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Myth missed… buying a $1,000 rod helps you catch more fish
Another myth, that rod has no warranty anymore. Somehow companies are not covering warranties anymore, at least a lot of them aren't. Temple fork outfitters is one of the worst.
$1000.00 rod does not buy a cast. I've got a buddy whipping a Fenwick ambassador fly rod like Monet using a brush.....
It's most definitely not the rod. Time on water with whatever rod in hand is most important I think. Could be wrong, probably am.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, he switches to fried chicken and drinks beer all day.
You hurt my feelings when you debunked the 20/20 myth, but picked me right back up when you pointed out the truth about fly fishers being the upper echelon of humanity.
20/20 is nothing. Harder with dries, but it ain’t a big deal.
The 24/24 club is something else though…
You nailed it! My first fly outfit cost $19 from Walmart. Rod, reed, fly line and a few flies. I bought it to see if I would like fly fishing. Hmmm.... how many fly rods do I have? I know... If you know how many you have, you don't have enough....
I have one. Well, one and two broken ones. The one gets the job done.
You can catch fish on a stick!!!! czcams.com/video/4M9IAelUyuc/video.html
@@flyfishscook You mean Tenkara? Cane pole was my introduction to fishing.
No, I mean… cut a branch off a tree and tie a leader and flies to it.
For many years, despite having purchased far more expensive rods, the best rod I had was bought at Kmart for $19. One sad day, I snapped the tip in the old-fashioned spring-loaded screen door of a classic fishing lodge, and that rod was sadly never the same.
FWIW, I don’t know how many rods I have at the moment, but I definitely need another one! Actually, there’s three more that I need…
"I've been fly fishing for a while now and I want to learn to spin fish" lol I actually spit water out of my mouth! Keep up the great content!
I taught myself to cast on a roof top in south baltimore with a starter set that cost less than 20 dollars.(long time ago) Then i caught my first fish on the gunpowder with a sulfur dry... It was accessible for me and i didn't have any money at the time. (still don't)
Myth: If fly fishing in Montana, you need your drone flying overhead to catch a trout.
No it’s actually true, in the last 3 years, it’s a Brozeman city ordinance.
True. The barometric pressure changes with the additional down force of the blades rotation that causes the mind of the fish to become hazed similar to humans on THC. What do we all know about THC? It causes the munchies. Drones overhead, specifically in Montana, has the same effect on fish.
The drone hatch has been getting better and better each year
LOL !
Myth: you can only fly fish in summer.
It’s a new year which starts my next attempt at catching at least one fish in each month. I might fail again this year but at least I’ll get on the water more than if I didn’t even try.
Just the other day I caught 3 rainbows at a local pond on my fly rod. They wouldn't even look at my ultralight spinning set ups.
Man, where I live it's really rough to catch anything on a fly rod in the coldest months. Lord knows I've tried, but climbing snow banks and freezing your butt off and just getting skunked over and over got really old. Your milage may vary of course!
@@Scrub_Zero yeah, the pond froze over and then it warmed enough to thaw. So the trout were feeding like crazy.
@@Scrub_Zero it gets tough here in north Idaho especially compared to summer but forces me to get out and try new areas, techniques etc.
Good luck out there.
I love to break the ice out of my fly rod guides. (NOT!) 😆
I’ve caught a 2 inch trout on a size 2 fly. That count for anything?
Myth: Deckers is a respectable fishery.
Yeah, bucktailing for coho in the Pungent Sound is totally trolling with a fly rod and a guilty level of fun.
How about when the sockeye are running, when all you need is a red hook, lol.
I think I do save money tying my own flies. But, I mostly use junk that I get from Wal-Mart or a craft store, e.g. I will tie Gurglers from craft foam and gift trim and I don't use expensive hooks. Fly tying is like fly fishing; you can make it as easy or complicated, and as expensive or cheap as you want. P.S. I mostly fly fish for Bass and bream. P.S.S. I created a pattern that is supposed to act like a Lazy Ike, would that be considered I new pattern?
I do the same. Joannes fabrics and Hobby Lobby are also good places to find materials. However, unless you are using a free vice, storage containers, roll top desk, uv epoxy and light, scissors, hair stacker, etc., you laid out some decent cash. $200 buys a lot of flies.
@@eixr It takes time to make it back. Also, I imagine the fewer flies you lose the longer it takes to make the money back. And even though it might cost me less than a buck to make a new fly I hate losing them. And my desk was free. Someone had it on the side of the road. I will admit super glue is a pain as it dries in the tube fast.
@vibratingstring you should watch one of Ben's knot tying videos.
Started watching your videos a few weeks ago and absolutely love them, get a good laugh every time.
I love these videos. You have such a great sense of comedic timing. You are a natural. One request: can you do like 20 minutes on why you hate Tenkara. Because I do too. I just don't know why. But I do. And I suck at fly fishing. Case in point, on the lower Sac, my son, who rarely fishes (but is younger, more athletic and has better reactions -- but I don't see how that's relevant) caught three beautiful fish. The biggest he has ever caught. I caught none. I had two nice ones on my 5 wt. but I failed do seal the deal. The first joke about "long distance release" is definitely better than the sequel. Happy New Year Ben. I always look forward to your content.
Dave, go to: czcams.com/video/AMKsAD6XsGk/video.html Ben and his kids go Tenkara fishing. It is a RIOT!
@@toddnelson1494 I forgot about that one. You are right. It is hilarious! Ben the Dad never fails either.
Like it or not, Tenkara is definitely fly fishing, it's just not fly-line fishing (and personally I'd rather fly fish with flies than just with with fly lines... though I don't do Tenkara... and, I consider "fly" fishing from a boat - which, because saltwater, I get to do more often than real fly fishing - to not really BE fly fishing, versus Tenkara... cuz if you simply COULDN'T fish flies with just stepped horsehair or stepped mono, you're a hugely NEO-"fly"-fisher, lacking institutional know how, who even hundreds of years ago would be considered a bobber-grade fly angler). (Not that this is directed at you, Dave... just Ben... since "bobber" [boat, in another sense] anglers such as "us" don't really have much room to talk.)
@@bobh1208 Very thoughtful answer. Is using a "San Juan Worm" fly fishing? I have a Tenkara buddy who always outfishes me. I think it's because he lives by the creek. But hey, he is using flies! I think I will classify myself as a fisherman. I will use a spinning rod occasionally if it's really the best tool for the job. But I love the feel of a fish on a fly rod. So I am a fly rodder! And I suck at it but love when I manage to get it all together! I am going to a really cool stretch on the lower Sacramento with a guide I know who likes to use multiple techniques. Strangely, stripping streamers here doesn't work as well as on other waters. Cool reply Bob.
@@daveschlom4033 Well, I'm too exacting to even be exact, in that I don't hardly consider cadis flies to be flies... and it's not like those are lobsters! But hey, something you might try on your trip, that I'll be playing around with for the first time tomorrow, even though I've always been a fairly decent caster with traditional thumb placement, is this guy's method of placement (using, as one Aussie puts it, the \\\\\\\/ rod stroke), (in kind of a "ttttttttttthat way" pointing of the index finger), to make things go smoothly more easily (supposedly... though I do see how it could): czcams.com/video/MvaTGTmbSUw/video.html
I've recently been having visions of fishing panther martins on ultralight spinning outfits like I used to, and casting wooly buggers with aqua bubbles. Spin fishing is just as beautiful as fly fishing, it's just in a realm and world of its own.
Wrong
@@lyleburlingame2276 ??? 🤔
Love fishing my ultralight setup. Chucking spoons, spinners, soft plastics is a blast. I'm not partial to any kind of fishing I like to try them all. Also just bought my first tenkara rod so every kind of fisherman can talk shit 😂
That’s awesome. Now you need some power bait and some dog food chum to complete the kit.
Always entertaining. Happy New Year Ben.
I started fly fishing two years ago. One misconception I had was that of standing in a river and casting my fly some 20 to 30 yards down/upstream. Guess that came from perceptions of scenes in movies. Actually, most of places I have fished I am mostly flicking the line or using a bow & arrow cast.
Fly fishing does seem more technical in terms of casting, and it reminds me of golf in that everyone has advice on how to place your hands, wrist, etc. I dunno...get some basics down and just get out there and fish.
I was initially overwhelmed too by "match the hatch", but I think it was a Huge Fly Fisherman video where I heard something along the lines... "fish are dumb, just cast any fly in there."
I’ve fished bass tournaments for years and match the hatch isn’t especially effective for bass. I’m sure if there was competitive trout fishing you’d find the most effective way to fly fish is the oddest seeming. A plastic bait called a Senko fished wacky style is the very effective for bass and trout.
@vibratingstring competitive fishing sometimes gets a bad rap. It does great things for the development of equipment and technology. It also is a great way to meet people and forces you to go places and fish at times you wouldn’t otherwise. I’ve fished in 23 states because of my tournament fishing and only about half a dozen recreationally. Except for vacation it’s hard to drive past a dozen good fishing spots close to home on the weekend to fish new water and couple hours away. Tournaments make you do that even if the river is high and muddy. Necessity is the mother of invention and you learn to make good catches in unfamiliar places under what you previously thought impossible conditions.
@vibratingstring fly fishing competitions are not limited to euro nymphing.
I'm currently trying to fish using only the lures and techniques described in The Complete Angler.. yup, I'm THAT fly-fishing nerd. I love that we can take fly fishing, personally, in any direction we want. I started with a split cane rod, and no reel, when I was a kid, this was " noodling" , a lot like tenkara fishing, and as time went on, I learned to cast.. lol. Great content, thank you
Best fly fishing you tuber on the web…keep videos flying
I hope you and your family have the best year ever and stay huge😉
As someo who grew up in an area during an era where and when flyfishing wasn't popular, I know all this. Eagle claw fly rod, martin 65 reel cheapo line. That was my first 5 years of flyfishing so many many years ago. I leaned to cast from fly fisherman magazine, put the bucket out, cast your fly into the bucket, step back ten feet, repeat. All while repeating "(chardon) is a great place to live" to get the timing right. And it worked. I'm one hell of a caster. Still don't tie flies though. Never got into it. I e done it but it bores me to death.
LOL ! 🤣
Agree with the social media thing. I was sneaking some fishing time into a family holiday last summer and reached out to some locals on insta who helped me with spots to try and flies to use. Great guys.
Ben! You do some Fine You Tubes! Loved this!
Good video bud but in ny they changed the regs so that you can sport fish aka catch and release fish in the off season for trout in inland streams and for bass… they use the term sport fishing a lot in there definition.
Haha this was solid gold! Thanks man!
Good one Ben. Happy New Year
As far a trolling goes you have to add the Mainers to the list. It is an art up there as well as tying those long shank tandem streamers.
And yes, you are the God of comic fly fishermen. Stay Huge Huge.
Couldn't stop laughing! Thank you.
Lol amen to that fly tying being economical at ALL. I've a spent more on fly tying materials than I have on fly fishing gear easily. To put it I'm perspective a quality rooster cape from whiting farms can range from $80-200+ and you'll want at LEAST 4 of them for different colors. 1 of those capes can buy a high end spey line. 4 of them can buy u a perfectly respectable fly rod, reel, line, tippet and some spare change for tons of extra leader straighteners for every time Ben throws yours in the river.
Edit: That being said the fly fishing myth you missed (but have probably covered in previous) is that fly fishing is only for the rich. It's not, you can get a decent setup to hit the water for pretty cheap. If you look at rods n reels compared to spinners sure they're generally more expensive but when you're not throwing all your money at fly tying materials you can pick up 50 flies for the price of 6-7 rapalas and you won't rip a fishes face off trying to "release" it because you respect the ecosystem.
This was dope!
HAPPY NEW YEAR!! I\m going fishing today!
Thank you. I needed this.
I have learned the fly-tying myth the hard way but I still like tying the easier patterns. Rubber legs, hares ears, pheasant tails, wooly buggers, leeches etc. Wildtrout showcased as the negative about fly fishing social media lol.
Great video!!
Here's to another year of trolling (us) with a fly pole. Nice one!
caught my best wild brown on a 30 dollar eagle claw 6ft 6inch 3wt, and a max catch 28 dollar reel , you don't need expensive stuff to fly fish
This guy nails it every time
No pants! Objection sustained! 😂 Starting my year out Huge. Thanks Ben 👍👍👌🎣
Myth: Ben is an okay caster. Can confirm Ben is an GREAT caster.
You haven’t seen me on a skiff.
That was fun, stay HUGE!
Love the, 'try to catch a 20" fish on a size 2 fly.
You don't tie your own flies to save money lol. Never heard such a thing till now. It's more like an addict getting his fix. Don't you prefer catching fish on your own stuff that you stole from someone else haha?
Fly Fishermen never drink beer. They ONLY drink expensive fine wine imported from France.
You can tell a fly fisherman. You just can't tell him much. 🤣🤣🤣
Happy Huge day everyone!
Myth: Better gear makes you a better angler. This ties into a few of the comments above, but I think this myth applies to all gear (rods, reels, packs, rod vaults, waders, etc). Some of this can definitely help, but some of the best fly fisherman I know have the oldest or cheapest gear.
Myth: You can only use 6x-8x on spooky trout.
Arguably better gear will make you a better angler, at least make it easier to be a better angler it’s easier to cast with a good rod and good line than it is to cast with a bad rod and bad line.
True That
Thanks for the inspiration.
Love it..😂 especially the last comment!
Lol love this shit. “Hey been fly fishing for forever, can you teach me to spin fish?” Please?
Myth # 5 Great fly fisherman make great guides . Happy New Years and May your lips be as smart as the fish you talk about .
Got a Moonshine rod for Christmas from my wife.. Way better than the Cabela's special I was using.. All things considered at least it's not a tenkara! Ha!
Attaboy Ben! That sounds like the Ben I started watching.
Spot on dude, thank you !
what's the backstory on the distain for moonshine? seen them referenced in several videos
I dont fly fish, but this make me want to evolve into a higher being.
Someone mentioned it below and I'll make it formal. Myth: Euro-nymping is fly fishing. I don't care if you use a fly rod and reel and I don't care if you use tippet and little jigs that may or may not imitate an aquatic nymph. I also don't care if you can catch more fish than I can using nymphs under a synthetic wool indicator. If you're not casting a fly line and using the weight of said line to deliver an imitation, then it's not fly fishing. Have at these comments if you disagree, Ben. ☮
I don’t see a compelling reason not to use a spinning rod if you’re fishing a jig under a cork?
@@edwardcowan7012 Then I'm not sure you'd find a reason not to use a spinning rod; dry, nymph or streamer? Casting nymphs or any other fly using a fly line is a prerequisite to be guilty of fly fishing in my book. ☮
@@justal4844 dry would definitely require fly fishing.
As a spey guy I look down on all of you. You catch fish fish with a double soft hackle wet fly rig(glorified poaching) with a 9 ft 5 wt. big whoop. Catching trout on a spey rod and spey line and spey lines now that gets my wheels turning. Fishing a tailwater with lots of overhanging trees? Don't care I'll still be hurling my spey rod everywhere I go.
@@macnikle0622 Well, now you've just changed the subject completely. I spey-nymph all winter, and I don't recommend in-fighting amongst proper fly fishermen-people 🙃
Great segment and no paints👍🏻
OMG Spot On!
The only time I feel fly fishing is a sport is if you are in a competition other then that it’s just relaxing.
Is chess a sport? What about spelling bees?
@Corey Tohme
Those are called contests.
Sports usually involve physical activity, and specific rules.
Ha! Corey, I just used the same analogy in another comment. Also, suck it.
@@HugeFlyFisherman Fishing is a sport where your opponent doesn't know they are playing.
Fishing, hunting and racing all qualify as sports.
Football, soccer, and anything played in a bar or on a table (board) are called games. 🤔
Um dude I fly fished first in the Alberta foothills in Canada. I now live in the prairies and have picked up spinner rods and bait casters since then. All forms of fishing are fun and effective. As long as I’m out there I’m happy, and I sure don’t look down on “shrapnel tossers ” as you put it.
They been trolling with flys in maine for atleast a hundred years as well . Maybe alot longer ?
This is true. It’s also why we don’t have giant brook trout anymore…
Edit:some of the early streamers were tied in Rangeley, Maine. Back in the late 1880s was the real hey day for Brook trout and salmon up here. Still a few around tho
Objection Sustained! 😂
Which is myth?
1) Ben sucks at fly fishing.
2 “…and I AM a FINE FISHERMAN” (a Ben quote from this video)
WHICH is MYTH? 😆
Bring up the impact of brown trout on native trout, really gets people going
That will be in my upcoming video about trash fish.
@@HugeFlyFisherman I'm excited about this one... As long as you treat gar right. Ancient native fish that eat flies and can actually hurt you? No way is that a trash fish.
"go kick a bait dunker"
hearing that made me laugh. and now i want to go kick my dad but also give him a hug for taking me fishing as a kid. even if it was worms and wedding rings. it got me here. you should thank kick my dad too!
Nice shirt ben
Thanks Ben! I too shall go bask in my self-righteousness now also.
I have been fly fishing my whole life and I am literally learning to a
Spin fish. It's different and so far, it's pretty fun.
Same here, but I learned to spin fish because I wanted to catch more for the kitchen. With bait and a spinning reel it's all about getting them to the boat asap.
👍🏻👏🏻 well done
lol the zinger, nice
What a banger
I am self taught. not a great caster, don't know the name of a bunch of flies, don't have expensive stuff, but I can catch fish and enjoy doing it. what else is there? never been interested in fly tying. the worst thing about flyfishing are the 'elites' that think fly fishing are above other fisherman.
I taking a sport while watching this video! 🎉
Fly fishing is hard, but Tenkara is easy
Tenkara is definitely easy.
Fly fished only for years. Picked up a spin rod a couple years ago to give it a try again... I felt like I got kicked off the short bus...
A conventional tournament angler who fishes huge once a week, buzzes to new and remote locations on the water at 80mph, has invested $200k in a bass boat/gear is better than a fly fisherman who fishes every other month in crowded trout waters... Change my mind!
Everything else was spot on as always! Pretty sure the better than portion was a troll though. lol
75K 70mph is more the case but I’ve driven a 100mph bass boat. I’ve fished with KVD (7 million in winnings). I can assure you that he is a better fisherman than you or I. Average tournament guy is just a guy that likes to fish like everyone else, the guy with the fastest boat is generally trying to compensate for not being a good fisherman. You have to watch out for the guy with the 20 year old 50mph rig.
@@edwardcowan7012 All very well said! My points exactly. Was just throwin 80mph out there lol
Pffft superior...I bet Ben secretly hits the lake with some G-Loomis baitcasters and a bunch of ned rigs.
Great lakes rainbow trout/steelhead. Are they steelheads?
Yes, and if anyone doesn't think they are, I implore them to take a trip and fish for them in our Tributaries.
@@erikseymour6038 I will respectfully disagree. Rainbow trout can be a great species on their own without being steelhead, and the definition of a steelhead is a sea run rainbow trout, and since those great lakes rainbows don't ever enter salt water, they aren't true steelies. They are potamodromous (large lake run), which counts for something. They're bigger, they fight good, look and act somewhat like steelheads. I certainly think they're way cooler than a 14 incher one pulls out of the local stream, but they're still rainbows. But that's ok cuz big rainbows are still cool fish. They don't need to be steelheads to be cool.
What are ya drinking? Maybe a local beer shout out could lead to a sponsorship one day.
It was a Coors Light lol!
"Fly fishing definitely isn't a sport or a personality"
Dudes who take pictures of their fish or drive a toyota with a fish or sasquatch sticker: 😧
I still use a Delorme Atlas.
You would have to have pants on. Pants have a fly. Without pants you only have a midge to fish with. We all know you don't like to fish with a midge.
So true about tying your flies is cheaper but its fun…
I don't think you would bring it up if you had pants on
Brutal!
❤❤ Functional adults are few and far between. ❤❤ lol
Hey Ben, it's been about a year, do you still like your zippered orvis waders?
Yep. Zero problems. But I only have about 30 days in them. I wouldn’t expect more than about 150 days out of top of the line waders, give or take.
@@HugeFlyFisherman I appreciate the feed back. Was looking at getting them for my next set of waders. Also, thanks for the videos. Not only informative but I literally laugh out loud often.
How about the 2020 club on a free stone head water? I was impressed.
@vibratingstring What?
I also wanted to add that I live in the Bitterroot Valley of Montana and CZcams has increased the number of fishermen around here.
Heard from a fellow practitioner on a stream in Idaho: You can’t catch a trout 10’ from you!
Are mop flies real flies? Asking for a friend.
No, they are govt drones
Are strike indicators real plugs?
I’m trying to figure out if fly fishing is effective and if it will add anything to my fishing? I’ve fished bass tournaments for 45 years and you don’t get points for style. What works quickly gains popularity. I recently started trout fishing over the winters and much prefer it to ice fishing. If you want to catch a 20” trout that Rapala will do it, you’ll want a suspending model. Bass fishing is a sport and expensive. Boats can cost 100K and you need a different rod for each of the 1000 different lures you’ll need.
Fly fishing is very effective, all of my biggest smallmouth were caught fly fishing. Fly fishing is harder, less convenient, and slower. But you get to present a life-like baitfish or insect pattern that even the best soft plastics can't imitate.
@@gray1738 I did some fly fishing long ago, mostly for Bluegill so I know how to cast. I have a 50 year old 5wt. I build rods and don’t understand why most fly rods are 4 piece. Every rod I use up to 8ft are 1 pc. Why are only the stripper guides ceramic? The reels seem big and heavy for what they do, is that for balance? I assume there are presentation options that a fly rod is a must. Nymphing with a strike indicator (cork) isn’t it, lol.
I grew up bass fishing Lake Walter F George (Eufaula) and get the competition of tourney angling. I think that the best way to answer your first question is to just tell you this: Fly fishing is just plain fun. Can you produce more fish or bigger fish using spin or bait casting methods? Sure. Is it fun to work a plastic worm up a ledge and get that “bump bump” or fish a cricket under a bobber? Definitely. But fly fishing is a different fun. More top water. More sight fishing. More intimate connection to fish. Often, more beautiful places. As the for the rest; 4 piece travel better, fly lines r slick and shoot easily through metal guides, and the reels vary greatly depending on what you want them to do.
@@paulcolson3220 Definitely peaceful fishing small North East PA streams for native brook trout in the middle of winter.
@@edwardcowan7012 The increase in sensitivity you get from a one piece is not really an advantage since most fly fishing is either visual (dry flies, poppers, bobbers) or you are directly connected to the fly via the line (streamers). On the other hand, the ease of storage and transportation you get from a 4 piece is a huge advantage. The main reason 1 piece fly rods are still around are tarpon guides and musky fishermen. The big flies, heavy lines, and pressure from a big fish can loosen the sections and break a rod if you don't check it regularly, this happened to my 11wt.
Snake guides are normally used instead of full ceramic because they are lighter and let the line shoot more freely (in my opinion). The hard chrome snake guides are as smooth as ceramic. The only time ceramic guides are used all the way on a fly rod is custom musky rods. The tungsten impregnated lines and large amounts of pressure can wear though normal guides, I had to send in a rod for replacement because of this.
You're right, the reels are mostly for balance and its an efficient layout to store the thick fly line. They are pretty light considering they're mostly metal.
Fly rods are the ultimate finesse fishing and have unique options that cant be replicated with conventional tackle. Imagine a near weightless marabou jig you can present right on bottom, a fluke made out of feathers, or a Bucca Bull Shad that swims like a fluke and is 3" long. There's a ton of subtle action and unique movement since the flies are weightless and made out of hair, feathers and light synthetics. There's no split shot or drop shot weight to dictate exactly how a fly moves.
5:01 so you haven't watched slow loop i guess
You do know that’s not real life, right?
As a Finn, thats not exactly how to pronounce Rapala.
Here's a myth for ya: a fly fisherman isn't a fly fisherman without a shit ton of stickers
You’re right, you don’t save money tying flys or make money selling them. Cheech leeches are 10 bucks each in Reno and buying the stuff to tie them is 50 bucks and I tied 6 of them and have material left for a lot more. Does that mean I’ve saved money? No, but it’s the logic I feed my wife so I can continue to buy materials. Am I a bad person?
I bought your ‘I suck at fly fishing trucker’ years ago. So I am your ((smallmouth guide in Indiana)best type of supporter. But this video was just a reiteration of everything else. It sux. But you’re a good and I want to support you…just come up with something better or start guiding.
The definition of fly fishing; A frustrated ballet (pole) dancer.
Can’t troll with a fly rod? I own a Moonshine rod just to troll Ben.
Lol, what a fuckin legend 🤣💯