THE HUNGER GAMES is INTENSE! (Movie Commentary)
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THE HUNGER GAMES movie commentary
The Hunger Games is an intense movie well worth going back for a movie commentary video. It makes you think about the realities of how people operate and the things so many of us are willing to just not think about.
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Something that you wouldn't necessarily understand without the books. When Peeta threw Katniss the bread -- he burned it on purpose, knowing he would be abused, in order to throw it to her, so he really did go out of his way more than it makes it appear.
Not to mention that Katniss would’ve starved to death if he hadn’t thrown her the bread.
and something i really like is that his dad buys squirrels from katniss so in a way she's feeding him too
they can't afford their own bread (if it's good enough to sell, they have to sell it)
Yes. they imply it throughout the four films but it wasn't full out explained ever
I hate how they changed it in the movie...was that really necessary? Like why would they change that part.
@@sangriad.938 They didn't change anything, they just didn't make it very clear
The flowers on rue was because the cameras would never show such a humanizing moments but the capitol always shows the planes picking up the dead tributes. So they would have to show the flowers. It was one of the moments where Katniss fights back against the capitol that turned Katniss into a martyr in the eyes of the people.
Everyone in Panem is desensitized to what’s going on. Katniss was a g for the flowers. The scene in the book had me in tears
But are there any planes in the first movie? I was under the impression that the planes picked up the bodies in the second movie _because_ of what Katniss did, and they don't want a repeat. (But I haven't read the books, so maybe I'm missing something)
Yep. The hovercrafts (not planes) are seen briefly at the beginning when Gale and Katniss are hunting in the woods and at the end of the Games when Peeta and Katniss won. They’re not shown picking up the bodies in the first movie bc the budget for the cgi wasn’t there yet.
@@blackwhiteartistry733 that was more of a thing the first movie forgot to add or didn’t have the budget for that was in the books
@@blackwhiteartistry733if you haven’t read the books, I’d advise you to stop giving opinions about the legitimacy of the movie. There’s no reason for yapping at that point, no one wants to hear it if you don’t know wtf you’re saying.
The whole thing about Katniss and her mom is that when her dad died, the mom spiraled into debilitating depression and Katniss had to take care of her baby sister AND her mom as a child, she always saw her mom's inaction as a selfish act. She doesn't ever really forgive her for it.
I get that in a way. No child deserves that, and while i feel for the mom i understand why Katniss wouldn’t as the person who experienced it. Sad though :(
@@yikesmydude5641 it's just sad because she would have let her children die after losing her husband, but Katniss was keeping them all alive thanks to what her dad taught her and teaming up with Gale. Fortunately she steps up after the first book.
Yeah basically. She left her children to die
@@Lill2895 she kind of forgives her when Prim dies and keep in touch but she doesn’t go back with Katniss
thats kind of unfair, to both of them, like on one hand, that's not really the mom's fault, but on the other hand, she left her daughter in the lurch
The movies don’t make justice to the actual character that is Peeta. He’s supposed to be a crowd favorite, he has the charismatic persona thing down and thats why he is so important to the story and to Katniss. He was alway portrayed in the books as a kind, intelligent and charismatic person.
AGREED i feel like he's heavily underestimated. he's actually so brilliant in the books, i wish they showed that more
It's a shame that they downplayed it in the movies. I haven't read the books, and Peeta definitely didn't come across as very charismatic to me. I don't mind him, but yeah.
My first fictional crush
@@sproutyoon6128 yes especially him camouflaging himself in the forest background from his baking decoration skills
@@littlesparrow303 don't forget his painting skills too. This man is the whole package
Hearing Peeta talk about not wanting them to change him and use him as a piece in their games breaks my heart considering how his story goes from here
same
Same
@@MelaniePoparad ur making a chain aren’t u😂. to bad i have to break it ⛓💔
Awww damn. I never put that together.
omg no :(( because he becomes the most important piece in snow's game, that is HEARTBREAKING!!
Katniss is a dry, quiet protagonist but that’s because in the books she has a lot of thoughts and feelings, but learned at a young age to control them and keep them to herself.
literally this. Katniss has experienced so much trauma since she was a child, that she bears her emotions and doesn't know how to handle them. As a sort of protective gear, people who are unattached to their emotions, turn numb and only work through logic and survival. In the books you can notice this in Katniss's inner dialogue too: she thinks through logic, survival, and how others perceive things. Only as she gets to know Peeta, does she start to face these emotions that are weird and unknown to her, and even then she still suppresses them.
@@grillimauste8871 I think it’s her inner thoughts that make the hunger games so good!! If anything, seeing clips of the movie just makes me want to reread the books!!
another thing for haymitch is that in the novels it gives background to his character that we don't have in the movie. haymitch won his hunger games because he used the game's force field against his last opponent, they didn't like that so they killed his mother and younger sister so that even makes more sense of him being an alcoholic and having no hope at the beginning.
Don't forget the fact that his games were special and there were 4 tributes
@@a.g.demada5263 4 tributes per district, so twice as many kids overall. And after all that he probably had to deal with the same forced prostitution that most of the other champions had to go through
@@fuzzyapple I know, I read the books
@@a.g.demada5263 just wanted to clarify for everyone who didn't. "4 tributes" doesn't sound like a challenge
@@a.g.demada5263 4 tributes from each district or 4 tributes total?
Katniss's goes into a blind rage after Rue dies in the books - she acknowledges that she's an open target during the sentimental scene you mentioned but she doesn't care who sees her - she walks angrily and aimlessly hoping the careers find her because she would make them pay for Rue's death, but says she'd kill anyone she saw.
after rue died, district 11 pooled their money to send katniss a single piece of bread
it was originally meant for rue, but they sent it to katniss after rue died instead of thresh (the other person from 11)
katniss recognized it as being from 11 because peeta had explained all the different bread from each district to her (they were all available at a meal during training)
like one district has really pure white bread, another has multigrain....
34:20 she wasn’t mad because of his “crush” on her. She’s mad because he chose to train alone - leaving _her_ alone, and then turned around and did that
yeah if i recall correctly, part of her thought process was that he was playing some sort of game. saying she’d win but then training alone but then saying he liked her…
If I remember correctly, in the books, Katniss’ high rating was also kind of punitive. The Gamemakers thought that by giving her a high rating would cause her to be a target for the other tributes.
Yea the “mutt” dogs were definitely very disturbing. Especially when she realizes that they’re the dead tributes by the fact that the dogs have their eyes. It’s been a while but I believe she specifically saw Rue’s as well.
She did😭
@@anonymousotter664 I remember reading and analyzing it in 9th grade but we couldn’t watch the movie because it was too disturbing and violent for children.
They didn't actually use the dead tributes to create the mutts, they only resembled them so badly that it was a mindgame - they looked so much like the tributes to intimidate the remaining tributes.
@@buchbummelant8980 Thank you for clarifying. It’s been a while so I really just remember Katniss thinking how they looked like they were the tribute’s eyes. That makes more sense and now I can sleep better knowing that, although still creepy, they were mutated to grow human like eyes.
@@Hilo-gk3ix you're welcome. I read the books a couple times and because Englisch isn't my native tongue, I read that part a few times to understand it correctly. I also think Katniss reflects on them in later books when she thinks of mutts in general. The mutts with the tribute eyes and fur in the finale of the first Games, the use of Jabberjays to scream like loved ones in the second and the crocodile mutts who smell like roses and call Katniss by her name. They are all designed to create fear.
in the books, when katniss was starving and in the rain, peeta saw her and purposefully dropped the bread into the flame so it would burn, knowing that his mother would beat his ass for it and tell him to throw it to the pigs, so that he could go outside and toss it to her instead, and if it weren't for that she would not have had the hope to keep going and learn how to hunt. And that's why katniss is so pissed at him at first: she feels like she owes him a favor and can't kill him, which only complicates her feelings more when she finds out he has a crush on her (the scene in the movie also gets this point accross but its more seen as a "its a coincidence that i burned this bread so i can give it to you" and not as a sacrifice on his part cos he also showed up to school the next day with severe bruising on his head from his mother beating him)
omg i didn't know about that... thank you for sharing this info, things make more sense now
Also, I’m sure someone mentioned this, but in the books they had to listen to Cato being eaten alive all night. She couldn’t mercy kill him until the morning I believe because she couldn’t see him as he’s dragged inside the cornucopia structure.
also because her last arrow was being used for a tourniquet on peeta's leg but then he asked her to use it to put cato out of his misery
@@emmadavis7448 But in the books she has more arrows right? because she try to use one to kill Peeta when the announcer say It can only be one winner...
@@LOSTmyHOST I think that's the arrow that she originally shot at cato when he first came running out of the woods but it bounced off because of the body armor. don't 100% remember though
@@emmadavis7448 neither do I 😅
I just remember how she did not hesitate to pull the arrow and aim at him, and here in the movie she slowly turn around and pull the arrow.
i'm still amazed he lasted that long lmao like give it up bro you're finished 😆
Actually, the idea for Hunger Games came when Suzanne Collins was channel surfing and she saw an invasion of Iraq and then changed the channel and saw a game show. She said “the two of them began to blur in an unsettling way.”
The racism that happened when Rue was cast was disgusting and the fandom tries to pretend it didn’t happen but it did also SHE WAS ALWAYS BLACK
So true. I didn’t read the books until after the movie came out and when I heard about the racism drama, I was so shocked. It seemed so obvious to me that rue was black and the fact people said now they didn’t feel as bad about her death. It was just so disgusting.
So right. If you believed Rue shouldn't have been casted as black, you misunderstood the hole point of The hunger games.
Those people don't deserve to call themselves fans of the franchise.
I never realized this even happened till I saw a video about what happened and like omg it’s such bs. Like seriously ppl are disgusting
Wow really?
I didn’t even know about that.
I always assumed she was black
For real! People seemed so angry, saying they didn't care that she died because of her race. Absolutely vile, such shameful behaviour from grown adults bullying a child.
It’s also interesting how the movies were marketed to us with emphasis on romance of Katniss and Peeta, just like the Capitol to the Districts
In Germany they promoted the love triangle with Gale and I hated it so much that I didn't pick it up until I saw the movie and realised that the love triangle part is really small. Regret not reading it before watching the movie, but I nevertheless love the movie and really appreciate the deep immersion that's possible while reading.
This is a great comment.
"Makes sense then why it's a YA novel." ... Fun fact about book classifications I learned while working in the industry. The designation for 'Young Adult' for books came from the main character's age, not the target demographic. Similarly to how mystery books are *about* a mystery. Romance novels are *about* a romance. Young Adult books are *about* a young adult.
It's contrary to what most think, because children's books are usually categorized by age ranges, and YA seems like the next step.
Very interesting. Thank you for sharing.
HUH? that's so weird because a lot of writers especially YA write more for the target audience which was why I got tired of it for a while. Nice to know that my target audience can be broader.
True but I've also heard a lot of authors who write and ask for the book to be deemed NA (New Adult) and are forced into YA because YA is more "marketable".
this is so cool to know ty
This is so true. I Always see the book "a court of thorns and roses" have a Sticker on it's Back that says the recommended age is 14 and up. I don't know if any of you have read that book but it has some/multiple szense where the character are straight up having sex or are being tortured and the characters are sometimes Just NOT in the right head spaces. Also detailed descriptions of death and murder. Now i AS a 14 year old Back then wouldnt have minded reading that bc i was already more ahead but i am pretty certain there are 14 year olds who are Not ready to read this book series. Thats why Always when i see that age recommendation i Tell the employee so they can Tell unexpecting parents who might buy it for their children or for other Younger people asking about it.
Katniss saying the words “I volunteer!” was a cultural reset.
I remember one of my teachers used that scene as a meme on their presentation
She was the very first volunteer in her district
Kids today will never know THE PAIN and the joy we went through with this series. Susan collins was in her bag with this series
I went to a concert (can't remember which but remember this so that says alot)
Every like...5 minutes they played a very loud and intense commercial for the first movie.
I know you all know which one I'm talking about. The earth stood STILL
Agreed. This movie hit me hard seeing it so young. And it hit my boyfriend pretty hard when he watched the whole series for the first time with me a few months ago
Another great series from Suzanne Collins is the Underland Chronicles, it's so GOOD 😊🥰
@@16taysia I LOVE THOSE BOOKS
@@16taysia I forgot she also wrote those too 💀
I think in the book it touches on the fact that Peeta’s family is a little better off than the rest of the people in the Seam bc they provide the baked goods for the highest officials in their town. Still subjugated obviously, but they have more money & access to quality food goods I.e. pretty cakes bc they make it for the people who are allowed to have it.
^ yes, this
Yes! I can’t remember exactly, but weren’t they forbidden from eating the luxurious goods? Like they were allowed to make them but not allowed to partake in them?
yes, but also, they can't actually afford the food they make - if it's good enough to sell, they sell it
katniss thought they'd always have access to the good food but in reality they don't, just better than what she was getting until she started hunting
peeta's dad buys her squirrels, so clearly he doesn't have that much money (otherwise he'd buy meat from the butcher)
@@SkwithOv true, Peeta's family eat only the things they can't sell and the district 12 is too poor for buying meat
I can’t remember exactly, but in the books didn’t the capital also buy the cakes?
It's weird that you mentioned that the butterfly could be poisonous because, during Haymitch's Hunger Games, the butterflies WERE poisonous!
Jennifer Lawrence got shit for her quiet performance. But that's who Katniss is. In the books she is incredibly internal. Doesn't show emotion often. When she does it hits hard.
Edit: not only are dogs in the clothes. They have the faces of fallen tributes. It was genuinely terrifying. Suzanne Collins has dabbled with horror elements. But she could legit do a full horror book.
The movies don't really explore just how unfair the selection process is. The poor districts don't train, not only because they don't have the resources to do so, but because they have no time for it, they have to work to be able to eat every day. They lose more often because of this, but also because they are weaker, too, since they are malnourished. The rich districts have time, resources and trainers. They also don't live with the worry of whether or not they will be chosen, because they know there's people who professionally prepare to go and will volunteer. Not only that, but your name is added once for each year you are eligible, except it's also added more and more times if you ask for food to survive (that's why Katniss tells Prim to not ask for more food, and why Gale's name is entering 47 times when he's not even 18).
So his name is added 47 times because he asked for more resources and food ?
@@blonde__atsuko3576 I got the number wrong, it was 42 and not 47, but yes. He's asked for rations for his siblings (3, I think) each year he's been eligible. I don't remember how old he is, but he's not yet 18 (given that 18 is the last year you're eligible).
Collins did make sure to capture how the poor are always the ones being fucked over
i think we can all agree that this franchise gave birth to the greatest movie ever made, catching fire. literally a flawless film from start to finish
Much like the second book, the second movie is easily my favorite in the trilogy
It also led to a funny and absurd parody movie. The Starving Games.
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@@stuffwithsoph8264 he spoke nothing but the truth in that video
@@lance8334 FR
What I love so much about Katniss and Peeta as a team is that they complement each other, while Katniss plays the game inside the arena, Peeta is a master in the game played outside of it. They are both brilliant and they play their parts so well it makes them unstoppable when together.
i always forget this but in the book katniss says that the arenas are all preserved for capitol tourists. people from the capitol could literally go on vacation and see all the best parts of the games and participate in reenactments of different iconic fights.
I really love Katniss' devotion towards her little sister Prim. It's been theorised that Katniss has PTSD prior to the Games because she was forced to provide for her family after their father died and their mother checked out of the family. Prim doesn't have PTSD because she had Katniss looking out for her, while Katniss had no one.
Exactly! I love how they tie that in with her panic at the reaping bc she's not used to this reality, she didn't have to face the same hardships as katniss because she has someone. She even has something as luxurious as a PET IN DISTRICT 12 because katniss made sure she was provided for
Cinema Therapy did two episodes on Katniss experiencing both PTSD and CPTSD throughout the series
Yeah, I've never read the book or seen the movie or anything, but I can say with reasonable objectivity that pretty much everyone who's lived with these characters' types of chronic traumas has, does, and/or will experience a degree of PTSD from it, or at least stress-related physiologic changes that make them more predisposed to experiencing PTSD.
37:37 Okay, you touched on one of the few things they don’t allow in the Games. They caused an avalanche to kill a tribute who went full cannibal one year, so there’s no biting other tributes.
well Enobaria's teeth were sharpened to points specifically to bite tributes. They don't want them being eaten though
@@LuminousArc92The thing is Enobaria wasn't biting people in the arena, she ripped someone's throat with her teeth on their last fight, and then, after her games she sharpens them to keep the persona, but she didn't go full on cannibal like the avalanche kid.
@@LuminousArc92 They don't go into to much detail in the movies. But when you win the games your life does not go back to normal, you are 'pimped' out by the capital against the will and become a seggz object. Let me remind you this is for children as young as 12. The only reason Katniss and Peeta avoided this fate is because they became known as a couple, making them unmarketable as a segz object.
They had to kill of one woman for resorting to Cannibalism because she became 'unmarketable' as a seggz object after eating somebody.
I don’t think it’s really that they aren’t allowed to bite other tributes, it’s just they’re marketed as sort of “celebrities” during the games and when they win, and are used to make a profit off of. Since that tribute went crazy and cannibalized someone, they probably realized most people would be horrified by that (which is ironic given that they’re entertained by the monstrosities that go on in the arena) and decided that since it would be hard to market a cannibal they weren’t a suitable candidate for a victor.
The books are so goood.... By reading them, you get a sense of how Katniss thinks. How she makes strategies, how she analyses everything. And it's really interesting to see the mind of somebody who survives through all that. And you get a much broader idea of the Panem, its people, its traditions. Also, I would argue that in many aspects of her personality, Katniss is not a bland protagonist, especially in the book.
yes, in the books you get a sense of their being a lower class or servant class in The Capital and that it is mostly filled with people who spoke out against The Capital and is one of the reasons that people are more likely to play along. It has been years since I read them, but that was what I remembered.
As someone who read the books through so many times, I know there are things movie makers have to cut for the sake of time. But one thing I really disliked in the movies was how they showed Katniss getting her Mockingjay pin.
In the movie she just randomly happens to pick it up, but in the books she gets it from Madge, a girl who’s basically Katniss’ only other friend aside from Gale. They wrote her completely out of the movies which annoyed me since she was an important part of Katniss’ support system, and she was just a fun character.
Also they portrayed Peeta a lot less charismatic and sympathetic than he was in the books. It shows that the bread-burning scene as an intentional act to help her knowing he’d be beaten by his mom for it. Peeta is shown to always be kind to others, and especially does everything for Katniss’ sake. Also it was probably cut for ratings sake but he loses a leg in the first game
And another thing! You were both right about how many times/ways Katniss could have killed the other tributes, but in the books it's explained that Katniss has a very righteous and defiant attitude about killing - she struggles with taking life and believes it changes her identity and makes her a bad person even though she's been forced into it, she judges herself. She only kills when absolutely necessary to save someone's life, and usually she takes the most indirect way possible (e.g. the beehive). It becomes a huge part of her character arc moving forward - that she is only able to trust people who view killing as always bad, never OK.
This also plays into her choice to let Gale(Gail? I can’t remember how it’s spelled) go because he becomes so hungry for war and is ok with killing others as punishment in the end and Peeta ends up being the person who cares for her and understands her like no other person could. I love how in the end their love is natural and based off the fact that they bring out each other’s positive sides and are each other’s comfort.
Haymitch's story is explored in the book. Basically he won by using the edge of the arena as a weapon, and people saw it, just like with Katniss, as a disrespect to the Capitol. All of his loved one were killed by Snow and the Capitol made an example of him of what happens to those who do not comply. He then spent over 2 decades mentoring kids from his district year after year.
The one thing that keeps me wanting to reread the books instead of just watching the movies (since the movies are a little less dark than thr books and won't send me spiraling, im looking at u book three) is that, in this movie at least, you dont see katniss really fighting for peeta after she learns to care for him. It always seems like she's only tolerating his existence so that she can look good for the camera (while true on some levels, she also truly did want peeta to stay alive and come home with her). There's a scene at the end when they were proclaimed winners and were brought up in the hovercraft things, they had ti separate them because peeta was 2 seconds away from dying to blood poisoning from the wound in his leg and katniss was going rabid trying to break the glass separating them because she didnt want them to touch him. When she found out he lost his leg in the process she blamed herself entirely for putting it in a splint, and even cried onstage and had to be consoled by both peeta and ceasar to calm down
Omg, seriously?! I'm gonna have to re-read the books. Which book/chapter was this scene in?
@@Jiinx123 its the first book, idk the exact chapter but its like right after it was announced that they won the games
cato was wearing armor everywhere except his face (and hands) in the books, which is why it took so long for him to die from the wolves and katniss eventually killed him as an act of kindness because he was in such bad shape
it was like super fine chain maille or something like that, so he had been bitten and stuff but it was all blunt damage and not puncture wounds because the wolf bites couldn't get through the armor - at least from what i remember
Peeta and Katniss also had to listen to him be mauled all night because he was dragged into the cornucopia and it was way to dark for Katniss to get a clean shot before she could finally mercy shoot him, the books just don't hold back on the gory details horrifyingly beautiful work
@@abbythyst YES he was moaning in in pain there for hours until dawn when she could see him well enough
Another thing to remember about Peeta besides the fact that his mother horribly abused him was that he had TWO older brothers and after Katniss volunteered for Prim, his brothers said/did NOTHING and basically sent him off for slaughter, along with his mother basically telling him Katniss will win even if it means his death. And even with all that Peeta always did everything he could to sneak Katniss food in the District (the burned bread), protect her in the games (join the alliance just to keep them away from her), and even before the games with the crush comment. He LOVES her more than anything, and he'd do anything to keep her safe even if it means putting his own life in danger, revealing his feelings and knowing she probably won't feel the same because of Gale and facing that heartbreak, and everything else. Peeta starts off loving Katniss and proving how much he loves her throughout the series, Katniss starts the series not liking Peeta much but growing to love and appreciate him for the beautiful person he is. And we won't talk about how Gale fucked up majorly later on, no spoilers here :)
Peeta had two older brothers but only one was able to volunteer for him as the eldest was older than 18 at that point. But point still remains that at least one of his brothers did nothing! Love the HGs and I think the films did a good job overall (obv books are always better imo cause they include every little detail of the story) but I think the films did Peeta wrong. They left out a lot of important things and the strength he has as a person, plus the true impact he has on Katniss. Book Peeta is amazing and even though I still like him in the films, he's definitely a lot more bland.
Completely leaving out the amputation was so dirty
In case you didn't know: when Peeta gets his let bitten by that dog monster, in the books he actually loses his leg and wears a prostetic leg on the sequels.
I think they did a pretty good job with these movies compared to other book to movies adaptations, the only thing is that bothers me is that I feel like they messed up how they portray Peeta so a lot of people get more negative opinions on him when he’s so important in the books. I think the actor is perfect for his character, they just changed or added in stuff that builds up so his character doesn’t seem as useful and likeable as he’s supposed to be. Like his character is someone that everyone agrees in the books is too good for this whole thing. The main thing with Katniss she has a personality of a stick so it is Peeta who is the likeable one, and katniss is more confused because he’s so nice that she doesn’t trust it and is annoyed at how much she feels like she owes him because he always does stuff to save her life and make her look better, when she doesn’t return the favour and often makes things a bit worse for him.
Like I don’t know how they could mess up the scene with him throwing her the bread that badly? It didn’t come off how it does in the books at all and how grateful Katniss is because he really saved her life and risked himself getting beat up from his abusive mother for it.
For real. Peeta is a 10 in my book (intuitive, intelligent, great spoken, kind, pure. He played the crowd of Capitol City like a BOSS without his contribution Katniss would have been with her ass down) so its always frustrating when people who only saw the movies are like "hes meh"...😮💨
oh wow i didn't know that peeta was disliked this much by the public... i have never read the books but absolutely love how he was portrayed in film adaptation as someone who is intelligent, kind and selfless
@@anxietina_ it’s gotten better now but it was really bad for years… if you liked Peeta especially in 2012ish it was rough, especially since people found gale hotter and the dark brooding man was more liked. Peeta was hated on for being ‘weak’ and ‘useless’ and too soft. People heavily misunderstood his character and I’m glad majority of people get it now, especially since people have gotten older. I do still admit that Josh Hutcherson is great, it’s not his fault but movie peeta was still done justice compared to book peeta. Josh Hutcherson would’ve ate book Peeta’s lines and personality up as well
Also, it's interesting how most people view Peeta helping the alliance as betraying Katniss. To me, he was saving her. He already assumes he's going to die, so he figures the only benefit he can bring to the game is to help her, so he claims because he's so close to her he can track her. The whole time he's leading them off away from her.
They could probably have used their own tracking skills to track her to the tree she was hiding in, but then he claims he sees evidence of her going off in from there, so despite not seeing any evidence of her moving on, they believe he sees more and follows him.
This makes much more sense later on when he helps her escape while she's delirious and vulnerable to attack.
Something that you both picked up on in regards to Peeta having access to the resources necessary for something as 'luxurious' as decorating cakes, is actually addressed somewhat in the books! Peeta, with blonde hair and blue eyes, actually comes from the merchant part of District 12 which is the more wealthy section of the district. Of course, District 12 is the poorest in the entire country so the wealthiest within the poorest region isn't much but it's enough for someone like Peeta's father to buy squirrels from Katniss.
yes, we also learn Katniss's mother was originally from the Seam but ran off with Katniss's father and Peeta's father is hinted to have liked her mother growing up, might also be why he was sympathetic to Katniss and buying her illegal game where Peeta's mother chased her away from her trash when 11 year old katniss was starving on the verge of death
@@abbythyst The Seam is actually the name for the poorest part of District 12 so the mum wasn't from the Seam she just moved there after marrying Katniss's dad.
@@no.1garlicbreadenthusiast my brain mixed up the two areas names haha when I wrote this it was 4 am my local time and was sleep deprived brainrotted lmaooo but yeah you are absolutely correct
@@abbythyst Hey no problem. I totally get that sometimes the brain can get a little muddled lol.
it’s hinted at in the books and in the movie that the redhead girl (she’s called fox face in the books) killed herself. since she was easily identifying all the plants during the training scene, it follows that she would know what nightlock was and its effects but ate it anyway.
Mostly just in the movie, in the books there really isn’t anything to suggest that, we see her laugh in the debris of the careers exploded stuff, she finally had a chance to win.
It’s not hinted in the books at all that she did that, there’s nothing about her being an expert at plants at all in the books, she’s been surviving on stealing bits of food other people have gathered in small quantities so it isn’t noticeable. So the fact Peeta had the berries made foxface think the berries were fine to eat. The thing about her deliberately killing herself is just a theory people made up from the movie
There's another theory saying she thought the berries were good after seeing Peeta taking it so she stole it
woopsie, it’s been a while since i read the books. thanks for the correction
guys!
Also technically she is just playing memory in the movie, nothing there about recognizing or identifying plants
Cina's death continues to hurt me. He's a representation of those in the system who are trying to slowly change things inside out, make those changes sustainable and buildable... and thus once found out has their throat slit. Every. Single. Time. I hate it. And it hasn't changed.
In the books, the first game she's not into him until the end and she starts to question herself if she meant what she said and did for Peeta in the game and it grows more as a survivor love until the end when she lost everything she tried to protect by volunteering in the first place
I feel like Josh Hutcherson is a bit underrated as an actor. In Journey to the Centre of the Earth he played off Brendan Fraser’s humour well, and in The Vampire’s Assistant you got to see a little bit of a darker side, over-theatrically camp as it was.
I love Josh, he deserves more love.
Don't forget Bridge to Terabithia! He did amazing in that movie
He was a great child actor
@@skyemadisyn163 like he was THE child actor. Literally the blueprint of child acting for a generation. I’d say it’s been passed down to McKenna Grace now. And then maybe also Jacob Tremblay and the Stranger Things actors (though if we’re going by number of projects then McKenna and maybe Jacob resemble Josh’s early discography more)
@@michaela_the_creative9412 that shit had me SOBBING as a kid
@52:40 Katniss actually did loose hearing in one ear after the blast (and Peeta did loose his leg from a mutt biting him at the cornucopia) in the novel, but of course this is a movie so therefore the characters can't possibly become disabled from their injuries otherwise more energy and planning out would have to be used to include that in the story and we can't have that!
You should definitely read the books, Stef! They are so much better than the movies (like the majority of book-to-film adaptions, it’s impossible to fit everything that makes the books great into a 2 hour movie).
In my opinion, reading the books is definitely worth it, every single character is so much more complex and deep in them.
President Snow in my opinion in an excellent villain in terms of being a dictator. He's not disillussioned like the rest of the capitol, he's aware of the long term game thats being played with the public and how to keep their way of life going. And as a villain this move only gives you a taste of what he's capable of, I think as the films went on his character only got more intriguing for me as we learn one of his favorite methods of control "Waste Not"
He’s essentially the Tywin Lannister of Hunger Games, right up to the fact that he literally turned the Capital and the empire around when he became president just as tywin brought the Lannister name and family to prominence after his weak father let their family name fall low.
I loved how in "A Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes" we get a more intimate look at how calculating he is
I love that we actually see Katniss break down. Especially after that strong moment of laying Rue down to rest. The highest victors hold the hardest pains- and often we don’t see them. Especially in shows, especially true grief
it's been years since i read the books but one thing i remember and appreciate is that peeta doesn't hold it against katniss that she doesn't have romantic feelings for him. they have a connection now, a fecked up experience they share, one that hardly anyone, no one else from their district, could ever truly imagine. he understood earlier than her that all of this is a game, how this tv show works, and he cannot and does not blame her for needing to survive. he knows his family can survive without him, as heartbreaking and painful that is, but he also knows that katniss' family would have a far harder time surviving without her.
at the end of the day, they're also comprimising. katniss never wanted and doesn't want to be a symbol for the revelution. but neither can escape this. however, even if not romantic or sexual, peeta is the closest person to her, because of that shared experience, the shared trauma that's ongoing and doesn't stop. i love this series
I do feel sorry even for the Career-ers (the "professional" volunteers from districts 1 & 2) Having spent their entire childhoods being trained to murder other children, I doubt empathy or compassion was something that was taught to them. So even their sociopathy is something artificial, forced by the Capital putting the districts in that position in the first place. And even the Career-ers and their districts wouldn't participate if the Capital didn't force them.
Just to comment on the "why is Katniss so upset that he professed his romantic feelings for her on a public platform" question. There is something very (albeit unintentional in this context) manipulative about someone putting you in the position of being the "bad guy" if you don't reciprocate their feelings. Kinda like a person who proposes to you in public because they know you're less likely to say no.
A few things I wanted to add as someone who read the books more than watching the movies; katniss’ father made the bows, weapons like that were explicitly banned but he made bows and sold them on the black market as well as him and Katniss hunting and selling game. The peacekeepers from district 12 barely stayed above the poverty line and there were several that would buy game off katniss. Gale and Katniss at one point witnessed a girl and a boy running away from the capitol from their vantage point in the forest, the boy is speared through the chest from one of those hover crafts and the girl was captured. The girl was turned into an Avox (low level servant who has their tongue removed) that serves Katniss during her stay at the Capitol throwing into question how much President Snow knows about her. Katniss and Peeta both get sick off the food from the train, it’s super rich compared to what they’re used to. Katniss also spends a decent amount of time trying to figure out how to recreate the food there for her sister. Katniss genuinely thinks Peeta is just mocking her by saying he has a crush on her, her being liked by him is not something she actually believes for most of the trilogy. She sees being loved and loving in return as a sign of weakness, her mother completely shut down after her father died and so her risk assessment is based off of that. Katniss does look to be a fairly characterless-character from the movies but katniss genuinely spends a lot of the books reinforcing that showing emotion was a weakness. The capitol actually polices how tributes are allowed to kill each other, it has to be hands on enough to make good theatre but not so hands on that viewers start to realize that they’re actually watching children kill each other for sport. Finally, Peeta actually loses his leg, idk whether in the movies they just avoid confirming it directly or if they just never have him lose it but the tourniquet katniss does to keep him from bleeding out eventually kills that leg as leaving zero blood flow for an entire limb for hours will do. Also the explosion at the Career’s camp permanently damaged katniss’ hearing but it’s fixed post game by Capitol surgeons, the same ones responsible for Peeta’s new leg.
Edit: the dogs can climb, they know to stack on top of each other. Also it’s mainly the eyes on the dogs, katniss notices Rue’s eyes in one of the dogs and basically loses it.
It's interesting that every single thing you guys point out as a fallacy in the movie is well explained in the books. Shows how good those books were.
No one talks about the fabulous costumes of this movie, especially the ones Elizabeth Banks wears.
The dressing team was amazing
I know Modern Girls has a video analyzing Effie's outfits throughout the franchise and how they reflect her character. It's a really good video if you want to check it out.
@@megansandau5833 I loved that video!
@@megansandau5833 You’re a person of art and culture if you watch ModernGurlz Videos.
@@PokhrajRoy. Glad to find fellow ModernGurlz fans in this reply thread. Also, just realized my phone autocorrected Gurlz in my initial reply.
This movie feels so plausible right now, it’s even more impactful than when it released. Which is super depressing, but also why it holds up so well.
Fun Fact: The girl who plays Glimmer, the blonde girl who had the arrows first, actually auditioned for the role of Katniss 🖤
Hell yeah, so glad to hear your take on these franchise which has been one of the best adaptation in the teen dystopia genre.
Katniss' character is really interesting to follow, as she is a strong female character but led mostly by empathy.
She is not the typical strong female character "girlboss" without emotion, and she admits throughout the series that she doesn't want to be a symbol or a hero, she just wanted to save her sister and caught up in a terrible mess, in a deeply unfair society.
I think you guys would like the books. You get a lot more about Cinna (and Katniss' style team), he is a great character, and you get a lot more about Peeta which I think makes him more likeable.
Also, one thing they do shy away from in these movies, and I can understand why, but it's the physical injuries they sustain. They portray the psychological well, but Katniss and Peeta have a lot of physical, permanent injuries they endure throughout all three books.
Oh yeah, Peeta loses a leg in the books, doesn’t he?
@@Heretic_Jones yes from that wound that happens in this movie.
@@Heretic_Jones Katniss also goes deaf in one ear and in mockingjay she is severely burned among other things, the movies 1000% gloss over the physical consequence of the games and war
These dumbass motherfuckers aren’t smart enough to finish the books. They get messages and stories wrong all the time
I think for Katniss by the end of the first games she had a hard time differentiating between her potential actual feelings for Peeta and her fake ones that were mainly for show so they could survive during the games. Maybe that's why she kept away from him after the first games were over and they returned home. You could tell in the books that her feelings started to develop after the first games from all the time they spent together before they were forced to go back into the second games again.
True and she really feel something during the kiss on the beach
I love how you guys mention the two main ships already in the very beginning of this video. Because in the books, these ships don't really matter much. The whole time Katniss is just doing what she can to survive and is not even thinking about romance because she's too traumatized and too focused on survival. When the movies came out they heavily started marketing on the romance aspect and the love triangle, doing the whole 'team Gale' and 'team Peeta' thing. Which is exactly what the Capitol would have done (and did). Strip away the rebellion and the critique of the government and focus on the romance. Suzanne Collins worked in showbizz and had a lot of criticism about it before writing these books, and that really shows. Especially because she pretty much predicted how the movies would be marketed by how the capitol only focused on the love story as well.
One thing about the mutts that I (barely) remember reading from the books (I’ve read the books like 9-10 yrs ago so I may not remember this correctly) was that their eyes were made to look like the dead tributes’. So when they looked into the eyes of the mutts, Katniss, Peeta and Cato were reminded of the dead tributes
Yeah, the way I always interpreted it (mostly because the alternative is 100x more horrific) is that the Game-makers deliberately engineered the dogs to imitate the hair color, eye color, face shape, and size of the dead tributes to mess with them psychologically, but that they were just that: Mutts. Not the real kids’ corpses reanimated… ☹️
@@IvoryAspen97 Ah, right! Not just the eyes. I think I remember Katniss even recognized Glimmer? I can’t really remember much of it but yeah. That was horrifying to read as a teen 😰
@@TriceeXO agreed
@@TriceeXO she also recognized rue, being the smallest one
This franchise makes me CRY every time. When Rue died.... I was a mess. And the ending of Mockingjay Part 2????? My heart exploded. Love that you're watching this! Love you guys! I hope y'all are doing well!
I think the similarity between Battle Royale ends after the whole teens kill teens thing lol. Battle Royale for sure mentioned the government and the plight of kids due to adults, but Hunger Games has a completely different setting and feel. Both are great movies though.
But I really do love the Hunger Games books. It feels like a dystopian world that is very much capable of happening. The disparity between government and the people, food deserts, the rich pitting the poor against each other, uprisings? Just real life and turn it up to 1000 with great costumes lol.
I had felt that way based on the main plot, but my only real issue with how similar they get is the arena structure in catching fire since the danger zone/clock battlefield is very similar to battle royale. However I do think it is just taking inspiration from battle royale since it made it a bit more unique by adding specialty threats in those zones
I only watched it once, but I feel like Battle Royale was more about getting rid of kids who don't toe the line close enough. If anything, I feel like some Battle Royale type of stuff may have been something that precipitated the first uprising-that caused the war that the districts are now being punished for.
@@mandlerparr1 in the book of BR Is actually the same, so HG took a lot of inspiration
it's cool how katniss and peeta plant this seed of hope, starting with haymitch, that grows into the whole rebellion.
Something I liked in the books is when describing ceasar and his interviews katniss describes him as someone who does try to show the best sides of the tributes. Like he is still in a corrupt and awful system but almost in the same way as cinna he is trying to help the tributes the best he can.
5:16 imagine getting picked at 18. It's your last reaping, you went 6 years without getting picked and you just have to get through this last reaping and you'll finally be free. No more worrying about getting sent to the games, only to get picked just as you were about to be done with it
One reason I absolutely love the books is it explains Katness’ actions so much more. You know why she got defensive and panicked at the thought of Peeta making her look weak, you know why she gets the backpack in the area a because it explains her paranoia, what if it was a plan, what if Peeta and their mentor were in it to get her. Having her POV makes it so much more real and makes everything make a lot more sense when you can see the scared, paranoid, trauma filled thought process. the fact that Katness and Tue were together for a WHILE in the books. Also, the parachutes didn’t come with notes, it was all the timing. it was fully Haymitch and Katness just able to communicate because they are similar in how they think
The thing that always stood out to me when this franchise came out was how it reflected what happened in the books/movies. I remember when all anyone, literally anyone could talk about was Team Peeta vs Team Gale and nothing else and I saw it fly over people's heads
i actually really like the names in this
it's way better compared to some YA books where one person has a wild name and pretty much everyone else has a super basic name
there was a lot of thought put into it.... katniss and prim were named after plants in the meadow, where other characters from other districts (like glimmer) were named things that are more relevant to their own districts
and of course peeta is named after pita bread probably, considering his family runs a bakery
I agree, especially with how Katniss and Prim were probably named that way because of their father who knew all these plants. Katniss even mentions how people in the wealthier district always give their kids those really weird names when she hears Glimmer's name for the first time. And then ofc there's Peeta who is named after bread which is pretty much a hint to his importance in the entire series. Since bread is one of the main recurring themes. (Peeta saving Katniss with the bread, district 11 sending bread to Katniss after Rue dies and she gives her a proper farewell, the people who are in on the whole plan of breaking out of the second games communicating a time and date using sponsored bread, the bread, the mockingjay bread Bonnie and Twill had as a symbol of rebellion, 'bread and circuses').
@@Manon-nk4qu adding bread and circuses is huge in the story. panem is the latin word for bread from that saying panem et circenses
The author got the idea for this series while watching a documentary about children in war on tv while switching back and forth between a reality tv show. I've always thought that's so cool.
i will never stop being disappointed by the way this movie portrays peeta. they made so many changes that completely ruined his character in my opinion. they added scenes that make him look weak (like when he falls from the rope ladder?? what the heck is that!!!), removed lines that showed his actual personality (like when, in the book, he’s still joking around even when he’s basically dying because of his leg) or changed *katniss*’s lines to make her seem more tough & badass, which completely erased the “friendliness” between them (like when, in the book, they’re both worried about the fake flames on their costume and joking about ripping off each other’s cape in case it goes wrong. in the movie katniss is like “i’m not scared 😐” GIRL I READ YOUR POV I KNOW YOU WERE FREAKING OUT)
sorry it just bothers me so much because peeta is literally amazing and there is a reason why he is seen as a threat by katniss throughout most of the book (he literally got an 8!! that’s career level score!!) and he’s incredibly charismatic, something that katniss is not. that’s why they complete each other so well, and it’s important to understand that their relationship starts to develop in the first book, but the movie does. not. show. it. smh.
21:05 I obviously can't speak for everyone who's experienced poverty (and my worst experiences were still very much first-world-problems compared to those of the story's protagonists), but at least as someone who's got some experience on the poverty and homelessness curve, I think you guys (characteristically) were spot-on and very empathetically sensitive to the way someone with a background of scarcity/deprivation chronic trauma might feel or react to suddenly being plopped into an environment of materialistic opulence. Personally, the more I've lost and the longer I've lived with less, the more actively overwhelmed I get to be in a normal large suburban house with a normal amount of stuff in it, because it's just SO MUCH CRAP and SO MUCH MONEY and SO MUCH WASTE to wrap my head around at a time. Everyone is different and has different beliefs around possessions and wealth display, but you guys nailed how I'm sure I'd feel in the characters' position, and I think a lot of other people with backgrounds like mine can probably relate.
Okay so in defense of the tributes. This is not my writing. But it explains the nuance of the careers better than I could. Also I'm lazy.
"I definitely do not think the careers are evil or villains. They are raised on mostly capitol propaganda. They grow up believing that volunteering is the biggest honor in all of panem, that by doing so they are bringing pride and honor to their district because they are saving some random untrained child from a nearly guaranteed death. They don’t think like we do because they have been brainwashed their entire lives. They might come across like villains because they are playing a villainous character in the games. The books don’t mention the specifics of the training academies, but I bet they have all kinds of acting and presentation lessons to go along with the physical training. They all have a fully developed persona that they use from the very begging at the reaping. These kids know how to play up their characters so they can get sponsors before the games even start.
They are literally raised like pigs for slaughter. Told that it is their entire life purpose to murder other children, and (if they are lucky) live to come back home to help future kids do the same thing. For some of them you can tell the moment they realized their entire life was a lie right before they die and it is gut wrenching. Makes me sick.
They are victims just like every other tribute of the games. They have the privilege of training for the games. But the second they are put in training they sacrifice their childhoods and any shot of ever living a real life."
True, and I have to admit I felt bad for Cato at the end
if I rmb correctly once u turn twelve u can ask the government to give food but once u ask they put your name in the roster extra times, so when Katniss dad died and her mom was catatonic she was only eleven so she couldn't ask for the food and that's when Peeta gave her the bread like she was starving and no one would help her or her family, also u guys talked about training b4 the games and its actually a thing like the "richest" districts like 1, 2 and 4 actually have training schools were most tributes volunteer eventually but its also stated how specifically in district 12 they're at a disadvantage cuz in the other districts kids work in the respective districts occupation from a very young age so they have those skills (like that bomb in the games the kid from the district that works explosives fixed that up) but in district 12 which is mining you can only start working in the mines at 18
yes, it's called tessary and it gives a year of grain and oil per person in the family - so you can enter multiple times, once per person in your family, but the entries don't reset each year - so by the end you can have your name in 50+ times
Katniss would've definitely needed many more shots to adjust from a wooden bow to what is likely a much heavier, what looks like steel one. It was impressive she got the feel for it her second shot, and very clearly demonstrates her talent with a bow, which if *i* was gamemaker, would attribute to her score.
Reading the comments is reminding me of how much detail there is and how good this book series is. Makes me want to reread them.
I haven’t read the books for quite a few years but I vaguely remember at the back of the book it said the author was inspired by flicking through different tv channels, from a news coverage of children in a war torn country and a game show. Might be remembering wrong though 🤷🏻♀️
Edit: not sure if I’m remembering well but the servants in red in the penthouse (I forgot their name, Avox??) were people who had tried to escape and had their tongues ripped out…brutal
Btw, Primrose, Kat's sister, is 12. Also, something the books do better at explaining than the movies did is that the games are so different from year to year that they never know what they will be facing. Some Games are held in a desert environment, some are fully aquatic, some are in an urban setting. It was pure ass LUCK that the year that Katniss competed in just happened to be in a forest setting, something she was already familiar with and the fact that she knew how to make snares to hunt and how to forage--knowledge she gained from her father to keep their family fed--was her major advantage. Distriscts One and Two, the districts closest to the Capitol, have more resources and more free time for training, which is why kids from those districts compete to become Career Tributes and often volunteer for the Games. The further districts like 12 and 11 (where Rue is from) are literally starving and they work 12 and 14 hours days. They have no time to train, even if they had the resources and/or the knowledge.
Lenny's mom was also a great actress mainly known for her role on the sitcom the Jeffersons. Acting is indeed a family thing for them
Peeta was also trying to protect Katniss from that group he was with they specifically wanted to kill Katniss.
I appreciate how the love triangle develops over the series. It’s more of a subversion of one. Neither man is really The One for Katniss and it’s not the main focus anyway. There’s bigger shit going on!
I wouldn’t be surprised if Suzanne Collins was asked to put a love triangle in because Twilight re-popularised them, but as a concession she put her own spin on it.
Yeah, Collins actually stated that Gale was supposed to actually be Katniss' cousin, but they pushed for a love triangle angle. She originally just wanted Gale and Peeta to represent different cornerstones/ideologies on war. From an article: "Peeta and Gale appeared quickly, less as two points on a love triangle, more as two perspectives in the just-war debate. Gale, because of his experiences and temperament, tends toward violent remedies. Peeta’s natural inclination is toward diplomacy. Katniss isn’t just deciding on a partner; she’s figuring out her worldview." Anyone reading the books can see that there really isn't even a "love triangle." Considering how she wrote the ending, it was quite beautiful. The movies however played it up too much and it really wasn't even necessary.
In the books, Katniss always thinks Peeta has an ulterior motive. She doesn't trust that he likes her genuinely. She saves him when they make the announcement cuz she things her district would hate her if she survived but left him behind.
I remember reading the books after seeing the 1st movie and being so engrossed. The subtle social commentary on our reality was outstandingly well written. I love this series.
At the end, for eating the berries, Katniss doesn’t know if she did it to rebel against the capitol, if she truly had feelings for Peeta or if she didn’t want to be hated if she came back without him. And that eats her. And the moment she says “I guess we try to forget” really is the moment Peeta realizes it was all for show for her /in that hunger games/. In the Quarter Quell, she does have genuine feelings for him. Also, Suzanne was forced into a love triangle by her editor. If it was only up to her, I think she wouldn’t have made Katniss be with Gale at all.
I don't really care about the Peeniss ship, but I really like Peeta. His survival throughout the entire series depends on his ability to lie to/manipulate people (even his camouflage tactic), ly in wait for opportunities, do whatever it takes to benefit the bigger picture, and withstand various forms of long-term and excruciating torture.
He's never vilified for having underhanded tactics, and Katniss never views him as weak since he just has a very different skill set than she does. I know a lot of readers may have thought of him as weak or amoral (I mostly heard weak), but the writing never validated these perspectives.
They made him out to be more innocent in the movie. He had definitely had his sincere moments in the book, but there was never any doubt that all of his choices were deliberate, and he started playing the game the second he got on that train (at least from my perspective). Despite this, there's never any doubt that he's a kind and selfless guy. I just find his characterization refreshing for a protagonist, even if he is a secondary protagonist.
Wait the ship name is Peenis wow
@@Johncena-ue2mgit’s actually everlark, I’ve heard of peeniss as a joke, but I’ve also heard people call them Toast 😅but funnily enough, the author gave them these futuristic names because she hoped to make them impossible to turn into ship names. Hence, Peeniss 😂
The books go into an extension of how Haymitch won his games and why he became an alcoholic.
Haymitch was in the 50th hunger games when he was 16. It was the second quarter quell which meant the game would have a special rule; in this case the amount of tributes was doubled from 24 to 48. When he won his game, he had unintentionally exposed a weakness in the force field of the games and used it to kill the last competitor chasing him. Though it was unintentional, Snow took it as an insult to the Capitol and an act of defiance and killed Haymitch’s mother, younger brother and his girlfriend. After that, he refused to be pimped out by the Capitol and would become a mentor and watch district 12 children die. The guilt of his continued participation, on top of the horrors of his games and losing his family made him turn to alcohol. 😢
"The Hunger Games" is my favourite YA franchise next to "Harry Potter." It offers a really thought provoking narrative on reality TV and dystopian universes, and the horrifying situation that these teens find themselves in because of their toxic society.
You guys always bring attention to what I hadn’t noticed before and it’s honestly refreshing like idk how I hadn’t noticed given the amount of times I’ve seen this series
The movies are by far one of the most true to the books out there but some of the details they leave out make me wanna pull my hair out, like Peeta and Katniss's interaction before the games, how Peeta and his father are some of Katniss's main traders at home which keeps her family alive and why katniss feels indebted to Peeta and thats why she's so frustrated that it's him she has to go to the games with. Peeta loosing his leg and Katniss going deaf in one ear, Katniss and Peeta have to listen to Cato be slowly mauled all night because it was too dark to mercy kill - or even the fact that the mutts were designed in the likeness of the fallen tributes to make them extra terrifying, like the moment Katniss realises one of them has Rue's eyes is gut wrenching and horrifying and just hammers home how fcked the game makers and captiol is. Not to mention how the books just don't hold back on showing the effects of ptsd, trauma and the very real physical ramifications of war and conflicts - all the characters have very severe scaring, missing limbs etc and have to learn to live with that which is very glossed over in the movies (they only really accurately portray the mental effects more so which i mean i kind of get but i can still be bummed about it)
man i'll never not love these books and characters just so well done for a YA dystopian, really sets itself apart in a whole other league.
(edit) ALSO - Katniss is neurodivergent cause I said so - An actual autistic person (/j ofc but fr Katniss is so heavily coded neurodivergent whether intentional or not)
I'm sooooo ready for your guys' Catching Fire reaction now, it's not just one of the best YA films but one of the best and my favorite films of all time period!!
I think part of why Katniss views Peeta saying he has a crush on her as him making her look week is informed by what happened to her mother. She sees her mother's depression after her father's death as weekness and somewhat by extension any emotional connection as something that costs too much to indulge in. Kind of like furthering her convo with Gale. She refuses to think about having kids or what kind of life she could want or would want if her situation changed. She's cut out the possibility of romantic attachments because she doesn't view them as something practical.
I have seen this film so many times, and I've watched your reaction to it before and I've only just noticed something. When Cato has hold of Peeta and he's taking about being dead anyway Peeta is tapping on Cato's hand to tell Katniss to shoot her arrow at it!! 😯
Whenever peeta said he doesn’t want the capital and games to change him he was ✨foreshadowing✨
It's actually illegal for them to train for the Hunger Games, as the Capitol doesn't want the Districts rising in rebellion. In the Richer districts, they have training facilities where kids train and later volunteer, but that's in the districts where people actually have decent living conditions.
Cato is a tragic figure. At the end he's just a scared kid who from birth was fed the propaganda of the government and only realized it just before he died
I don't know if you've seen the other two movies, but in the books, while the triangle between Katniss, Peeta, and Gale is annoying, the way it ends is quite beautiful and not typical for YA books or movies (but closer to reality). - I recommend the books, though. In them you will get descriptions like President Snow's breath/body smelling like blood and decay (from a simi-failed poisoning attempt, according to stories), among others.
Thank you for the neurodivergence disclaimer. I’m the kind of diverse where I can still mask, and especially when I was younger trying to be charismatic felt like my skeleton crawling out of my skin and putting on a new face. It’s one of those ‘you don’t always enjoy what what your good at’ things because I had to get good at it.
43:30 I wonder how much this was done strictly, because of Haymitch. Extra fire balls maybe even being direct mocking gesture to cause him more pain. He kinda only won in 50th HG, because he run far to the borders of the arena and luckily used the force field to finish his last opponent, so it would make sense for him to recommend or inspire similar tactics with other tributes. Game Makers and Snow obviously had none of it - so they introduced stuff like that for the bigger arenas to Fortnite the kids down to the final small area.
There are also more explanations in the books as to what comes to the winners (recently reread so I hope this is accurate) but they actually win provisions for their district for a year (until the next Hunger Games/victors) so even the more well off districts like District 1 and 2 ( Cato, the Knife throwing girl) wouldn't just bring honor to their district but also resources. Plus I believe for victors, they recieve a new (upscale) house in the victor's village, money, and their family is now safe from the games (the family being safe I am not 100% sure I am remembering correctly).
So in that way even more incentive to win because maybe a better life is waiting at the end? Still deeply deeply messed up. But could argue with the reality of what life is back home and the trauma they have faced in the games, that going back with honor and just being alive could be seen as baseline incentive (or just how I thinn some tributes see it. Being able to help their families and people might help with more incentive and why some districts train their children even though it's technically not allowed but that's why they are called the Careers)
The families are not save, but they get a house (at least in the poorer districts, because I believe there were only built 12 houses per district) and they get more money and the district gets more provisions. The money only indirectly helps the family because the siblings don't have to put their names into the selection for the Hunger Games more often to get tesserae, just the regular amount (one slip her eligible year). It helps their chances, even if it doesn't prevent siblings from entering the Games indefinitivly.
One thing I love about this movie/ book is that you are supposed to hate the “career” tributes but ultimately the careers are still children who have been taught that killing others should be a celebration so they too are fully victims of the situation and really they are not any less moral then say katniss