I knew who you were going in. At least I got some tips in exchange for getting destroyed. Holy crap I didn't realize how strong pitch was, no wonder people were always faster than me. I'm gonna go in arena commander and try your pitch up technique. I guess getting slaughtered was worth it LOL
The upstrafe and positioning for their momentum is going to help me enormously. I’m always so frustrated with my pip constantly jumping around, so this makes so much sense on how to cut down on that!
I've had this ship since release - and in the currently flight model I hate it (particularly in atmo where it has all the handling of a dead cow using an Action Man parachute). Against good opposition, my biggest issue is stamina death - with boost reliance to maintain position. All that said, lots of great advice in this video.
I love the Hawk and I love this break down. I am more of a trader in game, but I would like to hunt some game at times lol. More PvE, but this can be handy for pvp
The Hawk's a fun fighter despite its flimsy wing guns. It's definitely one that has changed to a much more pitch/roll dependent flight pattern since 3.14, which threw me at first.
Awesome video! I've got some questions, if you don't mind: - What do you think of the Hawk vs the Gladius? - Do you corkscrew into fights to be a harder to track target? - I'm flying a Constellation Taurus as my main ship. Instead of corkscrewing in, blowing by and trying to get behind the target, would I be better off (since my shields are strong but the ship is sluggish) trying to just beeline towards the target and light him up, instead of corkscrewing in? - How do you know what the prime engage distance, or slot, is? You mentioned 800m in the video. - Why strafe up instead of pitch up? Thanks so much!
I agree with a lot of these questions, hopefully Avenger can answer them. I was also thinking about the hawk for pvp bc while it is a flimsy and large target, the emp could force your opponent to back off giving you a chance to reset the fight if its not going your way. Also if your opponent tries to flee, its faster than most ships, only racers can outrun it in a straight chase.
I notice that you only pitch up but most ships turn way faster if you pitch and yaw at the same time. It depends if the manouvering thrusters have sets for these specific directions or if they are gimballed. If you have seperate sets of thrusters or generally more you'll turn alot faster than what some stats on the ship pages make you believe. I recently retested that by doing a turn circle in Hurston atmo. While turning my Hawk on the side and just turning by pitching straight up It needs around 6 seconds for a full circle without boost and throttle up. When I did a sort of 45 degree angle both pitching and yawing it took 4 seconds. This test is best done on a planet or moon with the sun or any other very noticeable landmark to count the time. In space you could easily get turned around and not fly a flat circle.
I've been saying what you're saying for YEARS. Some people who think they're top pilots just orbit or side strafe without rolling or actually utilizing all of the actual potential ability of individual ships.
This way of flyin is the only way to use lag pips. Flyin lead this method is not needed and why ppl orbit or strafe. This does t make you a top pilot so idk what that comment was for. It would be hard to explain so jump in ac mode and just try keeping your pip on target as much as possible. If you dont roll with lag pips you will work yourself to death and still nvr keep pip on target. The draw back of a lag pip against a lead pip is that you are always presenting your belly setting up for the merge on a head on attack. And often left with the target out of sight while setting your pip. Lead pips have the advantage of always keeping you in view and nose on target and dont have to make large movments to put pip on target when target changes direction. Strafing is just a bi product of keeping pip on target. Just like circle fighting is for lag pip users.it all comes down to what FEELS better to the pilot. Lag feels like playin dcs combat and lead feels like an fps shooter
Just recently discovered your channel and your stream. Enjoying it so far. I was looking around for info on your setup. Can you give us a quick overview of your Sticks and maybe the scheme you are using?
It's nice to see that someone is using my favorite ship. Just one question? Why don't you use the EMP? Is it bad right now? I always thought it was a good tool in the Hawk's arsenal
The idea of an EMP emanating from the body of a craft is stupid anyway. All the EMPs should be replaced with quantum snares and the EMPs should be missiles.
Is there a logical reason why ESP is more helpful in the pitch axis over yaw? When it comes to pure turn rate, you would get the fastest turns diagonally, utilizing both axes' turn rates simultaneously.
I love theses! Ive been playing for 6m now and want to get into pvp for 3.18. Is there a way you can display your axis inputs so we can see better what you input during theses engagements?
I know I am late to this video but I keep hearing people talk about how flimsy this ship is but after looking at EKURL, the hawk has more hp and the same shields as the gladius. Was there a buff to it that made it better? In my experience with both ships, the hawk is a better ship and to be honest, I really didn't see all that much of a difference when it came to maneuverability. Maybe it's just me but I've been killing it with that hawk. This thing lowkey, is probably my favorite fighter.
In theory the Hawk has a pitch of 46 deg/s and yaw of 42 deg/s. Is that 4 deg/s difference what makes Pitch superior? Or is there another factor - like maybe a difference in terms of accelerating into the max rotational speed?
I have the problem that there is a bit of a language barrier. I'm not a primary English speaker so I have absolutely no clue what you mean by pitch, yaw, upstrafe, thrust or boost.
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I knew who you were going in. At least I got some tips in exchange for getting destroyed. Holy crap I didn't realize how strong pitch was, no wonder people were always faster than me. I'm gonna go in arena commander and try your pitch up technique. I guess getting slaughtered was worth it LOL
that is the right idea!!! keep it up!
you don't learn by winning, you learn by losing and correcting mistakes.
dude, this was so useful! thanks for covering the hawk. this helps me understand how to use this ship so much better!
thanks man I'm glad it helps!
The commentary is so helpful. When to upstraif, downstraif and boost makes a lot more sense now.
I'm learning combat from Avenger to apply it in Elite Dangerous cause my laptop can't handle Star Citizen at all 🙃 haha. Awesome videos man!
Cool to cover an often underutilised ship. Nice that you changed your strategy up to fit the ships performance.
thanks brother
The upstrafe and positioning for their momentum is going to help me enormously. I’m always so frustrated with my pip constantly jumping around, so this makes so much sense on how to cut down on that!
Your content is top notch. My flying has become significantly better since I have subscribed.
We use your videos to show our pilots how to pvp. Every video gets posted in our discord. Your the best
The breakdown of the realtime maneuvers and what you wanted to do during the fight was super helpful to see! Looking forward to putting this to work
Really excellent real time description of the mechanics of space combat.
Dude is a murdering genius. Sub to his Twitch! These explanations are seriously helpful, thanks!
Thanks brother!!
I'm watching this a year later, and I fully agree, I've learned a lot so far
Pure excellence! Thank you.
Love the Hawk! Such a cool and Spartan bountyhunters ship! Nice tutorial. I see you preference lag pip. I toggle between the two depending.
I love the Hawk, great video. thank you.
I've had this ship since release - and in the currently flight model I hate it (particularly in atmo where it has all the handling of a dead cow using an Action Man parachute). Against good opposition, my biggest issue is stamina death - with boost reliance to maintain position. All that said, lots of great advice in this video.
I actually enjoyed this video to be longer than usual. In fact it gave me more hints to why you still rip me apart in AC :D
Your going to love today's video than
as usual, great analyst of the fight and really really really helps so much...
I love the Hawk and I love this break down. I am more of a trader in game, but I would like to hunt some game at times lol. More PvE, but this can be handy for pvp
what a great video, there is so much from this one I can start thinking about putting into practice. Keep them coming!
Thanks brother! Everyday bro! Your gonna like today's video
Another excellent video! Thank you.
Bruv your skills have got Propa Respect from the comments.BIGG Respect Avenger__One for the Knowledge of your Madd Skills. PEACE
dude i couldnt say my own name in combat let alone teach. ive been on a chain of these videos all morning in the office today
The Hawk's a fun fighter despite its flimsy wing guns. It's definitely one that has changed to a much more pitch/roll dependent flight pattern since 3.14, which threw me at first.
I love these videos. You are a true content creator man
enjoyed a lot man thank you! keep it up!
thanks brother
Awesome video! I've got some questions, if you don't mind:
- What do you think of the Hawk vs the Gladius?
- Do you corkscrew into fights to be a harder to track target?
- I'm flying a Constellation Taurus as my main ship. Instead of corkscrewing in, blowing by and trying to get behind the target, would I be better off (since my shields are strong but the ship is sluggish) trying to just beeline towards the target and light him up, instead of corkscrewing in?
- How do you know what the prime engage distance, or slot, is? You mentioned 800m in the video.
- Why strafe up instead of pitch up?
Thanks so much!
I agree with a lot of these questions, hopefully Avenger can answer them.
I was also thinking about the hawk for pvp bc while it is a flimsy and large target, the emp could force your opponent to back off giving you a chance to reset the fight if its not going your way.
Also if your opponent tries to flee, its faster than most ships, only racers can outrun it in a straight chase.
the roll n pitch is easier with rudder pedals tho i got analogue keys too
it makes a huge difference.
You have a video in what your settings are as far as curves, esp, dampening curve etc.??
I never would have guessed that the Hawk carries so many hard points. Six? That is a lot.
Any reason why you don’t use the emp at all? Especially when you had their shields down
Have you done a video on your controls and setup yet?
Not yet but I will
It is amazing watching you dogfight
Thanks brother that's very kind
Excellent video as always! I was wondering, will you discuss the J-Hook maneuver at some point?
Everyday videos we will get too it :)
I can't wait to go practice this.
never stop flying!!
Awesome video! How did you make your aiming pip like that so it centers on the target instead of on the crosshair?
You can go on the game settings option or bind a control too switch target reticul to LAG pip
How do you look around in your cockpit so freely?
I notice that you only pitch up but most ships turn way faster if you pitch and yaw at the same time. It depends if the manouvering thrusters have sets for these specific directions or if they are gimballed. If you have seperate sets of thrusters or generally more you'll turn alot faster than what some stats on the ship pages make you believe.
I recently retested that by doing a turn circle in Hurston atmo. While turning my Hawk on the side and just turning by pitching straight up It needs around 6 seconds for a full circle without boost and throttle up. When I did a sort of 45 degree angle both pitching and yawing it took 4 seconds.
This test is best done on a planet or moon with the sun or any other very noticeable landmark to count the time. In space you could easily get turned around and not fly a flat circle.
I've been saying what you're saying for YEARS. Some people who think they're top pilots just orbit or side strafe without rolling or actually utilizing all of the actual potential ability of individual ships.
that's because you are like me, and believe in objective truth not personal truth
This way of flyin is the only way to use lag pips. Flyin lead this method is not needed and why ppl orbit or strafe. This does t make you a top pilot so idk what that comment was for. It would be hard to explain so jump in ac mode and just try keeping your pip on target as much as possible. If you dont roll with lag pips you will work yourself to death and still nvr keep pip on target. The draw back of a lag pip against a lead pip is that you are always presenting your belly setting up for the merge on a head on attack. And often left with the target out of sight while setting your pip. Lead pips have the advantage of always keeping you in view and nose on target and dont have to make large movments to put pip on target when target changes direction. Strafing is just a bi product of keeping pip on target. Just like circle fighting is for lag pip users.it all comes down to what FEELS better to the pilot. Lag feels like playin dcs combat and lead feels like an fps shooter
Just recently discovered your channel and your stream. Enjoying it so far. I was looking around for info on your setup. Can you give us a quick overview of your Sticks and maybe the scheme you are using?
Go watch his stream and do exclamation point "sticks" or "joystick" or "setup" or ask lol.
it will be in a future video
It's nice to see that someone is using my favorite ship. Just one question? Why don't you use the EMP? Is it bad right now? I always thought it was a good tool in the Hawk's arsenal
personal choice, I think EMPs are silly and we know they are going to change alot if not removed from the hawk entirely
@@Avenger__One huh?
The idea of an EMP emanating from the body of a craft is stupid anyway. All the EMPs should be replaced with quantum snares and the EMPs should be missiles.
Is there a logical reason why ESP is more helpful in the pitch axis over yaw?
When it comes to pure turn rate, you would get the fastest turns diagonally, utilizing both axes' turn rates simultaneously.
I think it's that the ships more responsive in pitch causing esp to feel more accurate
I love theses! Ive been playing for 6m now and want to get into pvp for 3.18. Is there a way you can display your axis inputs so we can see better what you input during theses engagements?
Great video! Do you use the roll with the X-axis of the right joystick or on the Z-Axis?
Roll on twist
I know I am late to this video but I keep hearing people talk about how flimsy this ship is but after looking at EKURL, the hawk has more hp and the same shields as the gladius. Was there a buff to it that made it better? In my experience with both ships, the hawk is a better ship and to be honest, I really didn't see all that much of a difference when it came to maneuverability. Maybe it's just me but I've been killing it with that hawk. This thing lowkey, is probably my favorite fighter.
Av, are you flying using double sticks? Your aiming is exceptional, I can do that only with a mouse.
yes duel sticks and VKB peddles
awesome
thanks bro
In theory the Hawk has a pitch of 46 deg/s and yaw of 42 deg/s. Is that 4 deg/s difference what makes Pitch superior? Or is there another factor - like maybe a difference in terms of accelerating into the max rotational speed?
This guy is using some of his yaw thrust in his pitching and whatnot which creates a tiny bit more advantage over the base stats.
its the response and accuracy on top of better degrees per second
I have the problem that there is a bit of a language barrier. I'm not a primary English speaker so I have absolutely no clue what you mean by pitch, yaw, upstrafe, thrust or boost.
Is there any reason u fly cpld rather than decpld? what are the pros and cons of each? under what circustances do you switch?
more control for tighter maneuvers
@@Avenger__One ie u switch to decpld for tighter maneuvers?
@@cyvan1750 nope I never fly decoupled specifically because coupled requires less input to hold tighter
Good fights and commentary, as usual. Flare macro?
nope, just paying attention
@@Avenger__One oh, I didn't mean automated, just getting 3 out like that.
@@FoxHound_Actual You can pre-set how many you fire when you press the button, i think its rightalt+H button
do u use a joystick ?
Yes