Non-consensual sex is closer to wrath as it’s an act of violence and generates less lust as only one party is actively sinning while the other is merely a victim.
Nahhhh, this is a misunderstanding of wrath and violence as concepts. Non-consensual sex is a prideful form of lust, a belief that your will is higher than the will of the person you're violating. It has nothing to do with wrath. Wrath doesn't mean violence. Wrath is anger or hatred. Someone sitting in their room, thinking about their hatred for social injustice, would technically be committing the "sin" of wrath. People don't commit SA against someone else because of anger or hatred, they might use it to justify their actions, but it's lust and pride pushing them to those actions. I'm an incredibly wrathful person, I have a seething hatred of lots of shit. But my wrath would never lead me to SA someone.
@@somerandommenomg this makes so much sense- it also connects to the characters in Hazbin (Valentino- a former human sent to the pride-ring is the greatest example of that…) Edit: people aren’t understanding what I’m saying, I know sinners are stuck in the pride ring, I’m using Valentino as an example since he’s a direct example of pride being a battery to violent lust rather than pride because the previous comment made sense to me. Pride- in hazbin- extenuates other forms of sins in negative ways. Prideful lust leads to characters like Valentino, prideful wrath leads to Vaggie or Husk who end up lonely (though Vaggie has Charlie to balance her. I’m aware of the Hazbin lore, I promise 😭)
Especially with the fact that Valentino literally breathes and *drools* roofie drugs. Even more so if he ever learns about when Valentino met Charlie and, uh... licked her arm 🤢
Valentino is out here selling lust/ love potions outright selling roofies ( thiers posters for in the background of hazbin hotel) trust me hates Valentino .
I mean it kinda makes sense. In this show, it seems to consistently depict hell born creatures as much more morally correct than the sinners who, for the most part, got sent to hell for a reason.
@@Hoppypoppy21 True. Not only this, but technically, hellborn demons are just "normal people" on the standard of hell society. People trying to live their life and all. (Sure, some of their standard may be different than ours because it is still hell...) Sinners are immortal beings who have already died once (at least, since they can technically die and respawn in hell, unless they are killed by angelic weapons) and thus have no reason to fear consequences for their actions anymore. I mean, they are already in hell, what else can you expect from then on ? Plus, you may have those like Angel Dust who are separated from loved ones (if his sister is not cut from the script. We have no idea if she is still alive, maybe... or if she actually just went to heaven and Angel is just stuck in a situation where as far as he knows... he will never see his sister ever again)
@@user-cy1iq8ux6f I know but what kind of relationship they had and whether or not they were close, we don't know. Molly is Angel's twin. In stories, it is either passionnated hatred or near symbiotic love between them. So, chance are high Angel was very close with her.
It sorta makes sense from a "business" perspective as far as he's concerned. If he encourages rape, then more people live in fear of it, and it's lust from one side, not the other. Consent, on the other hand, is much more acceptable to everyone involved, and it ensures that it's two parties in lust instead of just one.
In Sodom, it was framed as trying to drag unconsenting strangers into the street for a gang. Depending on your translation, the crowd were the ones who suggested Lot’s underage daughters as victims, too.
Lust is always toxic. The issue is that people confuse lust with sexual desire. Desire is healthy, but letting it control your life or reducing others into objects to sate it is not.
@TheAngryXenite Not always, though, as long as lust between 2 individuals is consensual then all is well Same with 2 strangers who meet at like...idk a nightclub or bar or something, consent is always important It's when it becomes UN-Consensual that it gets dangerous Same with "lustful thoughts" keep em to yourself & all is fine & dandy(well away many act upon said thoughts, but they don't exactly represent most people now do they)
@@TheAngryXenite Google define lust: noun very strong sexual desire verb have a very strong sexual desire for someone. So are we just gonna pretend both aren't the same thing? Lust is not black and white. Simply doing sexual activity for pleasure is considered lust as stated in Genesis. There's no strict morality of it. So lust can exist in the good, the bad, and the ugly. Ozzie benefits on any form of lust, but he believes lust is maximized with consent as there is practically no boundaries to the form of lust if consent is given.
Every single time Asmodeus appears, I find more reasons to respect and protect him. All about consent, encouraging his sin in a non lethal way, has a very healthy relationship, does not give two flying f's about what anyone SAYS about his relationship with Fizz. Gosh if I had to choose which ring to live in, the Lust Ring is my first choice. Asmodeus is just a great guy and a cool ruler.
Definitely agree, but I will say that Queen Bee seemed really chill and empathetic, so I think living in the Gluttony Ring wouldn't be a bad deal either.
He's also very ethical with manufacturing sex toys for the other rings: use of protection with testing unsafe prototypes, he actively checks in on his workers to ensure good quality, and he has a strict "fuck around and find out" policy. Mad respect for our giant co- I refuse to finish that.
Wouldn't be surprised if Ozzy HATES Valentino for that sorta thing, especially if he does it on the regular (and can only pray that the Exorcists get him one of these days)
@@redrasegarden Yep, if u watch the addict music video it's heavily implied Angel was assault in the limousine after the show. It was also applied at the end with he lyrics "feeling helpless" accompanying it Which gives the impression this is an ongoing problem he can't solve himself It's also applied in an official animatic, which the song used was actually named "Valentino" In that video he was forced down and, if I'm remembering it right, tied down with lots of struggling to add to the scene Whether he sexually assaults ALL of the sex workers actually working under him is kinda unknown since we only really ever saw him interacting with Angel. Besides the two side characters in the music video(which, they could have just been random npc's for all we know) there isn't much to go off of on anyone else But it wouldn't surprise me if he treated all the workers in the same way seeing how he only thinks of them as property But yeah Just gotta wait till the show comes out for more information on that front
I also like Ozzis line "Let me rephrase: I don't like....". He actually uses a healthy communication technique here. For example when you are arguing with someone: instead of saying "You always forget to do the dishes" the more healthy thing to say is "I am upset that the dishes aren't done because I had a long day and like a clean space when I get home. I would really like for you to do them before I get home". It doesn't immediately pass blame to the opponent and clearly communicates your desires and reasoning for said desire. So instead of staying with "You shouldn't do this", Ozzy clearly states his feelings and desires towards the matter. They are without doubt the healthiest couple in hell.
It makes sense. Healthy communication skills always make for a much more fun time in the bedroom, and I don't doubt Ozzie knows this. I can see how that would translate to relationships in general, with him having a healthy communication style outside of the bedroom too. Vivzie really nailed the representation of Asmodeus for this show.
I think this is kinda genius as when you hear Lust as a sin it's normally described as giving into your deepest and darkest sexual desires no matter what, even by doing some deplorable things. But Ozzie shows the healthy side of giving into those desires by actually finding a person who is ok with the stuff you want to do
Not gonna lie, when I saw how Ozzie was describing the good and bad things of the sin of Lust, it kinda reminds me of that scene in Fullmetal Alchemists Brotherhood, when Greed was taking about the positive and negative viewpoints of the sin of Greed.
@@notAshildr Exactly, I think it's this type of representation of Sin that makes the show great. It shows the healthy side of one sin while the dangerous side to another. Except Greed but like how can constantly wanting more of what you have be healthy? I guess it's good for setting goals but Pride can already help with that in a much healthier way
I mean, it makes sense. You have an orgy of ten people, that's ten people indulging in lust, drowning in the pleasures of the flesh. You have five people who force five people against their will, you have five people mixing lust with domination and power, and five people in pain and abject misery. It's common sense: ten souls of pure lust, or five souls of tainted lust. My boy Ozzy knows consent is a win win for everyone involved.
If it is for a sxxual desire, it's Lust, Ozzie is supporting GOOD Lust, negative lust is a thing and I hate fans like you are ignoring that fact. Manipulation falls under the evil side of Lust.
@@artistanthony1007 Manipulation is pride. It pleases the ego of the one engaging in it when they control others. The tyrant who enslaves his country, the rapist who takes what he desires, it's all ego. Ego is pride. Hence tainted lust, it's lust mixed with ego to hurt others for your own self desires.
Not to mention actually would damper the lust felt by the victims for a lengthy amount of time. So it's about 10 minutes of one party lusting while it's years of the victim trying to recover and possibly never experiencing it again. SA hurts the sin of lust more than anything else.
@@choryllis6646wait But doesn't that mean that Blitz SAd Stolas lowkey? 🤔 Because in the backstory we see Stolas was drunk at that "Not-divorced yet" party, And Blitz was pretty much sober because he was planning to steal the Grimuare. Because if Blitz didn't want to He wouldn't because he was Sober But Stolas pretty much was not that sober, or maybe sober enough to well, consent? But idk It's messed up when you think about it-
This reminds me of a post I saw that I really liked (I think it was on tumblr but it could have been insta). but basically it said that "SA isn't about sex, it's about violence. You wouldn't hit someone with a shovel and call it gardening" so I think this is an appropriate outlook for Ozzie to have
Thank you, I've been seeing people saying that Ozzy SHOULD be pro-SA/r*pe, and I couldn't find the words to describe what you're saying. Not to mention, I think it's a bit too far considering the comedic tone of the show
It makes sense, non-consensual sex is traumatizing and makes people less willing to have more sex. Consensual on the other hand, leads to a pleasant experience and thus, a desire to do more.
Whilst I do agree for the most part, and sex aversion is definitely a symptom of SA, another symptom you could get is hypersexuality, where a person may experience excessive sexual arousal. Of course, this is usually unwanted behaviour and can cause other things like anxiety when experiencing hypersexuality. I don't know much about HB (haven't watched it yet) but I think Ozzie's support for consent has moreso to do that SA itself comes from a place of power, not lust.
Ozzie and Valentino would definitely not get along… Valentino is the overlord of lust while Ozzie is the ruler of the lust ring, but if you think of it they are such opposites. Val is forceful, and Ozzie believes in consent.
This make me wonder. What would happen if Angel Dust worked for Ozzie instead of Valentino. Ozzie would have treated Angel Dust good, and wouldn't want him to force him on anything. The only thing Ozzie what have said to him would be "just don't do anything stupid while at work and let the show go wonderfully for everyone" That is my opinion, what do you all think?
Val got here by being a sinner, while Ozzie is a hellborn. It makes sense that Ozzie would be a lot less harmful to innocent people. He didn’t get here by hurting anybody.
Its kinda interesting to think that Asmodeus and Beelzebub both seem to have a certain maturity about their respective sins, ozzie wholeheartedly believes in consent and the enjoyment of both parties, Bee showers those around her to indulge but not at the price of self destruction, she wants everyone to be having fun and not just drowning their sorrows. Then you have someone like Mammon, greed is a never ending quest, there's no achievement and he will happily compromise whatever boundaries to achieve profit, he will never reach a point of balance like them because their is no line, even if he had everything it'd never be enough.
@@Hoppypoppy21 Yeah, Bee is that partygirl who will hype you up while you get absolutely wrecked off your tits, but she's also the partygirl who'll hold your hair back while you're throwing up, who'll take the phone out of your hand when you go to text your ex, who'll (as she did with Blitz) actually *notice* when you're getting hammered, not to have a good time, but to try and avoid thinking about the bad time you've been having. Bee is pretty much the ideal friend to have at a party.
Both draw the line at what is effectively the same net negative for their sins. People destroying themselves like that will ruin her honey as it kills the buzz. Force being used does much the same. Not only is the lust of one person not present but the other is focusing on completely different sins by enjoying the breaking and domination of another person. If there was a demon of suffering they would be all over that. These two however find it taints their sins. The pimp in pride Valentino of course has his eyes on power over others. He isn't about lust itself but rather control.
I gained IMMENSE respect for Asmodeus when he talked to Stolas about it. I originally hated the dude for shit talking Millie/Moxxie for their relationship, which was hypocritical as hell cause he and Fizz CLEARLY had something going on.
I mean, Mox also sat there and sang a sappy love song in a restaurant dedicated to lust and Millie hurt Fizz. So, messing up the vibe at his business and hurting his lover. Plus, man had to keep up appearances.
@@kesia872yeah in Ozzie’s and fizz’s defense that wasn’t the time or place for love song house of ozmodies literally says “Ozzie’s isn’t the place for sentimental sounds”
What moxxie did was equivalent to wearing a clown outfit during a funeral. Doing the wrong thing in the wrong place and time. Ozzie was just defending his business. Heck Ozzie even offered advice to Mox at the beginning and gave him an opportunity to redo his song. I honestly think Ozzie was mostly in the right in that episode.
i think he more shit talking stolas and blitz. Mox sang a 'sentimental sounds' in a place not meant for that. Meanwhile, he criticized stolas for being in a "relationship" with an imp [blitz] while he was also in a secret one with fizz
@@noahjohnson935 Those are all great things, but I don't see how they relate to Lust at all, we gotta remember that the sins are toxic exagerations of something, and Lust as a whole is the passion and desire you mentioned but in a level that harms you and others
@@ayze491 while I get your point, as a writer there is a point in having contrast with characters sometimes. Asmodeus in Helluva Boss and Valentino in Hazbin Hotel are characters with similar roles as managers in the Adult Entertainment industry and represent 2 parts of that whole industry and the lifestyles that spawn from it. One is more toxic (Valentino) while the other is more well adjusted (Asmodeus). Ozzy may not meet your definition of Lust in the IRL sense but his character is more interesting and nuanced.
@@noahjohnson935 That's very well said, he really fits the vibe of the show. Although I think the seven deadly are not really taken seriously, feels like there is a lot of missed oportunities and is a little disapointing to see how asmodeus and mammon are in the end. Even though they are suposed to be second only to lucifer in power. In the end it feels like it's just rewriting the same idea trying to make them better, like how Ozzie and fizz are reworked stolas and blitz, and how Valentino just seems like a more serious and flashed out version of the suposed "Asmodeus". But you are right, he does fit helluva boss really well
A part of me wonders if the reason he values consent so much is from a "r*pe isn't about sex, it's about power" pov. That'd be more pride than anything.
That and the "it's all about that Journey" thing. Lust exists for far more than just the act of sex itself. The Flirting,the foreplay,the sex for one time where both enjoy it and then several more if all goes well. Definitely way better for him than Sex where 1 of the 2 parties is knocked out
I love how Ozzie is a GREAT communicator. Like a good chunk of characters struggle due to their lack of it, but Ozzie is really upfront with his shit?? Which kinda furthers his stance on consent and healthy sex- he's just a positive icon for lust, it's a treat.
With these two clips lined up together. I think the fact that Asmodeus dosen't like Robofizzies are less about him being possessive or monogamous and more about the fact that Robots (or Fizirolli) cant consent to any sexual acts they are commanded to do. It seems like Bee and Asmodeus are empaths with their sin. So of course in the same way that Bee can feel when people are hurting themselves by overindulging and tries to discourage that. Ozzie can feel people's lust and the lust people has for Fizzy dosen't feel good to him.
The lord of Gluttony discouraging overindugence is the most oxymoronic idea ever conceived. Gluttony is literally *_all_* about overindulgence. Temperance and moderation are the virtues gluttony is diametrically opposed to, they're literal opposites.
@@BestWayKilla I mean, in the instance where Beelzebub did it, it is also because Blitz' bad mood was affecting : 1. Her own mood because she can taste it (which, I guess it isn't a pleasant taste), and 2. because of the fact she needs the people at her party to have a genuine good time to create good quality Beelze juice, rather than what Blitz was doing which was to try to run away from thinking about his problems in a unhealthy way. (so it would affect her business) (Though, Bee may have also have had some genuine concern for Blitz, hard to tell if she was genuine or not)
@@orianefaton1885 I think this may be an overall meta thing being done by the show. Where TRUE embrace of the "deadly sins" actually entails a lot of positive habits to make the most of those sins.
@@artistanthony1007 pretty sure this ozzy here would probably ban that Mal practice in his ring, not sure about the actual demon but... this ozzy seems like he'd hate grape.
@@Tonsils-micman I think the actual Asmodeus from the demonology lore cares about consent too, because there was a story in the book of Tobit about a woman named Sarah, and Asmodeus unalived seven of her husbands because they married her for her body and not for her, then when a man named Tobias marries her for love Asmodeus spares him. (That's just my interpretation, I only read the Wikipedia summary)
I like how when Fizzarolli tries to excuse the creepy fan situation, Ozzie phrases it in a way that will help Fizz actually listen. He doesn’t seem to mind making excuses for the trouble it causes himself, but he will care how it makes Ozzie feel, especially since those feelings come from a place of love and care.
I know, and I love it. I've heard that some people think the way Ozzie says "I" is worrying, and that he's thinking about himself. But it's not like that at all. "If not for yourself then do it for me". I really love them
It kind of makes sense since the Sins in this universe seem to operate on a Blue-and-Orange Morality that seems centered on how to "properly" and "effectively" commit to their sin. So someone like Asmodeus is fine with cheating (as that is usually all about lust), but despise r*pe (because it's about dominance rather than lust). It also, in a weird way, explains him being in a committed relationship with Fizz. Love and Lust are different, but not antithetical. They can even affect one another. You may, for example, feel more lust for someone you love than an objectively more attractive stranger. So Asmodeus isn't even acting against his own nature; his relationship with Fizz is simply an incredibly focused version of Lust.
In a way it would make sense that people ask him, especially if they don't know his stance on consent. But it's lovely how he immediatly shuts it down when he thinks it's going in that direction
I love how even though this show takes place in hell and some of characters are literal embodiments of sin the characters themselves are (in most cases) good people with respectable opinions and values, the fact the creators took something usually depicted as evil in media and made like-able/relatable characters out of it is just awesome.
I think there may be the fact that in itself the different sins are technically not "bad" in themself. It is that they may lead you to do greater sins. This is the meaning behind "deadly sins". It is more like the original desires that can lead to other things. Wrath may lead to murder, Lust to adultery, Gluttony can lead to overdose, Pride to manipulation, Greed may lead to stealing, Envy to bullying, Sloth can lead to neglecting the spirituality (people think Sloth is laziness, but it is just about spiritual laziness, so not praying to god or stuff like this, I guess) This is why in older text, some monk saw Depression as a sin (because faith is supposed to lead you to happiness, and maybe because depression can lead to su*cide, which is forbidden too)
I think it’s because while the concept of the sins themselves are mainly bad, you don’t have to be a completely horrible person to commit them, and some of the sins aren’t exactly “evil”. Like with Lust, you can basically boil committing the sin down to just having the desire to have sex, which you can argue isn’t actually a sin at all if it’s consensual. Take that mentality with Ozzie, and he genuinely just likes the pleasure that comes with Lust, and doesn’t want to harm anyone. Now obviously there are sins that are rooted in doing evil, like Greed or Wrath. I think that’s why Mammon is an asshole, he’s the embodiment of an actually evil sin.
While Lust is understandably viewed as a corruption of love, i like how Ozzie represents the fact that lust is not inherently about being domineering and non-consensual. In fact, it actually makes sense why he would think that way, since two people lusting over each other is significantly better and a longer lasting effect than one person forcing their lust on another person against their will
@@theheartseer he probably does, but this is Asmodeus we're talking about and not Satan. "Have a plan to kill everyone you meet" wouldn't have worked.
With of course the exception of Mammon being an absolute A-hole, i really enjoy how the Deadly Sins seems to have a more positive view of their sins, Asmodeus with his view on consent and how Lust is a thing that require both parties agreement and Beelzebub enjoying the excess of Gluttony but not as a way to escape your problems
A tricky one to do, may be Leviathan, as I can't really see a "good" depictation of Envy. In itself, Wrath can serve as motivation, though I am not sure if Satan will be like this. (but the healthy way to use one's wrath/anger is to direct it in healthy outlet and to try to change what is angering you, if it can be changed, that is.) Though it is also one that is easy to villify too... Though, I doubt that Satan will be however wrath is depicted as usually (a hot headed person that usually barely has any forth thought) Sloth is a sin that tend to be hard to turn into pure evil sin. At best, it would be about being irresponsible, though I wonder if in this version of hell, Sloth may be fused with Depression (who used to be seen as a sin), which would explain why Belphegor created (?) the happy pills. It was originally for her (I think remebering Beelzebub to have refered to Belphegor as female) For more explaination about the Depression part... From how I understand it, the belief was that God was Joy and thus a good believer would not be sad/depressed, which would be about being distant from God. (and Sloth is also about being distant from God, but instead by showing "spiritual laziness" rather than the laziness that we recognize, plus depressed people sometime do go through the loss of motivation, which make them appear as lazy, so those two sins have a link)
I think it comes down to the fact that Vivzies interpretation of all of this is to make realistic characters born of certain vices. a character born of gluttony cannot encourage overconsumption at personal expense because that would lead to death and the inevitable lowering of their consumption and the pleasure they derive from it. lust cannot encourage SA because that creates victims who cannot enjoy lust. but greed? greed is a sin that is all about delusion, a being born of greed can't mediate itself without destroying itself, so it just expands and expands and expands until it breaks. Mammon is the worst person because they are born of the worst sin.
Makes you wonder why would anyone would wanna go to heaven when you can commit atrocities in the mortal realm and have little to no consequences when you die, especially when the ones in charge are preety nice and often just give you a good time in every aspect.
1. the rules are vauge, heaven can't actually define what you have to do to get there. 2. sinners are confined almost exclusively to the pride ring for a reason, hell is simultaneously a living breathing world with it's own native residents *and* a place for the punishment of sinners. the other rings are entirely native, and while they have their issues, they don't actually exist to punish anyone. the pride ring acts as a punishment by forcing all of these terrible people together, basically in a "hell is other people" sense.@@cloudshifter
Well it was either that or the crew gets into controversy for making the embodiment of lust a rapist. But then people on twitter ACTUALLY got mad that he was about consent. I'm dead serious people were complaining about that...
Wait WHAT…first They Complain (by complain I mean Body Shaming) about Bee not being fat and now they complain about Ozzie for not being a fucking r@pist?
@@StarDustBunnies464I don’t understand why you’re surprised. I mean It’s twitter, someone could cure cancer, and twitter would cancel them for stopping something natural.
I also get the impression that while they may be the embodiment of sins, that doesn't stop them being their own people/individuals outside of that, like it's their job that they were born for and not their entirety. And that's why they have plenty characteristics that seem to differ sometimes from what we expect from their sin or even sin itself (not that I think that's true in this case as I agree with other commenters that consentual sex falls in line with true pure lust way more than non consentual)
Even when other characters aren't showing lust, Millie and Moxxie. Ozzie only encourages them to express their lust, he doesn't force them. He gives them chances and then tells them to leave. Hes a good man
It makes complete sense too when you think about how he's the demon prince of lust, so not only is it that consent brings about more feelings of lust from both parties, as said by others, but he's a devil. A demon. They go crazy for consent in actual demonology too, hence contracts and deals with mortals. They need the consent of the mortal before anything happens, and shun demons who try and force their will, as it's a barbaric and brutal way.
I like how despite the show being in literal motherfucking hell, it being pretty sexual already (i mean cmon Ozzie had a fuckin dick candy), and it being the literal sin of Lust speaking, the show still emphasizes that even with thr sin of lust, consent is the most important thing thats involved
@somerandomcorsair I agree and disagree with that notion. Yes, like all things, Pride and Greed in excess are detrimental both to the self and to others. But is it not human to feel Pride? To be proud of something you've accomplished? And what of Greed? The ambition to act comes from Greed. To be fair to you, though. No true satisfaction comes from Greed. Pure Greed will always see you wanting more, never being satisfied or invoking pleasure from what you already have.
@@kingcamelot1395 This is an issue with English. Pride has two meanings in English. One is an emotion. The other is a belief about one's self. The sin of pride referenced in Abrahamic religions basically just means narcissism. It doesn't mean the emotion of pride. Someone who feels proud of themselves for achieving something isn't committing the sin of pride.
@@kingcamelot1395Pride in the Bible can more accurately be described as narcissism in modern English. It's not about being proud of your accomplishments, per se, but treating yourself as above others or as perfect. Pride in the Bible isn't feeling good about yourself, but allowing it to pervert you into doing things that would be deplorable, under the logic and reason that you deserve it. It's why Pride as a sin can by proxy lead to other sins. It can lead to Wrath because you believe someone else deserved it. It can lead to Lust or Envy because you believe you deserve it. It can lead to Sloth or Gluttony because you believe you're above something. And it can easily lead to Greed from the delusion that you deserve it more than others.
It's not that he is against sex toys altogether. It's that he doesn't like creating sex toys of his partner. Creating sex toys is literally a huge chunk of his ring's business and he's fine with that.
Yeah sorry I think it’s good to acknowledge that Asmodeus has nothing against people asking his consent Because there are time he doesn’t feel like he wanna « do it » and that’s okay as well just because he’s the embodiment of lust that doesn’t that he always down
Considering how Valentino actually is affiliated love potions, this was great forshadowing. I can imagine how Asmodeus hates Val to his core, if he even knows about him.
It makes sense. Experts believe that rape is not about sex at all, but rather about the rapist exerting their power and control onto another person. Lust IS about sex so non-consentual relations would be the farthest thing from it.
@@sandyboi3213 Well, I never heard of a hell that sounds pleasant. Hell is for people who have done horrible things to others: Think Adolf Hitler, Osama bid Laman, Saddam Hussain, Charles Manson. They had done such evil things of murder, brainwashed, creating chaos and other stuff. That’s what I believe Hell is for a reason for people like that. I know people think religion is about ‘staying in line’. I mean, I want to do good sure but also if I’m in pain, I turned to God for help and he shows me the way. Although Hell seems like fun, keep in mind that everyone around you is there for a reason. It's true that there are no actual laws, but you are on your own and have no defense against the murderer down the hall, the man attempting to set you on fire, no hospital, or law enforcement.
Honestly Viz world building has one major issue. Who the hell would want to go to Heaven when Hell is not only easier but straight up gives you non stop parties of all kinds for being a horrible person. Hell genuenly sounds like a nice place to be without any punishment instead of trying to strive insanely hard to be on a slightly better place.
@@cloudshifter About the world building, yeah it's an issue. But this is her interpretation of the universe she created. This is her vision, it's just like Paradise Lost: Satan is sympathetic in his rebellion. Not trying to justify in my Christian faith, it's simply fictional. But even so, Vizie made an unexpected modernized version of Paradise Lost.
Chill, it's just a far fetched interpetation of Hell lol. I mean heck everyone is actually having a good time for being murderers and alcoholics instead of being tortured to an inch of their spiritual existence every waking moment. In comparison to real life, Hell in these two series looks like paradise.
It’s great how this version of hell shows both the good and bad sides of sins. Asmodeus understands the consent and pleasure that must be mutually assured between partners for lust to happen, but the show still at least acknowledges that those deeper darker sides still exist in the further reaches of hell. It’s kinda like how they show the good and bad parts of heaven, how it can look all innocent and pure, but how superficial it can be when it comes to certain aspects.
@@MBS-GGG Because of how the word Lust is used, it is associated with negative meanings, adultery, cheeting, R*pe. Strong sexual desire mixed with romantic feelings is considered love. So Ozzie's definition of love is raw sexual passion, without any romantic feelings. Much like an animal's mating season.
Yeah that’s why he’s a horrible representation of lust but I still like helluva boss it’s not finish but I give it a 9/10 I think the finished story might be a 7/10
@@tallic967 why would he be pro consent? Lust does merely sexual attraction a rapist commits to the sin of lust then rape he’s pro consent because the story is about characters were broken not actual demons was asmodases isn’t actually a shitty person a demon being pro consent takes the demon out of them
It's so weird for me cuz like I'm a Christian but I still enjoy watching this show and seeing the sins represented in alternative lights. Obviously I don't condone sinning but I also think these characters are so enjoyable and I love them.
Honestly, I was kind of hoping that Mammon could get the same treatment Asmodeus and Bee got in the show. They are embodiments of sin, yet they lack the worst aspect of them. It would be pretty cool if Mammon was a savvy business man who has a lot of ambitions and doesn't discriminate against anyone, amd gives everyone a fair chance and respects the contracts with his employees. But he turned out to just be another stereotypical greedy monstruous CEO.
Well, the political leanings of the creators probably lean left so it makes sense they wouldn't have a creative way of representing the sin of greed. You know, Capitalism is bad and all typa shit. I mean, that much was obvious when he said "women aren't funny". He was clearly meant to be a caricature of what they think a rich man would be like.
@@noahbusch7542 all the sins should be monsters, because every sin has the concept of want as a theme. Envy: to want what you can’t have. Gluttony: the want to be filled. Greed/Avarice: the want for infinite wealth. Wrath: the want for retribution. Lust: the want for carnal fulfillment. Sloth: the want for comfort. Pride: the want for superiority The reason why they are called “Deadly” is because each one of these desires, if not disciplined or conditioned, will lead to self-destruction. To have just some sins be good and the others bad is contradictory. To say that it’s deep and methodical to have Lust be for consent but to have Greed be the most shallow interpretation of material wealth shows favoritism. Don’t get me wrong, if you wanna have Asmodeus be a more positive character, then by all means go for it, but you need to provide justification for it. If Thor just decided one day to stop being the Thunder God, and instead wanted to be the Pottery God, the writer needs to put in the effort to convince us why the drastic change happened, not only tell us why, but convince us why the change was so necessary.
Such is the nature of greed. Greed, unlike most of the other sins involved, is an aberration. Wrath is natural and part of life, Lust and Gluttony are literally why we reproduce and eat to live, being slothful from time to time is fun, Pride in one's accomplishments is emboldening. Besides arguably Envy, most of the sins are self-contained aspects that are only expressly "Bad" when over-indulged. But Greed? Greed is a parasitic sin, a sin that is nothing on its own because it has to leech off other things to sustain itself, take from other things, all to sate an addiction to possessing wildly more than you need for no other reason than "because you want it." Greed is exploitation, manipulation, and even at best is only an addictive personality flaw being mitigated. At its Worst it's an amalgamation of the worst aspects of every other sin packaged and assembly-lined to sell soulless parodies (Like Fizz' doll) to the masses. Greed is the first sin we've seen that might actually Deserve the title. Greed is the cancer cell that rebels and steals resources from the rest of the body, killing it to perpetuate only themselves.
The more someone gets rich, the more other people get poor. Greed can't be good - unless you twist it. Maybe Mammon could have been after something better than money. But they made lust about sex, so it's better to make greed about money, for consistency's sake.
What I found interesting and a little hard to swallow (I know it comes from ignorance but still) is Asmodeus lecturing Stolas on consent, after mocking him the last time they met for giving up his “Smokin’ wife” considering absolutely nothing about his relationship with his wife was consensual.
There is the possibility that he had no idea of anything about the relationship between Stolas and his wife. I mean, Stolas is technically higher on the chain than any of the sins (presumably) and they have to keep an image. I doubt the sins have any true information about the lives of the lords. He probably just thinks Stolas is having an affair.
@@ElloFantasyStolas?? Higher on the chain?? It's literally the other way around 💀. Only ones higher than the Sins are Lucifer and his family (I agree with the rest of your comment thou)
@@ElloFantasy for future reference the hierarchy of hell goes as follows: 1.Lucifer (king of hell and sin of pride) 2. Charlie and Lilith (though Charlie may be stronger since she's half Angel) 3. The Seven deadly sins (ozzie, bee, mammon) 4. The ars goetia (stolas, stella, Octavia, paimon) 5. Overlords (powerful sinners like Alastor) 6. Sinners 7. Succubi, Incubi, and pretty much anyone not accounted for elsewhere one the list. 8. Imps and hellhounds
He's not lecturing Stolas on consent. He was making fun of Stolas for essentially throwing away his whole life (his wife, some of his status, possibly his relationship with his daughter, etc.) just to get laid. Yes, we as the audience know more context but Ozzie literally only knows the surface level info that Stolas is a goecia that's married with a kid and is cheating.
Mad respect for the HEALTHY COMMUNICATION -- Ozzie using "I-statements" to express his complaints about Mammon's treatment of Fizz, instead of "He does this" or "You do that".
Things like assault and r*pe are more about violence and force rather than lust. They’re about holding power over another rather than pleasure. Lust is more about pleasure than force so it makes sense for Asmodeus to hate love potions
I appreciate how they portray him. it would be impossible to make a character who doesn't care about consent likable in any way. I also appreciate how they portray each of the protagonists as morally gray while the antagonists are made to be clearly irredeemable.
Same way Bee doesn't like people partying too hard. Over-indulgence you choose to partake in, is gluttony. Compulsive, self-destructive over-indulgence is just neurosis.
The fact that he's the Sin lord of Lust. But it shows that he's not that kind of person, he is not into these kind of bullsh*t. He's a good man, and Fizzarolli is lucky to have him. And he's especially not like Valentino (Angel Dust's boss)
Rape is not about being lustful, it's about pride and exerting dominance over another person. Asmodeus explicitly states that he's even fine with people cheating on their partners, as with approving Stolas' relationship with Blitz when he was still married to Stella, because affairs are born from lust.
He is so cute❤ he truely cares and he is a good king of his ring❤ he loves his Fizzy and if someone comes too close to him for his liking he gets protective/jealous. Such a peacock❤
This is definitely not the place to out yourselves as SA victims, you might need to talk to someone to keep that to yourself and if you already are talk to them MORE.
These shows are actually more about showing the good in the bad. Even before Hazbin was out, this show showed how there are good in bad people, or that not everything about hell is evil just like not everything in heaven is pure and good. These are the main themes of the shows and I don't understand how people have watched even a few episodes and still expect black and white themes-
Me an my friend were talking about how misunderstood Lust is. And how r@p3 is probably more greed than anything. You're taking because you want to, and it doesn't matter if they say no.
Non-consensual sex is closer to wrath as it’s an act of violence and generates less lust as only one party is actively sinning while the other is merely a victim.
This comment should be pinned, I agree so much. Lust is NEVER an excuse to traumatize somebody this way.
Also closer to greed, if you think about it...
Nahhhh, this is a misunderstanding of wrath and violence as concepts.
Non-consensual sex is a prideful form of lust, a belief that your will is higher than the will of the person you're violating. It has nothing to do with wrath.
Wrath doesn't mean violence. Wrath is anger or hatred. Someone sitting in their room, thinking about their hatred for social injustice, would technically be committing the "sin" of wrath.
People don't commit SA against someone else because of anger or hatred, they might use it to justify their actions, but it's lust and pride pushing them to those actions.
I'm an incredibly wrathful person, I have a seething hatred of lots of shit. But my wrath would never lead me to SA someone.
@@somerandommenomg this makes so much sense- it also connects to the characters in Hazbin (Valentino- a former human sent to the pride-ring is the greatest example of that…)
Edit: people aren’t understanding what I’m saying, I know sinners are stuck in the pride ring, I’m using Valentino as an example since he’s a direct example of pride being a battery to violent lust rather than pride because the previous comment made sense to me. Pride- in hazbin- extenuates other forms of sins in negative ways. Prideful lust leads to characters like Valentino, prideful wrath leads to Vaggie or Husk who end up lonely (though Vaggie has Charlie to balance her. I’m aware of the Hazbin lore, I promise 😭)
That's still Lust, the definition says it is a sexual desire.
If Ozzie ever met Valentino, he would hate him as much as he hates Mammon.
Especially with the fact that Valentino literally breathes and *drools* roofie drugs. Even more so if he ever learns about when Valentino met Charlie and, uh... licked her arm 🤢
valentino is opposite of consent.
@@kuruju_vtube I do believe he knows about Valentino and even says he hates the guy in the earlier episodes? I may need too double check.
i want a Hazbin and Hellava cross over where Ozzie just fucking mollywhops Valentino and sends him to double hell.
Valentino is out here selling lust/ love potions outright selling roofies ( thiers posters for in the background of hazbin hotel) trust me hates Valentino .
Asmodeus is the living embodiment of "Professionals have standards," and I love it
Couldn't agree more!
_Magnum Force TF2 OST plays_
"Have a plan to fuck everyone you meet."
"Be gentle."
"Be efficent"
When the embondiment of Lust respects people's boundaries and choices more than Valentino
I mean it kinda makes sense. In this show, it seems to consistently depict hell born creatures as much more morally correct than the sinners who, for the most part, got sent to hell for a reason.
@@Hoppypoppy21 True. Not only this, but technically, hellborn demons are just "normal people" on the standard of hell society. People trying to live their life and all. (Sure, some of their standard may be different than ours because it is still hell...)
Sinners are immortal beings who have already died once (at least, since they can technically die and respawn in hell, unless they are killed by angelic weapons) and thus have no reason to fear consequences for their actions anymore. I mean, they are already in hell, what else can you expect from then on ? Plus, you may have those like Angel Dust who are separated from loved ones (if his sister is not cut from the script. We have no idea if she is still alive, maybe... or if she actually just went to heaven and Angel is just stuck in a situation where as far as he knows... he will never see his sister ever again)
@@orianefaton1885in a shot of hazbin hotel his brother was seen, but we gotta wate till next season to fing out if they actually interact
@@user-cy1iq8ux6f I know but what kind of relationship they had and whether or not they were close, we don't know.
Molly is Angel's twin. In stories, it is either passionnated hatred or near symbiotic love between them. So, chance are high Angel was very close with her.
@@orianefaton1885 Maybe it was sibling love, you would never let your sibling borrow the charger, but would give them your kidney. Who knows
Really makes sense when you consider how lust is framed as consentual non-baby-making sex in the Old Testament
Bingo
It sorta makes sense from a "business" perspective as far as he's concerned. If he encourages rape, then more people live in fear of it, and it's lust from one side, not the other. Consent, on the other hand, is much more acceptable to everyone involved, and it ensures that it's two parties in lust instead of just one.
Because it is
In Sodom, it was framed as trying to drag unconsenting strangers into the street for a gang.
Depending on your translation, the crowd were the ones who suggested Lot’s underage daughters as victims, too.
actually sodom n gomorrah was wrath
@@cassandrabelyeu2419
I just love how Asmodeus and Fizz have communication and can tell each other how they feel
When the animated Demons from a show have a healthier relationship than you
the opposite of blitz and stolas
ok off topic but splatoon pfp spotted
And I hate how side characters keep hijacking this show! Remember the pilot? Remember back when I.M.P. was the main focus of the show?!
@@IsaiahRichards692Worldbuilding
The thing is-- Lust isn't always toxic. Lust can actually be in a healthy and loving relationship. Ozzie and Fizz are a great example of that.
Lust is always toxic. The issue is that people confuse lust with sexual desire. Desire is healthy, but letting it control your life or reducing others into objects to sate it is not.
@TheAngryXenite
Not always, though, as long as lust between 2 individuals is consensual then all is well
Same with 2 strangers who meet at like...idk a nightclub or bar or something, consent is always important
It's when it becomes UN-Consensual that it gets dangerous
Same with "lustful thoughts" keep em to yourself & all is fine & dandy(well away many act upon said thoughts, but they don't exactly represent most people now do they)
@@TheAngryXenite
Google define lust:
noun
very strong sexual desire
verb
have a very strong sexual desire for someone.
So are we just gonna pretend both aren't the same thing? Lust is not black and white. Simply doing sexual activity for pleasure is considered lust as stated in Genesis. There's no strict morality of it. So lust can exist in the good, the bad, and the ugly. Ozzie benefits on any form of lust, but he believes lust is maximized with consent as there is practically no boundaries to the form of lust if consent is given.
Same with Gluttony, a vice that can be shared. Whereas Greed is purely selfish, hence why Mammon is more evil.
Lust is good
Too much however is addicting
Every single time Asmodeus appears, I find more reasons to respect and protect him. All about consent, encouraging his sin in a non lethal way, has a very healthy relationship, does not give two flying f's about what anyone SAYS about his relationship with Fizz.
Gosh if I had to choose which ring to live in, the Lust Ring is my first choice. Asmodeus is just a great guy and a cool ruler.
Definitely agree, but I will say that Queen Bee seemed really chill and empathetic, so I think living in the Gluttony Ring wouldn't be a bad deal either.
@@HeraldofProphecy Exaaaactly. Until we see how the other sin rulers are, Lust and Gluttony are definitely my top choices.
He's also very ethical with manufacturing sex toys for the other rings: use of protection with testing unsafe prototypes, he actively checks in on his workers to ensure good quality, and he has a strict "fuck around and find out" policy. Mad respect for our giant co-
I refuse to finish that.
@@candlestixsmixedwithtrixs I believe Sloth as well
@@jamesgroccia644he does look like a rooster tho
Ozzy: It's all about consent.
Valentino: Angel Dust go bbbuuuuuurrr!!!
Truth!
Wouldn't be surprised if Ozzy HATES Valentino for that sorta thing, especially if he does it on the regular (and can only pray that the Exorcists get him one of these days)
Good thing Valentino and Ozzie are in different rings.
Well technically has he done anyone without concent?
@@redrasegarden
Yep, if u watch the addict music video it's heavily implied Angel was assault in the limousine after the show. It was also applied at the end with he lyrics "feeling helpless" accompanying it
Which gives the impression this is an ongoing problem he can't solve himself
It's also applied in an official animatic, which the song used was actually named "Valentino"
In that video he was forced down and, if I'm remembering it right, tied down with lots of struggling to add to the scene
Whether he sexually assaults ALL of the sex workers actually working under him is kinda unknown since we only really ever saw him interacting with Angel. Besides the two side characters in the music video(which, they could have just been random npc's for all we know) there isn't much to go off of on anyone else
But it wouldn't surprise me if he treated all the workers in the same way seeing how he only thinks of them as property
But yeah
Just gotta wait till the show comes out for more information on that front
I also like Ozzis line "Let me rephrase: I don't like....". He actually uses a healthy communication technique here. For example when you are arguing with someone: instead of saying "You always forget to do the dishes" the more healthy thing to say is "I am upset that the dishes aren't done because I had a long day and like a clean space when I get home. I would really like for you to do them before I get home". It doesn't immediately pass blame to the opponent and clearly communicates your desires and reasoning for said desire.
So instead of staying with "You shouldn't do this", Ozzy clearly states his feelings and desires towards the matter. They are without doubt the healthiest couple in hell.
Man is very good at communicating, which is just about THE most important aspect of any and every healthy relationship in existence.
Which says a lot when the embodiment of lust has a healthier relationship with someone compared to many other relationships in the world.
It makes sense. Healthy communication skills always make for a much more fun time in the bedroom, and I don't doubt Ozzie knows this. I can see how that would translate to relationships in general, with him having a healthy communication style outside of the bedroom too. Vivzie really nailed the representation of Asmodeus for this show.
And most people would think that’s a low bar, but it’s quite higher than I thought it was a year ago.
the opponent?
I think this is kinda genius as when you hear Lust as a sin it's normally described as giving into your deepest and darkest sexual desires no matter what, even by doing some deplorable things. But Ozzie shows the healthy side of giving into those desires by actually finding a person who is ok with the stuff you want to do
Well said!
Not gonna lie, when I saw how Ozzie was describing the good and bad things of the sin of Lust, it kinda reminds me of that scene in Fullmetal Alchemists Brotherhood, when Greed was taking about the positive and negative viewpoints of the sin of Greed.
And then there's Valentino. The sinners' equivalent of the Sin of Lust, twisting the concept into something sickening.
@@notAshildr Exactly, I think it's this type of representation of Sin that makes the show great. It shows the healthy side of one sin while the dangerous side to another. Except Greed but like how can constantly wanting more of what you have be healthy? I guess it's good for setting goals but Pride can already help with that in a much healthier way
@@ScintillatingSusiewell, in fma they kinda shifted the meaning of greed to "wanting something that you don't have"
I mean, it makes sense. You have an orgy of ten people, that's ten people indulging in lust, drowning in the pleasures of the flesh. You have five people who force five people against their will, you have five people mixing lust with domination and power, and five people in pain and abject misery.
It's common sense: ten souls of pure lust, or five souls of tainted lust. My boy Ozzy knows consent is a win win for everyone involved.
If it is for a sxxual desire, it's Lust, Ozzie is supporting GOOD Lust, negative lust is a thing and I hate fans like you are ignoring that fact. Manipulation falls under the evil side of Lust.
@@artistanthony1007 Manipulation is pride. It pleases the ego of the one engaging in it when they control others. The tyrant who enslaves his country, the rapist who takes what he desires, it's all ego. Ego is pride. Hence tainted lust, it's lust mixed with ego to hurt others for your own self desires.
@@artistanthony1007The comment did say negative lust. Maybe if you read a bit more, you would have noticed that
Not to mention actually would damper the lust felt by the victims for a lengthy amount of time. So it's about 10 minutes of one party lusting while it's years of the victim trying to recover and possibly never experiencing it again. SA hurts the sin of lust more than anything else.
@@choryllis6646wait
But doesn't that mean that Blitz SAd Stolas lowkey? 🤔
Because in the backstory we see Stolas was drunk at that "Not-divorced yet" party,
And Blitz was pretty much sober because he was planning to steal the Grimuare.
Because if Blitz didn't want to
He wouldn't because he was Sober
But Stolas pretty much was not that sober, or maybe sober enough to well, consent? But idk
It's messed up when you think about it-
This reminds me of a post I saw that I really liked (I think it was on tumblr but it could have been insta). but basically it said that "SA isn't about sex, it's about violence. You wouldn't hit someone with a shovel and call it gardening" so I think this is an appropriate outlook for Ozzie to have
That is a beautiful quote.
Thank you, I've been seeing people saying that Ozzy SHOULD be pro-SA/r*pe, and I couldn't find the words to describe what you're saying. Not to mention, I think it's a bit too far considering the comedic tone of the show
Sounds pretty tumblr to me
That’s a really good quote, very eloquent and there’s a lot of truth to it
@@leprekingwe already have valentino for the role of grapist, we don't need a second one
It makes sense, non-consensual sex is traumatizing and makes people less willing to have more sex. Consensual on the other hand, leads to a pleasant experience and thus, a desire to do more.
Well said!
You said it all 🎉
Hm, point well made.
Whilst I do agree for the most part, and sex aversion is definitely a symptom of SA, another symptom you could get is hypersexuality, where a person may experience excessive sexual arousal. Of course, this is usually unwanted behaviour and can cause other things like anxiety when experiencing hypersexuality.
I don't know much about HB (haven't watched it yet) but I think Ozzie's support for consent has moreso to do that SA itself comes from a place of power, not lust.
I love that Ozzie doesn’t force anything and is a real sweetie to Fizz.
Mad respect for him!
Couldn't agree more!
He even values his feelings more in the newest episode
Realistically he would have
Same Here.
Ozzie and Valentino would definitely not get along… Valentino is the overlord of lust while Ozzie is the ruler of the lust ring, but if you think of it they are such opposites. Val is forceful, and Ozzie believes in consent.
Asmodeus would literally wipe the floor with valentino if he ever gets into hands reach of him...
Val is like a lust version of Mammon. Money and dominance at any cost...
This make me wonder. What would happen if Angel Dust worked for Ozzie instead of Valentino. Ozzie would have treated Angel Dust good, and wouldn't want him to force him on anything. The only thing Ozzie what have said to him would be "just don't do anything stupid while at work and let the show go wonderfully for everyone"
That is my opinion, what do you all think?
Val got here by being a sinner, while Ozzie is a hellborn.
It makes sense that Ozzie would be a lot less harmful to innocent people.
He didn’t get here by hurting anybody.
True!
Remember guys : consent is sexy
consent is very sexy.
Better yet: Consent is mandatory.
*crosses out the "sexy" and replaces it with "FUCKING MANDATORY"*
@@hellixodevmandatory AND sexy.
@@hellixodev Consent is mandatory AND sexy
Its kinda interesting to think that Asmodeus and Beelzebub both seem to have a certain maturity about their respective sins, ozzie wholeheartedly believes in consent and the enjoyment of both parties, Bee showers those around her to indulge but not at the price of self destruction, she wants everyone to be having fun and not just drowning their sorrows.
Then you have someone like Mammon, greed is a never ending quest, there's no achievement and he will happily compromise whatever boundaries to achieve profit, he will never reach a point of balance like them because their is no line, even if he had everything it'd never be enough.
I mean Bee advocates for a bit of self destruction and dissociation. However she does draw a line at a certain point.
@@Hoppypoppy21 Yeah, Bee is that partygirl who will hype you up while you get absolutely wrecked off your tits, but she's also the partygirl who'll hold your hair back while you're throwing up, who'll take the phone out of your hand when you go to text your ex, who'll (as she did with Blitz) actually *notice* when you're getting hammered, not to have a good time, but to try and avoid thinking about the bad time you've been having. Bee is pretty much the ideal friend to have at a party.
Both draw the line at what is effectively the same net negative for their sins. People destroying themselves like that will ruin her honey as it kills the buzz. Force being used does much the same. Not only is the lust of one person not present but the other is focusing on completely different sins by enjoying the breaking and domination of another person. If there was a demon of suffering they would be all over that. These two however find it taints their sins.
The pimp in pride Valentino of course has his eyes on power over others. He isn't about lust itself but rather control.
I gained IMMENSE respect for Asmodeus when he talked to Stolas about it. I originally hated the dude for shit talking Millie/Moxxie for their relationship, which was hypocritical as hell cause he and Fizz CLEARLY had something going on.
I mean, Mox also sat there and sang a sappy love song in a restaurant dedicated to lust and Millie hurt Fizz. So, messing up the vibe at his business and hurting his lover. Plus, man had to keep up appearances.
@@kesia872true true🫡
@@kesia872yeah in Ozzie’s and fizz’s defense that wasn’t the time or place for love song house of ozmodies literally says “Ozzie’s isn’t the place for sentimental sounds”
What moxxie did was equivalent to wearing a clown outfit during a funeral. Doing the wrong thing in the wrong place and time. Ozzie was just defending his business. Heck Ozzie even offered advice to Mox at the beginning and gave him an opportunity to redo his song. I honestly think Ozzie was mostly in the right in that episode.
i think he more shit talking stolas and blitz. Mox sang a 'sentimental sounds' in a place not meant for that. Meanwhile, he criticized stolas for being in a "relationship" with an imp [blitz] while he was also in a secret one with fizz
Valentino fills the role of the 'bad' side of Lust, so having Asmodeus be against it makes some nice contrast.
What would be the "good" side of lust?
@@ayze491 passion, conviction, and desire. Being energetic, full of life, and doing what you wish to do with enthusiasm.
@@noahjohnson935 Those are all great things, but I don't see how they relate to Lust at all, we gotta remember that the sins are toxic exagerations of something, and Lust as a whole is the passion and desire you mentioned but in a level that harms you and others
@@ayze491 while I get your point, as a writer there is a point in having contrast with characters sometimes. Asmodeus in Helluva Boss and Valentino in Hazbin Hotel are characters with similar roles as managers in the Adult Entertainment industry and represent 2 parts of that whole industry and the lifestyles that spawn from it. One is more toxic (Valentino) while the other is more well adjusted (Asmodeus). Ozzy may not meet your definition of Lust in the IRL sense but his character is more interesting and nuanced.
@@noahjohnson935 That's very well said, he really fits the vibe of the show. Although I think the seven deadly are not really taken seriously, feels like there is a lot of missed oportunities and is a little disapointing to see how asmodeus and mammon are in the end. Even though they are suposed to be second only to lucifer in power.
In the end it feels like it's just rewriting the same idea trying to make them better, like how Ozzie and fizz are reworked stolas and blitz, and how Valentino just seems like a more serious and flashed out version of the suposed "Asmodeus". But you are right, he does fit helluva boss really well
I like how despite being the literal God of Lust he's still respectful of other people's consent and personal boundaries.
I feel it’s more _because_ he’s the head of lust. You play the game right and it pays off in the long run.
hes not a god tone that shit down right now he is a demon
@@AbsolBubon Dude relax
@@QueenFiera nah I'm good enough hell
@@Azurada23rd I mostly think of the Sins as Gods or god-like but they can also just be personifications too.
A part of me wonders if the reason he values consent so much is from a "r*pe isn't about sex, it's about power" pov. That'd be more pride than anything.
Lust is sexual desire and that is still for it, there's bad and good versions of Lust and he's supportive of the good.
I think that's wrath, not pride.
@@AuraleafStorm wrath doesnt really have anything to do with power
Yep, he says "it shouldnt be about force".
He's not condemning rape, he just finds it tacky.
He's a demon, he's still evil.
That and the "it's all about that Journey" thing.
Lust exists for far more than just the act of sex itself. The Flirting,the foreplay,the sex for one time where both enjoy it and then several more if all goes well. Definitely way better for him than Sex where 1 of the 2 parties is knocked out
Ozzy - "Lust shouldn't be about force"
Nifty - "I like being forced"
Ozzy - 👁️👄👁️
still consenting!!
if someone is UNWILLINGLY forced, that is deffo the problem but niffty wants that and we dont kinkshame guys
I love how Ozzie is a GREAT communicator. Like a good chunk of characters struggle due to their lack of it, but Ozzie is really upfront with his shit?? Which kinda furthers his stance on consent and healthy sex- he's just a positive icon for lust, it's a treat.
With these two clips lined up together.
I think the fact that Asmodeus dosen't like Robofizzies are less about him being possessive or monogamous and more about the fact that Robots (or Fizirolli) cant consent to any sexual acts they are commanded to do.
It seems like Bee and Asmodeus are empaths with their sin.
So of course in the same way that Bee can feel when people are hurting themselves by overindulging and tries to discourage that. Ozzie can feel people's lust and the lust people has for Fizzy dosen't feel good to him.
I got the same Idea
Maybe the RoboFizz is a metaphor or is foreshadowing on how people treat Fizzarolli like an object instead of a person
The lord of Gluttony discouraging overindugence is the most oxymoronic idea ever conceived. Gluttony is literally *_all_* about overindulgence. Temperance and moderation are the virtues gluttony is diametrically opposed to, they're literal opposites.
@@BestWayKilla I mean, in the instance where Beelzebub did it, it is also because Blitz' bad mood was affecting :
1. Her own mood because she can taste it (which, I guess it isn't a pleasant taste),
and 2. because of the fact she needs the people at her party to have a genuine good time to create good quality Beelze juice, rather than what Blitz was doing which was to try to run away from thinking about his problems in a unhealthy way. (so it would affect her business)
(Though, Bee may have also have had some genuine concern for Blitz, hard to tell if she was genuine or not)
So, unfortunately, that probably makes them "weak" enough to fall defending their inhabitants from whoever is in charge of greed and envy.
@@orianefaton1885 I think this may be an overall meta thing being done by the show. Where TRUE embrace of the "deadly sins" actually entails a lot of positive habits to make the most of those sins.
If you think Lust is "forceful" or should be forced, you got no idea what lust is.
Lust CAN BE that, every definition says Lust is a craving of sxxual desire and rxpists desire lust but in a horrible way.
@@artistanthony1007 pretty sure this ozzy here would probably ban that Mal practice in his ring, not sure about the actual demon but... this ozzy seems like he'd hate grape.
@@artistanthony1007 The type of desire r@pists have is closer to greed/wrath because they get off on the power, not the sex.
@@Tonsils-micman I think the actual Asmodeus from the demonology lore cares about consent too, because there was a story in the book of Tobit about a woman named Sarah, and Asmodeus unalived seven of her husbands because they married her for her body and not for her, then when a man named Tobias marries her for love Asmodeus spares him. (That's just my interpretation, I only read the Wikipedia summary)
@@TranswealthyTrillionairewe unironically saying unalived and not kill now lol
I like how when Fizzarolli tries to excuse the creepy fan situation, Ozzie phrases it in a way that will help Fizz actually listen. He doesn’t seem to mind making excuses for the trouble it causes himself, but he will care how it makes Ozzie feel, especially since those feelings come from a place of love and care.
I know, and I love it. I've heard that some people think the way Ozzie says "I" is worrying, and that he's thinking about himself. But it's not like that at all. "If not for yourself then do it for me". I really love them
It kind of makes sense since the Sins in this universe seem to operate on a Blue-and-Orange Morality that seems centered on how to "properly" and "effectively" commit to their sin. So someone like Asmodeus is fine with cheating (as that is usually all about lust), but despise r*pe (because it's about dominance rather than lust).
It also, in a weird way, explains him being in a committed relationship with Fizz. Love and Lust are different, but not antithetical. They can even affect one another. You may, for example, feel more lust for someone you love than an objectively more attractive stranger. So Asmodeus isn't even acting against his own nature; his relationship with Fizz is simply an incredibly focused version of Lust.
And romantic love can enhance lust as well.
@@Silksper “romance is my kink”
So, so, _so_ true!
Kinda troubles me that Oz has been asked about love potions so much that he immediately that that’s what Stolas wanted from him
In a way it would make sense that people ask him, especially if they don't know his stance on consent.
But it's lovely how he immediatly shuts it down when he thinks it's going in that direction
I love how even though this show takes place in hell and some of characters are literal embodiments of sin the characters themselves are (in most cases) good people with respectable opinions and values, the fact the creators took something usually depicted as evil in media and made like-able/relatable characters out of it is just awesome.
you do somthing for thousands of years ya make standards and rules for it eventually.
I think there may be the fact that in itself the different sins are technically not "bad" in themself. It is that they may lead you to do greater sins. This is the meaning behind "deadly sins". It is more like the original desires that can lead to other things.
Wrath may lead to murder, Lust to adultery, Gluttony can lead to overdose, Pride to manipulation, Greed may lead to stealing, Envy to bullying, Sloth can lead to neglecting the spirituality (people think Sloth is laziness, but it is just about spiritual laziness, so not praying to god or stuff like this, I guess)
This is why in older text, some monk saw Depression as a sin (because faith is supposed to lead you to happiness, and maybe because depression can lead to su*cide, which is forbidden too)
@@orianefaton1885 That is actually really interesting, I didn't know that.(Especially that thing about sloth)
I think it’s because while the concept of the sins themselves are mainly bad, you don’t have to be a completely horrible person to commit them, and some of the sins aren’t exactly “evil”. Like with Lust, you can basically boil committing the sin down to just having the desire to have sex, which you can argue isn’t actually a sin at all if it’s consensual. Take that mentality with Ozzie, and he genuinely just likes the pleasure that comes with Lust, and doesn’t want to harm anyone.
Now obviously there are sins that are rooted in doing evil, like Greed or Wrath. I think that’s why Mammon is an asshole, he’s the embodiment of an actually evil sin.
@@theitalianmexican1035 Good point👍 Ty for the reply✨
HE IS A MAN OF CONSENT AND WE LOVE IT FOR HIM
I just adore that Ozzie, the literal EMBODIMENT OF LUST, is an aggressive enforcer of consent. It’s just such a wonderful little detail :3
Consent just makes lust better, ofc he’d encourage it! :3
lust has consent and I love how Ozzie is emphasizing that 😊
It really is!
While Lust is understandably viewed as a corruption of love, i like how Ozzie represents the fact that lust is not inherently about being domineering and non-consensual.
In fact, it actually makes sense why he would think that way, since two people lusting over each other is significantly better and a longer lasting effect than one person forcing their lust on another person against their will
Rather than pure lust
professionals have standards
be polite
Be efficient
Don’t force shit on people if they don’t want it
@@xshimaeraxx don't you know the tf2 reference?
@@theheartseer he probably does, but this is Asmodeus we're talking about and not Satan. "Have a plan to kill everyone you meet" wouldn't have worked.
With of course the exception of Mammon being an absolute A-hole, i really enjoy how the Deadly Sins seems to have a more positive view of their sins, Asmodeus with his view on consent and how Lust is a thing that require both parties agreement and Beelzebub enjoying the excess of Gluttony but not as a way to escape your problems
Good point!
A tricky one to do, may be Leviathan, as I can't really see a "good" depictation of Envy.
In itself, Wrath can serve as motivation, though I am not sure if Satan will be like this. (but the healthy way to use one's wrath/anger is to direct it in healthy outlet and to try to change what is angering you, if it can be changed, that is.) Though it is also one that is easy to villify too... Though, I doubt that Satan will be however wrath is depicted as usually (a hot headed person that usually barely has any forth thought)
Sloth is a sin that tend to be hard to turn into pure evil sin. At best, it would be about being irresponsible, though I wonder if in this version of hell, Sloth may be fused with Depression (who used to be seen as a sin), which would explain why Belphegor created (?) the happy pills. It was originally for her (I think remebering Beelzebub to have refered to Belphegor as female)
For more explaination about the Depression part... From how I understand it, the belief was that God was Joy and thus a good believer would not be sad/depressed, which would be about being distant from God. (and Sloth is also about being distant from God, but instead by showing "spiritual laziness" rather than the laziness that we recognize, plus depressed people sometime do go through the loss of motivation, which make them appear as lazy, so those two sins have a link)
I think it comes down to the fact that Vivzies interpretation of all of this is to make realistic characters born of certain vices. a character born of gluttony cannot encourage overconsumption at personal expense because that would lead to death and the inevitable lowering of their consumption and the pleasure they derive from it. lust cannot encourage SA because that creates victims who cannot enjoy lust. but greed? greed is a sin that is all about delusion, a being born of greed can't mediate itself without destroying itself, so it just expands and expands and expands until it breaks. Mammon is the worst person because they are born of the worst sin.
Makes you wonder why would anyone would wanna go to heaven when you can commit atrocities in the mortal realm and have little to no consequences when you die, especially when the ones in charge are preety nice and often just give you a good time in every aspect.
1. the rules are vauge, heaven can't actually define what you have to do to get there.
2. sinners are confined almost exclusively to the pride ring for a reason, hell is simultaneously a living breathing world with it's own native residents *and* a place for the punishment of sinners. the other rings are entirely native, and while they have their issues, they don't actually exist to punish anyone. the pride ring acts as a punishment by forcing all of these terrible people together, basically in a "hell is other people" sense.@@cloudshifter
It's not just about consent, He's also saying that forcing somebody is basically cheating at the game of lust.
Well it was either that or the crew gets into controversy for making the embodiment of lust a rapist. But then people on twitter ACTUALLY got mad that he was about consent. I'm dead serious people were complaining about that...
Wait WHAT…first They Complain (by complain I mean Body Shaming) about Bee not being fat and now they complain about Ozzie for not being a fucking r@pist?
@@StarDustBunnies464I don’t understand why you’re surprised. I mean It’s twitter, someone could cure cancer, and twitter would cancel them for stopping something natural.
@@StarDustBunnies464 yeah some people are dumb lol I would know lol. I have experienced it on deviant art lol. XD
@@StarDustBunnies464 if you wanna know what happened don't be afraid to ask lol it's just so stupid 😂
I also get the impression that while they may be the embodiment of sins, that doesn't stop them being their own people/individuals outside of that, like it's their job that they were born for and not their entirety. And that's why they have plenty characteristics that seem to differ sometimes from what we expect from their sin or even sin itself (not that I think that's true in this case as I agree with other commenters that consentual sex falls in line with true pure lust way more than non consentual)
When you realise that Ozzie would be a far better boss for Angel Dust than Valentino.
Even when other characters aren't showing lust, Millie and Moxxie. Ozzie only encourages them to express their lust, he doesn't force them.
He gives them chances and then tells them to leave.
Hes a good man
Yeah he just wanted Moxxie’s song to have sexual lyrics
Fizz and Asmodeus would protect Angeldust with their life if they ever found out what Valentino was doing to him
It makes complete sense too when you think about how he's the demon prince of lust, so not only is it that consent brings about more feelings of lust from both parties, as said by others, but he's a devil. A demon. They go crazy for consent in actual demonology too, hence contracts and deals with mortals. They need the consent of the mortal before anything happens, and shun demons who try and force their will, as it's a barbaric and brutal way.
I like how despite the show being in literal motherfucking hell, it being pretty sexual already (i mean cmon Ozzie had a fuckin dick candy), and it being the literal sin of Lust speaking, the show still emphasizes that even with thr sin of lust, consent is the most important thing thats involved
consenting lust between two people has to be the most exhilarating experience you can have
it just goes to show that not all Sins are evil in and of themselves. Except Greed. Greed is always evil.
Pride is also an inherently evil sin. Pride and greed both cause someone to believe they're above another person.
@somerandomcorsair I agree and disagree with that notion. Yes, like all things, Pride and Greed in excess are detrimental both to the self and to others.
But is it not human to feel Pride? To be proud of something you've accomplished? And what of Greed? The ambition to act comes from Greed.
To be fair to you, though. No true satisfaction comes from Greed. Pure Greed will always see you wanting more, never being satisfied or invoking pleasure from what you already have.
@@kingcamelot1395 This is an issue with English. Pride has two meanings in English. One is an emotion. The other is a belief about one's self.
The sin of pride referenced in Abrahamic religions basically just means narcissism. It doesn't mean the emotion of pride.
Someone who feels proud of themselves for achieving something isn't committing the sin of pride.
@@kingcamelot1395Pride in the Bible can more accurately be described as narcissism in modern English. It's not about being proud of your accomplishments, per se, but treating yourself as above others or as perfect. Pride in the Bible isn't feeling good about yourself, but allowing it to pervert you into doing things that would be deplorable, under the logic and reason that you deserve it. It's why Pride as a sin can by proxy lead to other sins. It can lead to Wrath because you believe someone else deserved it. It can lead to Lust or Envy because you believe you deserve it. It can lead to Sloth or Gluttony because you believe you're above something. And it can easily lead to Greed from the delusion that you deserve it more than others.
Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood would like to have a word.
You know the situation is bad when Hell's Prince of Lust, the very embodiment of the sin itself doesn't like creating sex toys!!!
It's not that he is against sex toys altogether. It's that he doesn't like creating sex toys of his partner.
Creating sex toys is literally a huge chunk of his ring's business and he's fine with that.
You forgot that moment when Fizz suggests "testing new kinks" and Ozzie triple checks to make sure it's okay.
Yeah sorry
I think it’s good to acknowledge that Asmodeus has nothing against people asking his consent
Because there are time he doesn’t feel like he wanna « do it » and that’s okay as well just because he’s the embodiment of lust that doesn’t that he always down
i like how we now know a lack of consent is way more aligned with greed than lust. it just makes sense.
Considering how Valentino actually is affiliated love potions, this was great forshadowing. I can imagine how Asmodeus hates Val to his core, if he even knows about him.
Asmodeus: no means no, and consent is important
Valentino: and i took that personally
Asmodeus believing in consent kinda makes sense. Lust is about desire, if one party wants it but the other doesn't the magic of lust is gone.
It makes sense. Experts believe that rape is not about sex at all, but rather about the rapist exerting their power and control onto another person. Lust IS about sex so non-consentual relations would be the farthest thing from it.
Wow, even demons have standards. Impressive!
@@sandyboi3213 It's weird, it makes me think of Panty and Stocking: Two angels who got kicked out of heaven because of their trouble.
@@sandyboi3213 Well, I never heard of a hell that sounds pleasant. Hell is for people who have done horrible things to others: Think Adolf Hitler, Osama bid Laman, Saddam Hussain, Charles Manson. They had done such evil things of murder, brainwashed, creating chaos and other stuff. That’s what I believe Hell is for a reason for people like that. I know people think religion is about ‘staying in line’. I mean, I want to do good sure but also if I’m in pain, I turned to God for help and he shows me the way. Although Hell seems like fun, keep in mind that everyone around you is there for a reason. It's true that there are no actual laws, but you are on your own and have no defense against the murderer down the hall, the man attempting to set you on fire, no hospital, or law enforcement.
@@sandyboi3213 Right, right. I hear ya, sorry I was being a bit literal.
Honestly Viz world building has one major issue. Who the hell would want to go to Heaven when Hell is not only easier but straight up gives you non stop parties of all kinds for being a horrible person. Hell genuenly sounds like a nice place to be without any punishment instead of trying to strive insanely hard to be on a slightly better place.
@@cloudshifter About the world building, yeah it's an issue. But this is her interpretation of the universe she created. This is her vision, it's just like Paradise Lost: Satan is sympathetic in his rebellion. Not trying to justify in my Christian faith, it's simply fictional. But even so, Vizie made an unexpected modernized version of Paradise Lost.
Ozzie is truly the most based character in this show.
Words can't express how badly I want Ozzy and Val to cross paths so Big O can beat Val harder than he beats Angel.
Who's here after episode 4 of Hazbin Hotel? Ozzie would have some wise words with Valentino.
Wise words being Ozzie *😊👊👊👊* Val
If demons that are the literal embodiment of lust need consent, so do people. #ConsentIsHotRapeIsNot
What atrocities do I need to commit in order to get #ConsentIsHotRapeIsNot trending on all platforms?
@@justinrolls9526many
Chill, it's just a far fetched interpetation of Hell lol. I mean heck everyone is actually having a good time for being murderers and alcoholics instead of being tortured to an inch of their spiritual existence every waking moment. In comparison to real life, Hell in these two series looks like paradise.
Well, it's likje having an online persona, in the public eye lust is lust. But at home? Ew...
So… the Hazbin Hotel crew just needs to trick Valentino to meet Asmodeus.
… *Noted* 😈
Apparently, there are rules in place that say Hazbin Hotel characters & Helluva Boss characters can't interact.
It's a stupid rule.
Stolas really needed to hear his wisdom. Consent is vital.
It’s great how this version of hell shows both the good and bad sides of sins. Asmodeus understands the consent and pleasure that must be mutually assured between partners for lust to happen, but the show still at least acknowledges that those deeper darker sides still exist in the further reaches of hell. It’s kinda like how they show the good and bad parts of heaven, how it can look all innocent and pure, but how superficial it can be when it comes to certain aspects.
To Ozzie, Lust and R*pe are two separate things. One is the twisted form of love, the other is an act of violence with no passion behind it.
What do you man “to Ozzie” it’s common sense some people are just wrong
@@MBS-GGG Because of how the word Lust is used, it is associated with negative meanings, adultery, cheeting, R*pe. Strong sexual desire mixed with romantic feelings is considered love. So Ozzie's definition of love is raw sexual passion, without any romantic feelings. Much like an animal's mating season.
I love Asmodeus as a character. CONSENT IS SEXY. Asking for consent and making sure both know safe words is one of the sexiest things you can do.
Yeah that’s why he’s a horrible representation of lust but I still like helluva boss it’s not finish but I give it a 9/10 I think the finished story might be a 7/10
@@THE_Number_ONE_1_HATER No, it makes more logical sense for him to be pro-consent because then it's two people being lustful and not just one
@@tallic967 why would he be pro consent? Lust does merely sexual attraction a rapist commits to the sin of lust then rape he’s pro consent because the story is about characters were broken not actual demons was asmodases isn’t actually a shitty person a demon being pro consent takes the demon out of them
Someone should tell him about Valentino.
Asmodeos would be killing Valentino the moment he finds out about Val. 😂
"To me lust can be as beautiful as love" -- your Best Nightmare by London After midnight
It's so weird for me cuz like I'm a Christian but I still enjoy watching this show and seeing the sins represented in alternative lights. Obviously I don't condone sinning but I also think these characters are so enjoyable and I love them.
Damn if I lived in the Hellaverse I’d live in the Lust ring because Ozzie seems like a genuinely nice guy
Honestly, I was kind of hoping that Mammon could get the same treatment Asmodeus and Bee got in the show.
They are embodiments of sin, yet they lack the worst aspect of them. It would be pretty cool if Mammon was a savvy business man who has a lot of ambitions and doesn't discriminate against anyone, amd gives everyone a fair chance and respects the contracts with his employees.
But he turned out to just be another stereotypical greedy monstruous CEO.
Well, the political leanings of the creators probably lean left so it makes sense they wouldn't have a creative way of representing the sin of greed. You know, Capitalism is bad and all typa shit. I mean, that much was obvious when he said "women aren't funny". He was clearly meant to be a caricature of what they think a rich man would be like.
One of the sins had to be a monster… also greed means profit over anything… lust and gluttony are choices, greed is not being happy with any amount.
@@noahbusch7542 all the sins should be monsters, because every sin has the concept of want as a theme.
Envy: to want what you can’t have.
Gluttony: the want to be filled.
Greed/Avarice: the want for infinite wealth.
Wrath: the want for retribution.
Lust: the want for carnal fulfillment.
Sloth: the want for comfort.
Pride: the want for superiority
The reason why they are called “Deadly” is because each one of these desires, if not disciplined or conditioned, will lead to self-destruction.
To have just some sins be good and the others bad is contradictory. To say that it’s deep and methodical to have Lust be for consent but to have Greed be the most shallow interpretation of material wealth shows favoritism.
Don’t get me wrong, if you wanna have Asmodeus be a more positive character, then by all means go for it, but you need to provide justification for it.
If Thor just decided one day to stop being the Thunder God, and instead wanted to be the Pottery God, the writer needs to put in the effort to convince us why the drastic change happened, not only tell us why, but convince us why the change was so necessary.
Such is the nature of greed.
Greed, unlike most of the other sins involved, is an aberration. Wrath is natural and part of life, Lust and Gluttony are literally why we reproduce and eat to live, being slothful from time to time is fun, Pride in one's accomplishments is emboldening. Besides arguably Envy, most of the sins are self-contained aspects that are only expressly "Bad" when over-indulged.
But Greed? Greed is a parasitic sin, a sin that is nothing on its own because it has to leech off other things to sustain itself, take from other things, all to sate an addiction to possessing wildly more than you need for no other reason than "because you want it."
Greed is exploitation, manipulation, and even at best is only an addictive personality flaw being mitigated. At its Worst it's an amalgamation of the worst aspects of every other sin packaged and assembly-lined to sell soulless parodies (Like Fizz' doll) to the masses.
Greed is the first sin we've seen that might actually Deserve the title. Greed is the cancer cell that rebels and steals resources from the rest of the body, killing it to perpetuate only themselves.
The more someone gets rich, the more other people get poor. Greed can't be good - unless you twist it. Maybe Mammon could have been after something better than money. But they made lust about sex, so it's better to make greed about money, for consistency's sake.
I'd actually be interested to see how Oz would get along with minos from ultrakill, given how theyre both kings of lust
i feel like they'd be allies considering they had similar goals for their people
Minos would hit him with a flying kick while yelling "JUDGEMENT!!!"
@@voomvoom4522yeah that would probably be what would happen
People misunderstand the sins all the time, like Gluttony, which doesn’t mean eating until your fat, it just means in excess/ too much
What I found interesting and a little hard to swallow (I know it comes from ignorance but still) is Asmodeus lecturing Stolas on consent, after mocking him the last time they met for giving up his “Smokin’ wife” considering absolutely nothing about his relationship with his wife was consensual.
There is the possibility that he had no idea of anything about the relationship between Stolas and his wife. I mean, Stolas is technically higher on the chain than any of the sins (presumably) and they have to keep an image. I doubt the sins have any true information about the lives of the lords. He probably just thinks Stolas is having an affair.
@@ElloFantasy indeed; as I said, it was probably born of ignorance to Stolas’ situation, didn’t stop it from feeling like a low blow.
@@ElloFantasyStolas?? Higher on the chain??
It's literally the other way around 💀. Only ones higher than the Sins are Lucifer and his family
(I agree with the rest of your comment thou)
@@ElloFantasy for future reference the hierarchy of hell goes as follows:
1.Lucifer (king of hell and sin of pride)
2. Charlie and Lilith (though Charlie may be stronger since she's half Angel)
3. The Seven deadly sins (ozzie, bee, mammon)
4. The ars goetia (stolas, stella, Octavia, paimon)
5. Overlords (powerful sinners like Alastor)
6. Sinners
7. Succubi, Incubi, and pretty much anyone not accounted for elsewhere one the list.
8. Imps and hellhounds
He's not lecturing Stolas on consent. He was making fun of Stolas for essentially throwing away his whole life (his wife, some of his status, possibly his relationship with his daughter, etc.) just to get laid. Yes, we as the audience know more context but Ozzie literally only knows the surface level info that Stolas is a goecia that's married with a kid and is cheating.
Mad respect for the HEALTHY COMMUNICATION -- Ozzie using "I-statements" to express his complaints about Mammon's treatment of Fizz, instead of "He does this" or "You do that".
He's a greener flag than the men I know😂
Whatever happens, if Lucifer and Ozzie find out how Valentino meet Charlie then Valentino can make his Grave, you dont mess with Uncle Ozzie
Things like assault and r*pe are more about violence and force rather than lust. They’re about holding power over another rather than pleasure. Lust is more about pleasure than force so it makes sense for Asmodeus to hate love potions
I appreciate how they portray him. it would be impossible to make a character who doesn't care about consent likable in any way. I also appreciate how they portray each of the protagonists as morally gray while the antagonists are made to be clearly irredeemable.
Same way Bee doesn't like people partying too hard. Over-indulgence you choose to partake in, is gluttony. Compulsive, self-destructive over-indulgence is just neurosis.
The fact that he's the Sin lord of Lust. But it shows that he's not that kind of person, he is not into these kind of bullsh*t. He's a good man, and Fizzarolli is lucky to have him.
And he's especially not like Valentino (Angel Dust's boss)
I think that Valentino is fucking lucky Ozzie is nowhere near him because I think Ozzie would smite him
And take Angel in
He'd double unalive Valentino
That's why Valentino went safe and named his club conscent.
The fucking sin of lust is more sane then a lot of ppl.
Maybe this is why Lust and Gluttony seem to be the most "harmless" of the sins.
*IF THE EMBODIMENT OF LUST CAN RESPECT CONSENT SO CAN YOU*
*CONSENT IS BEST . CONSENT ALWAYS MATTERS . THAT IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL / IMPORTANT THING*
What if someone says "no" to play hard and wait for you to be more persistent to get worked up and if you let them alone you blue ball them?
Funny how a literal embodiment of sin is more respectful towards boundaries than a lot of human beings
If Ozzie met Val he would despise him.
I wish I could understand why people got mad because they wanted Ozzie to be a r×××st..... isn't this *way* better??
I said this to my husband when we first watched it and it’s seriously my favorite thing ever. Ozzie is seriously the best
when a sin is more reasonable then an overlord
I want Ozzy to fight Valentino so bad
Unfortunately it probably won't ever happen as Ozzie has no business in the Pride ring.
I want him to fight Valetino and save Angel. Because he'd be furious if he found out what Valentino is doing to that Sinner.
Consent is in fact VERY hot
Rape is not about being lustful, it's about pride and exerting dominance over another person. Asmodeus explicitly states that he's even fine with people cheating on their partners, as with approving Stolas' relationship with Blitz when he was still married to Stella, because affairs are born from lust.
I like Asmodeus for this, it's very refreshing that even he has standards it makes Fizz and Ozzie pleasant to watch.
He is so cute❤ he truely cares and he is a good king of his ring❤ he loves his Fizzy and if someone comes too close to him for his liking he gets protective/jealous. Such a peacock❤
this might be weird but, as a SA victim this clip just makes me feel safe.
As one of childhood SA myself, I don’t think it’s weird at all . I was in shock and suddenly tears flowed.
This is definitely not the place to out yourselves as SA victims, you might need to talk to someone to keep that to yourself and if you already are talk to them MORE.
what drives me nuts is that this is literally HELL. Yet a SIN believes in CONSENT??? this confused the hell out of me.
Rape is about violence/dominence most of the time
Consent makes sin easier, folks like you never once think evil can also be practical.
These shows are actually more about showing the good in the bad. Even before Hazbin was out, this show showed how there are good in bad people, or that not everything about hell is evil just like not everything in heaven is pure and good.
These are the main themes of the shows and I don't understand how people have watched even a few episodes and still expect black and white themes-
Ozzie's going places where Valentino will never reach
this is why HE is the embodiment of lust. GOOD JOB!
Well that explains why Asmodeus supposedly illegalized and denounced all the crap Valentino uses.
Ozzie is my favorite. He's such a entertaining character to watch. I love how he has standards and genuinely does care.
Me an my friend were talking about how misunderstood Lust is. And how r@p3 is probably more greed than anything. You're taking because you want to, and it doesn't matter if they say no.