Review: Cordoba C10 Parlor Classical Guitar
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Review: Cordoba C10 Parlor Classical Guitar
Cordoba 'Luthier Series' Line of Guitars
Solid Canadian cedar top
Solid Indian Rosewood back & sides
Indian rosewood binding / Indian rosewood bridge
7/8 body size, 50mm nut width
mother-of-pearl weave rosette
630 mm scale length
-truss rod
Price range from $1000-$1300 USD (via Amazon 2016)
My Cordoba Reviews so far:
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After watching your video awhile back, I bought a C10 Parlor with spruce top (for clarity, just my preference) directly from Calido Guitars. It was nice to be able to talk with Dan. He did a set up for me and it was perfect when it arrived. I love this guitar, have put aside my electric guitars and am using this for almost everything. Thank you!
Thanks for sharing, glad it worked out!
Thanks for this review! Kremona makes a good quality moderately priced 7/8 size guitar - the S62C. The price (around $350 currently) may be a bit more accessible for some, particularly people starting out, or maybe not only just starting out, because the sound is great - particularly for the price!
Now that you mention it recently I've changed from the Savarez crystall trebles back to Diadario pro arte and I feel I get more volume and color even though they cost less
Frets sometimes need a little TLC after shipping from changes in temp and humidity, altitude, etc. Once gone over it will usually be fine for years. Good review, sir.
Bought both spruce and cedar top versions. Full sound and easier to hold.
Excellent review! I think this will be my first classical guitar. Coming from electric and being pretty short myself, I think I'll prefer the smaller size
That seems to be pretty common, but if you can go try some out at a store that is certainly recommended.
Thank you for all of the work you have put into your channel - it's a fantastic resource for beginners like myself. I will be ordering this guitar in cedar later this summer. One quick question - is the 7/8 size compatible with the ErgoPlay and other supports?
Thanks so much!!
Yeah why torture yourself when there are short scale guitar and narrower neck.
Instrument should suit player not vice versa. Particularly if one have short fingers.
@Richie Hernández it could mic'd to PA. But yeah louder acoustic guitars usually are better and expensive.
The guitar probably got dry at some point, causing the finger board to contract. That makes the the frets protrude at the edge. And like you said, they're probably also not polished at this level. BTW, I really like your reviews.
Hi Bradford, firstly thank you very much for providing so much awesome content, I'm enjoying it so much I've just ordered your beginners book from Amazon.
Quick question, I've just started learning classical guitar having switched over from Bass guitar and I've been borrowing a friend's Alvarez ac65, I'm looking to buy my own classical guitar at the end of the month but on a very tight budget. I'm looking at either the Cordoba dolce or la patrie motif. What are your thoughts as to the best option? I'm only 5'6" and I find the body of the Alvarez I'm playing a little uncomfortable but the 650mm scale itself isn't such a problem.
I'd really appreciate your thoughts
Many thanks
Ross
Kremona makes a great guitar. The solea or the 90 anniversary model are just awesome guitars. The Sofia is a great everyday guitar. You get more bang for your bucks with kremoma. Check one out.
Beautiful guitar
Great Video 🙏
My friend, since I have the C10 crossover and C12 do I need to even worry about getting the parlor?
Thanks for your videos, and replies,
Harlan Gene Parrott Sr.
The most confortable classical guitar I've ever played is a Takamine special model that I bought nearly 30 years ago. I have way more expensives guitars that sounds better, but in terms of confort, none of them matches my Takamine. It's a 650mm scale lenght, but the nut is 38mm, the 12th fret is 48mm and the bridge is 58. Never seen any guitar like that before.
Hi Bradford really enjoy your content. I was wondering if this guitar would suit someone with average sized hands but wants a bit more comfort in the left hand. I find even using light tension strings a bit much with a 650mm scale length. My main concern would be the 50mm nut width and whether this might make things a bit crowded.
I've really been enjoying my new Cordoba "Dolce". I hope you can review this one also. It's a great inexpensive option instead of the C5 for smaller hands. I am curious to see what you think of this guitar.
The dolce is good, more entry level but it's nice and mellow.
there is an alien base under the sound board of your guitar............just kidding
After watching your reviews of the Cordoba Luthier series, I was debating between the C10 spruce (parlor for comfort) and C12 cedar , so I picked up both. After much anticipation, my C12 arrived sadly with a hair line crack on the soundboard (but still sounded great!). I’ll have to return it for another one. The C10 was delivered today but it was not a parlor from the measurements (confirmed also by your closeup video of the sound hole). Just my luck! 😅
Arg, that is so annoying for you. Send them back! It'll all work out (I hope).
Interesting would be to hear you play the same composition on cordoba c5, c9 and c10.. from the reviews I liked sound of c5 more maybe because of the melody.
That is a good point. My access to the instruments was very far apart so can't really have them all in the same room but that would be better yes.
I've always played steel string acoustics and I have small to medium size hands. You think this guitar would be a good fit to get into nylons?
Could you not put a Capo on the first fret and detune a semi tone if you got a normal Classical guitar to make the scale length shorter.?
In your reviews you sometimes mention "cross-over" guitars, especially their necks. Do you not like the cross-over necks? Too narrow for you at 48mm?
I mainly play classical repertoire so want the normal 52mm....
Have you had a look at the La Patrie collection guitars? I'm a fan of the Cordoba's as well but haven't had the opportunity to look at the best from La Patrie, and given my impressions with the value for other Godin's I hope the La Patrie holds up too.
Also, what would be your recommendation for say, your personal top 5 classical standards?
I have tried a few LaPatrie guitars. I think they are pretty good for the price but underperform volume-wise. Volume isn't everything but it can be a shame trying to keep up with others if you have to work overly hard.
Thanks for the reply and honest answer, I really enjoy your videos!
I have been a steel string player for years and want to improve my technique and widen my repertoire with lessons with an RCM instructor near me, I'm still sort of leaning towards a La Patrie for this purpose, as my busking guitar is a Seagull and I really never feel like I could be cheated by the value, but given a few more months the C9 and C10 look like a big step ahead.
Anyways, thanks for the great videos, you're probably the easiest to follow and most thorough classical resource on CZcams.
Sharp frets usually means some shrinkage has occurred since leaving the factory
Thanks for the review! If you do not mind my asking, what is your preferred string height for action?
As low as possible but without buzz. Seriously, I take my other guitar to the luthier and have him shave down the saddle and try it out playing really hard (overly hard). As soon as I hear a tiny bit of buzz we stop. Sadly, the stronger your technique, especially if you play concerts or ensemble music with other instruments, the higher it will have to be. I love the truss rods in the cordobas though, they really help.
Hi buddy , thanks for the video I am a huge fan of your channel , wanted to ask you if you had the chance to play/review guitars made by spanish Luthier Manuel Rodriguez , I currently own a Manuel Rodriguez FC which is a good guitar however I am considering making an investment and purchase the Cordoba c12 or have one of our fine Costarican luthiers to create one from me. Greetings from Costa Rica
Very very nice guitar. But for most of us it’s impossible to spend what it costs on a musical instrument since either we are just students or maybe skilled players but don’t actually make money from music. At least I think it’s the case with most viewers. For most normal people I think between $200 and $400 is considered expensive. But this Cordoba in the video is out there.
You must be extremely poor if you consider a C10 expensive ….
Great review. I am trying to decide between the C10 and C10 parlor. (Probably a spruce top.) I think the size of the parlor would suit me much better so am leaning towards the parlor. However I don't want to sacrifice a significant amount of bass and lower mids. I know the parlor will not have as much, but wondering to what degree. Comparing the two, does the parlor version have signifcantly less lower frequency than the standard size? THANKS!
Yes, it will be a bit tighter in sound and less full and big. I'd recommend the Cedar in general for better response and volume (even though I like the spruce).
Hi there, what is the name of the piece you start to play at 06:49? It's on the tip of my tongue but I can't recall the name! Thank you.
I have a little question... How high is the action on this guitar? Is it possible to lower it to 3mm max? (previously I had a guitar I couldn't lower the acton less than 4mm and I was disappointed...)
cordobas have a truss rod that you can adjust and you can also sand the bridge down but you have to take it in baby steps.
Hello, Bradford! What is the name of that beautiful piece you started playing at 7:19? Anyone?
Anyone know any dealers in Ontario (Toronto or Ottawa) have them in stock? I do like to try on.
Bradford.. I just received my C10 Parlor "Cedar"... I just prefer the warmer sound of cedar. Like you did, I bought mine on Amazon at about the same price that the local and online guitar retailers are selling them for. As for the aesthetics, it is well made. All the joints and purflings are spot on. No sharp edged fret wires on mine, the ends were filed and polished perfectly. One thing though and it may be because the guitar has yet to acclimate to my office / music room's temp and humidity ( a normal or steady 68c - 70c temp and 45-50% humidity) but as I play down the neck the intonation (pitch) of the notes past the 5th fret seem to be slightly sharp. I am assuming that the guitar shipped with Savarez Cristal Corum High Tension 500CJ (per their web page specs). I have always used D'addario Pro Arte on my higher-end Burguet. The Burguet is also a standard 650mm scale. In your review you mentioned you changed the strings to D'Addario's. Do you think a string change may make a difference? Also do you remember which D'Addario's you used? I purchased this guitar for the shorter scale length hoping there would be less strain on my 70 year old hands.
Maybe after awhile adjust the truss rod for the lowest possible action that doesn't buzz and see it that helps the intonation. Didn't notice any issues on the ones I had.
Oh, and my string recommendations: www.thisisclassicalguitar.com/review-classical-guitar-strings/
@@Thisisclassicalguitar Bradford thanks for the suggestions. The action is as low as you'd ever want it to be. There is no buzz on any string at any fret along the board. What I have noticed now that it has been in my possession and has acclimated to the temperature and humidity (45%) is that notes played past the 3rd fret on the high "E" and the "B" are DULL. Do you think the D'addario carbons would remedy this issue. Here is the conundrum... I have a 30 day window to return it to Amazon for either a replacement or a refund. If I change the strings I believe that window immediately closes.
Really tough to say, the sound will probably change a bit as it gets played and adjusts to the climate but guitars take quite awhile to change so it would past your window. Is is dull or have the strings been on there for a year in storage? Old strings on an unused guitar can be a bad combo. Every guitar has its good and less-good qualities so don't be too picky, but if you think it's not right send it back.
@@Thisisclassicalguitar Bradford I really appreciate the advice. It plays smoothly the bass have no issues just the two higher nylons. I guess my high-end Burguet spoiled me. I just need an easier playing guitar because of the nerve damage in my fretting hand. I'll change to the D'addario Carbons. And yes I wasn't thinking of how long it might have sat in a uncontrolled climate (warehouse).
I like the sound of the C10 cedar more than the C12 cedar, although the C12 has more volume, and I bet is more responsive. The C10 seems sweeter to my ear but you have to really force the left hand to get nuances (e.g., vibrato, etc.) from the guitar.
The hard part of judging spruce guitars is that they initially sound brighter than cedar. It takes time to sweeten them but you don’t know when and if that will happen to the extent of the cedar. Typically they do but that’s like saying more than 50% of the time this occurs, but there’s still a high probability the one you get doesn’t.
It depends on what you are using the guitar for. For in the practice room alone I like the C10 spruce but it is a bit overbuilt and doesn't do as well in a hall or big space. It sounds nice though!
@@Thisisclassicalguitar I just got myself a C10 cedar from my teacher who needed to get rid of it to buy a car. It turned out we went to the same store and liked the same guitar. He pulled the trigger immediately but I hesitated.
The owner of the shop told me that a guitar teacher came around and picked it up days before I showed up. Next class my teacher shows up with it. I asked him where he got it to confirm my suspicions. Sure enough!
Over the past few months, I had been listening to it from the other side and loving it. He let me play it once in a while. He noticed my enthusiasm for that guitar, and given his situation, asked me if I was interested in buying it last week. I couldn’t say no.
I have good luck befriending guitar shop owners. A while back one of them let me play his guitars in the “back room”. All of the upwards of $6k, and some above $10k. Many were made by well known luthiers. The best one I played was by a guy who was an understudy of Manuel Velasquez. The sound on that guitar was just incredible, but the price tag was around $12k, and that was before the pandemic. Anyway, he closed shop when the pandemic hit, so I can’t get my fix anymore with incredible guitars.
What is the difference in playability between this and the C-5 Cadete? I'm 5'1" and have small hands. I have a lovely $5K Kenny Hill 7/8 classical and an old really big Ramirez (what a rich sound though) but getting older and my guitar teacher says I will get much more satisfaction out of a 3/4. I bought a Cadete and while way more playable for me the sound is just not what I'm used to.
I think the Parlor is about the same as a 7/8ths size but with better woods than the Cadete. You might consider selling the Kenny and getting a smaller scale and body size from a luthier or look into the best factory guitar in that category.
nice review ... doesn't it resemble the flamenco specifications somehow ? with spruce on top, shorter fret size with less width ! then shouldn't its sound project in a way more clearly and so ?
by the way, what is the name of the piece that you keep playing it every now and then ? it is at 7:19 is it also one of Tarrega's ?
Weiss E minor Suite. czcams.com/video/gqJVL5HiJwg/video.html
Flamenco guitars are built differently. Lower bridge, thinner wood construction and the neck is attached at a flatter angle to enable lower action.
Can you recommend a good guitar for a beginner - intermediate player ... I was looking at the admira virtuoso - thanks for your videos and website
Here's my review of entry level guitars. www.thisisclassicalguitar.com/review-best-beginner-classical-guitars/
Can you remove the finish on the top and have a French polished applied?
Also is the 50mm nut width noticeable?
The smaller neck profile is certainly noticeable and I think the 50mm nut is too. I don't think it would be worth putting French polish on it, it would be a fun experiment but a costly one.
7:20 what is that? Sounds good.
differences between c9 parlor and c10 parlor? I see c9 parlor got rosewood fretboard and c10 ebony fretboard. Did you notice any particular differences? And which of the two do you prefer?
I feel the C10 has more sustain and projection but it could be in my head. I was not able to play them back to back... I prefer the C10 though on first glance. Especially if you can get a deal on one.
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Thank you so much. I actually appreciate your videos.
@@Thisisclassicalguitar I know you recommend cedar for your students, but I can get a deal on a spruce c10 for nearly the same price as a c9. It is this exact guitar - czcams.com/video/54rHKWogtEs/video.html - being played here. What would you do? I don't discourage easily so clearly hearing my mistakes won't bother me. Would it be a good choice to "grow" into?
Hi Bradford, do you remember what guitar strings you were using in this video?
Hi, no sorry I don't. I would bet D'Addario Pro Arte with a single carbon G string.
Hi there. Have you ever had a chance to play one of the Cadetes? I'm hoping to upgrade my wife's small-bodied / small-necked fender 3/4 classical. I got it for $30, but she plays it more than any other guitar in the house! :) If the Parlor had a 48mm neck (vs 50), I'd jump. Obviously, the Cadete would be quite a step down from the C10 parlor, but significantly cheaper -- and undoubtedly a step UP from her little Goodwill Fender! Thanks for your thoughts.
Yes, I've had students play the Cadete guitars before and they were good for the price. I say go for it.
@@Thisisclassicalguitar Thanks so much for your thoughts. I'm DEFINITELY intrigued. Initially I had read the the Cadetes didn't have a truss rod, but now I'm seeing otherwise. Surprisingly difficult to find a small-bodied, small-necked (nut) nylon!
how tall are you? what guitarsize whould you recomend for 170cm tall people?
You could consider a 630mm scale length. Most luthiers do this. As for factory guitars I would consider: www.thisisclassicalguitar.com/review-cordoba-c10-parlor-guitar/
What is the piece played around 7:13? Just beautiful.
Lagrima by Tarrega: www.thisisclassicalguitar.com/lagrima-by-tarrega-free-pdf/
Good videos.. 👍
Glad you like them!
Is the neck thin enough to chord the 6 string with your thumb?
It would be easier than a regular classical guitar for sure.
Bradford... did you ever get to play a Cordoba Fusion 12 or 14?
No, but I would like to.
Hello there. You make great content. I've watched your C9, C10, and C12 reviews. I have been playing steel string guitar for 8 months now (Taylor 114ce). I have been enjoying it so much I would like to get into classical. Having a budget of 1000-1500, what would you recommend given my limited experience and being 5'10"?
If it's your first guitar any of those Cordobas would be great. Just pick your budget and go. If you think you're in it for the long run go with the C10 or 12 if you can but really whatever you can afford.
@@Thisisclassicalguitar I just stopped by my local Guitar Center tonight and they had a beautiful new C9 on clearance for $410. I couldn't pass up on that price. Thank you for your insight.
Cedar top by the way...
@@LifezAGame that’s insane!!!!!! I’m looking for a Cordoba C9 Cedar top and they are $969. How’d you get such a bargain? How are you liking it so far?
@@gustavopaulette3496 I am really liking it. Its beautiful in sound and look!
I wonder why the lukewarm reception for non 4/4 sized moderns being played by adults. When you look at a lot of original Torres guitars, the bodies are like 7/8 with widths from 49 upward and scales as short as 635. A lot of pieces played now were never played on moderns during their composers' lifetimes. Wondering out loud after hearing Pepe Romero play Lagrima on a Torres that didn't look ful sized ...
Really? I have found people quite open to the idea of smaller scale lengths. That said, it's all based on a variety of variables and preferences. I love my 630mm Scott guitar.
What is the first song you played called?
The allamande from a Weiss suite: czcams.com/video/gqJVL5HiJwg/video.html
Hello, im undecided on different models, this has a rigid case or a polyfoam ?
This has their polyfoam case which I think is pretty good and nice and light.
Maybe it's an optical illusion on the video, but your hands don't appear small to me (compared to mine).
Well, it's a small guitar so maybe my hands look normal.
Any wood top preference for the C10? Reading a lot of people like cedar for the C12 and spruce for the C10
I would go with cedar for both guitars. In general I think it performs better even if the spruce sounds pretty good. Since they are a bit overbuilt the cedar response is better.
@@Thisisclassicalguitar Thanks for the response. I think I'm going to get a C10 Cedar after much deliberation
Do you feel $500 is a good price for the c10 parlor?
Ya, that sounds like a great prince for a C10.
I wonder whether you have come across a Manual Raimundo TR signature guitar and what your thoughts might be about it?
No, but I'd be interested in reviewing one if i get my hand on one.
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I'm getting pain from arthritis in my left thumb and having difficulty playing due to this. Will a smaller scale guitar help?
It 'might' help but working on the techniques that trigger it the worst is likely more helpful. It really depends on quite a few variables.
@@Thisisclassicalguitar Thanks! I really appreciate everything you do. Actually, I could hardly write before I started playing again and now my hand pain has lessened somewhat. I have boney nodules at the joints and some deformity. My left hand is worse since I'm left-handed. I quit playing for a couple of years and lost strength and flexibility.
Do you offer online lessons with specifics
I have many many lessons at my page: www.thisisclassicalguitar.com/lessons/
Just cause you’re small doesn’t mean taller people shouldn’t play them. If someone is coming from electric guitar after many years of developing technique accordingly a smaller scale is best. Also everyone has different hands, some people’s pinkys also naturally curve inward, making full size very difficult.
What is your opinion about Alhambra guitars, P7 and P9?
I haven't tried them, but if I get my hands on them I'd certainly do a review.
@@Thisisclassicalguitar this would be greatly appreciated! Thanks for the reply. 👍
Why do Cordobas sound bright? Is it the strings or the guitars?
Have you heard them in person? I think they are fairly warm. The thing is, concert level instruments tend to have a bit of a hard edge to the sound so they can project clearly in halls so maybe I'm just used to that...
@@Thisisclassicalguitar Have never heard a Cordoba in person. Only luthier, including my Thames and an old Guild I keep in AZ for when I am there.
What do you think of Calido guitars?
I haven't had a chance to try them yet. They look cool though with lots of modern options.
It looks big on you like it’s a regular size (:
Action? Low or high?
Well, the truss rod makes it fairly adjustable along with a saddle or nut replacement. That said, all the Cordoba's have been pretty good for action.
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Ok lets talk turkey Cordoba is of late using a very glossy polyurethane finish as i had mentioned in an other video comment i sraped off the P.U finish and french polished my c7 .The result was an increase in voume and sustain if 40% (?) Im sure they think that it makes their guitars more salable but its killi g the sound tell them yo think about a cheap way to put a shellac alternitive . Futher the frets are not polished well they are not leveled either nor is the bridge and nut set up .but the best guitars need a set up by a real luthier .they also use a pealoid rosette wich is an insult to the guitar i cant imagine why they cant put a normal respectable rossete for $1000 talk to them they owe you big time
Which D'Addario strings do you have on there?
I use a hybrid set, more info here: www.thisisclassicalguitar.com/classical-guitar-store-reviews/
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Little girls have small hands such a guitar is perfect the frets are sharp but as all guitars it need set up and fret leveling anyhow
The frets on all the other Cordoba's I've tried are great so I wouldn't worry about it.
made in China??? does that make any difference from made in Spain series? what??
I think there is something about Spain and guitars that actually make Spanish built guitars cost more even if the quality is reduced. It doesn't matter where its made, the more important issue is quality control at the retail company side to check for errors.
What do you think of the new Taylor 12 N classical guitar