BMW In F1: What Went Wrong?
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- čas přidán 3. 10. 2020
- BMW have a much longer history in F1 than most people think, and with senior figures in F1 wanting more manufacturers in the sport when the new regulations come into effect, I thought I'd take a short view back to the past and see what happened to BMW in F1 and why they ultimately didn't deliver a championship.
If you want to have a more in-depth look into BMW's F1 experience from 2000-2009, take a look at this article:
www.autosport.com/f1/feature/...
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it would be fun to see bmw returning in the sport with redbull as engine provider , it will surely make things exciting
That I would love to see!
Phillip Leite on the other hand redbull cans and the bmw logo already look pretty similar so a livery combing both would be cool to see
bmw dont make v6s
TAG Heuer engines again ;)
That could lowkey work
Technically After BMW Left, In 2010 The team was officially still called “BMW Sauber-Ferrari” As Peter Sauber Hadn’t registered a new name before the season
I'm from Malaysia, our country started hosting F1 in 1999 at Sepang F1 track. Thanks to that, I became an F1 fan.
I miss those era, becoming a huge fan of Mika Hakkinen, Kimi Raikkonen and Juan Pablo Montoya. The cars' liveries were really special looking back, Ferrari with red Marlboro branding, West McLaren Mercedes in silver and black theme while BMW Williams were white and blue. It felt like witnessing 2 epic German rivals always trying to beat each other but united to slay the Red Baron's dominance.
I remember my dad sending his car for service, he'd use Castrol engine oil, and the shop would give Castrol merchandises like BMW Williams F1 team caps and shirts. It was the first F1 merchandise I ever got, it was so special for me.
Today, I own a BMW, watching this video somehow makes me feel emotional and nostalgic. It has been a long, wonderful journey.
BMW had said they have no interest to return to F1, it's a shame, but if they were to reconsider it, they have a very happy fan here 🥲
That noise at the start of the video...I miss V8 so much :_(
I wanted to be nostalgic so I had to put it in there!
@@AlexTalksRacing yes nostalgia does exist...A LOT 😂
That was V10 not V8
Great video. Well made. Brings back so many memories. My dad got me into f1 as a kid in the 90's but I realise now that BMW seem to be behind most of my favourite drivers. The first driver I became a fan of was Montoya when he started at William's (a friend of mine nicked his hat for me). Then came one of my favourites Kubica (who I met last year) and he was replaced by my all time favourite driver Vettel who I've been following since he was 17. Why the heck did BMW have to pull out ... It had such a nice livery too.
Thank you! They were a favourite of mine too, hopefully one day we'll see them again in F1.
Great video loved it! Unfortunately I don’t think BMW would want to enter F1 in the near future seeing how dominant Mercedes is, if they can’t at least compete with Merc wouldn’t look so good from a marketing perspective.
To be honest I don't think they'll enter either after seeing Honda struggle to compete in the first couple of years. They would want to fully prepare. Glad you enjoyed the video! 🙌🏻
well this comment kind of aged badly lol
@@Sibiriuss what happen
Loving this chanel hope it grows a lot. Keep up the good work
Thank you, glad you like it!
Poor Kubica, can't imagine all the frustration he went through.
He could've won the 2008 championship had BMW not screwed him over. BMW could've won the constructor's championship too, but they made excuses to focus on making their new car based on the 2009 rules package a priority instead of helping Kubica and themselves in the hunt for the championship in 2008.
@@zanemarte9877 The worst part about their excuse is that their 2009 car was so shitty that Kubica only manage to score 4 points and 1 podium. Talk about Karma for BMW for avoiding their golden chance
Gentlemen, a short view back to the past...
great vid keep up the amazing work
Thank you! 🙏🏻
Dropping development of the car while Kubica was a championship leader is the dumbest decision I've ever heard.
I still don't know why they did it to this day, it was ridiculous.
@@AlexTalksRacing Heard BMW were already satisfied/contented with the result they'd so far back then
Kubica in this year said: "I’m sure if we were racing (race in Fuji 2008) the parts we’d tested three months earlier, I’d have won that race." They had new parts but didn't use it...
I honestly forget when or where I heard this - but one of the BMW engineers said that with very minor changes to the F1 v10 engine it would have been capable of making over 1000hp and turn 22,000rpm.
Great video as always! It would be great to see BMW return to F1 in the near future.
Thanks Ben, I would love to see BMW return to F1 as a works outfit or an engine supplier!
Loving your work, keep it up! Really well researched and well explained
Thank you, glad you enjoyed the video!
Very nice video! Well worth the wait, keep up the good content 🤙
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
Well done man! Your fitting right in with some of the bigger F1 channels right out of the gate.
If your looking for additional content to post try doing some reviews that center around racing in movies.
I just watched Grand Prix (1966) for the first time and started searching for reviews on racing movies and documentaries to watch. So I would watch a review here. LOL
Thank you! I'll look into your suggestion! 🙏🏻
Thanks for the suggestion. And it's free. czcams.com/video/RqxMYBj8axU/video.html
Really enjoyed it! Hope you'll be getting more recognition
Thanks Robin! As long as my content is good I'm sure the views will come 🙌🏻
Bruh Hamilton will probably only be a 5 time world champion if bmw focused in 2008
I don't really like what if scenarios as it could work both ways but yes you're correct!
Awesome video mate!
Thank you! 🙌🏻
Great video man! Pacing was spot on, well edited and detailed. May I ask, do you use a Premiere Pro preset for the swipe transitions you use?
Thank you, congrats on the 10k! I actually use Davinci Resolve and the two main swipe transitions are Push/Slide, they're really standard 😂
@@AlexTalksRacing Ohhh... I'll have to give that a look as my CC subscription is about to end! And thank you man, hope to see you on 10K soon!
Davinci Resolve is free and is really good, I refuse to pay for Adobe subscription services now and have found cheaper alternatives. It's a bit of a learning curve but once you get the hang of it it's brilliant!
Great video and channel, really enjoying it
Thank you, glad you're enjoying it! 🙏🏻
Happy to have this recommended to me. Have a sub!
Thank you, glad you liked it! 🙌🏻
enjoyed the vid, hope you get the deserved recognition!
Thank you! As long as my subscribers are happy I'm happy 😁
Amazing work man! Keep it up👏🏻👏🏻I’m here to stay and telling all my friends here in Stockholm that like F1 about your channel🇸🇪🇸🇪
Thank you so much, that means a lot! I've always wanted to go to Stockholm 😂
LTF1 Welcome friend! Kungsholmen to be specific!👌🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@@bussnr1 Hopefully when the world sorts itself out I can fly over 😂
Great video, love your channel👍
Thank you, glad you like it! 😁
BMW are like Honda, in that they do the proverbial hokey-cokey of being in and out of F1. It would be great to see big brand Manufacturers return but I think that some have been stung from past experiences. Toyota got it massively wrong too. It is likely that the brands F1 are trying to entice to the sport will wait and see how the new cost cap affects the privateer teams, like Haas and Williams. If they can build strength and be competitive then a big brand might see it as a worthwhile investment. Power unit costs need to be addressed too but the cost cap might free up some cash to develop a PU.
I'd like to see VW put one of their brands in, ideally Porsche!
I think the PU's are the thing that stops new manufacturers entering the sport, they're too expensive and there's a risk they get it completely wrong. I'd love to see Porsche or Lamborghini in F1!
@@AlexTalksRacing They'll be watching Red Bull's progress with their engine like hawks I guess!
Porsche did supply the engine to Mclaren Marlboro in the early 90s
Great video 👍. That 2008 decision....they were so inflexible about their progression time line...just ouch.
Thanks David! They were adamant they were on track to win the 2009 title. I believe they had the resources to focus on both 08/09 at the same time.
You want someone somewhere to say "OK, we're leading the championship... let's take a punt"
@@davidjamesnoble3170 They were leading the championship and saw how inconsistent Ferrari and McLaren were, the whole situation still baffles me to this day! 😂
Definitely. Decision made on the board room by people who weren't racers.
www.gptoday.net/en/amp/news/f1/256097/kubica-reveals-regret-over-missing-2008-title-shot-with-bmw
Great work 👍👍👍👏👏👏👏hope more videos about f1
Thank you! Yes there will be more videos coming soon 🙌🏻
A very interesting topic with good insights! May I suggest a bit of advice for upcoming videos?
* pace yourself a bit when talking
* increase volume
* do spell checks (0:50 for example :D)
Thanks for the feedback. I triple checked the video yet I still missed that spelling mistake, I'm really annoyed now 😂
I LOVE your Video 😍. I attended the Indianapolis GP to witness Sebastian Vettel 1st F1 race in a BMWSAUBERF1! I haven't missed an F1 race since 1997! NOTE: I bought a 2010 BMW M6 ( V10) for that reason. BMW is my favorite car company... been driving M cars since my 1996 E36 M3!( Estoril Blue)
Again great work dude. BMW used to be my favorite team when I was a child ^^
Thank you! I loved BMW too, I wanted Kubica to win in 2008 and that's coming from a Kimi and Ferrari fan 😅
@@AlexTalksRacing I always was more of a Heidfeld fan.. but I'm german so I guess that's kinda logical ^^
@@NaughtyLamb Of course people usually support drivers from their own country. I liked Heidfeld as well, he's my most underrated driver in F1 history!
@@AlexTalksRacing at least he scored some podiums... poor Hulk :(
great vid lol, dunno why you only have 2.2k subs
Thanks, I just need to get an upload schedule going 😅
Wish as a BMW Fan that BMW comes back
Wait how is he on 1.5k he's supposed to half 250 or sth
He really deserves it
Thank you 🙏🏻
keep up the good work
Thanks! 🙏🏻
This guy is hella underrated how does he not have more subs ?
Haha thanks! I just need to upload more frequently and I'm sure they'll come 😅
I think back to when Robert Kubica signed with Renault for the 2010 season and when he was asked about it his response was "why did I sign with Renault? They're racers".
Imagine the scenes, Mercedes VS bmw VS Audi. If that ever happens it would be the best battle we’ve ever seen
Like the good old days of DTM
Audi has been confirmed for 2026 in relation to the 2026 engine package.
Brilliantly done
Thanks! 🙏🏻
I wonder if BMW could return as a engine supplier to Red Bull with the news which broke last weekend that Honda are pulling out at the end of 2021
They could optain the IP of Honda's engine which would make the whole Red Bull situation very interesting.
Just saw the sauber today in Berlin. Wish i cohld have heard the engine.
Very good video, and yes BMW must return to F1 in the future. BMW has a history and that you don't just throw away overnight..!
My team in the game is BMW first season was really tough but now were 7th in season 2
08 bmw sauber best looking f1 car imo chassis and livery
My favourite was the 07 just because the chassis looked a bit cleaner. I wasn't a big fan of the aero on the nose of the 08 car!
LTF1 i like all the complicated aero on the front end plus comparing to the later gen cars i can appreciate its proportions a lot more than now days
Oh I definitely prefer the 98-08 generation of cars over the current ones! It's mainly just the "Dumbo ears" on the front wing, other than that it's a stunning car 👌🏻
LTF1 current cars r jus too long and too wide cant wait for the next generation to start
BMW Williams was my favorite, though I liked the 2008 Sauber too.
That BMW was quite a looker in 2008.. unfortunate they couldn't make it that year
Kubica should have won a championship in BMW
The 2008 season was there for him to win but BMW prioritised 2009
BMW. They could have chased the championship with Kubica, but said no. My god, Robert Kubica got screwed over by corporate decisions, this is why Corporate takeover of independent teams screw their drivers over. When Stewart got bought out for the Jaguar takeover via Ford in 2000, Jaguar took the team downhill after the 1999 season when they got things going especially with Rubens Barichello scoring points, podiums, and even contending for race wins that could have gotten him a win or two had engine failure not happen or had their race strategy work toward their favor. This is why we support independent teams owned by former F1 world champions, and those who want to live the dream not greedy corporations who prefer to focus on preparing new cars based on new rules packages rather than compete for a championship.
Hey, great video. I hope you'll be back soon :)
Well, i miss this German manufacture on the grid. What can I say, there's a high and down in the team's career throughout the f1 season.
Megatron. Pure badass
Haha
I had been curious about why bmw wasnt in F1 and then this video appeared. I was thinking, with the new V6 restriction, could bmw use an I6 instead? I'm not sure of all the rules but it would definitely make things far more interesting
I think everything depends on the next set of engine regulations. I could see a further downsize in both cylinders and displacement.
@@AlexTalksRacing maybe an inline 4 then? I think any sort of interesting trade off like higher low end torque vs higher mid range horse power or anything like that would be really interesting to see. Anything to make a sort of wild card would make the sport more interesting to watch day to day imo. Also, why not diesel engines? Those light cars would absolutely tear off the line with that low end torque
Best sounding engine BMW 👌
The bmw f1 2022 car looked sick
what went wrong?
FIA/Ferrari planed to have champion Schumbager and every thing was fixed
Weird how I'm only seeing this video now. I think your conclusion that BMW would have stayed on if they won in 2008 is wrong, at the time it was strongly rumoured that if they had won they would have pulled out immediately considering it a case of Mission Accomplished. Thiessen really liked being an F1 boss, so made the decision to pull back on the development in 2008 in part to make sure they could continue through to 2009. It's a shame that everything about their 2009 car was aweful, the missed many tricks on the chassis and the KERS system wasn't the best either, this just led to BMW doing what they always do in every series, pull out.
That seems sadly to be true. The head of BMW F1 Mario Theissan said himself "BMW was not fully committed to Formula 1 in the 2000's and if BMW won the championship either in 2008 or 2009 they would've considered it target achieved and we are going to leave anyway."
If you want to know more from his side of the story come check out his newly released Beyond The Grid podcast on the Formula 1 channel.
I don't wish they come back. Outside of F1, they currently have perfected the M division with the m2/m3/m4 having some of the best possible engines one would want. I would rather they continue perfecting those than choose to waste some money on some f1 car. Right now the m3 is one of the best price to performance cars I've ever seen, it handles amazingly for its weight, and its truly just such an engineering masterpiece. You look at AUDI & Mercedes who are pussying out and putting hybrids and Full Electric and then at BMW and you see the last good german brand outside of Porsche & Lamborghini.
We need more teams? YES
Yes we do!
Really great content but could you please try talking a little bit slower for the people who dont speak english as their first language. dont mean it in a rude way just want to let you know its a bit hard to follow every word sometimes.
Toyota was another one that puzzled me. They dumped a bunch of money into their F1 program. Didn’t get the results they wanted and just gave up.
Great video man !, A small suggestion would that it be better if you speak a little bit slower
Thank you, I do speak really fast and I'm trying my best each video to work on that. Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated! 🙏🏻
@@AlexTalksRacing All the best, will support you
Totally agree on that. Good video, interesting topic, very well picked, but you really need to speak slower. I'd say my english is pretty good, but i'm not a native speaker and it is hard and a little bit tiring to follow the spoken word.
@@danoontjemusic I naturally speak incredibly fast so this is me speaking a bit slower than usual, but I know for non-native English speakers it can still be difficult to understand what I'm saying. I'm trying to improve it each video so next time I'll force myself to speak even slower 😂
@@AlexTalksRacing That would be great and i totally understand you. 😊 I think it would improve the quality of the video if you could manage to speak a bit slower. And your work is very good in general, so we really appreciate what you do! 👍
Many manufacturers should just be engine suppliers not works team
Ayo!!! Malaysia pratonas!!!
I'm surprised they were never fierce competitors w/ Mercedes since their both German teams
On the engine side of things BMW wanted to be ahead of their German rivals, but it would've been interesting if they went up against Mercedes as a works team in the 2010's
@@AlexTalksRacing yeah I would have loved to have seen that the closet we got was McLaren Mercedes & BMW Sauber, when I first started watching F1 I was like I bet these guys were crazy competitive like in team sports. drivers crashing each other out, the BMW driver isn't going to score a podium, so he's going to block & if need be take the McLaren driver out since the car is powered by Mercedes. you know tit for tat battles, my power unit is stronger than yours.........lol...............
they kind of do that here in NASCAR & Indy. Chevy battling Ford, Ford battling Dodge. thanks for answering my question, maybe its a German thing, they could be insane rivals but I guess they do it in a more subtle way......lol.........its crazy always wondered why BMW didn't say "listen we're tired of Merc winning all these titles, its for us to get back into the game." and in all honesty that's what I was hoping for being a Merc fan, two works teams from the same country battling it out
@@sphere5282 They used to battle each other in DTM which was intense, and all the German brands are in Formula E. I do agree with you though I'd love to see them both fighting competitively in F1
@@AlexTalksRacing was hoping for some Formula E battles btw Merc & BMW. I think BMW is pulling a Honda they'll both be back in a few yrs especially if the new regulations work out for everyone
Woah 95 likes and 0 dislikes good job LTF1
Thank you! 🙏🏻
Welcome LTF1 but some idiot ruined the ratio
@@umeshsonkar4177 Haha it was always going to happen eventually! Let's make sure there's more likes though okay!? 😉
@@AlexTalksRacing yees just subbed to u
4:22 And that's how Williams got here today.
Im not native english speaker and you talk too fast for me to catch. Its a good video only need slower tempo for the voice over for someone like me to catch the words. Thanks
It's better to know the full story rather than just summaries of something.
So do you think this is a summary or a full story? 😅
Just a tip bro, at times you speak really fast and it’s hard for some to understand. So try to speak a bit slower. Great vid tho, rly nice editing
Thanks, in my latest videos I speak a lot slower!
They left just before Ferrari lost schumi/Brawn/Todt. They woulda won it if they'd stayed I reckon
I think if they sorted out their KERS issues they would've been title contenders in the early 2010's for sure.
BMW is champion of F1 2021 and also the only F1 car have Grand Champion Trophy
maybe if f1go towards an in-line 6 they'd consider coming back.
I've had a lot of comments saying the same thing, I think they would also be tempted with an inline 4 as well.
If you or any one else thinks that the changes that are being brought in will means that more teams will enter F1 , im afraid you like FIA are living in cloud cuckoo land , with the entry fee going up from $30 million dollars to $200 million dollars which they no longer get back like they used to, instead its shared out among ten existing teams , no manufacturer is going to give the other teams 20 million each , its a bloody stupid rule change , they say it was done to stop teams like the last three that entered F1 from being a joke , i would argue that if the FIA had a back bone and forced the teams to stick to the budget cap things might have turned out differently , what F1 needs to do is ban major car manufacturers from owning or buying parts of teams , they can only supply engines and they must supply at least three teams with engines and each team gets the same spec engine and has to pay for them, this way you dont need to have the high tech expensive engines because they would not be relevant to road cars , this is a sport and should not be dictated to by the importance of a manufacturers road cars engines, if some countries want to ban the sport then just dont race or use bio fuels, strict budget caps and drivers saleries caped at no more than 10 million a year , when 80% of the human population live on less than 30 thousand a year , if you say you cant live on ten million you should take a serious look at yourself , F1 needs radical changes from top to bottom , but no one has the courage to do it and take on certain teams .
Why would you abandon car development while leading the championship? I guess Red Bull took inspiration here and continued upgrading the 2021 car.
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As a Sauber-Fan since then I hate BMW
Why is no ome talking about porsche buying the honda f1 engine program. They were looking to enter the sport as recent as 2017, and had even delevoped a mule engine. They would be DUMB not to buy the honda program.
Porsche in F1 would be amazing and you're right Honda's engine IP might be available. Maybe a possible link up with Red Bull?
@@AlexTalksRacing would be dope, i hust dont get why NO ONE is talking about this. Everyone's like meh too expensive, covid, monies blah blah blah. When theres literally an UNPRECEDENTED opportunity for a manufacturer to swoop in and buy all the ip and move the manufacturing somewhere else. With how DOMINANT mecerdes is those german manfacturers HAVE to be wanting to dip their toes into that game theres no way your gonna tell me atleast ONE of the 3 isnt interested (bmw, audi, porsche) like i said tho i think its most likely porcshe. Wouldnt surprise me if some big people arent talking about some major moves at porcshe as we speak. Even if porcshe DOESNT buy the honda f1 program i KNOW theres going to be rumours. Audi,bmw, porsche, hell even ford would be STUPID not to atleast THINK about buying the honda program
@@TANGYHATCHY i would love to see either BMW or Porsche join f1 just to fight Mercedes, would do wonders for the marketing of their road going M cars
Bmw should return it's good for marketing and they need it with Tesla chomping at their market share
I completely agree, especially with the new regulations coming in!
In-Out-In-Out-In-Out. Basically German Honda.
Let's hope they do the opposite of Honda this time and come back 😂
BMW like to brag about their motorsport influence, yet they havent made an f1 entry for a long time. I wish they would though.
Ohhhhh first
You love to see it! 🎉
Bmw as an engine manufacturer may be the best engine manufacturer in the history of F1 but the teams that Bmw supplied, such as Williams, did not perform well enough compared to the engine used by Williams. If, for example, Mclaren had had a Bmw engine from 2000 to 2009, Mclaren would have won more races and more titles than Mercedes, However, Williams was not at the same level and with Sauber, the economic crisis of 2008 ruined all Bmw's plans for the 2009 season. Without the crisis, Bmw would have been able to perform very well, and in terms of engine performance, Bmw was the best in F1.
The reason BMW quited F1 was they afraid with Mercedes and Ferrari
Redbull is just Honda. I file a case against you honda that libel. Bmw is made his own engine. BMW is much much better than Honda Redbull
BMW had good engines but terrible car designs let them down, thanks to Sam Michael.
BMW is putting their money in their M cars, M suv and Mini’s!
And, making sure their Rolls Royce Yacht’s on wheels stay at the top of their games! 😆
True story. 😉
hey man you should talk a bit slower
I do speak really fast normally so I'm working on it 🙏🏻
@@AlexTalksRacing keep it up man you're gonna be big someday in
@@onjo_jihoo1011 thanks, comments like yours mean a lot 🙌🏻
F1 died bout in 2008.
Please speak a little bit slower!
Talk slower. Are you trying to finish your script before the end 10:54 ??
More Germans, no thanks. Ford or to be back with the engine change in 2025.
Ford is making a comeback to F1 in 2026 with Red Bull; this is the same team they originally partnered with in the 90's when the team was known as Stewart.
Kubica would not have won the 2008 championship even if BMW Sauber had developed the car till the end of season. BMW and Kubica were consistent but never had the pace to win races in '08. Kubica won in Canada because all the main rivals, Ferraris and Mclarens, were out and after the race Kubica was very critical towards his team and basically thought that win was just a fluke. I remember following this season closely back then and thought that even thou Kubica led the championship at one point there was no real chance he could win the title against Hamilton and Massa. A bit like Heinz-Harald Frentzen with Jordan in 1999.
I can't understand your accent it's too British
I dont like bmw brand in general and i absolutely hate bmw drivers on the streets, but for some reason when bmw came to f1 with montoya and ralph i chose them as my favourite f1 team, while main battle were between mclaren and ferrari