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VW Audi EA888 Gen 1, 2, 3, 3B TSI TFSI Engine Problems Comparison Review 2008-2021
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🔥 Everything About EA888 Engine Family Generation 1, Generation 2, Generation 3 and 3B.
EA888 Gen 1, 2, 3, 3B with TSI and TFSI Engines from 2008 till 2021. EA888 Engine Review Video of Each Generation Engine. I Will Explain Each of The Generation, Show You How They Work, Discuss All EA888 Common Problems, EA888 Possible Engine Recalls, EA888 Test Drive and Run EA888 Comparison. EA888 is Petrol Engine (VW TSI / Audi TFSI) in VW Golf GTI, Golf R, Audi A3, Audi S3, Audi A4, Audi A5, Audi Q5, VW Passat, Skoda Octavia, Seat Leon and many More From 2008 Till Today.
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⏰ Timestamps
00:00 Intro
0:17 What is EA888 Engine?
1:33 EA888 Gen 1, 2, 3 Comparison
1:55 Engine CDNC EA888 Gen 1 Problems
3:02 EA888 2.0 TFSI Engine Recall
4:33 Engine CCZA EA888 Gen 2 Problems
5:30 Engine CJEB EA888 Gen 3 Problems
7:29 EA888 Gen 1, 2, 3 Engine Sound
9:50 EA888 Gen 1, 2, 3 Driving Differences and Problems
16:29 EA113 Engine TSI TFSI
17:30 EA888 Gen 3B
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Nice i love it i learned alot bro real shit keep it up...
Appreciate that ..tc
This video is so underrated... Needs more views honestly... The effort is much appreciated.
Wow thank you
Finally someone who can tell me if I have a gen 1, 2 or 3 engine. So happy to see that I've got a gen 3 without those oil issues!
Not without, just lesser.
A gen 3 burning through 1 liter of oil in 6K miles seems like a lot to me.
@@jmt8706official It really isn't that much, it takes me like half a year to drive 6k miles, topping up 1L of oil every half year is not a problem for me.
Gen 1, owned since 2011. Tuned since day 1 and haven't had a single issue with oil consumption
@@itsonlyniles tell me more. did you change the pistons?
Lol at least Audi gave you a hint about the 4 piston rings with their logo.
😂
ROFL!
EA888 has a cast iron block, only the head and pistons are made from aluminum :)
Right Cast Iron GJL-250 !
OK I'm not loosing my mind 😂
Aluminium!
@@scottrobertson9417 cast iron for the block
Glad I found this channel 3 years late . I've stayed up late daily researching this engine every night contemplating my path. Purchased my 09 a4 Quattro with a caeb . almost 4 years ago . Was my first almost new car was my dream car. Put $4,000 down and first oil change car started smoking horribly wile running. 123,400 miles with the internet and friend I misdiagnosed it as a bad turbo . Purchased a $1800 non stock great turbo . Installed and problem still existed. Some lessons are expensive .
I think you skipped the actual 1st generation for the 2.0T (TFSI). I am driving an Audi A4 2.0 TFSi from 2005, engine code BGB, which is considered to be the first gen for FSI / TFSI engines (2004-2008). Which gets commonly mistaken for the 2nd gen, which is from 2008-2012 and the 2nd gen are notorious for their oil consumption and have been recognised as a factory fault and therefore a large percentage were factory recalled and fixed by Audi - as you well described :).
I would consider your title to be EA888 Gen 2, 3, 4, 4B.
Edit: Just found that the 2004-2008 FSI/TFSi engines were considered to be EA113, so you you have listed them correctly.
Once again, well described and I enjoyed watching.
Great video👍 I have a 2012 A4 TFSI EA888 gen 2. My engine isn’t mounted horizontal though🤔The excessive oil usage because of the faulty tensioners is definitely the Achilles heel other than that, 193,000 miles with virtually no issues.😃👍
I've watched this videos over the last 6 months 5 times now and every time I watch it I learn something new, its really informative, superb video mate .... Regards Andy
Love your work man! Glad someone has finally done a history of these engines, some really fun and cool cars have had them.
Thanks. It was long time coming to summarize it..Next we need to explore 3B generation deeper..
Thank you so much for the video, very imformative. But now I wonder what things the EA888 EVO4 has been improved compared to the Gen3.
Gen1 ea888 are BYT and Bzb engine from 2007 and they where Availble in audi a3 8p seat leon 1p and passat 1.8 tsi
Driving without seat belt is the real issue with these engines...
Great video! Keep going💥
Great review overall but you might need to correct this the smaller pistons were actually on later Gen1 CAE, CDN and CND and earlier Gen2 CC engines but earlier Gen1 CAB, CDH actually had larger pistons ..and seem to be holding better after 10+ years on that oil gulping issue.
For this reason most people actually generalise to saying the smaller pistons were more of a Gen2 issue than Gen1 or Gen3....
thanks for the input dave not everybody is so deep knowledgeable as you.
exactly
Good catch👍, my early Gen 1 burns less than 700ml between 7500km oil changes
... that was using Castrol Edge 5W40. My last 2 oil changes I switched to Castrol Edge 5W50 and the oil consumption went down to 400ml over the 7500 km oil change. Essentially using only one 5 litre bottle of Castrol Edge 5W50 between oil changes
Superb video my friend! Keep up the great work.
Great video, I really enjoyed it. Thanks very much. I don’t understand why my MY2016 Golf GTI Mk7 engine CHHA Generation 3 wasn’t mentioned though?
Peter
Great video , you are very informed and passionate about this ea888 engines . Well done, very useful info. Keep up the good work
Wicked documentary seems like you have allot of these engine.
Yes, I have build gen 1, 2 and fixed gen 3 seen on the video, this ea888 follows me everywhere :)
The first problem was that they didn't ask the japanese to make the chain drive
Turbo fuel stratified injection (TFSI) is a trademark of the Volkswagen Group for a type of forced-aspiration ("turbo") engine where the fuel is pressure-injected straight into the combustion chamber in such a way as to create a stratified charge. First generation TFSI engines was produce in 2004, for exaple: in audi A4 b7 engine code BPG BWT (162 kW or 220HP) or Golf Mk5 engine code BWE (147kW or 200HP)
I mean to dumb down what you said it’s almost a diesel style combustion style but for a gas car.. I have an A3 2019 2.0t and even I’m dreading if it will go wrong
EA888 Gen 2. Best engine for me.
A no nonsense video highlighting the important bits.. I'm gladish mines is gen3 but will be doing timing chain and water pump to be sure.. Its got audi fsh but hey they put rubbish oil in from asda.. Its 5 40 for me and the liqui/moly additive.. Had Honda type r b4 and even Honda recommended 5/40. And it used less between changes.. Great video.. 👌👍🏻
Based on what you said, it seems like the Gen3 engines are a lot more robust with the PCV / tensioner issues being resolved. Is there anything else to watch out for?
Yes, if you go to my playlist the one with Audi A4 b8.5 rebuild it has few videos on this Gen 3 - all issues dealt with that engine. We had oil leak, we had entire water pump failure. I am sure there is more but overall these are issues that we can all do ourselves unlike issues presented by Gen 1 where pushing it off the cliff sounds most suitable
great video mate i have the 14 tiguan with the cczb engine 155kw
The B stands for Buddack. It's the VW engineer that modified the Miller cycle to be more efficient and driveable. 3B and 3 couldn't be more different. One is Buddack cycle and the other is Otto cycle.
Mark 8s with the 2.0 TSI have the Evo4 engine. Slightly bigger turbo (not from IHI anymore). Cylinder block is cast iron on all EA888, one of the best traits of it.
Great video, would love to learn more about the Gen3 engines
Thank you
Iv got the gen 2 EA888 automatic Audi A3 2.0TFSI Quattro s line 3 door. 200bhp. I hope to take it up to 320 one day.
the CDAA also includes the VW cc 2012 (357) standard trim or also more trims
EA Sports it's in the 888game
Really good video! Thank you!
Wow thanks appreciate that
Thanks mate for the video ! I never was very good with engine sounds, i have a mk 6 GTI and i thought the chain noise was abnormal it's not loud it makes the same sound as yours but got me worried for nothing 🤣
I have a 63 Plate Audi s3 8v pfl which engine do I have need to find out which thermostat/water pump I need ??
In some places they are saying that the bad oil piston rings are an issue of the gen2 engines.
You said that is a gen1. Are you sure about that? THANKS!!!
The Golf 8 actually has the EA888 Gen 4
The greatest vids
Thank you
Good information mate, thanks for the effort 👍🏾
Thank you so much for your video! I've been looking for all this detail and you delivered! Thanks mate!
Great explanation! Super sexy too😊 Audi/ VW engines are getting better over time
Great video man. Amazing info and great job putting this together. Exactly what I was looking for in terms of info on engine issues
Im confused bro. I have an Audi q5 2014 2.0 tfsi. The engine cover looks like the third one you showed here the gen3, however the code is different than the ones you listed and it doesn’t have the dipstick to check oil.
Cool video man ,a lot of good info, just improve the audio
I have a 2011 A4 with 211hp which I’ve always known to be a Gen 2 but has the CDNC code.
It's actually gen 1 I've had two vehicles with this engine, one of which I had to swap entirely.
@@GetJobDoneofficial I dno if you're right bud, Gen 1 came without valve lift, VW used these in their early MK6 TSI platform, Audi used them in the 8P A3s too.
They had a non serviceable HPFP, larger crank mains, larger piston rings. Pretty sure they ran a KKK turbo too.
Gen 2 all had valve lift Audi called it (AVS). They designed the engine to have 'less friction' which meant smaller piston rings (that causes the oil scraper/control to carbon up which causes the consumption issue) they had a narrow slotted design, later moving to a longer slotted design with most aftermarket manufacturers moving to the old school helical design. Smaller main bearings. IHI turbo. Later engines had a staggerd link timing chain design to counter the stretch issue (which coupled with the bad tensioner latch design led to the jumping timing issue)
Big changes in the Gen 3 notable ones being integrated exhaust manifold with the later chocolate IHI turbo. The block design changed with narrower cylinder walls, pin bearing balance shafts and I think some run port injection? They also moved away from Bosch ECU to Siemens.
They all ran different injectors starting from HDEV 5.1 injectors to HDEV 5.2. ranging from 150bar to 200bar fuel pressures.
The rocker arms changed through the years too.
My information comes from working on a lot of these through the years, building a couple high hp motors. One being a CDNC from an early 2011 A4.
Good to see someone trying to publicise good info on these engines though, it's a bit of a dark art!
Great Job mate! You forgot the BZB :) I have one in my Skoda Octavia
I love my Ea888 in my 6 speed a4
We bought a 2014 VW EOS online. We are the third owner's. Vehicle had 39,500 miles and very frequent service. First thing I noticed is the exhaust pipe outlet is lined with a very think Soot. I think it's 1/16". The engine runs fine, no visible smoke and it's quiet but that Soot must mean very bad news. My 2002 SAAB 9-5 has 171K miles and the exhaust outlets have zero residue and are slightly rusting. The SAAB never burns any oil. We don't know if the EOS is burning oil yet? We only have put 700 miles on the car and are using Motul 5w-40. I would assume this Soot deposit means it's shot. Should we dump this EOS?
Hi great videos I work on Volkswagen and Audi as a independent shop and yes the generation one engines do consume a lot of oil but most transverse gen one engines don’t I too like better timing belt engines because there’s a specified time for the replacement and if you replace it on time it’s just fine but with a chain customer think that it’s a lifetime component and then they drive them until the chain jumps then it’s too late and a very expensive bill I really like the timing belt 1.4 L engines they seem to be very quiet and good on fuel this is here in Canada we first got them in the Jetta Hybrid and the Audi A3 e tron plug in hybrid and since 2016 in the base Jetta and now in the MK7 Jetta any Golf since 2018 . We are soon going to get the 1.5 litres engine in the New Taos with the VGT turbo that I’m a little scared of because of the stuck vanes on TDI cars but the gas engines runs a lot hotter and with less carbon it might be better.
How can u tell if it’s a transverse engine ?
FYI the MK6 Golf R uses still the Gen 1 motor. Only the GTI had the gen 2 motor. And as far the fuel consumption, Even tuned, Im getting over 25 mpg on average in my MK6. 30+ on on longer drives.
I’m choosing between i20n and 2020 polo gti
What’s your optioning please for less problems
Good info, but after what year they "fixes" the excessive oil consumption? 2012? 2014? what about VW?
I've Had the Gen 2 in MK6 GTI 6SPD that engine was beautiful and awesome many smiles per gallon (until the tensioner gave out cost me 3k fix bc machine shop) If you are getting a MK6 (gen 2) get after 2012 you'll be good or make sure it had it replaced if not low ball the dealer. Now I have Audi 8V Quattro gen 3 engine I love it very smooth and I have a DP and Boost controller it is like a spaceship lol I'm scared to feel what a tune would do lol!
Thanks for sharing. You have nice car, 8Vs are popular to power up, they are strong, they can take a lot and that's the reason why they are one of the most tuned vehicles in that range.
Mk6 gti only came with gen1 or fsi for ED35 or R
Really good detailed video dude. Cheers very much.
I have the same sound with gen 3 2013 , I would like to know where is the problem? And how to solve it
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Very thorough discussion. Thanks.
Thank you for your time.
Very informative video! Why ist the Gen3b so noisly? Thought the chain problems were solved. Are there any common issues left with this generation?
new generations will make new problems. new problems cam shaft and lubes
I'm thinking of purchasing an A5 2.0 tfis convertible 96000miles 2010 how would I know this engine is affected by the piston ring issue? Are all the engines problematic? Could I still have this engine under the North American issue to be fixed by Audi for free if it has an oil problem? Thank You?
ring them and see if the car had a recall for the problem. audi are theifs dig deeper with them
I live in USA and mine got fixed for free but the dealer asked me for proof the car was serviced at Audi, which it was, and be under 80,000 miles. I was at 75000. If you don’t have proof and/or are above 80000 miles, they do a prorated cost
Bought low miles full dealer history 2015 Audi A3 Quattro premium plus with 2.0 TFSI 6 months ago for my son . Started running rough a coup,e of weeks ago, TPC misfires. I replaced all plugs and coil packs , still misfire. Sent it to a shop with a trained Audi mechanic. 2 valves sticking , leaking likely bent , probably failure of tensioner . Even at $120 an hour low labor rate repaid with head off, new chain, tensioners, skim , replace valves it’s a $6000 bill for a 5 year old car with full history. Bought many audis .... don’t think I will be doing so again @audi
best just to get a second hand engine or head and replace.
@@mohammedrahmanrahman5024 yep we are looking for a low miles or refurb head , still going to be costly for a low miles full history car ... vorsprung and all that !
@@andy1taylor buying old and low mileage cars is risky, because they often hack odometer
Nice video, very good info. The Gen3 in your Audi is sounding very rough, I have the 'same engine' in my GTI (CHHA) and doesn't have such noises.
That camshaft must be suffering
Awesome video very informational 💯💯
The chain issue on the 3b is rare. Probably a lack of maintenance.
great explanations
I own a stage 2 a3 1.8tfsi gen3 ea888. No oil consumption problems yet. It has 85000km
That's the same millage as my gen3, same here, fingers crossed..
@@GetJobDoneofficial I think the engine will be reliable. But my clutch gave up a few days ago 😂 the mq250 transmission in the a3 is weak af
@@michaelzirch9045 Yes, but the good thing they are not too hard to work on. Let us know how job went.
Wait till you hit 140000kms that's when the show begins on most gen 3's
Hello! I have an audi a3 2010 1.8tfsi with a CDAA engine. I have the problem of oil consumption? when i accelerate my car and the turbo starts to work, it expels bluish white smoke
iv got a 2008 1.8tsfi A5 125000 miles on the clock and doesn't use a drop of oil between services, so it's not all engines that do it.
Great video mate, very interesting to see the evolution of that engine.
Thanks !!!
Great video 👍🏼 I have A4 B8.5 1.8tfsi 2013 with CDHA engine and it’s a shame that Audi didn’t resolve oil issue even on later model as mine....1 l on 1200 km currently and question what to do.....really unprofessional from their side....I have 120.000km. Shame on Audi....even before I have bought it Audi was satay in that they have resolved this issue on later models. I don’t know if my engine is first gen but this oil issue is really bad. Keep up ⬆️
My 2008 a4 had horrendous oil consumption by the time I got rid of it around 50k miles… 800 miles before it said it was low again! My gli is starting to do that at 130,000 miles… but it has a weird noise that I’ve been thinking is a timing tension issue
Hi thanks for the great video. I know you have said CDNC is a 1st gen but just wondering if this is true for the 2013 B8.5 facelift model manufactured in germany, as was told this was a 2nd gen?
Also forgot to mention it is a quattro avant. Not sure if that makes a difference or not...
Also trying to figure this out, from what I've learned I believe the cdnc is a 2nd gen however still plagued by the piston ring issues.
So is there anything to keep in mind with the gen 3b engine? Any recommendations?
Thank you i been looking all over info on the difference because i have a 2012 Jetta Gli Gen 1 CCT 6spd Manual and i'm actually wondering if on my car i can swap to a gen 3 engine or gen 2.
Nice vid. I think you meant it was designed by Volkswagen.
no designed by audi for the vag group
Nope, actually Volkswagen did not contribute to this design at all. EA888 family was designed and developed by AUDI AG, and borrowed by VW since is in a VAG group.
Hi,
I want to buy an A5 8T of 2016 next year. So you mean there no problems with the piston rings?
is it possible to swap engines, replacing gen 1 with a gen 2 in the same car
does the small pistons has issues with the 1.8t fsi cabb?
You didn't cover the VW TSI engine. Lol
I am floored that such expensive vehicles are burdened with such issues where as other many cheaper cars are more reliable
thank you bro! your video is very helpful! Can i ask the question? My car is 2013 Q3, The Engine code is CCZC, Do you know the tensioner part no. is 06H(old) or 06K(new)? because some say the new tensioner(06K) is fixed the timing chain issue.
I was just about to buy an Audi A5 2.0t of 2013 (engine CDNC 211cv) but I think it has the ea888 gen 1. Do you think I should avoid it? All this engines have the oil consumption problem?
Unless has already been recalled and fixed I would invest into Gen 2 or 3 as they are manageable through service and maintenance in comparison to hopeless cdnc. That's my opinion as someone who had personally two cdnc vehicles recently.
sorry so what is the problem of 2020 Q5 45tfsi 2.0T EA888? thanks
hello! I have a 2010 audi a3 1.8TFSI with CDAA engine. I have the error of excessive oil consumption?
Please tell me if CABB and CDHB has been affected by the high oil consumption. Im about to get one a4 b8 1.8 tfsi 158hp this weekend. Thank you
Can I send You video from 1.8 tfsi engine, i hear some weird noise from engine, can you suggest what problem is??
Oh dear ... Let me know how can help
Once upon a time, there was the predecessor of the 1.8 vag engine, the supercharged, (PG code), g60, 1.8lt..
Some used for races and where dissapointed. The rest users, felt that this engine is one of the best, ever, made by VW.
Mine, on a Passat Syncro, has 320.000 km. and 30 years of use, never opened, consuming 1l of oil/1000km., giving the same magic sound of a brand new g60, as you can compare to my blog. This consumption is prooved to be minimized by changing the valve seals, without opening the engine.
The g60 compressor prooved to be better than a turbo, having the need for the first service at 250.000 km., much better than my 2.7l Audi biturbo engine.
The funny think is that, at that era, smart guys where adamant that the engine was...unreliable because it was not capable to take Lemmans circuit.
The Millenium after, VAG, is not the same animal...
The Syncro Heresy
Forgot to mention that my g60 has an ABT kit, (chip + camshaft), for 200 hp. The engine, for the last three decades, works under these conditions
I own 2010 audi a5 coupe 2.0tfsi quattro..in the back of trunk it says 155kw cdnc ea888 engine..but i am not sure if its gen 1 or gen 2 ? Can you help me ?
Its mentioned in the video. Best Regards
Hey just wanna ask, will a ko4 turbo kit from a tfsi engine , be a straight fit for a tsi engine(mk3 scirocco)?
Thanks
Providing is the same engine or in the compatibility range. TFSI and TSI share the same engines plus minus some minor differences
@@GetJobDoneofficial if i am to upgrade from a ko4 what supporting mods do i need besides an intercooler, full exhaust sys, dv, induction kit and r8 coilpacks ?
@@michaelbeloso4910 you need a good tune! None of that will be useful without a good tune. Many times a good tune can make or break an engine so keep that in mind!
이 영상을 보고 있는 현재 나는 2011 mk6 gti를 타고 있으며 320,000km를 주행중이다. 나의 엔진은 cczb로 알고 있으며 현재까지 타이밍텐셔너에 문제 없이 잘 사용중이다. 개인적으로 나는 ea888엔진은 잘 만든 엔진이라고 생각합니다.
Pls reply. So in gen 2 they fixed the oil consumption and only the tensioner has problems? Thank you
CRZA EA113 for the win!
Yes i agree best engine ever
Hi, we had Audi A3 2011 and it has oil consumption ion, so is it a gen 1? Btw the engine blew up because the clogged valves.
I have gen 1 and Audi fixed my pistons for free. Also did my tensioner since the engine was out. No problems at all since then
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Did you own it since new?
@@vagcentral2252 no. I bought it with 62,000 miles
Hey mate, ive just buyed Skoda Octavia mk2 facelift vRS 2.0 TSI 2009 . I noticed that you didnt mentioned mark as Skoda and Seat. My question is, do you know which gen. Engine i have in my Skoda?
Porsche macan T model 2022 wearing the same engine with Audi A4 EA 888 gen 3 ? or the new EA 888 4 generation?
CDNC is gen 2. Every bit of goggle search ive done has come back with it telling me its a gen 2 engine.
can you rebuild gen1 with gen3 components? are they compatible?
Tree years after the video there are legit questions but no one to answer them, what a pity. Still dont know for sure it the gen 3, 3b can be considered safe and reliable in the long run...
Any review on the new EA888 Evo 4 engine?
I believe that's ahead of us...
Great video. The same story with tsi engines. What a crap. Full rebuild after 100k miles.
It's the same engineering. Do you mean 100k miles?
@@GetJobDoneofficialYes. The same story with DSG. Clutch pack, mechatronics and dual mass flywheel all replaced after 110k miles.
My 2015 AUDI A3 1.8tfsi has problem 'EPC light & code P0341 / P0016 any help with this problem??
Hello. I have a question DKZA engine is that a ea888 engine ? And is it same internals like golf R and Audi S3 ?
211(208) is always gen 2 or there was versions like that in gen 3?
Asking, because officialy gen 3 started in 2011. But when im looking for the car i see that 225hp earliest versions are from 2013.