How to build a ribbon burner forge
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2022
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Today we'll be showing how to build a new forge and ribbon burner! This will be a very efficient and powerful forge.
Big thanks to Brian Housewert from www.housemade.us for all his help!
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Are there any parts of this build you have questions about? Big thanks to Brian Housewert from Housemade.us for his help!
Did you ever get the 3d part from Brian? If so did he happen upload it to Thingaverse?
@@yax75 He did send it to me and it works amazingly well. It screws into the 2" pipe so it's a solid fit. I have no idea if he uploaded it anywhere. Msg him on IG and ask.
Great explanation on the forge and burner. How deep is the casting for the burner, looks about 4 inches plus 1.5" inside the burner but I didn't hear the actual size.. thanks you
@@ken5439 the burner was about 3” of refractory below the burner and an inch inside. It really depends on your forge wall thickness. That’s why I did the forge casting first. 👍
Can you make refractory cement?? It's hard to find in Australia and is really expensive at the hardware store.
the side-blown ribbon burner with swirling flame makes the most sense to me. this has inspired me. thank you for sharing your build process.
I’m glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching
I really like the sacrificial floor concept. Great forge, I am looking forward to the Damascus projects
Thanks for taking a look, Greg!
If you don't have space for cast bricks(you can make tinner ones yourself for about $1/lb) you can put a stainless cookie sheet on it to stop any damage from slag and flux drips.
I love how your work table slides into place, good idea!
Hi everybody! I'm hobby bladesmith from Hungary (Budapest) who is just thinking to build a gas forge to replace my charcoal burning one. My biggest problem has been the even heat distribution on the blade especially at the end of forging when the blade getting to be long. Thanks to this great Man who was keen to share his knowledge I found super solution that solves the problem. This ribbon burner is brilliantly simple and logical. Thank You Sir and keep up the great job!
I’m glad the video was helpful. The ribbon burner is definitely the way to go! 👍. Thanks for watching
Looking forward to seeing this in action.Great build
You’ll see it in some videos soon! Some very cool builds coming up.
That’s was an awesome build. I really like how the ribbon burner spreads the heat out across the length of the forge. My forced air has a hot spot. I also love the fire brick floor and plan to try that on my next reline. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and all the time you spend on these videos.
I’m glad you got something from the video. Thanks for watching, Eddy!
Awesome upgrade Denis. Thanks for sharing your thoughts process in the design.
Thanks for checking it out, Brooks!
Another great video. Can’t wait to see the works of art that come out of that forge.
Stay tuned! Some really stellar builds coming very soon!
On my to do list! Great video as always and thanks for sharing the good and the bad that goes into making such projects.
Thanks for checking it out. I'm really happy with it.
Far and away the best tutorial I've seen on the subject.
Thanks for taking a look, Nick!
Really amazing work...great to watch!
Thanks for following along. 👍
About time you get this out Dennis! In all serious great video! Looks like it turned it great. Thanks for sharing! Enjoy the rest of your weekend.
Thanks, Stephen! It turned out better than imagined.
Nicely demonstrated Denis. Amazing design
Thanks for watching, Dan!
Wow that forge runs beautifully, awesome that you got the swirl you wanted!
Yes, it works better than I expected. Thanks for watching
That looks awesome. Well done.
Thanks for watching, Len!
Very good, there's a lot of things like the valve placements I was curious about and this outlines them well
Thanks for checking it out, Kris!
Man I like the height! Doors are sweet too!
Thanks, James! I’m looking forward to doing some forge welding soon!
Really nice forge! Im really excited because me and my dad is also building a forge. And i really enjoy your knife making voice over they give me motivation to go out to shop.
I’m happy to motivate you! Thanks for watching!
I have wqatched about 10-12 of your videos so far and I am really appreciative of the knowledge you share. This video on the forge is quite timely as I was drawing up dimensions for a forge yesterday and the placement of my ribbon burner would not have worked as intended.
I’m glad you find them helpful, Dave. Thanks for watching
hi Tyrell - thanks for sharing - this is the best forge system - more efficient and rational, spends less gaz and have very high temperatures - -much more we need. I made the mine with some alterations - I projected a double chamber burner, so that, while forging single blades I only use one chamber. When forging long blades or need more temperatures - fire both chambers...it works perfectly.
Regards from Brazil
A double chamber is good idea if it doesn't suck too much heat when its not on. Thanks for watching, Marcio.
Great build! I've been thinking about rebuilding my blast furnace, so I really appreciate your video! Your design is great. Love the ribbon burner. More complicated than anything I've built to-date, so gives me a lot to think about.
Man, that burner puts out some serious heat. Kasto-o-lite 30 was definitely a good choice for refractory. Lol.
It’s a beast for sure! Thanks for watching
Lovin the new forge!
It's been a great forge so far. Thanks for watching, Dave.
Beautiful build!
Thanks for watching!
Great looking forge, love the design. I am going to have to set myself up a ribbon burner forge as well. Thanks
They are certainly a great option for even heat distribution. Thanks for watching.
A G.I. Joe crematorium. I like the idea of the solenoid shutoff. I think that's an upgrade worth adding to my DIY ribbon burner. Thanks for showing your take on design and fabrication concisely. 👍
The solenoid is a good safety measure in case you ever lose power. Though if your fan dies it probably won’t help you. Thanks for watching, James!
Thanks Denis!!! You just made it way easier for me to build mine…. I think I even have the same pipe I salvaged from work…👍👍👍👍
That’s great, I’m happy it helped. 👍
Love your work!
Thank you! Cheers!
Looks like a great build. Nice swirl
Thanks for checking out the build, Stephen. I’m looking forward to doing some Damascus soon!
Thank you for including the fuel/air assembly. That's the part of the build I haven't been able to find anywhere else.
I’m glad it was helpful. Thanks for watching
Extremely well done, per your usual standard
Thanks for checking out this forge build, Henry!
That thing is Awesome!!
Thanks for checking it out, Phillip!
Damn this came out very nice. Job well done!
Thanks, Armen! I’m really happy with it.
Great video - Thank you. I am certainly going to give this a try. Cheers
It’s an easy build technically, it just takes time. Thanks for watching
Wow that looks so awesome. Man I camt wait to see what you make using this beast!!!!!!
Checkout last Thursday’s Triple-T where I started the Intermediate Build Series. It was the debut. 👍
This helped me get into forging thank you very much !
I’m glad it helped! Thanks for watching!
Wow, what a powerful setup! I guess I have to try something like this in the future...
It turned out really well, better than I expected! 👍
awesome build thanks for all the tips denis cant wait to see it in action i have to finish my ribbon burner forge need to make the pluming and get 1 of those fans your using
That’s all thanks to Brian Housewert’s suggestion on the blower. It’s more power than I need but that’s cool. 👍
Cool design.
Awesome vid👍🏻
Thanks for taking a look!
Nice build. I like both doors setup 👍
Thanks for checking it out, Robert!
Really sweet. Good job.....
Thanks for checking it out!
You are going to really like this style forge. I built mine based on a pattern from Wyvern Industries over 20 years ago where the burner comes in from the side and creates a swirling flame. Long before ribbon burners though, so this is great upgrade.
Thanks for checking it out, James. I’m looking forward to welding up some Damascus soon!
I’m lying in bed with covid watching your build. I hope it looks easier once I’m feeling better. Right now crossing the hall to the bathroom looks difficult! I really like the swirl effect!
It's actually a pretty easy build. Sorry to hear you've got the 'Rona. I hope you feel better soon and all this makes more sense. 😜
Great build.
Thanks for watching! I couldn't help but notice your name says "Muriel Livermore". Do you live in Livermore, CA by chance?
Awesome build. Glad you went into the psi vs flow commentary. Soo many people look at the psi and state they are using less gas based on that. You can get flow meters if you want to add that.
It certainly is an area people (including myself in the past) have been confused about. I did look up flow meters and for propane they are quite expensive. Thanks for watching
Damn. Great job.
Paul
Thanks for watching, Paul!
Looks good brotha! I’m looking forward to seeing your first forge weld in it!
That will be soon! Thanks for the material for this build!
@@TyrellKnifeworks you’re welcome! One of these days I’ll get around to building mine.
estoy mirando este video en repeticion una y otra vez, gracias maestro!
¡Gracias por seguir el canal!
Best forge ever!
Thanks for watching, Jamie!
Sweet forge. I ordered mine off amazon. Ill build my next one from scratch though thats for sure.
Yeah, making one is the way to go!
Great video. I learned a ton !
Thanks for checking it out, Benjamin!
Nice work!
Thanks for taking a look!
Amazing job making the forge 🥳😎 I got myself a devil forge and it’s very nice with three burners on the top of the body of the forge and it will get the steel hot to a yellow heat and I’ve not tried to forge weld with it yet but I can try some cable and see how I get on 👍😊
The problem with the devil forge is that the burners are too far apart and there's a cold spot in the center. You might get it up to forge welding temps but you'll probably go through a lot of gas since its a venturi and there's not much insulation in those. Certainly great for the price though. Thanks for watching, Robert.
Nice build 🔥
Thanks for watching!
Just before you said you love the swirling action I was looking at it thinking to myself holy s*** that looks great
It turned out better than I expected. 👍
If you ever have to do this again one trick I tried was throwing the sono tube in the bathtub with about 2-3 of hot water. Once it's soaked in enough to be flexible you can either hang the tube with a wire and let brick weigh the bottom to form as it dries or you can be impatient like me and clamp brick vertical while a propane space heater dries it out-but I found this saved me the hassle of measuring and cutting wood/sonotube and saved time and materials. If you let it get good n soggy it clamps to form perfectly and dries just as hard as it was store bought. Some brands of sonotube may delaminate in the water but a simple wrap in landscaping twine or anything really fixes this. Worked great for me. Cheers 🍻
That’s a great idea! I’ll try that next time. Thanks for watching.
I'm 6'3"... My forge sits on an old rolling TV stand (remember those from school? - yeah, I just aged myself)... So yeah, I get it. So nice to be able to look straight into the forge, rather than bent over. Great build! You've got me thinking now for when it's time for a forge upgrade.
It sure is great having it at eye level! Thanks for watching!
I will be pretty much doing this exact build when I start mine. Thanks for making the video and I'll probably be picking your brain when I start.
Sure, let me know what questions you have. 👍
Bad ass skills sir. Amazing
Thank you! I appreciate that.
Totally steeling this and your ribbon burner design!!! You’re awesome man!!!
Steel away! Thanks for taking a look!
Great forge I (expletive) love it
Thanks for checking out this build, Tony!
Awesome build, busy building something similar, biggest problem for me is the blower, but think I might get the one you showed through Amazon 👍👍
It’s a great blower and cheap! You do need a cone to resize it down to the pipe, but it has more power than I need. Thanks for checking out the build, Jacques!
When you opened it up full, I was waiting for you to ask ATC for permission to taxi to runway 28L !! 😮
Awesome build!!
Haha...yeah its a jet for sure! Thanks for watching
That is a beautiful thing
Thanks for watching!
Nice job my Forge friend
Thanks for checking out the build, Barry
Great build Denis! So many useful tips! I am very OCD, so I love your attention to detail. The improvements that you made from the previous forge, make a lot of sense, and will definitely pay off! Thanks for sharing my brother! 💯😎👍🏻🔨🔥🗡️
Thanks for following along, Bob!
Right on!!🔥👌🏻
It works better than I imagined it would!
Wow...nice work.
Thanks for checking out the build, Jeffrey!
@@TyrellKnifeworks how heavy was to lift onto its stand?
Not that bad. I did it myself with no help. I wouldn’t want to do it often, but certainly movable.
Hot damn! I'll definitely switch to a ribbon burner with my next forge. Two extra style points for the swirl and for the #wfijoke 🤣
Great build, Denis!
It turned out even better than I hoped! Thanks for checking it out, Sven!
Nice build ive been trying to make something similar to this but being 14 ive been struggling to get the materials and things hopefully I can get it done soon
Just take your time and get the right stuff. Particularly the right refractory. Do NOT try the stuff from Home Depot or your hardware store. Get the kast-o-lite 30.
Man, I have everything I need to builder a Venturi burner forge but I keep seeing these ribbon burner forges! Now I’m left thinking I should not waste the refactory and Kaowool on a Venturi system, if I’m going to end up wanting to upgrade to the Ribbon system… hmmm. Thanks for the video! I’m going to have to check out your patreon, you keep posting top notch videos! The new shop tour was great, gave me some inspiration for my own shop organization.
I would definitely say to forget the Venturi build. They take more fuel, are louder and not as efficient. The ribbon burners are easier to build, you have more control (because you can adjust both the gas and the air separately) and are better to forge weld with. Thanks for watching, Tyler!
Wow! REALLY WELL DONE and super instructive -- Thanks! I will be making a little smaller version right away, probably about 75% of these component dimensions (and fewer but same straw size) and maybe about half the blower power, kind of correcting for the "square-cube law." This is pretty doggone GREAT!
I’m glad the build was helpful! Reach out if you have questions when you build yours. 👍. Thanks for watching
@@TyrellKnifeworks Well sure enough, I do have a question you might help me with.
Within the square profile of the tubing used, what would you say is a good general proportion of the tube to occupy with the bent baffle, then the empty space, then the refractory material? You did mention this, but would 1/3 (or a little more) at the top inlet side and baffle, then 1/3 empty space, then 1/3 refractory space inside the tubing. I assume that the refractory OUTSIDE the tube is just whatever is reasonable, not so thick as to cause a bunch of turbulence --- maybe 1-1/2 or 2 inches? This is a SUPER video, but I just don't want to do it over again because of an avoidable mistake. Your guesses are going to be better than mine. Thanks!
As you may have guessed, I'm making a little smaller burner and using either 2 or 2-1/2 inch (1/8 wall) square tubing and likely a smaller air/gas supply pipe, so just want the proportions to be reasonable.
@@AerialLensVideo once you put the baffle in I would make it take up only 3/4” or so. Then just make sure you’re refractory is less than that. You really only need about 1/2 to 3/4” of refractory inside the tube. The amount of refractory outside is just dependent on the thickness of your forge walls. Make sense?
@@TyrellKnifeworks Completely! Thank you so much, Sir.
NICE!!!
8:17 "It is not good for you" Slight understatement there.
Thanks for checking out this build, Raymond.
That's a great build. a pid controller would be a great future upgrade.
Yeah, but I don’t really need accuracy in the forge since I have a separate heat treating oven. Thanks for watching.
I was worried at first about the swirl. But, when you turned it up I was like, " yeah baby " LOL
It turned out way more powerful than I expected! 👍
Thank you for putting this video together. Building your version right now. Curious, how heavy is the cylinder/refractory portion without the burner and such? Do you know the max heat that the burner produces? TIA.
For mine, since it’s 3/8” thick it’s REALLY heavy, but it was gifted to me do I used it. With the refractory it’s easily around 100 lbs or so. I can easily push the forge up past 2300F and still have room to higher but that’s as far as I’ve pushed it. Thanks for watching.
Wow that was awesome hard work on the ribbon burner, you could just drill a light weight fire brick. Went the drill way myself, lasted 3 years so far.
They typically don’t last and aren’t as tough as castable refractory. You’ve been lucky. Thanks for watching.
Two Words for you. "Cutting Torch"!! Besides in black or blade smithing they come in very handy. I run mine on propane with a special 2 piece tip.
I have a cutting torch, but then I have to deal with the ragged edge and grind it anyway. Thanks for watching, Jeremy.
Nice build and I have an idea for your forge. Since I have never used one it may not be so good. I was thinking there at the end of the video that if you welded a rod to the center of each door that is about 12 inches long. Then attached a wood handle to the end of each rod it would make handling the hot doors much safer. Also the rods sticking out would have a tendency to push the doors tighter against the forge helping them seal better. Cheers...
Some guys use the handle but I always have tongs in my hand so that’s more convenient. Thanks for watching.
Pulling out those straws! Very satisfying. Great work! Looking forward to more videos!
Thanks for checking it out, Akim!
I'm not as experienced with air systems, but in liquid systems, gate valves aren't great for throttling flow, they're better suited for on/off (or flow/no flow) applications. It's been a few years since I took the classes, but I believe they get around 80-90% of full flow when they're around 10% open (again, talking about liquid here). I don't know if the same holds for a gas system, but it might mess with the air/gas mixture.
With air they are pretty proportional to amount it’s open. You can see it as the gate opens/closes that the flow increases/decreases evenly. Thanks for watching.
Love the build. Mine is very similar in design and works beautifully thanks to your help. You spoke about the backpressure psi. I'm curious what yours would be set at for forge welding in this and do you open your air valve fully? Thanks
I run at 11 psi to forge weld and that’s with a 3/16” orifice. I still have room on the fan to go higher. Thanks for watching.
Thanks mate
Thx!!
Thanks for watching!
You're a inspiration for the craft and love watching all your videos. I'm planning on getting started! I've just finished up my Revolution Grinder from Brian House and am now on to building this forge:)
My question is: how many pounds of refractory did you use? Will 55lbs be enough for a 16"x18" in your opinion?
Thank you for all you do and the information, big fan from Alberta Canada 🇨🇦
It's great to hear from fellow Canadians, Jordan! I think I used about 2/3rd's of a 55 lbs bag. Note, I used a different refractor for the burner so don't count that. Thanks for following the channel!
Pretty sure this is the first ribbon burner video ive seen after months of looking that says anything about the CFM of the blower.
Yeah, you want around 400 cfm. That’s actually too much for this forge but that’s why you have a gate valve. Better too much than not enough. Thanks for watching
Mr. Tyrell, I get so much out of your videos. I'd like to say thank you for sharing all this info with me and the community. I'm currently building this forge and just cut and screwed the 8" sono tube to a 4.5" wide piece of scrap wood as you show here at 5:25. I'm wondering why my form is 11+" high lol. Did you cut out a 4.5 inch section of the tube? How tall is your forge interior? Thanks again and keep making videos!
Yes, I did cut a portion of the tube at the bottom so the hole was about 9” tall. Thanks for watching.
Awesome build. You need to name it !
The Tyrell-o-saurus , maybe?
Yeah true, I should name it. I already have Elvis Press-ley, maybe this is the hunka hunka burnin love. 🤣🤣
awesome build ! 👍 I used crayons on the burner and it took a while to get the stink out LOL
Yeah, not a fan of the crayon method. You gotta drill them out and it makes a mess.
Fantastic video, thank you for creating it! I'm considering buying a small forge to setup in garage. How hot does the inside of your garage get when you work your forge? Does it cause any damage to your drywall or contents in your garage? Thank you in advance!
Right above the forge it’s about 150F when I’m forge welding. About 8’ away it’s 125F. No damage at all to the garage or drywall. Make sure your sprinkler heads are rated for 200F though (green stems in the US mean 200F). My forge is also way more powerful than any small forge you’ll buy online. Thanks for watching, James.
I like idea of having the heat swirling as I'm sure this would produce a much more consistent heat of your material you are working on. I am wondering if spot where there burner hits the refactory will deteriorate quicker over time. Having used it now for six months are you seeing any excessive wear in that particular area?
There’s no deterioration at all. The kastolite is rated to 3000 degrees and this probably tops out around 2500F in the hottest areas. This is a very common design too. Thanks for watching
Think sourdough bread when mixing refractory, good tip!
Yeah, maybe a bit thinner than that though. Thanks for watching
Would have loved to see how good it works on heating billets
You’ll see soon enough, James. Stay tuned!
Those inline fans can be safely controlled by a rheostat (fan speed controller). I'm not sure whether back pressure on the fan motor from limiting air flow with a valve will have any ill effect on the life of the motor or not, but using a dial may prove more precise when calibrating the air/fuel mixture. Maybe its overkill, but as an old friend once said, "if its worth building, it's worth over building." Also, craigslist might be a good place to find those fans for cheap. The smallest one that I'm aware of is 4". If you go that route, include key words like: hydroponics, or indoor growing, as these fans are commonly used for environmental control when growing cannabis indoors.
The fan I went with was $70. It’s more powerful than I need and it works great. Even if it dies in a year or two, it was $70. 🤷♂️
How did you close the back end of the forge? Very nice build!!
There’s a hanging door on the back. It hangs has notches that hang on a bar so you can raise it lower it. Thanks for watching.
Great video, as always. Starting my build, but had a question. With your 13" burner, you had a 2" intake. If my burner is shorter would I reduce the size of my intake as well?
Thanks
I would not reduce the pipe. You will have a gate valve anyway so better to have more flow than you need and just restrict it. Thanks for watching.
I can't unsee the mailbox! 😂 bitchin forge! Love the ignition too 😁
Ha, yeah I kept thinking of a mailbox when I did the form for the opening!
17:00. Is that a Deadpool coffee mug? I don't even drink coffee but I want that mug
It sure is, I have Deadpool everything, shirts, socks, mugs, underwear. 🤣
@@TyrellKnifeworks lol, I love I dude!
Awesome build Denis. I'm looking to build one about the same size. How much dry refractory did you use for it?
Cheers Toby
Hey Toby, I used about 25-30 lbs of kastolite on this one. Thanks for watching.
Love your channel, I was wondering if you would share with me where you get your stencils?
I get my stencils from IMG Electromark. Call them instead of email, they don’t answer email well. Thanks for watching, Jason.
@@TyrellKnifeworks Thank you sir.