The Open Bar was almost torn apart by its very own civil war as we debated the new Fallout TV show. Did it suck, or was it a misunderstood gem? Find out now.
Thank you! I made an audible disgruntled noise at that scene. I mean I had to go back and see if their helmets actually had torches attached and they do! Lol
Lights. Night Vision. Thermovision. Even frickin autoaim. All depends on what upgrades the system received and T-60 should be the absolute top of the line.
@@fffx2 It's on since Fallout 1. The power armour on the game's poster already has the lights on the top of the helmet. It was just never used, since it was an old CRPG. Fallout 3 didn't used it. New Vegas never had the chance to implement it, due to it being rushed. Fallout 4 got it right... Power Armour was one of the few things that game got right.
@@StalkerQtya Except for the fact that power cores should last for one hundred years, as it was written in the description in the old games. On the other hand though, I have to concede that the power armour in fallout 4 is one of the best mechanics in the game.
He is 1000% a 1 intelligence run, and I can't believe how few people realize it. He's like comically idiotic, I think they just dismiss it as bad writing because it's juxtaposed with his own emotional struggle within the BoS.
In Fallout 3, there is a quest where you try to appeal to people's humanity to allow ghouls to live in Tenpenny Tower, alongside humans. Many are open to the idea and want to be kind. If you succeed, leave, and return later, you'll find that every single person has been killed by the ghouls. What did Todd mean by this?
That the world isnt black and white and trying to do the right thing isnt simple or clearcut. Its like saying everyone should just take the homeless into their homes and there, problem solved. In reality sometimes that will work and sometimes that will lead to robbery or worse.
Ugh this is infuriating to watch without being able to chirp in because every single person here is either unable to refer to the games or is incorrectly referencing things and ignoring larger context
@@earth5043as a person whos never played the games, i feel like the show makes me feel like im experiencing a game, which itself makes show lackluster but the argument can go anyways but overall i feel like the show did what it needed to do
@earth5043 the show definitely got stuff wrong but as I listen to half of maulers complaints half of them are because he either didn't pay attention or doesn't know the game lore. Except for the moldaver, no defending 9/10ths of that garbage heap of a plan
@@samuelmendoza5986 Who said going through 32 to get to 33 was her plan? That is an assumption MauLer is making. For all we know, she went to 32 to get their Overseer but found them dead. Then, she either snooped around and found out about the conveniently timed trade coming up or she knew about the trades because of Rose and went around that time so if things went wrong and the Overseer got ended then she wouldn't have to wait long for another chance.
Damn lol I didn't even make that connection. At least she didn't have a mental breakdown and then rush an armed police officer with a knife. Silver lining.
but you know that they will add that character as his scribe on season 2.. so that part of the story will suck hard unless some monster happens to eat the character after 2minutes lol.
You gotta love how Barb's reason for suggesting to nuke the world is that because the current world has factions there will always be war and war never changes, and then her solution is to have hundreds of different vaults compete for who gets to repopulate the earth because "the spirit of competition makes us so great"
@@dragonmcmx Unironically yes. Ancaps are defined by their blind worship of Mises and hatred of government. This fullfils their "a man is an island" mythology.
I did play the games but I've also accepted Bethesda doesn't care for established lore and especially not from people who aren't a part of them so it was essentially what I expected because they don't care what the original creators did.
Here's the thing though even without knowing the games , the show was kinda good .And as long as they didn't butcher the sorce material or material its acceptable
It's possible to enjoy the show without having played the games and analyze it on its own this way. Having played the games doesn't give you authority over whether or not the show is good. You can compare the story to the games, and maybe not like the changes they made to it, but the show is a different medium.
Thats a silly analogy. Becasue if you were a fly, yes, those blilions wouldnt be wrong, shit would be good for you. And since you are a human, if a large number of humans like something, good chances are there is something to it.
@@firestarter000001 Cigarettes/vaping. Porn/chronic masturbation. Drinking. Large percentage of the population does it, yet its objectively bad for you with minimal benefit outside of "it feels good" or "its fun" Like this show. Im not surprised people like the show. Seeing things your recognize, from a world you love, is fun. I can understand and see how people can watch it and enjoy themselves because of that. Doesnt mean it gets to be called objectively good, or well written.
@@andrewcorrigan2329 Lmao that's a horrible take. "It feels good" and "it's fun" is a great reason for people to do stuff. Also that's 100% your opinion. Many people think this is a breath of fresh air due to the high stakes. You disagree and that's fine. Doens't mean everybody that disagrees with you can be compared to a fly. It's a total silly analogy, whenever somebody also starts comparing humans who disagree with them to "cattle" or "fly's" I can just tell y'all are seething.
Didn't voxis productions say that? Honestly, I think that some people just lack the maturity to say "yeah the show was shit, but I still enjoyed it" did I enjoy. I gotta be honest with you, I turned my brain off and Mauler's video did convince me that the series was terrible. I only hope that the show runners can take on board the criticism.
How can people claim to be fans of these games and not know that a) the Communists were Chinese not Russians and b) That the Prydwin appeared in Fallout 4, not New Vegas LOL
I think the older guy said he spammed Fallout NV for 6 weeks and that sounded like his entire experience of the franchise, though it also sounded like he had at least played through Fallout 4, so its forgivable for him mixing them up. Not knowing the Chinese were the other party in the Great War was big cringe though.
Yeah, I really think that Drinker also needs to go back and play Fallout 1, 2 and NV again. I think he's really forgotten what those games are about, what their tone is and what the writing was like. And that's all besides the lore, which the show just ignores.
N saying the brotherhood were the remnants of the U.S military as well when that's what the enclave are, the brotherhood having renounced their allegiance to the U.S government after they found out about the FEV experiments that were taking place at their military base, pretty big difference
The thing that non fallout fans don't realize is that there's Todd Howard Fallout, and there's Non Todd Howard Fallout. Todd Howard Fallout has VERY low consequences, spoon fed morals, and forced story decisions. It's aesthetically distinct, but it's safe, and controlled. Non Todd Howard Fallout is much more dynamic, quirky, awkward, messy, gritty, ridiculous and has a distinct world and story. You get legitimately difficult moral conundrums and dark revelations followed up with the kookiest nonsense you've ever seen. Rose's story in New Vegas was more morally nuanced than deciding to purge the railroad in FO4, and she's just one of many companions. Sussing out the morality of any one faction in New Vegas is incredibly hard. Even the Khans, who at first seem like little more than organized raiders, have significant moral justification and historic tragedies to contend with. All that to say, This show is Todd Howard Fallout.
That's a really good observation. It's important to note, also, there is something of a generation gap in fallout. Most of the people reading your comment probably started with fallout 3 and never played the first two, which were much different animals.
"Non Todd Howard Fallout is much more dynamic, quirky, awkward, messy, gritty, ridiculous and has a distinct world and story. You get legitimately difficult moral conundrums and dark revelations followed up with the kookiest nonsense you've ever seen." I don't think you've actually played Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel.
The thing that non Fallout fans need to realise is that people like you are literally not worth listening to at all. You wont ever be happy. You want New Vegas to be copy and pasted forever. Nothing can ever change. While the vast majority of people think the show is great, you'll still be here grasping at straws claiming to be the "true fallout fans" while everyone else moves on. You're not intelligent, you're not insightful, you're just a contrarian.
@@vincelang3779 He's an adult with adult opinions. These are children trying to pretend they're "original fans" and being needlessly negative towards anything new. They'll cope and seethe making excuses saying Tim Cain was paid off or is threatened to praise the show because these fanatics are genuinely deluded.
You don't know the geography? Here's a fun fact about the geography. Seeing as Lucy started out at the Santa Monica Peer and reaches as far as Shady Sands means she walked approximately THREE-HUNDRED AND FIFTY MILES! And that's as the crow flies, one way, by the way.
Didn't they rearrange the locations? Bear in mind I'm too lazy to look it up beyond what I remember but didn't they put Shady sands inside the boneyard so the entire show is inside Los Angeles?
"Who calls them communist" The writers. The writers are calling them communist, and then the communist claims they are not communist, they're just the anti-capitalist.
I feel like a lot of people are unfamiliar with McCarthyism and what it entailed. Branding people you didn't like as Communist or Socialist happened an awful lot in the 50's. Now, that isn't to say the show did a good job communicating this, mind you.
@@patriot639Turned out he was right about more than Hollywood would care to admit. Most of the types of people who whined about the blacklists for decades are doing the very same today.
@badlaamaurukehu exactly came here to say this, I recommend Razorfist's excellent video where he explains away the revisionist history applied to McCarthism
@@kw9849 Even in a Christian private school I was taught that McCarthyism was a "witch hunt", but as an adult living in the USA and looking into it with critical eyes; I think McCarthy was absolutely correct. Bezmenov basically proves this in the 80's with his warnings that the KGB's primary activities were 'long-game' ideology-based investments. It would appear that they set the plans in motion having fully believed that communism and the USSR would be there to reap the rewards. Or maybe even the CCP, but Russia/China have never been particularly closely allied.
I hate it when adaptations take abstract concept that work only in the game, literally. Like "health packs". I don't think that's how it should fly in a tv series.
If they gave some cash to the animations department they could fudge up some convienient little "white lie" that 'actually it's nano bots that sutures you together and the liquid is just saline to re-hydrate your body'... It could work if you zoomed in and saw small spider glue together wounds and stuff, but that would take actual effort... like actually do a quick reading of the lore on the wiki before writing the script or making Knight Titus look competent like the veteran he should have been. It's not too hard to have someone reading the ingredients and go "what's is nano machines"?
Except Stimpaks are a literal part of the games' lore? They aren't abstract at all? Now, if we suddenly had VATS pop up on screen, then I would agree that would be pushing it.
This might not be where you’re coming from… but I’ve noticed what seems to be a weird trend of media in 2024 just ignoring the fact that sex can result in pregnancy. I was pretty baffled when the movie Poor Things did a deep dive on feminine sexuality and simply ignored the subject of pregnancy entirely, despite showing many graphic sex scenes that imply insemination. Particularly odd because the premise of story made it so all they needed was a throw-away line in the beginning about how Bella was unable to reproduce…
@PhonesHQ that wasn't so much what bothers me what I did find odd was that a a raider allows himself to be taken on a table ans rode by a naive vault dweller ... like we know how that scene would actually go. it felt like they wanted an "empowering woman on top scene" which just didn't fit u could fudge that he was irradiated and had such a low sperms count that its unlikely she would get pregnant. or maybe she will at some point find out she is pregnant there are some odd things but tbh most of the time its not a bad effort for a video game adaptation
@@PhonesHQ They do eventually imply that she cannot due to the c-section, in this era, maybe that is true? Although they had other weird medicines, but her whore friend also had a scar and worked the same job with no pregnancy issue either, so maybe they were unable?
@@vkdeen7570 Lucy made is very clear she was ready to get down to business like twice before the marriage happens, so her being eager is fine. Had she resisted, I can see what you mean. Also yeah, the "Whats your sperm count" could be a nod to it being likely a raider would have a low count to being exposed to the rads, so that can work too. You guys keep trying to create problems where they don't exist, just have some fun, its a fun show, its not flawless, but its very much in the right spirit.
Not just corporatist, they were in league with the Enclave in Fallout 2. Not directly, but the Enclave President claims responsibility for the Vault experiments. So all the unethical Vault-tec stuff was government backed and endorsed.
Complaint about Vault-Tec being stup|d when they shouldn't be is utterly invalid; the point was some of the experiments conducted in the Vaults were just nuts.
By Tim Cain's admission, the original creator, Vault-Tec's experiments, while unethical, were supposed to be utilized to advance humanity's science to get off the Earth in order to repopulate another planet. The experiments weren't supposed to be wacky and atrocious for the sake of it. Considering a journey to another planet would be a multi-generational endeavour, the Vaults needed to stress-test the few humans alive in a closed and controlled environment for different purposes: growing crops, continuous breeding, how to cope with mechanical failures etc... They weren't supposed to be Saw movies...
the "but that's what happens in the games" in regards to taking damage and the amount of plot armor is such a weird take, that is for gameplay reasons, not for story or lore reasons, i would not expect an elder scrolls series to show the protagonist putting one hand up saying "time out !" and eating 500 wheels of cheese just because that's what happens in the games, it's gameplay convenience so its easy to ignore, in a story trying to be serious however its just silly and hard to take seriously.
Is the story trying to stay serious though? I feel like the show is quite comedic in various ways, much like the Fallout games. Like, the tone of Elder Scrolls is generally trying to be more serious, disregarding specific side quests and characters like Sheogorath. Whereas in Fallout, you can have a conversation with your own brain after it has been removed by your body by insane old-world scientists, who are also effectively just their brains inside robotic bodies. Like, there are moments the story does tell seriously, like the confrontation in the final episode. But during those moments, there also isn't anything ridiculous going on?
This show is not attempting to be a Zack Snyder super cereal no humor show. It's clearly meant to have satirical comedy in it, such as when Snip Snip gives Lucy a new finger and offers her comfortable clothing even though he's planning to harvest her organs or when Lucy and Maximus are kissing and the heads they are holding are face-to-face like they're also kissing.
@@Birthday888 Well, there are different types of comedy. In the games all those brains in the jars are absurd, but consistent. And, in a way, even tragic. In the show characters are simply robbed of any growth just to replay the same "lol so stupid" jokes over and over again.
@@Birthday888 Fallout being comedic is a Bethesda change, 1 and 2 had funny moments but they weren't constant like in 4 or 76. It stood out when something made you laugh
There's a cut quest in Fallout 2 where it is demonstrated that Stimpaks will instantly heal injuries, its not just a Gameplay HP mechanic. The Chosen One is tasked to accompany a Tribal named Krom to meet a shady merchant who slashes one of his own guards across the face with a knife and then uses a Stimpak on him, which closes the wound in seconds.
@@Slender_Man_186Whether it was cut for time or because they didn't agree with the premise is unknown. Having played the F2 Restoration Project I'd wager the former as the tribe in question is the home of Sulik, the first potential companion the Chosen One can recruit. Fallout 4's changes to various mechanics are not worth taking seriously as they are gay and cringepilled & NV's Hardcore mode is essentially just a challenge mode to increase the difficulty. The Fallout 1 manual describes them as thus "A stimpak (short for Stimulation Delivery Package) contains many healing chems. A soup of healing medication, if you will. By injecting the Stimpak, you drastically increase your own recuperative functions and restore lost hit points almost instantly."
Exactly, and that's the thing I hate most. Even though it was the conflict between China and the US that caused the Great War in the games, there were still nuanced characters like Captain Zao. That's a TON more nuance than anything the CCP would portray if they'd created a Chinese Fallout with a ghoulified American captain. He would be portrayed as completely evil. I HATE how Hollywood, Amazon, and AAA studios now pander to the CCP. Disney even yeeted Finn's character from the Chinese Star Wars sequel posters, and they changed the lighting on the Chinese "The Little Mermaid" to make her look almost White because China hates Black characters. I wonder how Amazon will alter Maximus for the Chinese version. . .
You do realize it was never stated who dropped the first bomb right? On top of that it's not confirmed that vault tec dropped the bombs just because they said they were willing to. If they were the ones who did, don't you think house or vault tec would have been more prepared. The main character of fallout 4 barely got to the vault on time
@@dragoncat5412 nope, don’t realize any of that. I don’t follow any of the fallout canon/lore, I was just responding to someone commenting that the war between the us and china was left out of the show, which I attributed to the fact that Hollywood studios often omit any details from media if it is likely to be disliked by China, because that’s a huge part of their market.
I think its great to see people disagree on if they liked or disliked the show, it really shows that people do think critically and arent just saying stuff thats going to be the most popular take. It also brings a great example of disagreeing and debating in a constructive way. Its how we figure out what makes something objectively good.
Yeah sadly some critics resorts to throw slurs when someone give valid criticism towards them. Like yeah it’s okay to not like it and criticize, but to the point of downright hating people for simply liking it is just unhinged. Kudos to people know who I’m talking about.
THIS, this is a lesson I wish most people could learn. Agree to disagree isn't just a thing you say when want an argument to stop, it's actually just accepting that people have different opinions and that you don't have to turn every discussion into an actual debate.
Most notable thing: THE THING OPENS WITH A LORE BREAK. Fallout 4 Establishes - that the bomb began to drop just around 9:30 AM EST You can see the clock in the living room when the game starts). - by 9:42 the Boston area was LEVELED and all remaining clocks read 9:42 when Nate/Nora get out of 111. The Fallout TV show opens with: - A Birthday Party that's in broad daylight and then the bombs drop - The Birthday Party was clearly in LA - The tv show seems to focus on is California with 2 exception, the introduction of The ghoul character & where the villain goes at the end. If you don't understand, LA is 3 hours behind Boston, meaning if it was 9:30/9:42 am in Boston, then it'd be 6:30/6:42 am in LA. In October especially around the week that the great war starts: Sun rise for LA doesn't get a full sunrise UNTIL approximately 7 am, until that point for about 50 minutes, it's " Nautical" twilight followed by "Civil" twilight for the other 30. which Nautical twilight like normal twilight or an overcast day has that feeling of "Kinda dark outside but not/Kinda Light outside but not" When the birds naturally start waking up and chirping though the sun isn't out. And civil twilight is that "picture prefect" moment from the movies where the hero stands proudly JUST as the sun crest. Meaning someone fucked up on that VERYYYY first scene in the show.
@@paulbadman8509 so literally the first frame either breaks lore with fallout 4 and thus Bethesda Canon , or for some reason or another NO ONE ON THE WEST COAST was aware the east coast was NUKED and then they got hit hours after
Mauler and Reaper are dead on with how stupid the writing and the plot holes are, that being said the show is overall enjoyable, but they really should clean up the show for the bad plot issues.
Its closer to 180 years, but likely the same way they did in Vault 31. She had connections I would assume, she'd know what they were planning to do and found someone to get her a pod of her own probably.
@@Zenn3k and if my understanding of the timeline is correct shady sands was destroyed at the end of new vegas, it's about 15 years before the show, and she was already at some level of influence in NCR, so she must be at least 15/30 years of experience in the wastelands, all this to die in the most... anticlimactic way I've seen from the show lol
@@EatWave Right? Someone commented on last weeks open bar that drinker and mauler "broke up" over Lady Gaga, and in reality it was one of the most civil discussions I'd ever seen on the internet.
@@EatWave these people in the video had a civil discussion, the same cannot he said for those in the comments, let alone the rest of the audience. I really didn’t understand why so many people are so outraged that people enjoyed the show. I almost feel like they’ve been so conditioned to hate everything that comes out these days, that when something the Audience does enjoy, they have to look for any reason to dislike it less they experience cognitive dissonance
as a video game adaptation this is a 10/10. anyone remembers dragon ball?? shudders played 1 to 4 and all dlc's in between. pretty surprised that people did not like the show. the term hate grift comes to mind. tbh before the show released, the female protag in the show gave apprehension to be a girl boss.
@@aSSGoblin1488 or heck even the halo show which also streamed on Prime/Paramount. This was 1000 times better than that garbage. And I’ll admit I was very apprehensive about this show after initially seeing the trailer. But after the first episode I found myself enjoying it and binged the whole thing in a night. I really like Lucy’s character. She very much reminds me of the first time I played Fallout 3 trying my hardest to do a good karma run and eventually saying F it.
@@xeroeddieon SWT's channel and also on Mooler On Mooler, the thumbnail is him dressed as a Frenchman with wine and SWT next to him, so, should be easy to spot They also later on ran a short podcast together, which could be what OP is specifically referring to, in that podcast mauler was REALLY holding himself back from disagreeing with him much
@carruthers100 I’m sure many points come across this way on a livestream when everything’s off the cuff but surely you wouldn’t say that about MauLer’s Fallout video that came out a few days ago?
@@sadeknight9112 I tried watching the video live but when Mauler could resist insulting the creators over the Yao Guai sneaking up on it's prey of all things, I turned his video off. He's clearly driven by emotion, let him have his little tantrum. He's stated in previous EFAPs he barely cares about the games, mostly goofed around in Fallout 3 and it's Mothership Zeta DLC.
@carruthers100 Truth. MauLer's rant was exactly that and a lot of his misconceptions would be cleared if he watched the show again and actually watched it instead of acting like a triggered leftist.
The control vaults were made to accommodate a population of 1,000 people. A breeding vault should would be designed for several times that, and would have only the healthies members of society.
Oh yeah, I've been WAITING for this discussion to happen after Drinker said he liked the show because I knew someone was going to disagree. I wasn't disappointed, this was going to be a good discussion.
Better than the screaming matches people usually get into over shows like this. They aren't just going "You are sub human if you like this show!!!" or "You just hate everything!!!" there is a genuine discussion going on
31:07 Thank you Mauler Disney isn't even part of the discussion anymore. Thank you for pushing past the old news. This show is mediocre and the panel shouldn't be defending something so weak.
I dont understand birthday parties at 642am. I don't understand brotherhood being cowards. I don't understand how the only black character allows dude to die, then steals his armor, then larps as someone else, then brands a dude. Unless the jewish writers wanted to paint the only black lead as a sociopathic idiot. I don't understand how ghouls are super human now. List goes on but you get the idea. You know, telling us all you don't know fallout without telling us kinda thing
@@80sRetrosaurHis point is that the other guy is accepting the product uncritically and waiting for the next one. That's the bite in that comment. Not that one person spent more money than another.
This. I felt the same about Baldurs Gate 3. A pathetic faux "sequel" to my favourite game of all time. Either peoples intelligence has degraded that much or producers hire extemely dilligent fake fans or highly convincing bots. I look at whats considered high quality today and despair. It doesnt even seem to be motivated by critical thinking but fad herd mentality. I sat and watched Cyberpunk 2077 release and said "guys its not that bad its maybe 6-7 territory. Just about passing grade if you ignore the criminally broken last gen release". Then Phantom Liberty drops and Im like "guys its not that good. Its still the same 6-7 game it was its just been tweaked a bit."
This was a fascinating debate, I haven't often seen the participants on Open Bar have a difference of opinion. And it addresses most of the issues I had with the show. I feel like Drinker has become less critical of shows these days. Don't settle Drinker, keep up the good fight for quality.
Why do I kinda think the writer's of this show are going to pin everything on S.P.E.C.I.A.L. Like vaultgirl has max luck, b.o.s dude has max charisma and so on.😅
Lucy starts in Santa Monica beach which is just about 8 miles away from the Observatory that Moldiver is in. In Episode 8 we get a sky view of the geography, they literally could have watched Lucy's adventure with binoculars.
@stevef68 It's over 200 years after the bombs dropped in 2077. The land and environment would change with time. You would be surprised with how diverse the land is around Los Angeles. For example I live about 20 miles from the city and it is wetland area that was converted to a city with mostly concrete. You wouldn't know it was a wetland before. As for forests, Los Angeles is surrounded by forests as you move away from the main city. California also has deserts as you go east towards Nevada (like fallout New Vegas and the mojave).
Omg I didn’t put those two things together until seeing your comment. I know he’s not a gamer like the rest of the panel, but that’s still really funny.
He's a good-looking guy, but definitely *is* in his 50s, and spent a lot of time outside of culture with his past. So yeah there are blindspots on some stuff lol. He's wrong in this debate overall, but he's still great.
The comparison with the Arcane is brilliant. In the League of Legends characters respawn after death. Should we make characters respawn in the show too? It would represent the game alright.
It's because they can represent player choice and how we pick different roles. Lucy is the naive vault person, Waltons character has survived the wasteland, and maximus is so we can get in depth BOS lore.
@@666slateran666 The showrunners have already said that they don't care about pleasing fans, so you're putting a lot more thought into it than they did.
@@blankfrankie3747 I know it hurts to hear this but when making a TV SHOW, gamers are not the target audience. Despite this they did their best to fill it with as many references and Easter eggs they could without it being too much. So I thought they did great.
The biggest headscratcher for me is Knight Titus' entire existence. He's an incompetent, impulsive coward who somehow occupies a slot that's tougher than being in the US Marines. He panics and gets merced by a mutant bear even though he's supposedly a combat veteran wearing armour that's shown to be able to punch and kick with the force of a cannonball. I get we're supposed to hate him, but it makes the Brotherhood look like huge morons for allowing him to get to such a high position.
The Brorherhood of Steel should no longer exist in the West Coast, not like this. But the reason they wrote him that way is because they hate masculinity, the military, the very concept of knighthood and warrior culture, as well as hating cis white men.
I liked Madness from Normal Boots. They were all there in person, though. So that panel debate about the best N64 game or best 90's cartoon felt a bit more personal.
If she did, and she was the same age as in the flashback, it still doesn't explain her age not progressing like Hank's. She was the same age 200 years ago, she was the same age while in power at Shady Sands, and she's the same age now. Meanwhile Hank went from a baby to old man, after being thawed out.
I hate the fact that they just accept that ghouls just have super healing abilities. That has never been the case, like if you cut their throat they fucking bleed out, they aren't fucking deadpool. You get shot in the back twice I expect you to deal with it later not sit down eat a tato and not even use a stimpack
@@mommasbigboy8656 Ghouls also regenerate when exposed to radiation to the point they can reattach limbs or in the case of the Marked Men survive being constantly flayed alive by a radioactive sandstorm. The show changed it from healing from radiation and feralness being random to increased healing at all times and feralness being held back by a mystery serum, which ghouls are now dependant on. Also, we can't ignore the fact that Cooper was eating throughout the fight.
Fallout is my favorite game series of all time. I've not watched this and after hearing people's takes and the defenses of criticisms I won't be. Every defense I've heard sounds just like all the other stuff from people who have been defending bad media in recent years. " Yeah but (insert character) isn't very bright", "yeah but it's supposed to be stupid", "that's how it happened/happens in the game". Hearing Mauler give his opinion I feel confident skipping this show is the right decision. Now I'm gonna go boot up my laptop and play Fallout again
You missing out. Mauler is conditioned beyond repair. He sees everything dumb and wokeified even then itt isnt. Looking for high intellect in post apocalyptic , no schools , no education, no fucking reading ability community... soyboy
If you follow MauLer's god-awful and undeserved opinion of it, you'll miss out on a fun entertaining TV show that does the games justice imho. (Speaking as a fan who has played them ALL since the original in 97)
@simonspoke I have heard lots of stuff about it, both good and bad. I doubt I would enjoy it and Amazon has zero good faith from me, after other "adaptations," I will not be giving them the benefit of the doubt on anything
@@itsmecid2106I had a similar thought process until I watched Tim Cain's opinion on the show. If the creator thinks it feels like Fallout, then I trust him. And I'm glad I did
Walton didn’t spy on his wife over the dog, even though dogs are part of the family and his wife doesn’t care at all. It was the first thing to start making him question what Vault Tec was doing. Decisions being made and his wife acting funny keeping secrets. It doesn’t help he hates Bud and his wife has zero problem with the guy.
You're exactly right Jandoc. The show spoke up to us, showing the passing of time in each flashback, each time chipping away at his original holy view of the righteousness and altruism of vault-tec. He started off loving them, loving his wife. He learned that vault-tec was evil, and started seeing his wife WAS vault-tec. Her lying to him about Roosevelt, his Good Boy, showed the cracks form that she was not the woman he married.
Also it wasn't so much the decision about dogs not being allowed (he can probably understand the reasoning) but what bothered him was that there would be all these rules being decided by clandestine people with no way to talk about it when he risked his life and watched his friends die to defend their freedoms and way of life. All to have things decided for him behind closed doors
That was likely an easter egg for the first Fallout game. The inciting incident for the entire game (or series, if you'd like) is that Vault 13's water chip breaks down and you have go to out into the wasteland to procure a new one.
@@AP-lh1bq does it have the potential for a major plot point? Sure. However, just because the potential is there doesn't need to be explored if its an easter egg, especially given the (over) abundance of such easter eggs in the games.
I really enjoyed this show. I quickly identified that this show wasn't taking its seriously and was actually using absurd game mechanics in place of shity movie tropes, as well as stupid Bethesda thinking. I for one appreciated it as I took it as fan service attempts and I didn't mind at all.
The Buddy brain robot didn't say that the vault dwellers of 31 and 33 had Superior genetics, he said they were chosen because their genetics would best combine with his buddies
The amount of people who so clearly do not understand or don't care and then argue about all this is what makes it all so frustrating. People seem like they can't just say they like it cause they don't care about the lore and "omggg cool armor and scary ghoul omgg" they have to try and find ways to make it make sense, the problem is, people don't realize who they're dealing with, with Todd Howard, there is no continuity, the game is rigged from the start...
I thought they said the genetics were chose to make the best managers for when Vault Tec rebuilds everything? Or that they were the best genes from the Vault Tec managers. Something to that effect.
@max7971 Well, that'd be replacing the entire title. Rather than just slipping on one word. And I've heard people refer to it as "Space Wars" by accident.
@@Zac_Frost Did you not hear Lance's explanation for how much he played Fallout "Las Vegas". He played Fallout "Las Vegas" from the time he woke up early in the morning, til two in the morning several days a week (so he says). I have *NEVER-EVER* heard a Star Wars fan of that caliber call it "Space Wars" on accident. *EVER*
In regards to AC: Shadows, have you guys ever thought that they are intentionally fucking with the male protagonist, to push people to play the female counterpart more so they can get the statistics up? Both Odyssey and Valhalla had the option to play as either, and BOTH had the majority playing as male. Do you think this could be another reason why they'd give you a character no one wants to play as in this setting?
So the cope out is that since it's based on a video game it's not supposed to have consistency and believability? I have a feeling the people who say that haven't played a video game in a long while, because we gamers expect those things just as much in the game's story told through cutscenes. And even if you completely dismiss the believability such as a turret gun completely missing every shot while the old man jogged past in a straight line, that's not how it happens in a game, you get decimated pretty fast.
He is partially right. But to be honest some things just don't translate very well and should be changed. Same when you adapt a book. Some things don't work in live action.
The entire script of this show is criminally bad. I couldn't watch past second episode. Visuals and actors can only carry so far before it starts showing how utterly stupid the writing and plot are.
@@MesserMusic Yeh! The Stimpaks that noone uses, that is. Why use Stimpak for the bleeding after you just lost leg - nooo, walk into the Wasteland and bleed out! Drink Cyanide haha! Why mention that the cold fusion is in your neck, ughh that would be dumb?! Tell her to chop your head off! She might damage the thing , but who gives a fucc. Carrying head around is "whacky", who needs logic?? Just CONSUME THE PRODUCT. Morons.
"that's not how it happens in a game, you get decimated pretty fast." Even on F4 survival mode, I can't recall ever being killed by a ballistic turret. Maybe one of the Institute's laser turrets, but those low level gun turrets are only good for spraying bullets.
A fun detail about the fridge the brotherhood kid hides in is that there's a hole in the backside of it. so he would have not only been blasted but also radiated like mad.
The Fallout world cares zero about being scientific. Same thing with Ghouls… an irradiated person would just die, but the world operates on uneducated fantasy. It’s good though, I like it.
Lance has been more aggravating than the Drinker on that Open Bar. "I played New Vegas, I'm pretty sure the airship first appeared in that game." "My favourite adult cartoon is Big Mouth. It's cleverly written." Edit: I've relistened to the stream. Lance does not say it's cleverly written, but he does say "the writing is really good and it's definitely not woke." Time stamp: czcams.com/users/live3C34mgQ8CAc?si=oQbCyM-EbT_NXPHj&t=9201 Timestamp for the airship: czcams.com/users/live3C34mgQ8CAc?si=FXxH3LLGs_-Jgioq&t=4707
Fun fact. Lucy starts at Santa Monica pier in LA and finishes at Griffith Observatory in LA in the final episode. You know what's funny? It's 25km away and that is a 5 hour walk.
@@unusualaussie9606 Well I mean, it sometimes takes me like two hours to come back from dropping the kids off at school if I have to keep stopping to do things... but yeah lol it does sound a bit dumb, oh well, I guess there's worse things the show could have done. Did you know that they got the time wrong for when the bombs fell? Unforgivable I say.
My biggest problem with the show is it's an extremely political situation being written by people who don't understand how character motivations work. No one feels like they have real wants or needs, we just have "Vault-Tec evil" and "Muldiver misunderstood" on a chalkboard somewhere. It's blatant that they don't understand how even greed works. War profiteers don't make money off of war, they keep control and make their money off the looming THREAT of war. That it's always just around the corner, that you need this, that, or the other to "keep your family safe". If your entire market is dead, you're not going to make much money.
There's a meme going around of Rey and Finn asking "Who are you?" and Lucy and Maximus responding "We're you, only better written." I can see the validity in this comparison and mostly agree with the conclusion. And that's with thinking that Fallout isn't very well written. Stay salty, Crait.
He's not. His character is actually either really badly written or really interesting and I wont find out until season 2. He goes from being a disinterested grunt, to a holier than thou monk, to a total dude bro in power armour, to forest gump, to a street wise no-nonsense killer, to a holier than thou monk again. I honestly hope he's actually only one of these and the other personalities he adopts are just fronts for any given situation, rather than the writers seriously couldn't just make him consistent.
@@desertmammoth3159 It makes sense if you think about it. He wants to be basically a hero of justice. But then he was brainwashed by the brotherhood. But he's always been conflicted and never fully brainwashed. They've trained him, but only really for combat and recognizing artifacts because he's expendable. So he's dumb about alot of things, but when it comes to the narrow things he's been trained on he's highly competent. And his holier than thou side is just his original wish to have power and serve justice being perverted by their brotherhood. He's a complex character with multiple different failings and strengths coming into conflict and he acts inconsistently because he literally IS inconsistent. He hasn't chosen a path yet. Most of the show was him learning about the world and himself which is giving him the knowledge to choose that path. And I think part of that is having to accept that maybe he can't be what he wants to be and he'll prolly have to settle for something more realistically achievable instead.
@@Ralathar44 I appreciate your honest response, but I think you're giving the writers too much credit. Whilst I accept there were events that could explain a switch in beliefs and world view, they were incredibly jarring. Like a committed Christian finding out there is no God and then being like OKAY F IT LET THE MURDER SPREES BEGIN :D Maybe that's a bit of a radical example but you get my gist. I'll have to give it a second watch, maybe I somehow missed the nuances the first time around. I just remember not really understanding what he was about, and him doing stuff that contradicted who was purporting to be a few minutes earlier. Like I say I'll give it another swing.
@@Zac_Frostcan you imagine those clowns Organised Chaos and Pillar of Garbage on Open Bar having a disagreement with Drinker Who would want to watch that nightmare?
@@NoahLookman9191 On the topic of Pillar of Garbage,have you seen his latest video on Fallout? It is just about everything else than the show. To me those videos reek of smug little film intellectuals who think they understand art better than anyone else.
My impression of maximus getting praised at the end is that the friend, who seemed to want out of the brotherhood, saw it as an opportunity to have an ally in a high place, hence why they told maximus "you did this" and started the cheer. He wasnt going to take credit but the friend made it happen
A remark for the person who said, why the Ghoul does not shoots Maximus through the chest when they have their encounter in Folly. Well, in the last episode he uses special rounds, and in the second episode he uses normal bullets.
Thing is, the Ghoul isn't Lucy. He's not new to the Wasteland. I don't buy for a second he's never seen Power Armor before, and, given his profession and experience, I'd wager he may have even gone up against one or two before. Point is- I don't buy for a second that Maximus was the first time he had to fight a heavily armored opponent. I don't believe that he wouldn't have something to combat such a foe, after all grenades and mines and energy weapons exist as well. And even if I am wrong and this was his first experience, I don't believe he would then be so completely capable of fighting them off in the last episode. Can't have your cake and eat it, too.
@@a_rat_named_mouse Cooper was laughing while fighting Maximus so was clearly having fun. He recently woke up after being in a grave for who knows how long. Why would he end his fun as soon as possible?
@@johnmathews2030 Ah, you're right, I forgot. He's stupid. That explains it. "He's having fun." yeah, that's probably also why he never kills Lucy either, because it's just so gosh darn fun.
Yeah there were 2 people "freaking out" and one was a guy who thought he was about to hook up and one was the first time pregnant mother who it happened to. You can educate all day long but I'm sure it's still a surprise. Nobody was running around confused like it never happened before. I don't think it typically gushes like that but that's more a comic thing and not something that makes the whole show bad. Really grasping for criticism on this one.
The vertibirds show up in 2, as does the Enclave, which was based on an oil platform in the ocean and had the/a POTUS. One of the spinoffs, Tactics, was predicated on a BoS schism, where they sent a reformer group to the east (Chicago) on an airship. The eastern BoS were reformers who wanted to take in new blood; this matches their portrayal in 3 and 4 as a bigger organization and major regional power rather than a small cult. It also could just be a Bethesda change. The western BoS wasn't reformed and so didn't take in new blood, which somewhat matches how they're portrayed in New Vegas, slowly dying out. The show seems to imply that this west coast BoS is reformed and acting like the Bethesda/ east coast BoS, but they're still dying out/ losing for some reason.
What i dont understand is why the Ghoul says to Hank at the end: "Wheres my family?" His wife betrayed the whole huamanity and is probably somewhere in a vault (probably dead, since its 200 years after the bombs) and he rode away on that horse WITH his daughter when the bombs fell. What does he meant with "where is my family"?
Well there is an implication that wife and daughter may still be alive. I have a pretty good feeling the wife was in cryo since she talked about being “in one of the good vaults”. They are definitely bringing her back, regardless of their past it was still his wife at some point. It may imply something happened to his daughter whether she was taken away from him fallout 4 style or ghoulified. I don’t find it strange, pretty standard drama for shows but I think it was foreshadowing he knows they are alive (hopefully, or it is dumb)
Yeah, people said the main character wasn't a Mary Sue because even though she can do everything, she's not perfect. I don't care - she's badly written, she contradicts the fallout universe where she wouldn't be good at combat unless she was trained to be a guard and even then they die in game pretty easily) and she just seems the bestest evah at almost every skill, so she's the equivalent of a level 100 right off the bat. And the anticapitalism makes me tired. The games were never like that. You chose to take jobs, you set up shops, if anything fo4 has *more* capitalism than in reality as soldiers have to buy supplies etc from the BoS and the food of the Institute is sold to you even if you lead the place. Heck, the minuteman general has to BUY ammo from the quartermaster?!! Corporatism capitalism.
He didn't spy on his wife because of the dog. He was spying because the rule that said "no dogs" came up out of nowhere, so he was concerned about what other new rules would suddenly appear. Sometimes I think some people aren't really watching the show and instead just looking for something to complain about.
@@yourewrongabouteverythingbro you probably watch slop if it has a even hint of “anti woke” and call it art, don’t even 😂😂😂. There are so many contrarians in this comment section.
@@yourewrongabouteverythingthat’s literally what happens in the show. He questions his wife about who is making these rules, and talks about how he didn’t fight a war against communists to give up his freedoms
Honestly this was some of the pettiest squabbling I’ve ever seen. Some criticism/differing options I could understand, but after a bit it just devolved into finding every excuse to hate something about the show. I have to wonder if some of these guys, particularly Mauler, actually have a show they enjoy, and if so how would they react if someone came along nitpicking at every possible thing.
@@lawrencetalbot8346 Its funny, becasue there are events in real life that if you turned into a show exactly second for second as it really happened in real life. theyd find details that didnt' "make sense" or to complain about.
@@lawrencetalbot8346if you watched Mauler for any amount of time, you’d know he’s addressed the fact that people wonder what he actually does enjoy. He has a bunch of things he actually likes. Also it wasn’t just nitpicking. They addressed major plot holes and contrivances. If you enjoyed the show then more power to you. Don’t be salty that others didn’t like it as much as you.
While listening to another video people go off about this show, I was reminded about how producers used to be very explicit about shows not being canon to the primary setting, in order to allow the writers to have their excesses without damaging the core worldbuilding. I was very surprised to hear Bethesda had done the exact opposite.
Bethesda used to know that. It's partly why after acquiring Fallout they made their games on the east coast... to create that distance from the original games.
But then people kept saying the west coast has better games and Todd decided that he hasn't looked for a family member in a while, luckily he now has 2 dads and a kid, that's got to mean at some point we can do other things than look for family members right?
Probably so it would have more of an effect of bringing people into playing the games, which looking at player counts it has. If it was total seperate from the games it would obviously still have an effect, but likewise if people feel like its directly connected to them their going to be more invested in either hating the show or not. Either way people get more of a reason to replay the games. All of the games have surged up in player count right after the show, they even put most of them on sale after the show dropped and it clearly worked.
Usually Mauler is on top of things. Its weird to see him misquote and not catch certain events in the show especially when he watched it twice. Vault 33 isn’t “genetically perfect” that’s not even said in the show so I don’t know how they laughed at that part, they are docile and genetically compatible with the leaders. The shootouts they overtly show the ghoul doesn’t have tungsten rounds loaded when max shows up. They mention it again later and then they show him loading tungsten rounds for the 2nd shoot out. You can like or dislike anything but shit don’t complain about something incorrectly when it’s spoon fed to you. I feel like this is the exact thing they would complain about people missing in an efap.
@@lordfarquaad8601 they show he only has one tungsten round when he fights max, he doesn’t have much time to unload and reload his rifle at the start of his fight as he chooses to reload his 12mm pistol. The next chance he has is when he is up on the bridge, but at that point he doesn’t have a vantage to hit the welding weakness. After he is off the bridge he beats max within like 20 seconds. So he could have chosen to unload and reload his rifle instead of his pistol but worst case scenario he now has two unloaded weapons if he can’t load it fast enough. He looses his pistol before getting on the bridge and now only has one weapon… he could load it then but he has only one round and no way to hit the weak point if he does. By the time he is back on the ground there is no time to reload plus he is busy making max look like a chump at that point.
@@adamschadt9513 two hundred years of living in a nuclear apocalypse, constantly surrounded by danger, has not taught him how to conserve precious resources but also not to reload while on the move. Alright then. "I'll try emptying my small arm weapons on a deathclaw before using the big guns to neutralise the threat"
@@jafareyes6244 Right? And what sort of bounty hunter would only have one weapon? The obvious thing to do is to keep another pistol always loaded with your special rounds
@@lordfarquaad8601 Because he had been buried underground for who knows how long and was laughing when fighting Maximus so was obviously having fun. Considering he's the kind of person that will, "...do this shit for the love of the game." it's not a stretch to assume he didn't instantly kill Max because that wouldn't be fun for him. Plus, we wouldn't get to hear him say, "'Cause you drive that thing like a fucking shopping cart." Cooper has two weapons. A small, four-chambered gun/pistol and a short Winchester-like rifle. He drops the pistol when Max punches him and it's the pistol he loads when fighting the Knights at the observatory. It's possible the special rounds only work with the pistol.
A "disservice" would be having them fly the united states flag (oh right, they did that too). What they did was an absolute destruction of the faction (at least NCR got to go with them).
Eh, I'll have to watch the whole season, but from what I've seen, it's a pretty fun ride. I never took the games too seriously, so I thought the humor was fine. We'll see how the remaining episodes go.
I have to ask, if in a bunch of scenes some of the background characters were trying to walk into a wall, would you argue it is being just like the games?
The thing that bothers me is that you literally have doctors bags in new vegas (and maybe 4 if I remember correctly although I barely remember anything about 4). To even craft the doctor's bag you need a forceps, a medical brace, a scalpel, and surgical tubing. It's not just soying over the stimpaks ffs like this stupid show
I'm glad to finally see people admitting the show wasn't this amazing thrill ride that did perfect justice to the lore. I'm a long time fan of FO, since watching over my Uncle's shoulder as he played Fallout Tactics way back when. I was veeeery disappointed with the series. It had some great moments, and I certainly see potential there. Also, I'm a pretty big fan of Walton Goggins, the guys performance is gold in pretty much every role he plays. But there were sooooo many hard problems with the series. In particular, the way they absolutely shit on the BoS was unacceptable. Our first introduction to a Knight and he's a cowardly tool who gets his shit pushed in by a Yao guai? Squires are just expendable pack mules who carry around ridiculously huge bags full of pretty much nothing? Brotherhood Elders are incredibly quick to just execute their own members for pretty much anything to the point where their own members are terrified to be called in for a meeting? An entire squad of Knights, Paladins and squires stands there in a hallway while they let a GHOUL monologue about how he's going to kill them and suddenly forget their power armor have lights built in and just stand there and die? Come the fuck on. And dont think we didn't notice the filthy commie is somehow portrayed as the good guy at the end of the day. The story was kind of garbage, a lot of the characters were dumb(looking at YOU Maximus). Outside of Lucy and Coop I really didn't like anyone.
was agreeing until u just had to mention politics lol, commie was a label given to them, what makes them an actual commie? if saying vault tech is evil is commie behavior then i dont think ur arguing the point that u think u are
"War. War never changes. The end of the world occurred pretty much as we had predicted. Too many humans, not enough space or resources to go around. The details are trivial and pointless, the reasons, as always, purely human ones." NOW LETS OBSESS OVER THE SPECIFICS OF HOW AND WHY TO SET UP THE VILLAIN. :V
I'm saying this as a long time fan of the Interplay/Black Isle/Obsidian fallouts, and who isn't really a big fan of the Bethesda games, it was a lot better than I was expecting. The thing is, even though I would be ripping this apart for lore inconsistencies if it were a genuine Fallout game, the requirements of good TV are much different from a good fallout game, and at its core, I simply cannot bring myself to dislike this show. It's got the core thematic substance of the games even if it screws up some technical aspects. It has the difficult task of riding the line between people who have no exposure to the games, like my girlfriend, and assholes like me who will continuously point out that there are no chickens in fallout, that the brotherhood of steel aren't just a bunch of dumb space marine imitators, that the NCR isn't just Shady Sands, ect. In this, it does a masterful job. It has enough to keep traditionalist fans engaged and doesn't destroy or pervert the core message to make some kind of arrogant subversion. It's generally respectful of its source material and doesn't overplay its hand. There's a little DNA from every Fallout game in it, while being able to tell its own story. Little details like the 10mm pistols being directly based on their Fallout 1/2 designs or the Pipboy 2000 making an appearance make me happy and give me faith that they actually took the time to go through the lore and decide what they could include and what they had to simplify or change to make the plot more engaging. And I'm okay with that. Of course, there's no guarantee that they won't shit the bed with the second season. And evaluated as a show, some of the dialog is clunky, some of the themes are a bit hamfisted, and a lot of the twists feel like they wrote the twist first and worked backwards from there. But I can't hate it. Because at its core, it is a story about the contrast between the new world and the old, of factions fighting over the best vision for humanity's future, of well-meaning and likable characters having their humanity stripped away bit by bit by the raw brutality of the wasteland, and some very funny dark humor. And really, that's the most important thing for any Fallout related media to have.
The vaults are on the opposite end of the city from the cathedral and the master didn’t have special knowledge of vault locations, literally takes him years to find vault 13 even with the water trade to the vault
@@informalgeek1196It literally takes him WEEKS not years. If you give the Vaults location away it reduced the timer to roughly 12 weeks or so. Dont treat the patch as canon. The 13 years was to remove the timer function to stop people whining. Not for narrative reasons. The master was gearing up to tear california apart as a beginning to his Unity plan. It cant be retroactively downplayed over a gameplay patch.
I just wish Bethesda would stop calling everything they have their hands on “canon” when they clearly can’t double check their own lore. This isn’t Elder Scrolls, there’s no dragon breaks.
@@sicor94 Jesus are you insane? its an adaption of the games, so it should be in broad sense. But for the story alone, i very much doubt there was a a story in those games where a vault dweller with a ghoul and an aspiring knight were trying to obtain a head for their own reasons (save a dad, find family, become knight) and all the little adventures in between and that turned out to be the unlocking of cold fusion.
Why is Moldover around after 200 years? She obviously wasn't part of the NCR in the early days, but was around when Shady Sands was destroyed. Is she leading the NCR remnants, or raiders? Why is she worshipped by former Shady Sands people? Just a cult? More importantly, what's her goal with the pill fusion core thing, to power LA? This doesn't seem like it would have changed the nature of the wasteland, where some power sources could already have been scavenged. This feels VERY Todd Howard. What's the point of Fallout 3? A big water filter you say? Yay, wow, revolutionary. I didn't even drink the water it made in the game. It was pretty obvious that the fusion core tech was what Moldover was after, right? This MacGuffin could have been the ability to reproduce the tech behind them, or even a more advanced Enclave version; instead of this providing the means to change the wasteland, she turns on a silly one-off power plant straight out of Chain Reaction. How is this different than an existing fusion core? Unlimited vs. limited somehow? It's as if there was no attempt to make me care at all. Why is this goal important, why did any of this happen? Is this power plant powering the entire country, or the world? Silly. It should have been that she needed to get one of these fusion core components unlocked in order to get the data to make new ones. Making NEW fusion cores, reproducing the almost magical technology of the vaults on the surface (like the G.E.C.K. but for the love of god come up with something new) rather than just scavenging, would have actually been important and better aligned with a resurgence of the NCR or other civilization, and would have been an understandable goal. Separately, I'm a little pissed they retconned some aspect of House, undermining his motivations given he's the head of RobCo and is in on the Vaults and knows about the war ahead of time.
probably facts. with the drout of public opinion with todays media amazon are probably going to jump on this for its lukewarm perception. and milk it into the dirt
Mandalorian went Mandalorian on season 1. This is 10 times dumber than Mandalorian. People are just settling for mediocre stuff. I accept that people think its fun, i just cant turn my brain off this much to stop noticing dumb things.
Except I don’t regret watching the first two seasons of Mandalorian. Just like I don’t regret watching season 1 of Westworld before it went to shit. I’m enjoying Fallout for the moment. If I stop enjoying it, I’ll stop watching it. People are way too uptight about this stuff.
I respect Drinker's opinion, and I know a lot of other viewers were positive on this, but it really does seem like Fallout is getting away with stuff that totally gets called out on lesser shows.
@@gringles Er for me it was the BOS acting like a bunch of incompetent dude bros, when the games consistently show them as a professional military outfit with quasi religious overhangs. The NCR being taken out despite it having a population of 700,000 and several cities - its sudden collapse would be like the collapse of the Roman Empire, it wouldn't just vanish. Oh and Vault-Tec replacing China as the guys who launched the bomb, that was weird and made no sense. I liked the show, thought it was fun, and can't wait for season 2, but I am still left with some ehhhhhhh feelings about some of their choices.
@@desertmammoth3159 See, I concede everything you say is true, but it didn't affect my enjoyment of the show. I'm ok with the Brotherhood having devolved somewhat. Its been 20 years since the events of New Vegas. Nothing stays the same, everything changes. Similarly NCR is way weaker than it was in New Vegas because the Brotherhood basically destroyed them economically and socially (due to the economic issues) so even though the Brotherhood lost the fight, they won the war really. The bottlecap being currency is a result of the NCR's economic plummet.
@@desertmammoth3159did you even watch it? The BoS thing is explained. That chapter has lost it's way and has become weak as described by the elder who wants to take it over. The NCR doesn't fall overnight. There's literally nothing to say it does, they're still operating at the end of the show. Not to mention there's Caesars legion to contend with, they could be losing that fight after the battle of hoover dam. Remember they control like at least 3 states. And I don't think vault tech dropped the first bomb either and there's nothing to really indicate that. Yeah in that meeting they say they will to the people they're financially beholden to. But do you really think the same woman who said that would drop the bombs while her daughter was out at a birthday party?
Fun fact: power armor has lights. You don't have to fumble around in the dark to shoot a filthy ghoul.
Thank you! I made an audible disgruntled noise at that scene. I mean I had to go back and see if their helmets actually had torches attached and they do! Lol
Only in Fallout 4
Lights.
Night Vision.
Thermovision.
Even frickin autoaim.
All depends on what upgrades the system received and T-60 should be the absolute top of the line.
@@fffx2 It's on since Fallout 1. The power armour on the game's poster already has the lights on the top of the helmet.
It was just never used, since it was an old CRPG.
Fallout 3 didn't used it.
New Vegas never had the chance to implement it, due to it being rushed.
Fallout 4 got it right... Power Armour was one of the few things that game got right.
@@StalkerQtya Except for the fact that power cores should last for one hundred years, as it was written in the description in the old games. On the other hand though, I have to concede that the power armour in fallout 4 is one of the best mechanics in the game.
Maximus has the idiot savant trait and 10 luck
Under rated insight
I didn't like him at all.
There we go😊
+1 to this someone who gets it... mauler was fuming cause he was too serious with a Fallout universe that doesnt take itself seriously
He is 1000% a 1 intelligence run, and I can't believe how few people realize it. He's like comically idiotic, I think they just dismiss it as bad writing because it's juxtaposed with his own emotional struggle within the BoS.
In Fallout 3, there is a quest where you try to appeal to people's humanity to allow ghouls to live in Tenpenny Tower, alongside humans. Many are open to the idea and want to be kind.
If you succeed, leave, and return later, you'll find that every single person has been killed by the ghouls.
What did Todd mean by this?
That the world isnt black and white and trying to do the right thing isnt simple or clearcut. Its like saying everyone should just take the homeless into their homes and there, problem solved. In reality sometimes that will work and sometimes that will lead to robbery or worse.
That the cycle of hatred and bigotry runs so deep that there is no easy answers to dealing with it. Duh.
@@artierupinen5192tribal humans gonna tribal human
Something about immigration
@@QualicSelf No.
Ugh this is infuriating to watch without being able to chirp in because every single person here is either unable to refer to the games or is incorrectly referencing things and ignoring larger context
It is because people that say the show is faithful to the games are just outright wrong
@@earth5043as a person whos never played the games, i feel like the show makes me feel like im experiencing a game, which itself makes show lackluster but the argument can go anyways but overall i feel like the show did what it needed to do
@@isaacsee3807true, there’s a few small jokes that reference stuff in the games like the shooting and overencumbered joke
@earth5043 the show definitely got stuff wrong but as I listen to half of maulers complaints half of them are because he either didn't pay attention or doesn't know the game lore. Except for the moldaver, no defending 9/10ths of that garbage heap of a plan
@@samuelmendoza5986 Who said going through 32 to get to 33 was her plan? That is an assumption MauLer is making. For all we know, she went to 32 to get their Overseer but found them dead. Then, she either snooped around and found out about the conveniently timed trade coming up or she knew about the trades because of Rose and went around that time so if things went wrong and the Overseer got ended then she wouldn't have to wait long for another chance.
Trans member of BOS, immediately self-harms. What did Bethesda mean by this?
I thought that was so ironic
Based Bethesda?
Damn lol I didn't even make that connection. At least she didn't have a mental breakdown and then rush an armed police officer with a knife. Silver lining.
Reflective of reality.
but you know that they will add that character as his scribe on season 2.. so that part of the story will suck hard unless some monster happens to eat the character after 2minutes lol.
You gotta love how Barb's reason for suggesting to nuke the world is that because the current world has factions there will always be war and war never changes, and then her solution is to have hundreds of different vaults compete for who gets to repopulate the earth because "the spirit of competition makes us so great"
Libertarians hate governments enough to destroy them.
@@Shockguey Nuking the world?
@@dragonmcmx Unironically yes.
Ancaps are defined by their blind worship of Mises and hatred of government.
This fullfils their "a man is an island" mythology.
@@Shockguey I'll be sure to let them know
@@etanb1 Thanks Bill Murray, very cool.
The funniest part of this is watching dudes who barely remember playing some of the Fallout games try to support the show with that knowledge.
I did play the games but I've also accepted Bethesda doesn't care for established lore and especially not from people who aren't a part of them so it was essentially what I expected because they don't care what the original creators did.
Here's the thing though even without knowing the games , the show was kinda good .And as long as they didn't butcher the sorce material or material its acceptable
@@sheldoncoffelt1891that’s true but these guys are showing how little they know about the series.
Regardless of your claims about ‘dudes on the panel barely remembering the games’ doesn’t change the fact that this show is horribly written.
It's possible to enjoy the show without having played the games and analyze it on its own this way. Having played the games doesn't give you authority over whether or not the show is good. You can compare the story to the games, and maybe not like the changes they made to it, but the show is a different medium.
"Eat shit. Billions of flies can't be wrong."
Lmao y'all neckbeard morons compare humans to flies. Classic and it's always the saddest dudes who make these comparisons.
Thats a silly analogy. Becasue if you were a fly, yes, those blilions wouldnt be wrong, shit would be good for you. And since you are a human, if a large number of humans like something, good chances are there is something to it.
@@firestarter000001
Cigarettes/vaping.
Porn/chronic masturbation.
Drinking.
Large percentage of the population does it, yet its objectively bad for you with minimal benefit outside of "it feels good" or "its fun"
Like this show. Im not surprised people like the show. Seeing things your recognize, from a world you love, is fun.
I can understand and see how people can watch it and enjoy themselves because of that.
Doesnt mean it gets to be called objectively good, or well written.
@@andrewcorrigan2329 Lmao that's a horrible take. "It feels good" and "it's fun" is a great reason for people to do stuff. Also that's 100% your opinion. Many people think this is a breath of fresh air due to the high stakes. You disagree and that's fine. Doens't mean everybody that disagrees with you can be compared to a fly. It's a total silly analogy, whenever somebody also starts comparing humans who disagree with them to "cattle" or "fly's" I can just tell y'all are seething.
Didn't voxis productions say that? Honestly, I think that some people just lack the maturity to say "yeah the show was shit, but I still enjoyed it" did I enjoy. I gotta be honest with you, I turned my brain off and Mauler's video did convince me that the series was terrible. I only hope that the show runners can take on board the criticism.
How can people claim to be fans of these games and not know that a) the Communists were Chinese not Russians and b) That the Prydwin appeared in Fallout 4, not New Vegas LOL
I think the older guy said he spammed Fallout NV for 6 weeks and that sounded like his entire experience of the franchise, though it also sounded like he had at least played through Fallout 4, so its forgivable for him mixing them up. Not knowing the Chinese were the other party in the Great War was big cringe though.
Maybe it's easy to get them mixed up because both those countries in reality were\are communist.
Because capitalism is worse I guess 🤷
Yeah, I really think that Drinker also needs to go back and play Fallout 1, 2 and NV again. I think he's really forgotten what those games are about, what their tone is and what the writing was like. And that's all besides the lore, which the show just ignores.
N saying the brotherhood were the remnants of the U.S military as well when that's what the enclave are, the brotherhood having renounced their allegiance to the U.S government after they found out about the FEV experiments that were taking place at their military base, pretty big difference
"I played Fallout Las Vegas to death"...clearly.
Ah yes, Fallout Las Vegas! I too remember playing The Deliverer and going to speak with Monsieur Home!
Ain’t that a punt in the noggin!
Powering through all dialogue like it was a speedrun. Lol
went to vegas and kept referring it to new vegas instead of las vegas
Dude, this comment chain killed me.
The thing that non fallout fans don't realize is that there's Todd Howard Fallout, and there's Non Todd Howard Fallout.
Todd Howard Fallout has VERY low consequences, spoon fed morals, and forced story decisions. It's aesthetically distinct, but it's safe, and controlled.
Non Todd Howard Fallout is much more dynamic, quirky, awkward, messy, gritty, ridiculous and has a distinct world and story. You get legitimately difficult moral conundrums and dark revelations followed up with the kookiest nonsense you've ever seen.
Rose's story in New Vegas was more morally nuanced than deciding to purge the railroad in FO4, and she's just one of many companions. Sussing out the morality of any one faction in New Vegas is incredibly hard. Even the Khans, who at first seem like little more than organized raiders, have significant moral justification and historic tragedies to contend with.
All that to say, This show is Todd Howard Fallout.
That's a really good observation. It's important to note, also, there is something of a generation gap in fallout. Most of the people reading your comment probably started with fallout 3 and never played the first two, which were much different animals.
"Non Todd Howard Fallout is much more dynamic, quirky, awkward, messy, gritty, ridiculous and has a distinct world and story. You get legitimately difficult moral conundrums and dark revelations followed up with the kookiest nonsense you've ever seen."
I don't think you've actually played Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel.
I'm not disputing anything you say here.
HOWEVER.
Tim Cain praised the show. PR speak? Genuine appreciation? Some third option? . . .
The thing that non Fallout fans need to realise is that people like you are literally not worth listening to at all. You wont ever be happy. You want New Vegas to be copy and pasted forever. Nothing can ever change. While the vast majority of people think the show is great, you'll still be here grasping at straws claiming to be the "true fallout fans" while everyone else moves on. You're not intelligent, you're not insightful, you're just a contrarian.
@@vincelang3779 He's an adult with adult opinions. These are children trying to pretend they're "original fans" and being needlessly negative towards anything new. They'll cope and seethe making excuses saying Tim Cain was paid off or is threatened to praise the show because these fanatics are genuinely deluded.
You don't know the geography? Here's a fun fact about the geography. Seeing as Lucy started out at the Santa Monica Peer and reaches as far as Shady Sands means she walked approximately THREE-HUNDRED AND FIFTY MILES! And that's as the crow flies, one way, by the way.
Yes. Also: pier.
Didn't they rearrange the locations? Bear in mind I'm too lazy to look it up beyond what I remember but didn't they put Shady sands inside the boneyard so the entire show is inside Los Angeles?
@@samuelmendoza5986 They also said it was in canon.
"The Enclave is small in the games"
Laughs in Frank Horrigan.
In F:NV they are because the Chosen One wiped out their West Coast operations for good
They initially weren't supposed to exist outside of the oil rig. They were gonna be small, but Bethesda cant let a good thing die in its time.
They should be most definitely be non existent at this point. They’ve been wiped out 3 times.
@@MultiKbarry New Vegas was the perfect send off for the enclave.
How tall was Frankie? 5 or 6 meters?
"Who calls them communist" The writers. The writers are calling them communist, and then the communist claims they are not communist, they're just the anti-capitalist.
I feel like a lot of people are unfamiliar with McCarthyism and what it entailed. Branding people you didn't like as Communist or Socialist happened an awful lot in the 50's. Now, that isn't to say the show did a good job communicating this, mind you.
@@kw9849 McCarthyism is underrated. Would could have used a lot more of it. Would have saved the country trillions of dollars and a lot of culture.
@@patriot639Turned out he was right about more than Hollywood would care to admit. Most of the types of people who whined about the blacklists for decades are doing the very same today.
@badlaamaurukehu exactly came here to say this, I recommend Razorfist's excellent video where he explains away the revisionist history applied to McCarthism
@@kw9849 Even in a Christian private school I was taught that McCarthyism was a "witch hunt", but as an adult living in the USA and looking into it with critical eyes; I think McCarthy was absolutely correct.
Bezmenov basically proves this in the 80's with his warnings that the KGB's primary activities were 'long-game' ideology-based investments. It would appear that they set the plans in motion having fully believed that communism and the USSR would be there to reap the rewards. Or maybe even the CCP, but Russia/China have never been particularly closely allied.
I don't believe Lance played New Vegas, at all. Maybe he meant 3?
Ghouls aren't zombies.
He called it fallout las vegas.
Feral ghouls are zombies by definition
@@Tzreoaor Wrong, but okay.
@@TzreoaorThey're not undead
They go hollow, essentially, and then I'd say they're at least functionally zombies.
I hate it when adaptations take abstract concept that work only in the game, literally. Like "health packs". I don't think that's how it should fly in a tv series.
If they gave some cash to the animations department they could fudge up some convienient little "white lie" that 'actually it's nano bots that sutures you together and the liquid is just saline to re-hydrate your body'... It could work if you zoomed in and saw small spider glue together wounds and stuff, but that would take actual effort... like actually do a quick reading of the lore on the wiki before writing the script or making Knight Titus look competent like the veteran he should have been.
It's not too hard to have someone reading the ingredients and go "what's is nano machines"?
A huge reason this show is successful is because of the fact it isn’t ashamed of its video game origins and stays true to that source material.
Um that's part of the lore and canon of fallout
Stimpaks. They are called Stimpaks and the way they function makes sense.
Except Stimpaks are a literal part of the games' lore? They aren't abstract at all? Now, if we suddenly had VATS pop up on screen, then I would agree that would be pushing it.
Didnt Lucy get a full dose of Radioactive Raider Semen ? 😂😂😂
This might not be where you’re coming from… but I’ve noticed what seems to be a weird trend of media in 2024 just ignoring the fact that sex can result in pregnancy. I was pretty baffled when the movie Poor Things did a deep dive on feminine sexuality and simply ignored the subject of pregnancy entirely, despite showing many graphic sex scenes that imply insemination. Particularly odd because the premise of story made it so all they needed was a throw-away line in the beginning about how Bella was unable to reproduce…
@PhonesHQ that wasn't so much what bothers me what I did find odd was that a a raider allows himself to be taken on a table ans rode by a naive vault dweller ... like we know how that scene would actually go. it felt like they wanted an "empowering woman on top scene" which just didn't fit
u could fudge that he was irradiated and had such a low sperms count that its unlikely she would get pregnant. or maybe she will at some point find out she is pregnant
there are some odd things but tbh most of the time its not a bad effort for a video game adaptation
@@PhonesHQ They do eventually imply that she cannot due to the c-section, in this era, maybe that is true? Although they had other weird medicines, but her whore friend also had a scar and worked the same job with no pregnancy issue either, so maybe they were unable?
@@vkdeen7570 Lucy made is very clear she was ready to get down to business like twice before the marriage happens, so her being eager is fine. Had she resisted, I can see what you mean. Also yeah, the "Whats your sperm count" could be a nod to it being likely a raider would have a low count to being exposed to the rads, so that can work too. You guys keep trying to create problems where they don't exist, just have some fun, its a fun show, its not flawless, but its very much in the right spirit.
the Ghoul baby will be in the next season.
Vault-Tec is not just capitalist, they are specifically corporatist
Not just corporatist, they were in league with the Enclave in Fallout 2. Not directly, but the Enclave President claims responsibility for the Vault experiments. So all the unethical Vault-tec stuff was government backed and endorsed.
@@AusSP So it was outright fascist then
@@AusSP is that in number 2?
Complaint about Vault-Tec being stup|d when they shouldn't be is utterly invalid; the point was some of the experiments conducted in the Vaults were just nuts.
By Tim Cain's admission, the original creator, Vault-Tec's experiments, while unethical, were supposed to be utilized to advance humanity's science to get off the Earth in order to repopulate another planet. The experiments weren't supposed to be wacky and atrocious for the sake of it. Considering a journey to another planet would be a multi-generational endeavour, the Vaults needed to stress-test the few humans alive in a closed and controlled environment for different purposes: growing crops, continuous breeding, how to cope with mechanical failures etc... They weren't supposed to be Saw movies...
the "but that's what happens in the games" in regards to taking damage and the amount of plot armor is such a weird take, that is for gameplay reasons, not for story or lore reasons, i would not expect an elder scrolls series to show the protagonist putting one hand up saying "time out !" and eating 500 wheels of cheese just because that's what happens in the games, it's gameplay convenience so its easy to ignore, in a story trying to be serious however its just silly and hard to take seriously.
Well said, my thoughts exactly
Is the story trying to stay serious though? I feel like the show is quite comedic in various ways, much like the Fallout games. Like, the tone of Elder Scrolls is generally trying to be more serious, disregarding specific side quests and characters like Sheogorath.
Whereas in Fallout, you can have a conversation with your own brain after it has been removed by your body by insane old-world scientists, who are also effectively just their brains inside robotic bodies. Like, there are moments the story does tell seriously, like the confrontation in the final episode. But during those moments, there also isn't anything ridiculous going on?
This show is not attempting to be a Zack Snyder super cereal no humor show. It's clearly meant to have satirical comedy in it, such as when Snip Snip gives Lucy a new finger and offers her comfortable clothing even though he's planning to harvest her organs or when Lucy and Maximus are kissing and the heads they are holding are face-to-face like they're also kissing.
@@Birthday888
Well, there are different types of comedy.
In the games all those brains in the jars are absurd, but consistent. And, in a way, even tragic.
In the show characters are simply robbed of any growth just to replay the same "lol so stupid" jokes over and over again.
@@Birthday888 Fallout being comedic is a Bethesda change, 1 and 2 had funny moments but they weren't constant like in 4 or 76. It stood out when something made you laugh
There's a cut quest in Fallout 2 where it is demonstrated that Stimpaks will instantly heal injuries, its not just a Gameplay HP mechanic. The Chosen One is tasked to accompany a Tribal named Krom to meet a shady merchant who slashes one of his own guards across the face with a knife and then uses a Stimpak on him, which closes the wound in seconds.
Seems like it was cut for a reason then, and plus NV’s Hardcore mode and Fallout 4’s normal mode both have stims act over time.
@@Slender_Man_186Whether it was cut for time or because they didn't agree with the premise is unknown. Having played the F2 Restoration Project I'd wager the former as the tribe in question is the home of Sulik, the first potential companion the Chosen One can recruit. Fallout 4's changes to various mechanics are not worth taking seriously as they are gay and cringepilled & NV's Hardcore mode is essentially just a challenge mode to increase the difficulty.
The Fallout 1 manual describes them as thus "A stimpak (short for Stimulation Delivery Package) contains many healing chems. A soup of healing medication, if you will. By injecting the Stimpak, you drastically increase your own recuperative functions and restore lost hit points almost instantly."
I’m guessing china’s fault in the war was removed so they could sell this show in china..
I'd like to think that isn't true, but...🤔
Of course that's why... bing chilling
Exactly, and that's the thing I hate most. Even though it was the conflict between China and the US that caused the Great War in the games, there were still nuanced characters like Captain Zao. That's a TON more nuance than anything the CCP would portray if they'd created a Chinese Fallout with a ghoulified American captain. He would be portrayed as completely evil.
I HATE how Hollywood, Amazon, and AAA studios now pander to the CCP. Disney even yeeted Finn's character from the Chinese Star Wars sequel posters, and they changed the lighting on the Chinese "The Little Mermaid" to make her look almost White because China hates Black characters. I wonder how Amazon will alter Maximus for the Chinese version. . .
You do realize it was never stated who dropped the first bomb right? On top of that it's not confirmed that vault tec dropped the bombs just because they said they were willing to. If they were the ones who did, don't you think house or vault tec would have been more prepared. The main character of fallout 4 barely got to the vault on time
@@dragoncat5412 nope, don’t realize any of that. I don’t follow any of the fallout canon/lore, I was just responding to someone commenting that the war between the us and china was left out of the show, which I attributed to the fact that Hollywood studios often omit any details from media if it is likely to be disliked by China, because that’s a huge part of their market.
I think its great to see people disagree on if they liked or disliked the show, it really shows that people do think critically and arent just saying stuff thats going to be the most popular take.
It also brings a great example of disagreeing and debating in a constructive way.
Its how we figure out what makes something objectively good.
Yeah sadly some critics resorts to throw slurs when someone give valid criticism towards them. Like yeah it’s okay to not like it and criticize, but to the point of downright hating people for simply liking it is just unhinged.
Kudos to people know who I’m talking about.
THIS, this is a lesson I wish most people could learn. Agree to disagree isn't just a thing you say when want an argument to stop, it's actually just accepting that people have different opinions and that you don't have to turn every discussion into an actual debate.
amen. I’m worried we are inching closer to the attitudes of the woke left, where if you step slightly out of line you are demonized.
Get out of here with your reasonable observations
Agreed. However I personally feel about the show, I like seeing a spirited debate
Most notable thing: THE THING OPENS WITH A LORE BREAK.
Fallout 4 Establishes
- that the bomb began to drop just around 9:30 AM EST You can see the clock in the living room when the game starts).
- by 9:42 the Boston area was LEVELED and all remaining clocks read 9:42 when Nate/Nora get out of 111.
The Fallout TV show opens with:
- A Birthday Party that's in broad daylight and then the bombs drop
- The Birthday Party was clearly in LA
- The tv show seems to focus on is California with 2 exception, the introduction of The ghoul character & where the villain goes at the end.
If you don't understand, LA is 3 hours behind Boston, meaning if it was 9:30/9:42 am in Boston, then it'd be 6:30/6:42 am in LA.
In October especially around the week that the great war starts: Sun rise for LA doesn't get a full sunrise UNTIL approximately 7 am, until that point for about 50 minutes, it's " Nautical" twilight followed by "Civil" twilight for the other 30. which Nautical twilight like normal twilight or an overcast day has that feeling of "Kinda dark outside but not/Kinda Light outside but not" When the birds naturally start waking up and chirping though the sun isn't out. And civil twilight is that "picture prefect" moment from the movies where the hero stands proudly JUST as the sun crest.
Meaning someone fucked up on that VERYYYY first scene in the show.
So?
Fallout 4 was garbage, so I don't really care what it establishes.
Bethesda's favorite pass time is to destroy the lore they created because their writing sucks and I'm tired of people trying to defend this shit.
@@paulbadman8509 so literally the first frame either breaks lore with fallout 4 and thus Bethesda Canon , or for some reason or another NO ONE ON THE WEST COAST was aware the east coast was NUKED and then they got hit hours after
@@Turd_Rocket it's nit about if you care , it's about the fact Bethesda is trying to say "oh this doesn't change anything " when it does
Mauler and Reaper are dead on with how stupid the writing and the plot holes are, that being said the show is overall enjoyable, but they really should clean up the show for the bad plot issues.
Did they mention how Moldaver survived 200+ years?
no, but she probably froze in some vault, because I don't think she's a less deformed ghoul...
Its closer to 180 years, but likely the same way they did in Vault 31. She had connections I would assume, she'd know what they were planning to do and found someone to get her a pod of her own probably.
@@Zenn3k and if my understanding of the timeline is correct shady sands was destroyed at the end of new vegas, it's about 15 years before the show, and she was already at some level of influence in NCR, so she must be at least 15/30 years of experience in the wastelands, all this to die in the most... anticlimactic way I've seen from the show lol
They used the same b.s. of Fallout 4, cyrotubes in Vault 31, The vault in FO4 was supposed to be THE test of that technology.
It's the only real plot thread they didn't do anything with and is my biggest mark against it
This was the true “civil war” we all didn’t expect
A civil discussion does not a civil war make.
@@EatWave Right? Someone commented on last weeks open bar that drinker and mauler "broke up" over Lady Gaga, and in reality it was one of the most civil discussions I'd ever seen on the internet.
@@EatWave these people in the video had a civil discussion, the same cannot he said for those in the comments, let alone the rest of the audience. I really didn’t understand why so many people are so outraged that people enjoyed the show. I almost feel like they’ve been so conditioned to hate everything that comes out these days, that when something the Audience does enjoy, they have to look for any reason to dislike it less they experience cognitive dissonance
as a video game adaptation this is a 10/10. anyone remembers dragon ball?? shudders
played 1 to 4 and all dlc's in between. pretty surprised that people did not like the show. the term hate grift comes to mind. tbh before the show released, the female protag in the show gave apprehension to be a girl boss.
@@aSSGoblin1488 or heck even the halo show which also streamed on Prime/Paramount. This was 1000 times better than that garbage. And I’ll admit I was very apprehensive about this show after initially seeing the trailer. But after the first episode I found myself enjoying it and binged the whole thing in a night. I really like Lucy’s character. She very much reminds me of the first time I played Fallout 3 trying my hardest to do a good karma run and eventually saying F it.
It’s refreshing to hear Mauler use the full force of argumentation that he’s capable of after he was so clearly pulling his punches with SWTheory.
Where can I find that discussion? On SWTs channel?
@@xeroeddieon SWT's channel and also on Mooler
On Mooler, the thumbnail is him dressed as a Frenchman with wine and SWT next to him, so, should be easy to spot
They also later on ran a short podcast together, which could be what OP is specifically referring to, in that podcast mauler was REALLY holding himself back from disagreeing with him much
@carruthers100 I’m sure many points come across this way on a livestream when everything’s off the cuff but surely you wouldn’t say that about MauLer’s Fallout video that came out a few days ago?
@@sadeknight9112 I tried watching the video live but when Mauler could resist insulting the creators over the Yao Guai sneaking up on it's prey of all things, I turned his video off. He's clearly driven by emotion, let him have his little tantrum. He's stated in previous EFAPs he barely cares about the games, mostly goofed around in Fallout 3 and it's Mothership Zeta DLC.
@carruthers100 Truth. MauLer's rant was exactly that and a lot of his misconceptions would be cleared if he watched the show again and actually watched it instead of acting like a triggered leftist.
I'm glad to finally see a debate between friends and you guys are still good after that you don't see that anymore
For a breeding vault there seems to be a remarkable lack of children of all ages.
The control vaults were made to accommodate a population of 1,000 people. A breeding vault should would be designed for several times that, and would have only the healthies members of society.
@therotten6152 if you watched the show you would know why it's a spoiler plot point
@therotten6152
Pity casting.
Bruh, they're too young for that
It's a management vault, they only need people to make food for the managers to carry on
Fucking brilliant that were not an echo chamber and we CAN have the debates, without bust ups.
Oh yeah, I've been WAITING for this discussion to happen after Drinker said he liked the show because I knew someone was going to disagree. I wasn't disappointed, this was going to be a good discussion.
Yeah felt uncomfortable at first since it's so rare, but great to see.
Better than the screaming matches people usually get into over shows like this. They aren't just going "You are sub human if you like this show!!!" or "You just hate everything!!!" there is a genuine discussion going on
Who is we? I’ve seen some nasty things in these comments roasting people for actually enjoying the show.
Keep telling yourself you're not an echo chamber lol. Most of these people only ever have an agenda.
31:07
Thank you Mauler
Disney isn't even part of the discussion anymore. Thank you for pushing past the old news. This show is mediocre and the panel shouldn't be defending something so weak.
Tell me you don't understand Fallout without actually telling me you don't understand Fallout.
It's a video game and I couldn't care less.
@@dennisshaper4744Okay. Those of us who do care will be right here, and you can go away and be a good little consumer in peace.
I dont understand birthday parties at 642am.
I don't understand brotherhood being cowards.
I don't understand how the only black character allows dude to die, then steals his armor, then larps as someone else, then brands a dude. Unless the jewish writers wanted to paint the only black lead as a sociopathic idiot.
I don't understand how ghouls are super human now.
List goes on but you get the idea. You know, telling us all you don't know fallout without telling us kinda thing
@@CapitalTeethbe a good little consumer? Youre the one buying the game, youre the one who states they care about it 😅
@@80sRetrosaurHis point is that the other guy is accepting the product uncritically and waiting for the next one. That's the bite in that comment. Not that one person spent more money than another.
The bars been set so low. I think alot of people are just starved for anything remotely fun
I think you might be onto something.
That is exactly what is happening bro and I’m tired of it they are the reason we keep on getting these woke shit shows
This. I felt the same about Baldurs Gate 3. A pathetic faux "sequel" to my favourite game of all time. Either peoples intelligence has degraded that much or producers hire extemely dilligent fake fans or highly convincing bots.
I look at whats considered high quality today and despair. It doesnt even seem to be motivated by critical thinking but fad herd mentality.
I sat and watched Cyberpunk 2077 release and said "guys its not that bad its maybe 6-7 territory. Just about passing grade if you ignore the criminally broken last gen release".
Then Phantom Liberty drops and Im like "guys its not that good. Its still the same 6-7 game it was its just been tweaked a bit."
@@jmlaw8888 womp womp
It’s the age of mediocrity. Swiftly followed by the age of Idiocracy.
You're telling me that a satellite just HAPPENS to fall like that? NO! He orchestrated it! TODD!
And he gets to be the head of a gaming studio? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance!
but not our Todd, couldn't be precious Todd
He Starfielded through a sun roof!
Yea, Vault 33 didn't live up to breeding vault characters. Have diversity, but gorgeous diversity.
@@External2737 bro, u just killed the chuck mcgill thread. Boo this man!!!
This was a fascinating debate, I haven't often seen the participants on Open Bar have a difference of opinion. And it addresses most of the issues I had with the show.
I feel like Drinker has become less critical of shows these days. Don't settle Drinker, keep up the good fight for quality.
Why do I kinda think the writer's of this show are going to pin everything on S.P.E.C.I.A.L. Like vaultgirl has max luck, b.o.s dude has max charisma and so on.😅
Lucy starts in Santa Monica beach which is just about 8 miles away from the Observatory that Moldiver is in. In Episode 8 we get a sky view of the geography, they literally could have watched Lucy's adventure with binoculars.
BUT, how or why were they in the desert and forest???
@stevef68 It's over 200 years after the bombs dropped in 2077. The land and environment would change with time. You would be surprised with how diverse the land is around Los Angeles. For example I live about 20 miles from the city and it is wetland area that was converted to a city with mostly concrete. You wouldn't know it was a wetland before. As for forests, Los Angeles is surrounded by forests as you move away from the main city. California also has deserts as you go east towards Nevada (like fallout New Vegas and the mojave).
27:30 Gary thinks Fallout 76 is the 75th sequel to Fallout. 🤣👏
Omg I didn’t put those two things together until seeing your comment. I know he’s not a gamer like the rest of the panel, but that’s still really funny.
He's a good-looking guy, but definitely *is* in his 50s, and spent a lot of time outside of culture with his past. So yeah there are blindspots on some stuff lol. He's wrong in this debate overall, but he's still great.
lol.. ty... I quit watch cuz I dont like ppl saying shit about what they DONT know and Its a waste of time. And you prove it 🤣😂
@@TRONvixGary is definitely one of the biggest shit talkers lol
Gary has a son that talk to him about this. He was most likely joking, but he can still talk about the show he watched and that’s all he did.
The comparison with the Arcane is brilliant.
In the League of Legends characters respawn after death. Should we make characters respawn in the show too? It would represent the game alright.
Fuck it. Let's go all out. Throw in the duplication glitch aswell as inventory and health bars. We just solved the wasteland, boys. Good job 😂
Why couldn't the whole show be about Walton Goggins' character and his adventures?
It's because they can represent player choice and how we pick different roles. Lucy is the naive vault person, Waltons character has survived the wasteland, and maximus is so we can get in depth BOS lore.
@@666slateran666 The showrunners have already said that they don't care about pleasing fans, so you're putting a lot more thought into it than they did.
Walton Goggins character and backstory is 10/10. a lot of other things in the show are garbage.
@@blankfrankie3747 I mean. If they weren't pleasing the fans then why have so much fan service and in jokes?
@@blankfrankie3747 I know it hurts to hear this but when making a TV SHOW, gamers are not the target audience. Despite this they did their best to fill it with as many references and Easter eggs they could without it being too much. So I thought they did great.
The biggest headscratcher for me is Knight Titus' entire existence. He's an incompetent, impulsive coward who somehow occupies a slot that's tougher than being in the US Marines. He panics and gets merced by a mutant bear even though he's supposedly a combat veteran wearing armour that's shown to be able to punch and kick with the force of a cannonball. I get we're supposed to hate him, but it makes the Brotherhood look like huge morons for allowing him to get to such a high position.
Dude maxed out luck
The Grandmaster said the Brotherhood was losing its way and that he plans to rebuild it.
Maybe Bethesda is being accidentally based. The US military has promoted a ton of people beyond their worth lately.
Because he's a white guy
The Brorherhood of Steel should no longer exist in the West Coast, not like this.
But the reason they wrote him that way is because they hate masculinity, the military, the very concept of knighthood and warrior culture, as well as hating cis white men.
I like how the cousin got roped into raising and being in a relationship with a pregnant woman.
"we r all cowards. thts why we live in a vauly"
you gotta keep the soyboy cucked stereotype in this show after all
Youve overdosed on redpills.
They're not cousins, she's from a different vault. She's also a widow.
There's nothing wrong with this.
such a simp.
She's from 31 so she's a manipulater
Drinker fails to understand the absolute propaganda this show forces into down the audiences throat. This is nudge theory in action.
It makes me so happy to see Reaper in these.
He does nothing but whinge. He’s a very generic hate nerd with a generic hate nerd fan base.
Actual, unedited critique? Allowing people to have differences of opinion? Other youtubers take note
I liked Madness from Normal Boots. They were all there in person, though. So that panel debate about the best N64 game or best 90's cartoon felt a bit more personal.
Lots of them do you just don't watch.
You can disagree without disagreeable.
Too bad everyone in the debate is equally dumb
How is Muldover alive, it's been 200 years..... Did she freeze her self or what?
If she did, and she was the same age as in the flashback, it still doesn't explain her age not progressing like Hank's.
She was the same age 200 years ago, she was the same age while in power at Shady Sands, and she's the same age now.
Meanwhile Hank went from a baby to old man, after being thawed out.
We see Cryo Suites available at the TOP casino in New Vegas so I'm guessing the implication is that Cryo freezing is readily available in the show.
multiple vaults have cryo tech? she was a genius scientist business owner pre war? ie the type that might get into one????
@@0rurin She's definitely older and not all people age the same.
@@johnmathews2030all people age the same, genetics won’t change how cells work.
I hate the fact that they just accept that ghouls just have super healing abilities. That has never been the case, like if you cut their throat they fucking bleed out, they aren't fucking deadpool. You get shot in the back twice I expect you to deal with it later not sit down eat a tato and not even use a stimpack
So then, Ghouls should just be Humans that can withstand radiation and live longer?
@@johnmathews2030isn’t that what they are In the game?
@@mommasbigboy8656 Ghouls also regenerate when exposed to radiation to the point they can reattach limbs or in the case of the Marked Men survive being constantly flayed alive by a radioactive sandstorm. The show changed it from healing from radiation and feralness being random to increased healing at all times and feralness being held back by a mystery serum, which ghouls are now dependant on. Also, we can't ignore the fact that Cooper was eating throughout the fight.
Fallout is my favorite game series of all time. I've not watched this and after hearing people's takes and the defenses of criticisms I won't be. Every defense I've heard sounds just like all the other stuff from people who have been defending bad media in recent years. " Yeah but (insert character) isn't very bright", "yeah but it's supposed to be stupid", "that's how it happened/happens in the game". Hearing Mauler give his opinion I feel confident skipping this show is the right decision. Now I'm gonna go boot up my laptop and play Fallout again
You missing out. Mauler is conditioned beyond repair. He sees everything dumb and wokeified even then itt isnt. Looking for high intellect in post apocalyptic , no schools , no education, no fucking reading ability community... soyboy
If you follow MauLer's god-awful and undeserved opinion of it, you'll miss out on a fun entertaining TV show that does the games justice imho.
(Speaking as a fan who has played them ALL since the original in 97)
@simonspoke I have heard lots of stuff about it, both good and bad. I doubt I would enjoy it and Amazon has zero good faith from me, after other "adaptations," I will not be giving them the benefit of the doubt on anything
@@itsmecid2106 I think this is one of Amazons good ones because of Jonathan Nolan's input, but up to you my dude.
@@itsmecid2106I had a similar thought process until I watched Tim Cain's opinion on the show. If the creator thinks it feels like Fallout, then I trust him. And I'm glad I did
Walton didn’t spy on his wife over the dog, even though dogs are part of the family and his wife doesn’t care at all. It was the first thing to start making him question what Vault Tec was doing. Decisions being made and his wife acting funny keeping secrets. It doesn’t help he hates Bud and his wife has zero problem with the guy.
yeah it was almost like someone told him vault tec wanted to end the world, then he listened in and uh....
Never married huh?
@@ThirtytwoJ It makes sense though. He trusts his wife but not Vault Tec.
You're exactly right Jandoc. The show spoke up to us, showing the passing of time in each flashback, each time chipping away at his original holy view of the righteousness and altruism of vault-tec. He started off loving them, loving his wife.
He learned that vault-tec was evil, and started seeing his wife WAS vault-tec. Her lying to him about Roosevelt, his Good Boy, showed the cracks form that she was not the woman he married.
Also it wasn't so much the decision about dogs not being allowed (he can probably understand the reasoning) but what bothered him was that there would be all these rules being decided by clandestine people with no way to talk about it when he risked his life and watched his friends die to defend their freedoms and way of life. All to have things decided for him behind closed doors
There was a claim for 33 water chip failing too. Never to be discussed again
Why are you such a nitpicker! Silence!
That was likely an easter egg for the first Fallout game. The inciting incident for the entire game (or series, if you'd like) is that Vault 13's water chip breaks down and you have go to out into the wasteland to procure a new one.
Think you need to rewatch it, the speech about relocation and water usage from vault 32 covers for that
I get that it was an Easter egg for the fans, but it has the potential to be a major plot point and it’s never mentioned again so kinda weird to me
@@AP-lh1bq does it have the potential for a major plot point? Sure. However, just because the potential is there doesn't need to be explored if its an easter egg, especially given the (over) abundance of such easter eggs in the games.
This is hilarious. Just how the Fallout fans fight over the games
I really enjoyed this show. I quickly identified that this show wasn't taking its seriously and was actually using absurd game mechanics in place of shity movie tropes, as well as stupid Bethesda thinking. I for one appreciated it as I took it as fan service attempts and I didn't mind at all.
The Buddy brain robot didn't say that the vault dwellers of 31 and 33 had Superior genetics, he said they were chosen because their genetics would best combine with his buddies
They're arguing about things that they themselves don't completely understand. Lol
The amount of people who so clearly do not understand or don't care and then argue about all this is what makes it all so frustrating. People seem like they can't just say they like it cause they don't care about the lore and "omggg cool armor and scary ghoul omgg" they have to try and find ways to make it make sense, the problem is, people don't realize who they're dealing with, with Todd Howard, there is no continuity, the game is rigged from the start...
Right, he wanted the leadership bloodlines from 31 to breed with the kindness and obedience bloodlines from 32/33
I thought they said the genetics were chose to make the best managers for when Vault Tec rebuilds everything? Or that they were the best genes from the Vault Tec managers. Something to that effect.
@@popofabulous he said they were chosen to be compatible with his junior executives
Lance played "Fall out las vegas"
Yeah, get the name wrong every time. And trust me, I will call it that again
@@THEOUTCASTSCREATIVE Happens to us all lol. 👍
@@Zac_Frost no it doesn’t. No fan of Star Wars ever called them “space battles” by accident, especially when he gets it wrong “every time”
@max7971 Well, that'd be replacing the entire title. Rather than just slipping on one word.
And I've heard people refer to it as "Space Wars" by accident.
@@Zac_Frost Did you not hear Lance's explanation for how much he played Fallout "Las Vegas". He played Fallout "Las Vegas" from the time he woke up early in the morning, til two in the morning several days a week (so he says). I have *NEVER-EVER* heard a Star Wars fan of that caliber call it "Space Wars" on accident. *EVER*
In regards to AC: Shadows, have you guys ever thought that they are intentionally fucking with the male protagonist, to push people to play the female counterpart more so they can get the statistics up?
Both Odyssey and Valhalla had the option to play as either, and BOTH had the majority playing as male.
Do you think this could be another reason why they'd give you a character no one wants to play as in this setting?
So the cope out is that since it's based on a video game it's not supposed to have consistency and believability? I have a feeling the people who say that haven't played a video game in a long while, because we gamers expect those things just as much in the game's story told through cutscenes. And even if you completely dismiss the believability such as a turret gun completely missing every shot while the old man jogged past in a straight line, that's not how it happens in a game, you get decimated pretty fast.
He is partially right. But to be honest some things just don't translate very well and should be changed. Same when you adapt a book. Some things don't work in live action.
The entire script of this show is criminally bad. I couldn't watch past second episode. Visuals and actors can only carry so far before it starts showing how utterly stupid the writing and plot are.
Stimpaks
@@MesserMusic Yeh! The Stimpaks that noone uses, that is. Why use Stimpak for the bleeding after you just lost leg - nooo, walk into the Wasteland and bleed out! Drink Cyanide haha!
Why mention that the cold fusion is in your neck, ughh that would be dumb?! Tell her to chop your head off! She might damage the thing , but who gives a fucc. Carrying head around is "whacky", who needs logic?? Just CONSUME THE PRODUCT.
Morons.
"that's not how it happens in a game, you get decimated pretty fast." Even on F4 survival mode, I can't recall ever being killed by a ballistic turret. Maybe one of the Institute's laser turrets, but those low level gun turrets are only good for spraying bullets.
Dooku voice “I’ve been looking forward to this”
And a clip that’s 4 times the length of a normal one. They really wanted all the long in this one
It needed to be talked about. People needed to hear this discussion.
@@Gakusangi oh absolutely
Ah, yes. Just like your mom.
It is 4 times the length of a normal one. With 16 times the detail
@@1eyeddevil929We're gonna need ...
A fun detail about the fridge the brotherhood kid hides in is that there's a hole in the backside of it. so he would have not only been blasted but also radiated like mad.
The Fallout world cares zero about being scientific. Same thing with Ghouls… an irradiated person would just die, but the world operates on uneducated fantasy. It’s good though, I like it.
That detail should have been picked up on considering how many times they reuse that scene.
Honestly, I almost felt like this was like a jab at the Indiana Jones nuke scene lmfao
@@RipzCritical how is repeating the same mistake a jab? 😂
Another fun detail is when you receive a dose of Grey's you become *irradiated*... not radiated
41:20 Gary liked the dog simply for being a dog and his wife loved it without any thoughts as to what could be improved. I can relate.
The Critical Apologist
Lance has been more aggravating than the Drinker on that Open Bar. "I played New Vegas, I'm pretty sure the airship first appeared in that game." "My favourite adult cartoon is Big Mouth. It's cleverly written."
Edit: I've relistened to the stream. Lance does not say it's cleverly written, but he does say "the writing is really good and it's definitely not woke." Time stamp: czcams.com/users/live3C34mgQ8CAc?si=oQbCyM-EbT_NXPHj&t=9201
Timestamp for the airship: czcams.com/users/live3C34mgQ8CAc?si=FXxH3LLGs_-Jgioq&t=4707
Big Mouth is trash - no talent a$$ 🤡
I don't even know who Lance is and I value his opinion on a game he clearly doesn't remember much of even a little bit.
He comes off as really passive aggressive.
Wait, did he really say that BigMouth comment straightfaced?
He could be remembering the bomber we get for the boomers…even then that’s a egregious mistake.
Fun fact. Lucy starts at Santa Monica pier in LA and finishes at Griffith Observatory in LA in the final episode. You know what's funny? It's 25km away and that is a 5 hour walk.
"Thou shalt get sidetracked by bull poop every time" :D
@@desertmammoth3159 Thou shalt see the problem with this 2 weeks story line with Lee was 5 hours away.
@@unusualaussie9606 Well I mean, it sometimes takes me like two hours to come back from dropping the kids off at school if I have to keep stopping to do things... but yeah lol it does sound a bit dumb, oh well, I guess there's worse things the show could have done. Did you know that they got the time wrong for when the bombs fell? Unforgivable I say.
Americans aren’t known for their walking abilities.
@@desertmammoth3159it could have been green in October. Probably not. But maybe. Lol
My biggest problem with the show is it's an extremely political situation being written by people who don't understand how character motivations work. No one feels like they have real wants or needs, we just have "Vault-Tec evil" and "Muldiver misunderstood" on a chalkboard somewhere.
It's blatant that they don't understand how even greed works. War profiteers don't make money off of war, they keep control and make their money off the looming THREAT of war. That it's always just around the corner, that you need this, that, or the other to "keep your family safe". If your entire market is dead, you're not going to make much money.
Have to say it’s so nice that Mauler and drinker are going at it with different views on something. Makes for a refreshing change!
I never expected such a passionate debate between Drinker, MaulEr and co on Fallout, with the latter against and the former for.
Maul got way too much free time
@@pegetadrinker has more
@@pegetaHow so?
Hes an author. Mauler is just an internet douche @yourewrongabouteverything
@@MegaSpideyman It's nothing more than a veiled ad hominem.
There's a meme going around of Rey and Finn asking "Who are you?" and Lucy and Maximus responding "We're you, only better written."
I can see the validity in this comparison and mostly agree with the conclusion.
And that's with thinking that Fallout isn't very well written.
Stay salty, Crait.
My god... the excuse that because it's based on a video game, this guy "expects it to be nonsense"... wow... just wow.
Maximus is basically the same character as Finn from the last jedi.
He's not. His character is actually either really badly written or really interesting and I wont find out until season 2. He goes from being a disinterested grunt, to a holier than thou monk, to a total dude bro in power armour, to forest gump, to a street wise no-nonsense killer, to a holier than thou monk again. I honestly hope he's actually only one of these and the other personalities he adopts are just fronts for any given situation, rather than the writers seriously couldn't just make him consistent.
@@desertmammoth3159 It makes sense if you think about it. He wants to be basically a hero of justice. But then he was brainwashed by the brotherhood. But he's always been conflicted and never fully brainwashed. They've trained him, but only really for combat and recognizing artifacts because he's expendable. So he's dumb about alot of things, but when it comes to the narrow things he's been trained on he's highly competent. And his holier than thou side is just his original wish to have power and serve justice being perverted by their brotherhood. He's a complex character with multiple different failings and strengths coming into conflict and he acts inconsistently because he literally IS inconsistent. He hasn't chosen a path yet. Most of the show was him learning about the world and himself which is giving him the knowledge to choose that path. And I think part of that is having to accept that maybe he can't be what he wants to be and he'll prolly have to settle for something more realistically achievable instead.
@@Ralathar44 key phrase being they'd actually have to think about it. They just wanna be mad about something
@@Ralathar44 I appreciate your honest response, but I think you're giving the writers too much credit. Whilst I accept there were events that could explain a switch in beliefs and world view, they were incredibly jarring. Like a committed Christian finding out there is no God and then being like OKAY F IT LET THE MURDER SPREES BEGIN :D Maybe that's a bit of a radical example but you get my gist.
I'll have to give it a second watch, maybe I somehow missed the nuances the first time around. I just remember not really understanding what he was about, and him doing stuff that contradicted who was purporting to be a few minutes earlier. Like I say I'll give it another swing.
Not more like Force Awakens?
This was my favorite Drinker's Chasers clip because it was refreshing to hear a friendly debate instead of an echo chamber
Not all echo chambers are bad
@@NoahLookman9191True, but healthy debate and disagreement will always be better.
@@Zac_Frostthe best way to combat “bad speech” is with “more speech”
@@Zac_Frostcan you imagine those clowns Organised Chaos and Pillar of Garbage on Open Bar having a disagreement with Drinker
Who would want to watch that nightmare?
@@NoahLookman9191
On the topic of Pillar of Garbage,have you seen his latest video on Fallout? It is just about everything else than the show. To me those videos reek of smug little film intellectuals who think they understand art better than anyone else.
My impression of maximus getting praised at the end is that the friend, who seemed to want out of the brotherhood, saw it as an opportunity to have an ally in a high place, hence why they told maximus "you did this" and started the cheer. He wasnt going to take credit but the friend made it happen
A remark for the person who said, why the Ghoul does not shoots Maximus through the chest when they have their encounter in Folly. Well, in the last episode he uses special rounds, and in the second episode he uses normal bullets.
He'd built an ammo workbench by the time of that latter scene :-)
You can see those special rounds in his ammo belt in episode two
Thing is, the Ghoul isn't Lucy. He's not new to the Wasteland.
I don't buy for a second he's never seen Power Armor before, and, given his profession and experience, I'd wager he may have even gone up against one or two before. Point is- I don't buy for a second that Maximus was the first time he had to fight a heavily armored opponent. I don't believe that he wouldn't have something to combat such a foe, after all grenades and mines and energy weapons exist as well. And even if I am wrong and this was his first experience, I don't believe he would then be so completely capable of fighting them off in the last episode.
Can't have your cake and eat it, too.
@@a_rat_named_mouse Cooper was laughing while fighting Maximus so was clearly having fun. He recently woke up after being in a grave for who knows how long. Why would he end his fun as soon as possible?
@@johnmathews2030
Ah, you're right, I forgot. He's stupid. That explains it.
"He's having fun." yeah, that's probably also why he never kills Lucy either, because it's just so gosh darn fun.
I don't remember everybody "freaking out" when her water broke. There was surprise, but surprise is pretty normal.
Yeah there were 2 people "freaking out" and one was a guy who thought he was about to hook up and one was the first time pregnant mother who it happened to. You can educate all day long but I'm sure it's still a surprise. Nobody was running around confused like it never happened before. I don't think it typically gushes like that but that's more a comic thing and not something that makes the whole show bad. Really grasping for criticism on this one.
Shhhh. Some folk I've never been around their girl when their water broke
@@salmonbear5433 I haven't been around a woman when her water broke and I understand the mechanics...
@@themoonishollowfryou know nothing until you see that balloon pop at 9am in the morning… Pipe down.
The grifting is real.
The vertibirds show up in 2, as does the Enclave, which was based on an oil platform in the ocean and had the/a POTUS.
One of the spinoffs, Tactics, was predicated on a BoS schism, where they sent a reformer group to the east (Chicago) on an airship. The eastern BoS were reformers who wanted to take in new blood; this matches their portrayal in 3 and 4 as a bigger organization and major regional power rather than a small cult. It also could just be a Bethesda change.
The western BoS wasn't reformed and so didn't take in new blood, which somewhat matches how they're portrayed in New Vegas, slowly dying out.
The show seems to imply that this west coast BoS is reformed and acting like the Bethesda/ east coast BoS, but they're still dying out/ losing for some reason.
What i dont understand is why the Ghoul says to Hank at the end: "Wheres my family?" His wife betrayed the whole huamanity and is probably somewhere in a vault (probably dead, since its 200 years after the bombs) and he rode away on that horse WITH his daughter when the bombs fell. What does he meant with "where is my family"?
Well there is an implication that wife and daughter may still be alive. I have a pretty good feeling the wife was in cryo since she talked about being “in one of the good vaults”. They are definitely bringing her back, regardless of their past it was still his wife at some point. It may imply something happened to his daughter whether she was taken away from him fallout 4 style or ghoulified. I don’t find it strange, pretty standard drama for shows but I think it was foreshadowing he knows they are alive (hopefully, or it is dumb)
Being less woke than Velma or Disney She-Hulk does not make it free of "The Message."
Coulda showed the booty more, saggy axx jumpsuit
Completely agree 👍🏼
I watched most of one episode and it’s hard to ignore the DEI stench.
Yeah, people said the main character wasn't a Mary Sue because even though she can do everything, she's not perfect. I don't care - she's badly written, she contradicts the fallout universe where she wouldn't be good at combat unless she was trained to be a guard and even then they die in game pretty easily) and she just seems the bestest evah at almost every skill, so she's the equivalent of a level 100 right off the bat.
And the anticapitalism makes me tired. The games were never like that. You chose to take jobs, you set up shops, if anything fo4 has *more* capitalism than in reality as soldiers have to buy supplies etc from the BoS and the food of the Institute is sold to you even if you lead the place. Heck, the minuteman general has to BUY ammo from the quartermaster?!!
Corporatism capitalism.
The antiwoke cult is getting just as annoying as the woke cult. Stop pushing your message on every TV show. There was no DEI in this show.
He didn't spy on his wife because of the dog. He was spying because the rule that said "no dogs" came up out of nowhere, so he was concerned about what other new rules would suddenly appear. Sometimes I think some people aren't really watching the show and instead just looking for something to complain about.
Yup
That's not at all how it was written to be. You give the writers too much credit. Guess you love eating slop like captian marvel too.
@@yourewrongabouteverythingbro you probably watch slop if it has a even hint of “anti woke” and call it art, don’t even 😂😂😂. There are so many contrarians in this comment section.
@@yourewrongabouteverythingthat’s literally what happens in the show. He questions his wife about who is making these rules, and talks about how he didn’t fight a war against communists to give up his freedoms
Dog wasn’t the only thing. It’s a reach to say he spied on his wife just because of a dog. Don’t be so clueless people
You can shoot someone in the face in the game multiple times and they don't die...
"this is based off a video game so it's going to be nonsense" I'm sick of the turn your brain off and enjoy the brain rot defence
58 minutes!? 🥴 this bouta be one hell of a debate
Pointless debate. Lasted 2 minutes
Honestly this was some of the pettiest squabbling I’ve ever seen. Some criticism/differing options I could understand, but after a bit it just devolved into finding every excuse to hate something about the show. I have to wonder if some of these guys, particularly Mauler, actually have a show they enjoy, and if so how would they react if someone came along nitpicking at every possible thing.
@@lawrencetalbot8346 Its funny, becasue there are events in real life that if you turned into a show exactly second for second as it really happened in real life. theyd find details that didnt' "make sense" or to complain about.
@@lawrencetalbot8346if you watched Mauler for any amount of time, you’d know he’s addressed the fact that people wonder what he actually does enjoy. He has a bunch of things he actually likes. Also it wasn’t just nitpicking. They addressed major plot holes and contrivances. If you enjoyed the show then more power to you. Don’t be salty that others didn’t like it as much as you.
@@lawrencetalbot8346it was the best b-movie grade series in a while.
It needs criticism to improve but yeah some of it was nitpicky.
While listening to another video people go off about this show, I was reminded about how producers used to be very explicit about shows not being canon to the primary setting, in order to allow the writers to have their excesses without damaging the core worldbuilding. I was very surprised to hear Bethesda had done the exact opposite.
Bethesda used to know that. It's partly why after acquiring Fallout they made their games on the east coast... to create that distance from the original games.
But then people kept saying the west coast has better games and Todd decided that he hasn't looked for a family member in a while, luckily he now has 2 dads and a kid, that's got to mean at some point we can do other things than look for family members right?
If you have followed Bethesda in general and leftist cult leader Todd Howard specifically in the last decade, it shouldn't be surprising at all.
Probably so it would have more of an effect of bringing people into playing the games, which looking at player counts it has. If it was total seperate from the games it would obviously still have an effect, but likewise if people feel like its directly connected to them their going to be more invested in either hating the show or not. Either way people get more of a reason to replay the games.
All of the games have surged up in player count right after the show, they even put most of them on sale after the show dropped and it clearly worked.
It's hard enough trying to BS a way to make the Bethesda games canon to themselves this show completely wrecks that idea.
I feel like I live in a Bizarro world. So many people I know really like it. And I couldn't get past the first episode.
Usually Mauler is on top of things. Its weird to see him misquote and not catch certain events in the show especially when he watched it twice.
Vault 33 isn’t “genetically perfect” that’s not even said in the show so I don’t know how they laughed at that part, they are docile and genetically compatible with the leaders.
The shootouts they overtly show the ghoul doesn’t have tungsten rounds loaded when max shows up. They mention it again later and then they show him loading tungsten rounds for the 2nd shoot out.
You can like or dislike anything but shit don’t complain about something incorrectly when it’s spoon fed to you. I feel like this is the exact thing they would complain about people missing in an efap.
Why would he waste so much ammo then if he knew he had the wrong kind loaded?
@@lordfarquaad8601 they show he only has one tungsten round when he fights max, he doesn’t have much time to unload and reload his rifle at the start of his fight as he chooses to reload his 12mm pistol. The next chance he has is when he is up on the bridge, but at that point he doesn’t have a vantage to hit the welding weakness. After he is off the bridge he beats max within like 20 seconds.
So he could have chosen to unload and reload his rifle instead of his pistol but worst case scenario he now has two unloaded weapons if he can’t load it fast enough.
He looses his pistol before getting on the bridge and now only has one weapon… he could load it then but he has only one round and no way to hit the weak point if he does.
By the time he is back on the ground there is no time to reload plus he is busy making max look like a chump at that point.
@@adamschadt9513 two hundred years of living in a nuclear apocalypse, constantly surrounded by danger, has not taught him how to conserve precious resources but also not to reload while on the move. Alright then.
"I'll try emptying my small arm weapons on a deathclaw before using the big guns to neutralise the threat"
@@jafareyes6244 Right? And what sort of bounty hunter would only have one weapon? The obvious thing to do is to keep another pistol always loaded with your special rounds
@@lordfarquaad8601 Because he had been buried underground for who knows how long and was laughing when fighting Maximus so was obviously having fun. Considering he's the kind of person that will, "...do this shit for the love of the game." it's not a stretch to assume he didn't instantly kill Max because that wouldn't be fun for him. Plus, we wouldn't get to hear him say, "'Cause you drive that thing like a fucking shopping cart."
Cooper has two weapons. A small, four-chambered gun/pistol and a short Winchester-like rifle. He drops the pistol when Max punches him and it's the pistol he loads when fighting the Knights at the observatory. It's possible the special rounds only work with the pistol.
I thought they did the brotherhood a disservice
A "disservice" would be having them fly the united states flag (oh right, they did that too). What they did was an absolute destruction of the faction (at least NCR got to go with them).
the NCR got worse lmaooo
Yeah I agree NCR got reduced to raiders and a small compound
They are not the brotherhood. They fly american flags and operate like a military. They are functionally the Enclave.
Eh, I'll have to watch the whole season, but from what I've seen, it's a pretty fun ride. I never took the games too seriously, so I thought the humor was fine. We'll see how the remaining episodes go.
I have to ask, if in a bunch of scenes some of the background characters were trying to walk into a wall, would you argue it is being just like the games?
Unironically yes. See Cyberpunk Edgerunners and the goofy driving scene.
Then glitch to the other side of the room.
No they would have fallen through the floor
That would be funny and If you'd nerd rage (get it) about it that would just make me laugh more
The thing that bothers me is that you literally have doctors bags in new vegas (and maybe 4 if I remember correctly although I barely remember anything about 4). To even craft the doctor's bag you need a forceps, a medical brace, a scalpel, and surgical tubing. It's not just soying over the stimpaks ffs like this stupid show
Token black guy brought a fake head back to his overlords and was somehow promoted because trans person vouched for them
The show of all time 💅
I'm glad to finally see people admitting the show wasn't this amazing thrill ride that did perfect justice to the lore. I'm a long time fan of FO, since watching over my Uncle's shoulder as he played Fallout Tactics way back when. I was veeeery disappointed with the series. It had some great moments, and I certainly see potential there. Also, I'm a pretty big fan of Walton Goggins, the guys performance is gold in pretty much every role he plays.
But there were sooooo many hard problems with the series. In particular, the way they absolutely shit on the BoS was unacceptable. Our first introduction to a Knight and he's a cowardly tool who gets his shit pushed in by a Yao guai? Squires are just expendable pack mules who carry around ridiculously huge bags full of pretty much nothing? Brotherhood Elders are incredibly quick to just execute their own members for pretty much anything to the point where their own members are terrified to be called in for a meeting? An entire squad of Knights, Paladins and squires stands there in a hallway while they let a GHOUL monologue about how he's going to kill them and suddenly forget their power armor have lights built in and just stand there and die? Come the fuck on.
And dont think we didn't notice the filthy commie is somehow portrayed as the good guy at the end of the day. The story was kind of garbage, a lot of the characters were dumb(looking at YOU Maximus). Outside of Lucy and Coop I really didn't like anyone.
was agreeing until u just had to mention politics lol, commie was a label given to them, what makes them an actual commie? if saying vault tech is evil is commie behavior then i dont think ur arguing the point that u think u are
“You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain”
"War. War never changes.
The end of the world occurred pretty much as we had predicted. Too many humans, not enough space or resources to go around. The details are trivial and pointless, the reasons, as always, purely human ones."
NOW LETS OBSESS OVER THE SPECIFICS OF HOW AND WHY TO SET UP THE VILLAIN. :V
Agree. They took the equivalent of a title crawl of SW ep4 and decided to throw it away, because surely they can tell a better story.
I'm saying this as a long time fan of the Interplay/Black Isle/Obsidian fallouts, and who isn't really a big fan of the Bethesda games, it was a lot better than I was expecting. The thing is, even though I would be ripping this apart for lore inconsistencies if it were a genuine Fallout game, the requirements of good TV are much different from a good fallout game, and at its core, I simply cannot bring myself to dislike this show. It's got the core thematic substance of the games even if it screws up some technical aspects.
It has the difficult task of riding the line between people who have no exposure to the games, like my girlfriend, and assholes like me who will continuously point out that there are no chickens in fallout, that the brotherhood of steel aren't just a bunch of dumb space marine imitators, that the NCR isn't just Shady Sands, ect. In this, it does a masterful job. It has enough to keep traditionalist fans engaged and doesn't destroy or pervert the core message to make some kind of arrogant subversion. It's generally respectful of its source material and doesn't overplay its hand. There's a little DNA from every Fallout game in it, while being able to tell its own story. Little details like the 10mm pistols being directly based on their Fallout 1/2 designs or the Pipboy 2000 making an appearance make me happy and give me faith that they actually took the time to go through the lore and decide what they could include and what they had to simplify or change to make the plot more engaging. And I'm okay with that.
Of course, there's no guarantee that they won't shit the bed with the second season. And evaluated as a show, some of the dialog is clunky, some of the themes are a bit hamfisted, and a lot of the twists feel like they wrote the twist first and worked backwards from there. But I can't hate it. Because at its core, it is a story about the contrast between the new world and the old, of factions fighting over the best vision for humanity's future, of well-meaning and likable characters having their humanity stripped away bit by bit by the raw brutality of the wasteland, and some very funny dark humor. And really, that's the most important thing for any Fallout related media to have.
Also, the Vaults were basically right underneath the Cathedral, meaning the Master would absolutely have occupied them during the events of Fallout 1.
The vaults are on the opposite end of the city from the cathedral and the master didn’t have special knowledge of vault locations, literally takes him years to find vault 13 even with the water trade to the vault
@@informalgeek1196 The key thing is that he did find several Vaults. And would have found that one. Especially with how out in the open it was.
@@informalgeek1196It literally takes him WEEKS not years. If you give the Vaults location away it reduced the timer to roughly 12 weeks or so.
Dont treat the patch as canon. The 13 years was to remove the timer function to stop people whining. Not for narrative reasons.
The master was gearing up to tear california apart as a beginning to his Unity plan. It cant be retroactively downplayed over a gameplay patch.
I just wish Bethesda would stop calling everything they have their hands on “canon” when they clearly can’t double check their own lore. This isn’t Elder Scrolls, there’s no dragon breaks.
Man, I cannot unhear Reaper's accent, it sounds so much like Cuno from Disco Elysium.
Fuckin' Cuno!
I really havn't played fallout 5 through 75 yet. Does anyone know where I can find them?
To explain it easily, they just pulled a "the force awakens" on fallout and youre cheering because theres stormtroopers and X-wings.
Hard objection. Force Awakens was a bad, derivative story. Fallout is a good story. I didnt play the games, but i liked the show.
@@firestarter000001 this story IS derivative, Jesus, atleast inform yourself before trying to argue.
@@sicor94 OF what? Is derivative of what?
@@firestarter000001 Fallout 1, 3 and 4.
@@sicor94 Jesus are you insane? its an adaption of the games, so it should be in broad sense. But for the story alone, i very much doubt there was a a story in those games where a vault dweller with a ghoul and an aspiring knight were trying to obtain a head for their own reasons (save a dad, find family, become knight) and all the little adventures in between and that turned out to be the unlocking of cold fusion.
Gary's such an expert gamer that he doesn't even know how to walk through a door.
It's a speedrunning strategy. Gary knows what's up.
@@afelias its called the x button. Thats how you open a door in the witcher. Of course Gary's a boomer he doesn't know how to use it.
Why is Moldover around after 200 years? She obviously wasn't part of the NCR in the early days, but was around when Shady Sands was destroyed. Is she leading the NCR remnants, or raiders? Why is she worshipped by former Shady Sands people? Just a cult?
More importantly, what's her goal with the pill fusion core thing, to power LA? This doesn't seem like it would have changed the nature of the wasteland, where some power sources could already have been scavenged. This feels VERY Todd Howard. What's the point of Fallout 3? A big water filter you say? Yay, wow, revolutionary. I didn't even drink the water it made in the game.
It was pretty obvious that the fusion core tech was what Moldover was after, right? This MacGuffin could have been the ability to reproduce the tech behind them, or even a more advanced Enclave version; instead of this providing the means to change the wasteland, she turns on a silly one-off power plant straight out of Chain Reaction. How is this different than an existing fusion core? Unlimited vs. limited somehow? It's as if there was no attempt to make me care at all. Why is this goal important, why did any of this happen? Is this power plant powering the entire country, or the world? Silly.
It should have been that she needed to get one of these fusion core components unlocked in order to get the data to make new ones. Making NEW fusion cores, reproducing the almost magical technology of the vaults on the surface (like the G.E.C.K. but for the love of god come up with something new) rather than just scavenging, would have actually been important and better aligned with a resurgence of the NCR or other civilization, and would have been an understandable goal.
Separately, I'm a little pissed they retconned some aspect of House, undermining his motivations given he's the head of RobCo and is in on the Vaults and knows about the war ahead of time.
That’s right, it doesn’t have to be like real life. It reminds me of a player choosing different roles on different play throughs.
2 seasons, then it goes Mandalorian, and everyone enjoys their buyer's remorse.
probably facts. with the drout of public opinion with todays media amazon are probably going to jump on this for its lukewarm perception. and milk it into the dirt
Mandalorian went Mandalorian on season 1. This is 10 times dumber than Mandalorian. People are just settling for mediocre stuff. I accept that people think its fun, i just cant turn my brain off this much to stop noticing dumb things.
You're probably right.
the comparison is more apt than you think. Because Mando was terrible from the start, and so is this show. :^]
Except I don’t regret watching the first two seasons of Mandalorian. Just like I don’t regret watching season 1 of Westworld before it went to shit. I’m enjoying Fallout for the moment. If I stop enjoying it, I’ll stop watching it. People are way too uptight about this stuff.
I respect Drinker's opinion, and I know a lot of other viewers were positive on this, but it really does seem like Fallout is getting away with stuff that totally gets called out on lesser shows.
Any examples? Not picking a fight, genuinely curious.
@@gringles Er for me it was the BOS acting like a bunch of incompetent dude bros, when the games consistently show them as a professional military outfit with quasi religious overhangs. The NCR being taken out despite it having a population of 700,000 and several cities - its sudden collapse would be like the collapse of the Roman Empire, it wouldn't just vanish. Oh and Vault-Tec replacing China as the guys who launched the bomb, that was weird and made no sense. I liked the show, thought it was fun, and can't wait for season 2, but I am still left with some ehhhhhhh feelings about some of their choices.
@@gringles everone dies of nucular bombs but pronouns survive 😂
@@desertmammoth3159 See, I concede everything you say is true, but it didn't affect my enjoyment of the show. I'm ok with the Brotherhood having devolved somewhat. Its been 20 years since the events of New Vegas. Nothing stays the same, everything changes. Similarly NCR is way weaker than it was in New Vegas because the Brotherhood basically destroyed them economically and socially (due to the economic issues) so even though the Brotherhood lost the fight, they won the war really. The bottlecap being currency is a result of the NCR's economic plummet.
@@desertmammoth3159did you even watch it? The BoS thing is explained. That chapter has lost it's way and has become weak as described by the elder who wants to take it over. The NCR doesn't fall overnight. There's literally nothing to say it does, they're still operating at the end of the show. Not to mention there's Caesars legion to contend with, they could be losing that fight after the battle of hoover dam. Remember they control like at least 3 states. And I don't think vault tech dropped the first bomb either and there's nothing to really indicate that. Yeah in that meeting they say they will to the people they're financially beholden to. But do you really think the same woman who said that would drop the bombs while her daughter was out at a birthday party?
MauLer went full Plinkett ("you might not have noticed it, but your brain did")