 in front of both of those to snag an extra db or two.
FYI the first example with drums A is -11.2 LUFS integrated whereas B is -12 LUFS. It's 0,8 of a difference and to me example A sounds naturally better.
Just brick wall it until there's not a crack in the wall. Slam it baby. The kids LOVE it
what about clipping a few db and then going into your limiter on the master bus? Maximum loudness and dynamics this way?
do some of you know a plugin that previews the sound on different speakers, like an iphone speaker?
Maybe someone could answer this question, I enjoy a punchier louder mix, but I heavily enjoy clarity within the loudness, but how does one go about the LUFS requirements for say CZcams, Spotify, etc without losing volume?
The limiter keeps the parts that go over the clipper removes them. Perception wise
3:37 you said you would compare brickwall limiting with clippers, but the settings on Pro-L2 were far from brickwall limiting
You are god of audio engineering.!!! Please suggest me a free clipped plugin .I'm broke 😤.
On vocals limiter, on drums cliper 🎚️🎛️
I'd love to try the JST version but I'm a cheap bastard so I use the hell out of Gclip. It's free and does a great job on drums n master.
I preferred a)
Got to wonder how you achieve that robotic monotone.
Compressors and limiters want to be lazy. Aka use them sparring and use the clippers for power punch and loudness. Baphometrix has a great series on here about Clipping to Zero aka CTZ which gives you a loud mix with lots of punch and impact.
What is the name of that last song? 🔥
My dude mains reaper lol boss
You know what’s up 😀
At 05:36: Is it really limiting when adding attack time? I mean, the dynamic range is still the same as the loudest peaks are let through and it is not upwords compression/limiting. Im sure I got someting wrong, but this is confusing... Also, how then is the body of the drums brough up when loudest peak is the same but still a gain reduction?! The resulting signal level should then be the same hotter and quieter quiet parts. Best regards Confusius, the confusted confusion himself :)
But ey, this is the best tutorial I've seen in a long time! Very important part of mixing
I heard that the algorithm used for hard clipping is basically the same for all clippers. Do you know if this is true?
Yes because hard clipping is one formula
Sample > Threshold
Sample = Threshold
If the sample is greater then the threshold it becomes equal to the threshold, if it's not this it ain't a hard clipper
@@jurv7626 thank you. That’s basically what I was told. So I guess the selling point of a hard clipper isn’t which one sounds better but which one has the features you need like adjustable ceiling, over sampling and just basic workflow. Do you know if it’s the same with soft clipping?
@@davidasher22 what you said about hard clippers are true, soft clippers are a different story, they either have fixed mathematical wave shapes (check out Free Clip) or a softness/slope dial (usually a knee control, the same thing you see on your compressor and on Gclip or the Flatline one) or a softness/slope dial that changes/smooths the fixed wavehape.
JST Clip has a custom slope
@@jurv7626 I actually use Free Clip. I normally need to use some sort of monitoring after it though because the meters on the plugin are small and hard to use. So I usually through a Pro L on the master bus just for the metering capabilities.
But how did it get so messy?
What's the name of the theme u are using
Smooth 6
@@joeymusic thank u
so could one clip down into the limiter and then gain up afterwards 🤷🏾♂️😩
Does anyone know the purple plug-in he’s using? That shows the differences in the wave form
I don't think it's a plugin, I'm pretty sure it's just a screen capture/screenshot after bouncing the track with the processing of the clipper or the limiter on it and then some editing in the video production to give it some elegance
@@AxonRiseMusic no it’s a plug-in someone mentioned it in another video where he was doing it and I looked it up found it but my dumbass didn’t screenshot it and now I can’t find the comment anywhere lmao
@@jcrocks19 It's Oszillos Mega Scope
@@AHmusic god youre a lifesaver!!!! thank you!!
okay but , why to use a limiter or clipper?
if Keith from The Try Guys was a music producer :
but limiter make the hhats n cymbals sound better when not push hard!
So what you’re saying is I shouldn’t put L1 on every track 😂
Lmaooo same
you should try both and see what you prefer
Put JSTclip on every track instead 😂
I am sorry but I did not like these examples. Seems like the sound of the instruments will be changed. Which music will have so loud instruments needed.
What kind of examples would you like to see instead?
@@joeymusic I don't make music like this, I like the clear sound and the natural sound of instruments. Not too much compression and only peak limiting, meaning the top of the peaks to get the lift of the sound. But your examples are for sure great for heavy metal
I believe there is a technique to turn the PRO L2 into a clipper.
Not exactly the best music choice for demoing limiters and clippers! Jeez! I get transients are important, but that's not all limiters and clippers do.
What kind of examples do you think would be better?
@@joeymusic Just the kind of tracks that your audience makes. Rather than what sounds like a drum solo.
@@RJ1J no
@@timothyforry2222 yes
Can supposed ‘experts’ please STOP saying the ‘attack’ knob on Pro L2 is used to let more transients through. It’s a BRICK WALL limiter!! The attack knob on Pro L2 is how fast the release begins..!!!! It is NOT a compressor.
You CANNOT ‘let more transients through’ a brick wall limiter.
I use both together to bring the best out
i like clipping for a more digitized music but if im doing something more raw i like limiting