Minigun is a great example of how stupid Bethesda's concept of balancing weapons to have the same DPS, giving low power to anything with high fire rate, was. I'm not sure how this got implemented all the way without someone saying "Why would anyone pick a faster weapon when ammo is a resource?", because the question is blindly obvious to anyone with a pulse.
Many companies do this. It’s just a lazy form of balancing. Therefore you have lever actions and muzzleloaders that hit like .50 cal just because they fire and reload very slowly. It’s rare but nice to see when it’s not done this way.
How would you balance a game when weapons range from single barrel shotguns to handheld miniguns? If you want to have that spectrum - which is necessary in the Fallout world - you kind of have to nerf the minigun in some way.
@@jackmclane1826 Same basic idea New Vegas did: The single barrel shotgun's advantage is its obtainable early game, the minigun is much harder to use, and is overkill/waste of ammo on soft targets
I have probably accidentally killed myself more with the explosive minigun than enemies actually killing me. It is probably the most destructive weapon you can get in Fallout 4 if you are lucky enough
I can't think of a single reason to ever use the Fallout 4 Minigun unless you happen to find one with Furious, Explosive, or Wounding. Even then, the gun is still too heavy, too inaccurate, and too ammo hungry for the damage it inflicts. You'd be better off dropping it the minute you find almost any other ballistics weapons with those legendary effects. They took a weapon that should have been powerful, and nerfed it to the ground so that they could hand it to a level 1 character and not make them overpowered. It's a damn shame.
The Minigun is a prime example of how a single modifier turns it from a very mediocre weapon to the most blatantly overpowered weapon in the game when the Explosive effect is added. Demolition Expert, Heavy Gunner, Bloody Mess and Explosives Bobblehead stack with each other and end up creating a monster of a weapon that can shred through crowds and obliterate even the meanest enemies in the game in a matter of seconds.
I second that, in addition to it being so much fun to fire. No idea if the dps is better than a bleed affix'd minigun but bleed weapons are so boring that for me there is no contest, explosive all the way!
The Explosive effect is the winner when it comes to raw damage but it requires heavy perk investments to max out it's true power. At full strength the Explosive Minigun can deal a whopping 112 damage per *bullet.* The Wounding Minigun is much better to find during the early game since bleeding has no resistances whatsoever and completely ignores damage resistances. No matter how armored an enemy is, they can tank a bullet and take 1 point of damage but the full 25 bleed will happen regardless. The best investment for a Wounding Minigun is adding the High Speed Barrel to stack the bleeding effect at a higher rate. @@Fastwinstondoom
Sucks that you can't effectively do a Heavy Weapons only build early on because of how bad this weapon is. There was a mod that increased its dmg by 50% making it A tier but that's only if you play on PC.
I got an explosive minigun once. It was so fun to use even after accidentally killing myself with it multiple times. That one legendary effect takes a D tier weapon into SSS tier.
The shredder attachment has a unique property. You can use it to bash without action points if you are in power armor with an active fusion core. That's quite nasty. Otherwise its a pretty drek weapon . You'd assume steady aim is a good perk for this but it probably doesn't matter much and the 3rd rank is basically useless . If damage is totaled with Heavy Gunner is 1 point extra max
Weirdly enough if you dump points into basher the shredder mod is disgusting it’s basically a better ripper that can chew up enemies from a distance as you approach.
I dont do heavy weapons so I find on average 1 explosive minigun within the 20 first levels per playthrough. And a freezing or radioactive flamer and dozen of that dammed harpoon gun. Rifles, on the other hand, I find a two shots radium rifles as soon as I past level 50 and that is it.
I give miniguns to my settlers who are assigned guard post duty. I also armor up all my settlers and arm them with automatic weapons (assault rifles/combat rifles mostly). Does this matter when defending a settlement or is it all just window dressing
I just get a mod that fixes it with Minigun Receivers and the base damage. I dislike the way they made the weapon so puny when it is a weapon that is supposed to shread anything that stands in its way. If you are playing Vanilla, either get lucky and get Wounding or Explosive.
so sad that there are no only power armor weapons... i hate bethesdas style of balance. why not make ammo less common for stronger weapons? that way you would feel smart and super strong when defeating bosses.
The mini is pitiful in FO4. It's an absolutely devastating weapon irl but thanks to Bethesda design logic, it's outclassed by a pipe pistol with an automatic receiver.
@@mmmapplesauce1673 I don’t really care for it in 3 or NV (haven’t played 76). The dps isn’t that great and it’s garbage at anything but very short range. By the time you can make it work on the ammo supply there are more effective gatling lasers for pure DPS anyway.
I've never been a fan of the heavy weapons but it's sad how bad the minigun is. It ends up being outclassed by every automatic weapon in the game. Even an automatic pipe pistol is better.
I have to disagree with you here, the minigun should be in F tier, that doesn’t feel low enough, it should have it’s own tier below F called the FO4 minigun tier, any gun is better than this, I would rather use a syringer over the minigun, even fully upgraded with all the relevant perks it’s basically useless, I don’t understand how Bethesda got this gun so wrong, the best advice you have in the video is to sell 5mm ammo, that would serve you better than using one of these things.
In FO4 minigun is a piece of junk. You use it once in Concord, then you forget about it entirely. Along all other heavy weapons. A pity, tbh. Heavy weapons are supposed to give you an edge, right?
Minigun is a great example of how stupid Bethesda's concept of balancing weapons to have the same DPS, giving low power to anything with high fire rate, was. I'm not sure how this got implemented all the way without someone saying "Why would anyone pick a faster weapon when ammo is a resource?", because the question is blindly obvious to anyone with a pulse.
I do agree with that.
Many companies do this. It’s just a lazy form of balancing. Therefore you have lever actions and muzzleloaders that hit like .50 cal just because they fire and reload very slowly. It’s rare but nice to see when it’s not done this way.
@@bjack1547 Aside from revolvers and pocket pistols, I'd expect most muzzle loaders to hit like *at least* a .50 cal...
How would you balance a game when weapons range from single barrel shotguns to handheld miniguns?
If you want to have that spectrum - which is necessary in the Fallout world - you kind of have to nerf the minigun in some way.
@@jackmclane1826 Same basic idea New Vegas did: The single barrel shotgun's advantage is its obtainable early game, the minigun is much harder to use, and is overkill/waste of ammo on soft targets
I have probably accidentally killed myself more with the explosive minigun than enemies actually killing me. It is probably the most destructive weapon you can get in Fallout 4 if you are lucky enough
Use power armor Or shoot while spamming the jump bottom this saved my life more than anything else
use full sentinel armor
I can't think of a single reason to ever use the Fallout 4 Minigun unless you happen to find one with Furious, Explosive, or Wounding. Even then, the gun is still too heavy, too inaccurate, and too ammo hungry for the damage it inflicts. You'd be better off dropping it the minute you find almost any other ballistics weapons with those legendary effects. They took a weapon that should have been powerful, and nerfed it to the ground so that they could hand it to a level 1 character and not make them overpowered. It's a damn shame.
I'm not even sure it was for the level 1 character use so much as Bethesda's generally dumb idea of high RoF=low power.
The gun better at bashing than shooting.
It honestly kind of is.
The Minigun is a prime example of how a single modifier turns it from a very mediocre weapon to the most blatantly overpowered weapon in the game when the Explosive effect is added.
Demolition Expert, Heavy Gunner, Bloody Mess and Explosives Bobblehead stack with each other and end up creating a monster of a weapon that can shred through crowds and obliterate even the meanest enemies in the game in a matter of seconds.
I second that, in addition to it being so much fun to fire. No idea if the dps is better than a bleed affix'd minigun but bleed weapons are so boring that for me there is no contest, explosive all the way!
I mean yeah. The explosive effect is busted.
The Explosive effect is the winner when it comes to raw damage but it requires heavy perk investments to max out it's true power. At full strength the Explosive Minigun can deal a whopping 112 damage per *bullet.*
The Wounding Minigun is much better to find during the early game since bleeding has no resistances whatsoever and completely ignores damage resistances. No matter how armored an enemy is, they can tank a bullet and take 1 point of damage but the full 25 bleed will happen regardless. The best investment for a Wounding Minigun is adding the High Speed Barrel to stack the bleeding effect at a higher rate. @@Fastwinstondoom
Sucks that you can't effectively do a Heavy Weapons only build early on because of how bad this weapon is. There was a mod that increased its dmg by 50% making it A tier but that's only if you play on PC.
Are you forgetting consoles have mods?
@@jordanclark4635 I think that mod specifically is only on the Nexus, which is PC only, but I could be wrong
Laser Musket would be a great thing to cover since it’s a quirky weapon and available super early.
I got an explosive minigun once. It was so fun to use even after accidentally killing myself with it multiple times. That one legendary effect takes a D tier weapon into SSS tier.
The minigun might be better if enemies weren't so ridiculously tanky.
The shredder attachment on any minigun can be its own S-tier build, let alone an Ashmaker build, don't get the ranking.
The shredder attachment has a unique property. You can use it to bash without action points if you are in power armor with an active fusion core. That's quite nasty. Otherwise its a pretty drek weapon . You'd assume steady aim is a good perk for this but it probably doesn't matter much and the 3rd rank is basically useless . If damage is totaled with Heavy Gunner is 1 point extra max
I'm doing a heavyguns playthrough currently. I downloaded a mod that "fixes" the mini gun that lets you mod the receiver. I do 59 damage per shot
Weirdly enough if you dump points into basher the shredder mod is disgusting it’s basically a better ripper that can chew up enemies from a distance as you approach.
Love this series so far, keep up the great work!!
Glad you enjoy it!
The shredder makes the minigun a surprisingly effective melee weapon, no need to carry a bunch of ammo then.
I dont do heavy weapons so I find on average 1 explosive minigun within the 20 first levels per playthrough. And a freezing or radioactive flamer and dozen of that dammed harpoon gun. Rifles, on the other hand, I find a two shots radium rifles as soon as I past level 50 and that is it.
Yeah I don't always use the heavy weapons in this either.
I give miniguns to my settlers who are assigned guard post duty. I also armor up all my settlers and arm them with automatic weapons (assault rifles/combat rifles mostly). Does this matter when defending a settlement or is it all just window dressing
I just get a mod that fixes it with Minigun Receivers and the base damage. I dislike the way they made the weapon so puny when it is a weapon that is supposed to shread anything that stands in its way. If you are playing Vanilla, either get lucky and get Wounding or Explosive.
30 AP is a lot, usually in fallout 4 I only have around 60 max AP
RIP to my boy the Minigun, victim of bethsoft having created f4 the way that it is
Please do the Knuckles next🙏🏻💚 thank you for covering fallout 4, watching these alongside my newest survival playthrough
so sad that there are no only power armor weapons... i hate bethesdas style of balance. why not make ammo less common for stronger weapons? that way you would feel smart and super strong when defeating bosses.
do you play on very easy just to get through the game cause you love it so much? lol
Usually I play on Survival, these videos are always recorded on Very Hard, because it makes it easier with the fast traveling for getting footage.
@@ReapeeRon the deathclaw in concord died very fast for very hard unless you had a leveled character already.
The mini is pitiful in FO4. It's an absolutely devastating weapon irl but thanks to Bethesda design logic, it's outclassed by a pipe pistol with an automatic receiver.
One of the absolute worst weapons in 4 ironically. Sad the 5mm isn’t used for other weapons. At least it’s good in 3, nv, and 76.
@@mmmapplesauce1673 I don’t really care for it in 3 or NV (haven’t played 76). The dps isn’t that great and it’s garbage at anything but very short range. By the time you can make it work on the ammo supply there are more effective gatling lasers for pure DPS anyway.
I've never been a fan of the heavy weapons but it's sad how bad the minigun is. It ends up being outclassed by every automatic weapon in the game. Even an automatic pipe pistol is better.
I have to disagree with you here, the minigun should be in F tier, that doesn’t feel low enough, it should have it’s own tier below F called the FO4 minigun tier, any gun is better than this, I would rather use a syringer over the minigun, even fully upgraded with all the relevant perks it’s basically useless, I don’t understand how Bethesda got this gun so wrong, the best advice you have in the video is to sell 5mm ammo, that would serve you better than using one of these things.
In FO4 minigun is a piece of junk. You use it once in Concord, then you forget about it entirely.
Along all other heavy weapons.
A pity, tbh. Heavy weapons are supposed to give you an edge, right?
Yeah I think they could have used a rework to be a bit better. Most of them are not the greatest.
I rate the Minigun a solid "L", for LET'S ROCK!!!