the engraving on the cymbal "Royal Harmonie" - orchestra "Aalst" - place in Begium "Gift from Mr. Victor Keppens" - self explanatory "1911" - for completeness
I get why some people don't like them so much in rides anymore, but I have rivets in my bottom hi hat and I kind of swear by it honestly. That little sizzle in the quieter parts of songs really goes.
NOT boring time. I recently found out that I've been beating on a 13" thin crash from the late 40's for about 25 years. I've been using it as part of a stack since I had to rig together a mount to fit the small hole.
A neighbor had an 18 inch cymbal stamped "Zildjian Constantinople" on it. It was SO trashy sounding, and dark. Super low pitched. The edge had dents in them, but no cracks. It was so dirty there was no way to clean it and make it shiny. My neighbor moved to Finland and left me that cymbal and an 18 inch floor tom. I had no idea what I had, and just wanted to play hard rock. So I was only into Bright cutting cymbals, like a Sabian HH Rock Crash, or Zildjian Ping Ride. When I gave up on drumming to go travel the world I sold it all. Somebody scored big.
Oh don’t worry, in the 70’s Zildjian made their first very shiny/heavy hard rock cymbals and called them “A Zildjian Constantinople”. They weren’t amazing and they don’t go for particularly much if it soothes your mind 😂
@@the.drum.thing. As I get back into drumming I've found I my ears handle bright cymbals anymore, at least not without hearing protection. A short while back Zildjian had a sale of 16 and 18 inch A series Medium thins (40% off list) so I picked them up. They'd have been perfect when I was a kid, but now they are physically painful to play if I don't have my custom molded hearing protection in. How my hearing survived being a teenager without any hearing protection I will never know As I look at transitioning from E-Drums (with volume knobs) to acoustics I'm pretty much only looking at darker cymbals these days.
Howly, that engraved text says its a gift to the royal harmonic orchestra of aalst, a city in belgium. How did it end up all the way on the other side of the planet 😂
THIS IS WHAT DRUM THING NEEDS TO BE not like every single video, but like a cymbol showcase with some history, and some jammin with it, and i love how you slipped in the comparison symbol
5:41 "What I'm gonna do with this next song is showcase the power I have as a drummer. The song is going to start off as it's meant to be as a down tempo depressed song. But midway through I'm going to change to rock/metal while the song itself is going to remain the same, including Lewis Hamilton boxing here. The change will be subtle. - S U B T L E- " (AN: I know little about music myself so please dont hate on me if I've got the music styles wrong. _I'm learnding_ )
I really like the shimmery sound of that cymbal. Like, sure, it’s not the loudest, and the rivets make it have a sound profile that won’t fit everything, but it’s SPARKLY and I love that sound.
Man, I wish those rivets made a comeback! I'm not very well versed in drums (I prefer my sax lol), but I love the effect of the rivets. Gives it this calm feel, kinda like the patter of rain. I think it would sound nice in jazz, or some other chill music. Just with the cymbal was louder lmao.
Hadn't seen riveted cymbals before today; but I really like how they affect the sound, and how they cause it to go quiet quicker. Certainly shouldn't be on every cymbal, but certainly useful!
Wanna know how deep that "boring time" actually went? The passages in that book are EXACTLY the same kind of thing in the medical college admission test (mcat, generally considered the hardest professional exam in the US) in a section called "critical analysis and reasoning". Ive seen so many passages phrased exactly like that one. Esoteric history passages are going to give me ptsd after this stupid exam is over.
0:37 fun fact it's dutch and says "Koninklijke Harmonie Aalst Geschenk van M Victor Keppens 1911" which means "Royal Concert Band Aalst Gift from M Victor Keppens 1911". I find it really interesting how some words are the same in English and in Dutch. For instance, you can translate "1911" almost exactly one on one, although you lose a bit of nuance in some contexts so you do have to be careful. Anyway Aalst is a city in Belgium so it's technically not even dutch but Flemish
The jazz and bossa sound gorgeous on both cymbals. The second song makes me hear a difference like the riveted one sounds bright then fades after. Plus the guitar riff reminds me of Makoto Kawamoto's 1/2.
idk i like the sound the cymbals make with the rivets in them! i can see how they may not produce a great effect for certain types of music, but i think it gives it character! great vids as always m8
I got so used to the sound of your Zildjian K-Custom Dark Ride by watching your videos. It has simply become the standard ride cymbal in my head and it sounds kinda comforting, while any other ride sounds odd. I listen to metal and stuff but this is the only place I really get to listen to different cymbals and drums and learn stuff about them. Which I really like, I love your content, thank you so much!
Online listings with vague titles can be a goldmine! I once found a mint condition boxed N64 for ten euro, listed only as ‘video game’. It was collection only and the seller lived around three hours away from me, so I drove to get it because a bit of a drive is worth that kind of deal. When I met the woman she said she thinks it was meant as a gift for someone, at some stage, but ended up in her attic.
Don’t know what I was expecting going into this, but dunking on Berlioz was not in my top ten things I expected from a Drum Thing vid. I’m here for it though. Up yours Berlioz, this is why people recognize Bizet more than you!
I really like that you compared it to the K Dark Ride after the stream. I was worried that these more analytical parts and comparisons would get lost with the switch to stream but this combination of the "old" drum thing style and the energetic stream parts is great!
You’ve talked about this cymbal several times and never in my life did I ever consider that those rivets weren’t solidly attached to the cymbal. I always assumed they were on there to tune the sound
Now I've got Istanbul (Not Constantinople) covered by They Might Be Giants going through my head ("Istanbul (Not Constantinople)" is a 1953 novelty song, with lyrics by Jimmy Kennedy and music by Nat Simon.)
damn this video just took me down the craziest rabbit hole, because back in high school i traded a bass guitar for a couple cymbals and stands, and one of the cymbals was this heavy (what i assumed to be) hi-hat top or bottom with no symbols or branding that i could see, so i used it as a ride bell /crash ever since. this video made me go clean it off and give it a close look to confirm that it is 100% the same type of cymbal in this video. although im assuming its not quite as old as the one you have since it says "made in USA", its 100% a zildjian 14" crash (was super hard to read but can make out the "ASH" of the wording) with the old engraved logo made of the same bronze and hammered in the same fashion, so maybe a replica piece of an early 1900s model or a legitimate piece of history. regardless im so glad i stumbled on this vid, cheers from alaska!
it's funny how the rivets can make or break a cymbal, and for whatever reasons my mind is now filled with thoughts of an L Zildjian completely filled with them
It reminds me a lot of the cymbals that Jack Wilson's quartet used for a few albums. With the right kind of riveted cymbal they can ride out forever, and they have a really distinct sound to them in recordings
I love the sound of a good sizzle crash. On Dear Prudence by the Beatles, you can hear a sizzle crash at the end of the choruses and it sounds beautiful.
I love the rivets on this cymbal. And honestly a special drum set up with both this and a normal ride would be awesome to improvise with for both flavors and for different parts of a song.
I love that old cymbal... but then you put that K Dark Ride up for comparison and I just start smiling, man. What a great cymbal and a sign of how far we've come.
The music the windows the Frank the atmosphere. You are truly entertaining 😊 And what a cool fact, such an old instrument company. Have a nice day my man 😎
That cymbal sounds heavenly with the rivets! I can see those making a small comeback in jazz, or some other genres for that slightly rustic sound (Industrial anyone?)
Compared to that bright, cheerful little guy, that Dark Ride sure lives up to its name. The first time you went back to it from the antique I was actually kinda shocked.
>they don't make them this way anymore and there is a reason why Why is that? The sound seems to speak for itself. It is subtle and beautiful. Why do they not make them like this anymore?
I love the sound of that. With all the effects cymbals and stacks, this is a lovely color that needs to come back. It's like a sizzle crash-splash hybrid
I thought it was nuts how well it blended in with the rest of the kit the first time you played it however WHEN THE ANCIENT CYMBAL WORKED WITH LEGALLY DISTINCT FROM BUT RESEMBLES CONGA AND KINDA SOUNDED WEIRD AND OUT OF PLACE IN THE TRAD JAZZ, INSANITY
We love boring time, Australian man.
We love boring time.
FAX
Boring Time best time
Boring Time is some of my favourite time
We LOOOVEEEE boring time. Time is an illusion, but boring time is the kinda illusion I can get behind.
Boring time is amazing. But I like funny time more
Slowly but surely I’m getting more used to Wade having a face and body
same when i first saw him i was devastated
I’m not even used to “Wade” yet, him’s Dankmus.
fake news, clearly AI
When did he first get them?
You think the weird part is that he has a body? I think it's that he has a name. Wade. He's Damkpods to me lol
drums are truly the only hobby in the world where you can hit something that’s 100+ years old with a piece of wood and have people be ok with it
or restoration work depending on what you’re working on
As a guitar builder I can tell you a 100% that's not true.
@@theothertonydutch Do people normally hit guitars with sticks?
@@mgkleym No, but PRS does and goes: oMG, whAT a DiFfErencE.. Yes, that was a tonewood joke.
One of the few instruments you fight when you play it.
the engraving on the cymbal
"Royal Harmonie" - orchestra
"Aalst" - place in Begium
"Gift from Mr. Victor Keppens" - self explanatory
"1911" - for completeness
Oh wow, I didn't read the engraving, but I am actually in this city right now! (Aalst)
I love the sound the rivets make! Sounds like sparkling water made out of metal.
That's one of my favorites ride sounds. Only if it was darker, it add a shine to the sound that's really hard to replicate
To me it sounds like the snare of cymbals.
that's a lovely way of describing it!
Maybe I'm just a simple man, but that rivet sizzle sounds fantastic.
Sizzled like a good steak!
I totally agree! I wonder what a more modern cymbal would sound like with rivets, cuz I don't think I've ever seen one.
I get why some people don't like them so much in rides anymore, but I have rivets in my bottom hi hat and I kind of swear by it honestly. That little sizzle in the quieter parts of songs really goes.
I absolutely loved the one he said was ruined by the rivulets.
Like, I'd play to some Armored Core on PS1 type beats with that.
I honestly like it. I don't think it would fit with most music, but it has such a unique sound to it
NOT boring time.
I recently found out that I've been beating on a 13" thin crash from the late 40's for about 25 years. I've been using it as part of a stack since I had to rig together a mount to fit the small hole.
Is it cracked or whatnot, or is it still in good nick?
@@HarrisonBarclay-yr1zb It's still solid with no bites.
A neighbor had an 18 inch cymbal stamped "Zildjian Constantinople" on it. It was SO trashy sounding, and dark. Super low pitched. The edge had dents in them, but no cracks. It was so dirty there was no way to clean it and make it shiny. My neighbor moved to Finland and left me that cymbal and an 18 inch floor tom.
I had no idea what I had, and just wanted to play hard rock. So I was only into Bright cutting cymbals, like a Sabian HH Rock Crash, or Zildjian Ping Ride.
When I gave up on drumming to go travel the world I sold it all. Somebody scored big.
Oof bro
Oh don’t worry, in the 70’s Zildjian made their first very shiny/heavy hard rock cymbals and called them “A Zildjian Constantinople”. They weren’t amazing and they don’t go for particularly much if it soothes your mind 😂
@@the.drum.thing. As I get back into drumming I've found I my ears handle bright cymbals anymore, at least not without hearing protection.
A short while back Zildjian had a sale of 16 and 18 inch A series Medium thins (40% off list) so I picked them up. They'd have been perfect when I was a kid, but now they are physically painful to play if I don't have my custom molded hearing protection in. How my hearing survived being a teenager without any hearing protection I will never know
As I look at transitioning from E-Drums (with volume knobs) to acoustics I'm pretty much only looking at darker cymbals these days.
Howly, that engraved text says its a gift to the royal harmonic orchestra of aalst, a city in belgium. How did it end up all the way on the other side of the planet 😂
My eyebrows went up about 2km high when I read it. I am in this city right now.
Is that the one that was found online? Sadly I don't think that is the one Wade Owns
Syncronise your watches to Boring Standard Time
We already have BST though? /j
I actually love that one's sound. It doesn't shimmer. But it sizzles. Those little rivets just dancing around long after the hit look magical.
I was at the Zildjian 400th anniversary event in London. Converted me from Meinl to Zildjy
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@@elcrackengaitos_bs4804 Couldn't agree more
@@elcrackengaitos_bs4804 egend*
@@elcrackengaitos_bs4804 ok
Were the founders present?
7:08 It's like the rivets are making so many different frequencies that it always punches through the music and it's always audible. That's so cool!
with the jazz piece, it sounded what falling sparkles must sound like. just constant glitter-y feeling.
THIS IS WHAT DRUM THING NEEDS TO BE
not like every single video, but like a cymbol showcase with some history, and some jammin with it, and i love how you slipped in the comparison symbol
0:27 Been a long time gone since old Constantinople.
Why did Constantinople get the works?
@@icebergmm People just liked it better that way
@@icebergmm That's nobody's business but the Turks.
That’s an old shiny odd noisy flying disk you got there mate
Honestly, this cymbal would make a fucking awesome sizzle ride. It's so thick, and rich and with the rivets it just had a really cool jazz sound.
In a few years he’s either gonna make a 3 hour documentary about drum history or write a book, I can just hear the passion in his voice
The documentary will just be clips from this channel interspersed with Frank sleeping on different drum kits.
it's depression song...
BUT IT'S LEWIS HAMILTON BOXING
The instant blast beat a couple of seconds into the song got me lmao
@@possibly8180 that's a d beat m8
I think that has to be the sparkliest sounding cymbal I've ever heard
Not a lot of volume, but what an awesome sound. Like a breeze through a warehouse filled with pins suspended on strings.
hard to believe that something as mundane as a cymbal has such a deep and rich history.
5:41
"What I'm gonna do with this next song is showcase the power I have as a drummer. The song is going to start off as it's meant to be as a down tempo depressed song. But midway through I'm going to change to rock/metal while the song itself is going to remain the same, including Lewis Hamilton boxing here.
The change will be subtle. - S U B T L E- "
(AN: I know little about music myself so please dont hate on me if I've got the music styles wrong. _I'm learnding_ )
Nah you are totally right, I'd say it might be blackened, but it's definitely supposed to be metallica
I really like the shimmery sound of that cymbal. Like, sure, it’s not the loudest, and the rivets make it have a sound profile that won’t fit everything, but it’s SPARKLY and I love that sound.
I don't play drums (i play guitar) but your drum channel is a great way of understanding the instrument better! Keep it up
The scream of primal rage makes the Cymbal Toss music fit even better.
Playing a blast beat on a museum piece is the kind of content I'm here for XD
Hear me out: You should try to recreate the cover of the cymbal book with all the cymbals they used
Thats older than my old man.
Older than my old man's old man's old man
Just about as old as my old man's old man. But we can't reliably date this thing, so maybe older!
That’s older than my old man’s old man
It's so delightfully sparkly and soft. I love how the little rivets dance too.
Not a drummer but I love how fizzy and splashy it is. Like I was thirsty before I heard it and now I'm fine.
Man, I wish those rivets made a comeback! I'm not very well versed in drums (I prefer my sax lol), but I love the effect of the rivets. Gives it this calm feel, kinda like the patter of rain. I think it would sound nice in jazz, or some other chill music. Just with the cymbal was louder lmao.
Wade says boring time but for me i love all his channels, i love cars, i play drums, i love music and technology, every channel is awesome
Wait. He has other channels?!
Hadn't seen riveted cymbals before today; but I really like how they affect the sound, and how they cause it to go quiet quicker. Certainly shouldn't be on every cymbal, but certainly useful!
The dark ride and the old boy sound so good going back and forth between them. They really complement each other
Wanna know how deep that "boring time" actually went?
The passages in that book are EXACTLY the same kind of thing in the medical college admission test (mcat, generally considered the hardest professional exam in the US) in a section called "critical analysis and reasoning". Ive seen so many passages phrased exactly like that one.
Esoteric history passages are going to give me ptsd after this stupid exam is over.
0:37 fun fact it's dutch and says "Koninklijke Harmonie Aalst Geschenk van M Victor Keppens 1911" which means "Royal Concert Band Aalst Gift from M Victor Keppens 1911". I find it really interesting how some words are the same in English and in Dutch. For instance, you can translate "1911" almost exactly one on one, although you lose a bit of nuance in some contexts so you do have to be careful.
Anyway Aalst is a city in Belgium so it's technically not even dutch but Flemish
He really said to that zildjan light, "If you're gonna go out, you go out on my terms."
I wouldn’t be suprised if some company in the future figured out a way to make future cymbals only work if you have an active subscription
The jazz and bossa sound gorgeous on both cymbals. The second song makes me hear a difference like the riveted one sounds bright then fades after. Plus the guitar riff reminds me of Makoto Kawamoto's 1/2.
I’ve got a little soft spot for sizzle cymbals. I think it sounds great in smooth jazz, if done right.
Boring time is exciting time for me
idk i like the sound the cymbals make with the rivets in them! i can see how they may not produce a great effect for certain types of music, but i think it gives it character!
great vids as always m8
I got so used to the sound of your Zildjian K-Custom Dark Ride by watching your videos.
It has simply become the standard ride cymbal in my head and it sounds kinda comforting, while any other ride sounds odd.
I listen to metal and stuff
but this is the only place I really get to listen to different cymbals and drums and learn stuff about them.
Which I really like, I love your content, thank you so much!
Wait.... I actually love that sound. I may need to slither around and find myself one of these.
STOP CALLING THE MOST EXCITING PARTS "BORING TIME"
Online listings with vague titles can be a goldmine! I once found a mint condition boxed N64 for ten euro, listed only as ‘video game’. It was collection only and the seller lived around three hours away from me, so I drove to get it because a bit of a drive is worth that kind of deal. When I met the woman she said she thinks it was meant as a gift for someone, at some stage, but ended up in her attic.
need to type this sorry in advance
Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Tuuuuuurks
But why did Constantinople get the works?
@@captainnurbles9169 That's nobody's business but the Turks
TMBG MENTIONED
ISTANBUL
it may be a lil dainty, and a lil muted due to the rivets, but I think that classic Zildjian sounds beautiful as an accompaniment to any jazz number
Those rivets are absolutely brilliant sounding. I love it. Almost a hybrid of using a brush and stick at the same time.
Don’t know what I was expecting going into this, but dunking on Berlioz was not in my top ten things I expected from a Drum Thing vid.
I’m here for it though. Up yours Berlioz, this is why people recognize Bizet more than you!
I really like that you compared it to the K Dark Ride after the stream. I was worried that these more analytical parts and comparisons would get lost with the switch to stream but this combination of the "old" drum thing style and the energetic stream parts is great!
You’ve talked about this cymbal several times and never in my life did I ever consider that those rivets weren’t solidly attached to the cymbal. I always assumed they were on there to tune the sound
Im enjoying frequent uploads so much; truly the only "gear" content i watch.
Sizzle. My first Drum Instructor had a 20 in Zildjian Sizzle ride from the 50s
Now I've got Istanbul (Not Constantinople) covered by They Might Be Giants going through my head ("Istanbul (Not Constantinople)" is a 1953 novelty song, with lyrics by Jimmy Kennedy and music by Nat Simon.)
so you're telling me that istanbul was constantinople? and that its now istanbul, and not constantinople?
been a long time gone!
my goodness the production quality is amazing in this one wade!
damn this video just took me down the craziest rabbit hole, because back in high school i traded a bass guitar for a couple cymbals and stands, and one of the cymbals was this heavy (what i assumed to be) hi-hat top or bottom with no symbols or branding that i could see, so i used it as a ride bell /crash ever since. this video made me go clean it off and give it a close look to confirm that it is 100% the same type of cymbal in this video. although im assuming its not quite as old as the one you have since it says "made in USA", its 100% a zildjian 14" crash (was super hard to read but can make out the "ASH" of the wording) with the old engraved logo made of the same bronze and hammered in the same fashion, so maybe a replica piece of an early 1900s model or a legitimate piece of history. regardless im so glad i stumbled on this vid, cheers from alaska!
Loved the comparison bit where you meshed them together, I was groovin.
Boring time is great!
I also forget that Wade is genuinely a very talented drummer
6:58 that intro had me expecting Conga! by Gloria Estefan and Miami Sound Machine and i have been Bamboozled
do you know what it actually was?
EDIT: I found it it was Cacophonous by Martin Kelm
Licence free music be like that.
There’s something so jovial about this one. Like the retired guy working at the ice cream parlor just because he wants to.
I’m sensing that you’re gradually turning into an Aussie Jeff Lynne with the hair, headphones, and beard
it's funny how the rivets can make or break a cymbal, and for whatever reasons my mind is now filled with thoughts of an L Zildjian completely filled with them
It reminds me a lot of the cymbals that Jack Wilson's quartet used for a few albums. With the right kind of riveted cymbal they can ride out forever, and they have a really distinct sound to them in recordings
Ottoman military anthem is called "mehter marşı" and what we know as mehter is not original one used in ottoman. Its a remake.
The Cymbal thing, I'm all for it
oh my god its the person from place!
I love the sound of a good sizzle crash. On Dear Prudence by the Beatles, you can hear a sizzle crash at the end of the choruses and it sounds beautiful.
Quite literally the oldest of ol' mates
I woulda missed a good portion of those bell shots of the 13"
You've got some precision on ya there mate.
I love the rivets on this cymbal. And honestly a special drum set up with both this and a normal ride would be awesome to improvise with for both flavors and for different parts of a song.
I adore the fact that Wade has channels for most of my special interests
It might be quiet but it's such a pleasent 'warm' sound.
I would totally use that on a jazz gig. Nice sound!
I'm not that into this sorta stuff, but i still watch it, purely because of Wade's fantastic energy. Love your work!
I love that old cymbal... but then you put that K Dark Ride up for comparison and I just start smiling, man. What a great cymbal and a sign of how far we've come.
6:58 Do the Zildjians do the Conga?
"Why didn't anybody tell me tasting things tasted so good?!"
The music the windows the Frank the atmosphere. You are truly entertaining 😊 And what a cool fact, such an old instrument company. Have a nice day my man 😎
You can bore me to death and I will still LIVE for this content.
I have a set of 1950s Zildjians I thought were old, at 71 years old. This is awesome!
I don't know why, but I love the rattle of the rivets so bloody much.
That cymbal sounds heavenly with the rivets! I can see those making a small comeback in jazz, or some other genres for that slightly rustic sound (Industrial anyone?)
It's almost like a snare cymbal with the rivets rattling along. An interesting sound, to be sure.
BRO I LOVE IT FOR JAZZ
It just LIGHTS UP a track
Compared to that bright, cheerful little guy, that Dark Ride sure lives up to its name. The first time you went back to it from the antique I was actually kinda shocked.
I gotta say, despite them being VERY different cymbals, they both work very well!!!
The old symbol sounds great, if a bit quiet. That being said, I will never, EVER get over the amazing sound of the dark ride. So good.
That cymbal gives some serious Steely Dan vibes, but like in a Purdy had fun for the first time ever kind of way
>they don't make them this way anymore and there is a reason why
Why is that? The sound seems to speak for itself. It is subtle and beautiful. Why do they not make them like this anymore?
boring time made me learn so much about cymbals, and i love it! i like the last scream, it was just perfect
Made good sonic sense with the riding pattern, but that bell… almost nonexistent. Quiet “jazzy” oddity
This cymbal is truly 'riviting'.... I'll see myself out.
Honestly, I love the way the rivets sound. Might have get a riveted cymbal for my kit 👀
I love the timbre of it, it's just a travesty how little sustain it has thanks to the rivets.
it's unironically an incredible ride cymbal
I think it sounds brilliant.
I love the sound of that. With all the effects cymbals and stacks, this is a lovely color that needs to come back. It's like a sizzle crash-splash hybrid
I thought it was nuts how well it blended in with the rest of the kit the first time you played it however
WHEN THE ANCIENT CYMBAL WORKED WITH LEGALLY DISTINCT FROM BUT RESEMBLES CONGA AND KINDA SOUNDED WEIRD AND OUT OF PLACE IN THE TRAD JAZZ, INSANITY