Maschine Plus in 2023: Am I Too Late To The Party?
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- čas přidán 3. 01. 2023
- Maschine Plus in 2023 Am I Too Late to The Party?
In this video, I'm looking to review frankly at NI Maschine Plus in 2023. This powerful but aging hardware with its fresh updates adds new features and enhancements to the already amazing Maschine + software.
If you're an NI Maschine Plus user, then this video is for you! I'm going through some of the new features and workflow benefits Maschine Plus still has 2023. This is a must-watch video if you're interested in what's should be coming next for NI Maschine Plus.
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I agree 100%. I am doing everything in Maschine but recently in Maschine plus . It's amazing how it can get impossible results. I connect M+ via USB - MIDI and transfer my data ( maybe that's update but still is not USB storage two direction ) . I was surprised with plugins in Standalone mode because they are precise and compressor is Audioable and just internal Maschine plugins are great . I would be happy with USB storage device for managing files from M+ Standalone. Lock States can be placed in Linear Mode like Notes to trigger Lock States or Scenes but I can change program with Nektar P1 for the manipulation of Scenes, Lock States and third one but I can dedicate program Change to specific MIDI Channel to play with Reaktor Program Change. MK3 was disappointed but I couldn't stand to have device not capable of making music so I took a challenge not harder than Video Games today and I am doing everything in Maschine and it's fast and easy especially where I coming from with automation lanes making me tiered while Maschine can make me do unthinkable modulations, quickly and on time on linear Arrangement or Scene.
I love my maschine +ibproduce a lot with it...standalone changes the game to produce quickly with its great workflow
Love your Maschine content!
Glad you enjoy it! Feel free to throw up anything you’re looking for. I’m mostly just uploading stuff as I noodle about 😊
Bought a used Maschine Plus last year for $750 and I like it a lot.
Any of the same gripes as me?
An purely curiosity, How is the SD card, replacing mine seems to have stopped any crashing issues. Im curious to find out if thats the story for many.
The fact that it has a single set of stereo outs does not bother me because I typically run every track through some sort of effects unit when recording it into the DAW. When I had my MPC 2500, I rarely did simultaneous multi-tracking, anyway. My only complaint with the unit is that it won’t allow me to use 3rd party plugins.
Bought a Yamaha Modx6 and love it the audio 10 audio outs USB to your daw.
Now there’s another viable option that wouldn’t even add bulk to the unit. Easy on Mac as well where you can add aggregate devices.
Do you use the MODX with Maschine? I've been thinking about getting one to pair with the Maschine Plus.
RE: number of line outs, you can connect a sound interface via usb and route your audio out from the Maschine+ through that. cheers
That circumvents my entire point, but sure.
Connect a Maschine Jam to the plus and something magical wil happen. Navigating clips and step sequencing is so much more fun that way.
Shame they discontinued the jam.
Im using it right now with my iPad midi to it using all my iPad instruments inside of it and loving it right now….About 2 years ago when I first purchased it I completely hated it but now I’m in love with it….
Whhhhoa hold up. You can use your iPad instruments with it 👀
@@Unders yes
How the hell are you doing that?
@@novich63you can also run the audio back into the Maschine from the ipad
@@novich63I’m guessing he’s probably just connecting the audio out of the iPad into the input of the Maschine+ as an “audio” track. So he wouldn’t have access to the midi files in Maschine, but would have the audio still. 🤷
Ive also been using Maschine since 2012 like you started with a mk1. What i really want to see in the plus is, a better arranger mode or record live to arranger mode because i hate using the current situation for arranging to the timeline.
I don’t mind the scene arranging. But I’d definitely like the ability to reorder them simply. And a live arranger would be welcome.
@@Unders I know that some people don't mind it but I personally just find it really fiddly when I come to using scenes and then clips. It's not impossible to sequence but I just do live takes instead and perform like I'm DJing with the patterns and mutes etc so I can get productions finished rather than labouring over them
Just got my mine #dawless finally
Hope you enjoy it.
I finally love mine but I really regret buying it at initial sale price.
That’s fair. I think the MPC One has made it competitive price wise.
Asda male to male Jack leeds extension cables 1 meter £3.50 2 meters £5.00. Male to female and female to female connector jack Leeds 3.50. I bought about 10 of them. Never have headphones wire length problem again, they also make great moduler or CV, Gate patch cabling.
it's not the cable length that's an issue. it's the fact that where the jack is placed makes the cable run over the unit constantly when i use. Wasn't aware Asda did audio gear though.
And I thought I was late to the party with my recent MK3 purchase.
I love the MK3. At a little over £300. It offers me multiple angles of attack. I use with a laptop/ desktop because I'm on the producer side of things and hotswap between the hardware UI, the maschine 2 software and my daw depending.
Had some mk 3/ maschine 2/ infiltrator 2 fun earlier.
Is there better stability from crashes on the + than on the Mk3?
I thought the MK3/ Maschine 2 CPU hits would be computer spec dependant?!
I'd like to check out MPC One/ Live MkII next time around.
Great vid and Happy New Year!
If you want that workflow an are cool with always being tied to a computer. The Mk3 is an awesome bit of kit, Especially the used prices right now.
Year later and I am happy with ability to place Lock States and Scenes right on time line triggering precisely almost like Automation/ Modulation. I miss USB storage device to be able to work in two way direction for file managing. Encoders must be used with TLC and it's is written on Safety Instructions when you open the Box. Manual is important and it's on NI Account. I was disappointed with MK3 so I tried to do everything in Maschine and it's success and now Maschine+ is enough for me to finish everything in Standalone Mode and there's something about how all plugins are working accurately. MK3 is still connected to Computer. MPC was a Thing like Trend and Legacy Standalone Box . It has lower Memory and quality of Sound is different to say. Jam was the best unit and only it was Standalone like this Maschine Plus . Loading Track on Mute Pad while Music is playing and me improvising and then I made transition to the Track, solo that Pad and load next group etc. It's fluid expirience that I was thinking it won't be able to do anything with CPU limitation but it can work wavelessy for 3-5 hours.
I returned my Maschine Mk3 and got a MPC live 2. Thats the true meaning of portability because It has a built-in battery, touchscreen, speaker. But I miss the workflow of the Maschine so I bought the Mikro. I also never used the MPC software in a computer because I don't like the workflow but in the standalone unit it's where it shines. But I have to say that it has a limited but solid sounds. Unlike the maschine plus were it has komplete and massive so you have lots to choose from. Overall I'm happy with the MPC live 2.
See I could care less about portable personally. I’d rather a pure studio style maschine plus. Hence comparing it to my 2000 era units. To be honest I don’t think you’ll go wrong with either of them. They are both awesome creative tools. Happy music making with your live.
@@Unders agree with you. Both of them are still good, its still in the hands of the creator.
@@Undersany news with the Maschine plus mk2? I would like to give it a try again since i like most of the sounds of thr maschine.
Nothing in my circle. But I dont know anyone at NI anymore since they laid people off in 2020.
Absolutely agree, it should have at least 4 ins and outs and 2 MIDI outs. I prefer headphones on back. I ended up buying an Arturia minifuse 4. I’ve never encountered crashes
Why do you prefer headphones on the rear?
Genuinely curious because I hate it 😂
@@Unders because I have a keyboard in front of the Maschine. Plus, I don't use headphones anymore so it doesn't actually matter where it is! My hearing is damaged from excessive headphone use
🙏 sorry to hear. But glad you’re still working on your passion.
@@Unders year it sucks but trying to not let it get me down and cause any further damage.
I like headphones on a back! They did it, because it does not poke your belly when you're on Maui, on a lanai, on a couch, with bear in one hand, and poking pads with the other :)
My Samsung 512Gb micro SD card works nice
If it were designed as a portable unit id kinda agree, I went for the SanDisk Extreme an honestly that seems to have resolved all loading issues. Shame the card in the box is so poor.
@@Unders Too bad it has no battery, though for the size I'd still prefer a wire to portable or wall charger. Used 256Gb SanDisk before also fine, but you're right awkward sending out underperforming card with expensive gear, even if they thought ppl will upgrade anyways :) At least there is no limitation on upper size, like 8Gb with the other brand.
I love my mk3 homie
Im not hating i've been here since the Mk0.9 lol
Just a comment about the head phone jack. I too hate it being at the back. With that being said I'm pretty sure the older mpcs like 2000, 2000xl and even the newer lives have the head phone jack at the back.
Your comment on it seems to suggest the older mpcs have a front headphone jack but that's not the case. In fact I'm sure it's just newer (relatively newer) like the 1000,2500 and 5000 that have.
Except I didn’t say that (I don’t think at least). An show the units I literally own 🤷♂️
An equally dislike the new MPC’s being in the back.
I love it at the back (no pun intended...). Anything with a headphone output on the front makes it unusable on my lap.
More Maschine Plus videos please!
What about?
@@Unders "Clips" and how to navigate through "Events" on Maschinae Plus in standalone mode!!! I get so confused with "Events" and how to move my notes around
@@ace0225 as in grabbing a single note?
Yeah that got me good to. I’ll put something together with bits like that I’ve discovered in. Hopefully get that together soonish. See what headaches I get with this course launch 😂
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I have the plus and it has been nothing but crashing and freezing,NI have replaced it twice so maybe it will be third time lucky. I also have the MPC live Mk2 and that unit has been amazing rock solid performance every time . Love the MPC, the plus is on the got to go list but I’m sure a new MK2 plus is around the corner.
I replaced the SD card with a sandisc extreme since the video. Not had a single crash since 🤞like I said in the video it’s stupid to provide such a poor key component like that.
I’m doubtful about seeing a plus 2 anytime soon as the lead designer was “let go” in 2020 along with most of the maschine dev team.
@@Unders Seems like Native Instruments felt pressured into making a standalone to stay competitive with the new hybrid Stand-alone MPC’s but there heart wasn’t really in it. They are comfortable with their Controller with the Software formula. Which to be honest revolutionized the modern Groove box and forced akai to get off its but and step up there game
@@mont-doggBeats tbh I think it’s great. But I dislike some of the hardware decisions. That make impractical as a standalone. Software wise though it’s super intuitive.
@@Unders facts
@@Unders where do you have this information from?
I’m late to Maschine too. Just bought a used Mikro MK3 very cheap. I don’t get the daw-less units from NI Maschine and Akai MPC - who doesn’t have a computer these days? That point about the outputs - not an issue when you use the Maschine 2 software on a computer. I suspect the Maschine line is due for and update….
Not being on the computer and mousing about is the point. By being stand alone there’s no need to reach to the computer. I’m a fan of the limitation that bring creativity. But once we’re on a computer the maschine software is kinda clunky and limited in a negative way as a DAW
It’s not for everyone that’s for sure.
@@Unders jus have the software loaded on laptop and close the lid.well thats the way I’m gonna be using it.i want to be able to manage my samples easily.lost them all on the plus when I had it ))
I'm sorry but I think your complaints about the analog outputs are really funny, when you talk about the individual outputs of your old machines, they really aren't from this era and belong to a past where even the old Maschines weren't audio interfaces, you couldn't do what you do today with a Maschine mk3 controller for example, but the Maschine Plus is a sampler and an integrated Mk3.
This machine is a complete workstation, it's also an MPC, it's also a maschine Mk3 controller, it's also a 24-bit 96khz midi and audio interface that handles 24-bit samples from kontakt.
It also has a mixer full of audio plugins to handle each channel of the internal mixer, that's why it's funny to ask this machine for individual outputs because it is designed as an all-in-one solution and not as an external sampler like the classics of the years. 80, 90, 2000, where to connect to your audio interface or analog mixer to process those audios with pedals or processors without being able to automate.
With maschine you can automate everything, anything, it's a machine that simply beats anything old.
And it does not have a touch screen, which for me is an important point since synthesizers and samplers with delicate screens die over time and are very expensive to repair.
Greetings and thanks for the video with all the information and personal perspective. 😁👍
An yet we have the MPC range with 6+ outputs. Despite the "all in one" solution. The thing is its a standalone unit, the MK3 doesn't benefit. But the Plus would. hell id even take 3.5 mini jack outs.
This is also why its impossible to please everyone. Despite this though im using the maschine plus every week.
The main competitor for the Maschine+ is Akai Force.
I'd say it's quite portable.
Id say its cumbersome adding a power brick to it
@@Unders the ac adapter?
Don't worry, nobody is as late to the party as Native Instruments
Oooof shots fired.
shouldn't this question be asked in like 30 years or so?
Things aren’t like they were. Even a decade ago. Well decade an a half for the other units I compared. Look at the MPC line up 🤷♂️
Had it for four weeks and had to return it for all the reasons everyone else here will experience if you buy one. Stunning machine but utterly pathetic for real standalone. So, I'll wait for V2...!
Pathetic how for standalone for you how? If you dont mind saying.
Genuinely curious as i've managed t put together entire projects, Im wondering if its knowing tricks for CPU heavy things coming from classic MPC's
A year to reply but I was bloody angry when I returned it- it's still jaw droppingly beautiful but my brand new unit would crash, freeze, lose files, and hit the CPU limit with just two sounds loaded. This was with a super fast SD card. But the icing on the cake was the update NI recommended for me to load before I started on the unit. This came with a bug which meant the unit wouldn't boot up or off quickly, freezing for ten minutes or more!
So, yes, I agree that the sounds and capabilities of the unit, if it works,.is stunning but my brand new unit was a total let down.
I now have the Mark III and use the PC. Much happier 😃
I use a Deluge, too, which has never let me down.
I got rid of mine and replaced it with an Akai Force...which is so much better in so many ways... The Maschine+ was too unstable, proprietary, and had no transition features...so it totally sucked, IMO...
No transition features? what do you mean by that.
Just the filters alone crush the Force/MPC……which is like the bedrock of transforming samples into new material.its just more surgical and refined….
I'm not sure that's true, the transition features on the maschine are much better. Everything you can do with the locks etc
I went the same route, then (luckily) I failed to sell the Maschine, in the mean time I realized that the Akai Force is not for me, and got rid of it instead, returning to Maschine. If anyone’s interested, the main reason was that the Force was actually terrible at being Ableton in a box but also sacrificing the sleek UX of the simpler MPCs and Maschine.
yeah your late but it's ok... I'm selling mine because I never use it
You know what, I just happen to have the same issue. I'm using the keyboard more than anything and haven't turned on my Maschine in months. Maybe it's time to go! lol
@@MannyXO NKS or just the keys and daw approach in general?
Curious Ave what’s staying indefinitely? Also HAPPY NEW YEAR 🥳
@@Unders just the daw and maschine in general. Sounds are fantastic though. I have the 13 ultimate and I use the 49 keyboard the most with Komplete and my Daw (logic) really. Maschine to me feels like I’m boxed.
Nah, you’re not late. If the Maschine workflow is your thing.. then it doesn’t matter! I find it much easier to work with the M+ compared to all of my other standalone gear.
I have an Idea for Maschine Plus MK2 - it must be 64 pads Maschine with more powerful CPU and more RAM. The design should basically mimic Akai Force. New Maschine must cost not higher than 1599. It must be packed with at least the amount of software and plugins that are included in Maschine Plus MK1. But as I don't like the Maschine software I'll not buy it anyways.
Riiiight..... Thats this months random rant award.
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