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Hello, I have a question about a piece of music that you have used In a few of your videos, and I have been meaning to ask you about it. I have comments on both the 5 Lake Huron disasters video, and the Daniel J. Morel video, and I have been wondering about the name of a piece of music used in both of them. My comments have Time Stamps on them, so can you please tell me the name of the music?
It's so strange that Titanic has been so romanticized in media, but yet and another relatively new White Star vessel went down in the same place that's never even been found, nobody's heard of the Naronic.
Not that strange, really. The Titanic was brand new and thought unsinkable, launched with big fanfare. 1500+ people died when she sank, vs 74 in the Naronic. When the Titanic sank, everyone and their mother knew about it the next day thanks to the telegraph, which hadn't been invented at the time of the Naronic. Finally, and maybe most importantly, how many maritime disasters with at least 100 people casualties can you ( can anyone of us, really ) think of? Not that many probably ( at least for me and the average person, I bet ). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_maritime_disasters_in_the_20th_century How many of those ( this list doesn't include ships sank by beligerant warships ) does the average person know besides the Titanic? Not many, if none. For instance, there is a ship named SS Noronic ( not Naronic ) that caught fire in '49. more than 100 people died. Did you know about it? I didn't until I went through that list We only know so much, and remember so much
I don't find it strange for several reasons: 1) Ocean Liners got all the fame and glory. When Titanic sank, she was the newest, largest, and most comfortable ship ever built, going on her maiden voyage. Naronic, meanwhile, was a mere cargo ship, with no records to her name, nothing to wow the general public, and having completed 12 voyages successfully prior to her sinking. 2) After Titanic sank, a LOT happened, effecting, not only those directly tied to the disaster and their families, but the entire world. Many famous people were just.... Gone. The largest, most luxurious liner of its day, sinking on her maiden voyage, was almost unthinkable! Every ship would then be required to have enough lifeboats for all on board, and travel by ship would never be the same again. As for Naronic, everyone was just crew, and no changes to international law were made after the disaster. Naronic was gone, and that was it.
I agree also when the Titanic sank everything was pretty orderly no fighting for the most part and some heroes it's the perfect story most times when I ship sinks it's craziness and no order
Not only that. But imagine trying to survive and then see everybody near you disappear below the surface one after the other until you are the only one left and you are already extremely tired and numb, realizing that you don't have much time left yourself, and no ship or boat in sight. How extremely lonely and horrifying that thought must have been. I am on a patrol vessel in Denmark. A few years back, we had a case of a motorized boat suddenly sailing straight for the coast just outside the town we are stationed in, and when it hit the buttom just a few feet from dry land, it was quickly established that nobody was on board. A huge rescue effort was launched, and by using the navigational equipment on board, it was possible to make an approximate back track of the movements of the boat back to where the last entry had been made in the log. A helo taking part in the search actually found the occupant in the water, a huge distance west of where the boat ran aground (huge distance in relative terms as the boat had moved on for several hours before running aground since he fell overboard). But having been in the water for many hours, he had somehow managed to stay alive nevertheless, even though he didn't have a survival suit on. It turned out that he had never given up hope and had spent almost the whole time singing to keep himself from falling asleep. But he also confessed to feeling the loneliest he had ever experienced while knowing that he would never be able to reach the shore by swimming. So seeing that helo in the distance and then realizing that it had spotted him when it turned towards him and began to hover must have seemed like an impossible miracle. Just thinking about it as a seasoned sailor and rescuer, it gives me deep chills despite knowing that he survived. So I can't even begin to imagine what it must have been like for all those who perished at sea while being the last one remaining out there, and knowing that now (in their final moments before death) there would never be a miracle or a rescue before it was too late. GEEEZ. 🥶🥶🥶🥶
SS Naronic and SS Waratah have always been my favorite ocean mysteries. They not only share a lot of similarities, but also finding the wrecks will be the only key to ever learning their fates. You also raise a very good point that I’ve heard before about Titanic and her Marconi set. Its made me think before, that had her Marconi operators not decided to break the rules and fix the set themselves, Titanic might very well have been lost with all on board.
In that case you may wanna add other mysteries like the Edmund Fitzgerald, Andrea Gail, President, Pacific, City of Boston and Munchen to your list, since they're all also examples of ships that went down without trace (save for Big Fitz ofc) or cause.
I’ve been binge watching all your videos lately, and just yesterday I watched your first video on the Naronic. You have come a long way since then, your delivery, presentation, and style have all drastically improved. It’s good to see you remake one of your older videos.
Firstly, an amazing documentary. Secondly, what terror & helplessness they must have felt! It’s so sad no one really cared they might be alive. I’ve always had the greatest respect for sailors, even today. But before the Marconi, they truly were a very brave race of men. RIP.
The ending made me think. For some reason I've always wanted to see a video that works out from the idea of 'what if there were no survivors of Titanic'. Imagine, the only thing they ever found were some lifeboats with frozen bodies. It would be so eerie.
Between the tragic facts of the story and your incredible way of telling said story, I could absolutely see someone filming the Naronic as a psychological horror film. Everything starting normal, maybe a hint of foreboding; some sailors remembering dark stories of shipwrecks past like the SS Pacific. As the days pass, the weather gets worse, the tension builds, the ship's creaks and groans become more poignant. Then, one night, at the height of the storm, an iceberg appears out of the waves, the ship strikes it and begins taking on water. Maybe there's a struggle to keep her boilers dry as long as possible, some forlorn hope that she can be saved. As things deteriorate further, some cowards flee to the lifeboats only to be lost to the raging sea. But as dawn breaks and the storm rages on, it's clear there's no hope for those remaining, only to send a bottle adrift to try and tell their story.
Been obsessed with the Naronic since I was a kid. I had just watched Cameron's Titanic, and was looking up everything I could about the actual Titanic. That led me to a White Star aficionado's website, which had an article titled "What Happened to the Naronic?", which had a very thorough rundown of all the evidence available at the time (indeed, not much has changed since then). That was around 2006 and the website's long since gone, but the curiosity it sparked in me about the Naronic is still with me to this day. Personally, I think that, even if all the bottles are hoaxes, that they still a version of the truth, that the ship was lost in extremely rough conditions. If I ever had the money, I'd love to set out on an expedition to find it, since no one else is clearly going to. But, until that time, I am content to wait by the shore for any further news of that once great ship.
The voice of a concord airline pilot, the dashing historical pizazz of Dan Snow, the storytelling flair of Jackie Collins….what more could any CZcamsr aspire to? Fair play to you BoB! ❤
I enjoy these stories so much. Your calm demeanor in the delivery also adds so much to the experience. No fake emotions or hysteria. I am so glad I found your channel. I told my husband about it, he is a civilian mariner with Military Sealift Command, a Second Engineer and he enjoys listening to the description of the propulsion systems.
As always, a well documented & wonderfully presented offering of one of the many mysteries of the North Atlantic. Thank you for sharing! This is Peter M; out!
I actually have a suggestion for a video. I don't know if there's enough information out there about this ship, but I'd love to see a video about the SS James C Carruthers, one of the 12 ships lost to the White Hurricane. I don't want to make this comment too long, but I will say that I think you could do a great job reporting on this ships' short history and the mystery surrounding its sinking and the bodies of her crew that were found. Keep up the great work man and, till the next one.. Be nice to people :)
Most channels recommend sending video recommendations through their insta accounts. His is listed on his channels main page :) I think he’d have a higher chance of seeing it there
Translated from a Norwegian newspaper from april 30 1897. "A bottle containing a written note was washed ashore on the 2nd of this month at the Wash-Woods life-saving station near Norfolk, Va. The content of the note read: 'Onboard the steamer "Naronic" 500 miles east of Cape Hatteras. Struck by a cyclone and is now in a sinking condition. As we leave the ship in the only remaining boat, we throw this bottle overboard in the hope that it will reach land and tell of our fate. Farewell.' "Naronic" departed from Liverpool on February 11, 1893, destined for New York. Nothing has been heard of the ship's fate until now." Very interesting new info, not heard this bottle message before!! So the coordinates of the wreck site could possibly be around here? 35.2506° N, 66.0982° W
The Naronic , I had almost forgotten about her. I'm glad you help keep these stories alive. They deserve their place in history to be talked of and remembered.
I was in a storm on a car carrier in the English Channel. Roughest I have ever seen. I don’t know how you would have launched an old wooden lifeboat. These seas were probably larger.
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One of the most intriguing tales of a ship and her passengers that strangely disappeared. Two others come to mind: SS Waratah and the MS Hans Hedtoft. Great video as always!
Naronic is a very intriguing mystery to me, the unknowns of stories like this just make my mind wonder about every possible detailwe'll never know. Who did what, what was the cause, etc. It goes for ships like the Pacific or Waratah too. So much that, even as a sort of wish fulfillment but I even wrote a short story about a team finding the wreck of the Naronic in modern times, and learning what sank her. Sadly it seems likely that might never happen in real life, but maybe one day she'll actually turn up and we'll get answers. I have seen theories she might be close to the Titanic too, imagine if it turned out the wrecks were almost in shouting distance one day.
@@Maven0666 thank you, I actually read my rough drafts on CZcams for feedback and to get an idea of what people like and don't with what I write and how I can improve. I do have a dream of actually becoming an author in the future
I believe the reason no one was found, because the ones who were in the boats. Were caught in a snow storm. Hypothermias final symptom is periodical undressing. Where people are so cold they get hot and take off all clothes. If you dont warm up fast, you usually start to spaz. Some great lake ships ha e stories of men jumping overboard from lifeboats after they sunk. Idk if this explains All bodies not being found but could explain alot
If you think about it the answer is straightforward and given in the 2nd message. On Titanic there were many people and most victims were not on the ship when it sank and died in the water attempting to escape which was a plausible outcome if help arrived worth fighting for. The night Titanic sank was also a calm night. In Naronics case there were a only few passengers/crew and it was a storm so severe they couldn't launch lifeboats. Given the circumstances there was no point of trying to escape or even being outside and most crew on the Naronic were likely inside the ship when it sank bracing for the end. Another reason for the survival of Titanics bodies is they had lifejackets on again because everyone was actively trying to escape. In Naronics case most people wouldn't have even bothered. In that scenario hoping to be killed instantly as the ship sinks is probably what these people were going for.
I grew up fishing the Columbia River and the smaller feeder rivers as a kid. I had a Grandfather who lived through the Depression and WW2 to teach me though.
In the picture of the crew, there's a big man with a full beard standing behind the seated captain and 1st officer. He appears to be wearing a whales tooth around his neck....I'd venture to guess he was a whaler at one time. Bet that guy could tell a captivating story or 2.
A guy I went to high school with joined the Navy, and when he boarded his first ship, was amazed at how huge it was....when it got out to sea, he said the ship seemed much smaller...the scale is hard to imagine for those who haven't seen it.... Imagine being out to sea without even a crude spark gap transmitter.... it's the equivalent - almost- of going to Mars now...if something goes wrong and you can't fix it, you're in a major jam. Gotta admire the bravery if those crews ..
Always a wonderful job. Your videos all have the same dark foreboding feeling. It truly sets the mood for a trip back in time. Excellent job. Thank you
IF Naronic sank close to the Titanic, I wonder if we can use the Titanic wreck as a landmark and spread search from there to look for Naronic? Edited to add. The video with the tugboats with the "Titanic?" that's actually the Olympic! The media was wanting footage of the doomed liner, and when they saw Olympic with the tugs, since Olympic was her sister and looked hella close to Titanic, they crossed out the tug's name because it stated that the port was in New York.
You are my favorite channel, I always look forward for every new video! Its exciting to be able to get a comment in the first 1000 so you hopefully can see this! Thanks for your effort and dedication to researching the facts. , awesome work dude!🎉😀
I love putting these videos on while I do homework. They're great videos to put on in the background and I love to dive into the videos about bulk ships on the lakes. Those are my favorite! Thank you for all the work you do on these videos. Keep up the great work!
I feel like I’ve watched a million videos on the Titanic and you’re the first one to ever mention the bit about the Marconi wireless breaking down the night before the sinking and the two telegraph men working to fix it. How different the Titanic’s story might be if that wireless hadn’t been repaired!
Ironically, when they were searching for MH 370, they found a couple of previously unknown wrecks. One was from the 1800s, I believe. I would love to hear a video on that ship... but I wonder if somebody will stumble onto the Naronic someday.
I have to tell you, I love what you do in making these fascinating videos. As a child, I traveled to Europe every summer to visit family. Watching these videos reminds me of those big beautiful ships that no longer exist. Thank you for what you do!
I absolutely LOVE this channel. Your narration is superb, and it will be a shame if you do not use this fantastic God given gift to excel in TV, Movies, or Radio. U have just the perfect voice to do professional voiceover work!! Not everyone is capable of doing such a task professionally- but u obviously CAN! Go forward with it!!
The lack of a search party isn't odd. There was still a prevailing attitude at the time that sometimes ships would just disappear, and that was part of the risk of going to sea. It really wasn't until after Titanic that the idea that safety at sea, recovery of crew and passengers, etc. should be doggedly pursued. Naronic's story, though sad, isn't especially unusual for any ship at all from before the 20th century.
I wouldn't say it was handled with indifference. There just wasn't much you could do. Considering how far we've come with search and rescue technology, communications, and survival, there just wasn't much you could do back then. They couldn't call for help. Lifeboats weren't yet designed to survive in the open ocean. And there wasn't any way to coordinate a massive search effort, even if they had acted immediately. There just wasn't much you could do back then. Considering that we've only recently figured out the cause of sids and you still today have a less than 3% chance of being rescued on the open ocean following a plane crash (which planes are tracked on radar), I'd say they just had to move on and accept that the sea claimed another ship
Hello Mr. Little. No funny stuff on this one. There are too many souls lost. And you are very correct with your comment about the families. I have known of too many M.I.A. situations. Thank You for remembering. Jim Melka
Your commentary is spot on and brings home the fact that ships at that point in time could and did disappear without trace, or much evidence, no matter how well designed, equipped and crewed. Thanks for all the fascinating videos you produce; until the age of 17 I was absolutely determined to join the merchant navy, however meeting a few former mariners put me off…
Very interesting. I have not heard of this sinking before. Wonderful of you to tell the story on behalf of the lost men and create a memorial for them. Great video as always!
If I had to guess what happened to the Naronic, it would be a collision with an ice berg in the storm, a rogue wave in the middle of the storm, both with or without mechanical issues.
Great video as always. I thought we were insane today shipping things like cars and furniture across oceans rather than producing them domestically, but I had no idea that it was cheaper to ship cattle in the 1890's.
I'm new here, and very excited to be here! I love Oceanliners and you've got an amazing voice and presence and i can't wait to watch more! I've loved Titanic ever since she was found when i was 3 years old and yet i've never heard this beautiful and haunting story of one of her predecessors! thank you for an amazing video! now to go binge the rest of them lol.
That’s a forgotten mess of a sinking that had a huge impact on the mindsets of a great many seagoing officers at the time, especially in Britain. It’s unfortunate she is virtually unknown today.
It takes a special kind of person to be a sailor. More so in the days before modern communications technology. Besides being shipwrecked, there were the dangers of being completely lost, falling victim to scurvy and a host of other horrible diseases, and, of course, being captured by pirates; who, by the way, would have been exceptional sailors by their own right. Ships still sink, get lost and fall victim to pirates today. The men and women who brave the dangers of being at sea just so we can all have the conveniences of shopping at stores with shelves filled with products from all over the world are a, regrettably, underappreciated group of professionals. May the Lord have mercy on all those who were lost at sea.
@20:30 I find it a fallacy that no one would've known anything about Titanic's sinking if Bride and Phillips hadn't fixed the Marconi wireless set. For one thing, the company rules stated they should go use the backup set, which had less range but could still reach quite a ways and would've been able to reach an number of vessel in the area since it's maximum range was between 50-200 miles. There would've been no ship-to-shore and vice versa traffic for the rest of the voyage, but that's about it, and likely all passenger messages curtailed significantly as much of it would have to be relayed by other ships. So, with not much else to do, it might actually have the opposite effect: Bride and Phillips aren't severely overworked (as they were trying to catch up on the 6 + hours of messages) and are able to more effectively relay ice warning messages to Titanic's bridge. Thus the critical messages from Mesaba and Californian get heeded and Titanic is either sailed further south or is slowed down.
I didn't know Titanic had a backup system. I believe Bride and Phillips got paid a commission for every 'e-postcard' they sent on behalf of passengers so there was obviously some self-interest in breaching company procedure and repairing it themselves.
@@chendaforest They were the employees of the Marconi company, not the White Star Line. They were operating at the time what was a novelty item, and was not necessarily seen as necessary to the operation of the ship, despite by this time the roles the technology had played in saving lives, as had happened in the case of the RMS Republic in 1909. So their primary purpose was to relay passenger messages for a fee. Some for fun and some for business, and then secondarily, messages relating to navigation and such between ships. All they would do is communicate some passenger messages that they could and probably the rest of the time have passed the time making sure weather and ice warnings got taken to the bridge.
Another awesome video! Love how this one goes into further details about the ship and what may have happened to her. Sadly unless her wreck is found we may never know for sure. Is there anything left to find is another good question because if she sank not far from where Titanic would sink years latter it is likely Naronic’s wreck is being eaten by the same type of rust and bacteria that has been eating away at Titanic.
That ship went down near instantly, otherwise there would’ve been a lot more flotsam. Probably most of those aboard had barely enough time to understand what was happening to them. A rogue wave, which at the time was considered myth, could have taken her under if it hit her laterally. A methane bubble, which many still consider myth, could have killed everyone onboard and sunk her near instantly. I’m sure there are other extremely rare “unthinkable” possibilities.
Where do you find your background music? It definitely adds to the air of mystery and brings an extra level of spookiness to your videos. Great work as always
21:38 I almost forgotten theydid that but still dude that's insane they didn't allow you to try and fix it like wttf I can't imagine if the ship didn't have that thing working!
I would like a comic or TV special drama about this where every theory is technically true. A saboteur onboard, an iceberg knocking up against the hull , and the engine failure throwing a rod through the bottom
I would be interested in what the lost men’s surviving relatives thought about the bottle messages. Surely, had they been authentic, someone would have recognized their loved one’s handwriting or nickname signoff.
The locations of the bottles are all very suspicious. Oceanview, Bay Ridge Brooklyn, and the River Mersey are all on the shores of inland estuaries, essentially upstream of the mouth of a protected body of water, not on not beaches facing the open ocean. If the ship was west of the Gulf Stream when she sunk, it would have been essentially impossible for bottles to cross it and reach the U.S. If she were west of the current it’s possible that bottles could have ridden enough eddy currents to reach NY and Virginia but it seems unlikely in two weeks. The bottle in the Mersey seems the most improbable. Of all the vastness of the Atlantic, the bottle rides the Gulf Stream past Iceland and the Faroes, slips in between Ireland and Scotland, and travels to the southern fringe of the Irish Sea, and then travel up the river where the Naronic was home ported. That’s really asking us to believe a lot. Incidentally when I was a boy I found a message in a bottle at Fort Monroe, just across Hampton Roads from Oceanview. The bottle had been tossed into the Potomac River near Harpers Ferry. I corresponded with the message writer for a while. These days so many plastic bottles wash up on the beach that a message in one would never be noticed.
15:05 the captions say "real company man right there" after the 'piston shooting down through the hull' speculation by another White Star captain. Edited out of the actual narration I noticed lol.
Your video made me consider disaster the forced the shipping industry to create a passenger manifest. Could you do a video on the shipping disaster that started the need for a passenger manifest, and the subsequent disasters that made them more reliable/accountable?
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Hello, I have a question about a piece of music that you have used In a few of your videos, and I have been meaning to ask you about it.
I have comments on both the 5 Lake Huron disasters video, and the Daniel J. Morel video, and I have been wondering about the name of a piece of music used in both of them. My comments have Time Stamps on them, so can you please tell me the name of the music?
@@rottenroads1982 Shazamed it, its called In Frozen Waters by Hampus Naeselius. Hope this helps
It's so strange that Titanic has been so romanticized in media, but yet and another relatively new White Star vessel went down in the same place that's never even been found, nobody's heard of the Naronic.
Ability to tell the story and spread it, honestly.
Not that strange, really. The Titanic was brand new and thought unsinkable, launched with big fanfare. 1500+ people died when she sank, vs 74 in the Naronic. When the Titanic sank, everyone and their mother knew about it the next day thanks to the telegraph, which hadn't been invented at the time of the Naronic.
Finally, and maybe most importantly, how many maritime disasters with at least 100 people casualties can you ( can anyone of us, really ) think of? Not that many probably ( at least for me and the average person, I bet ).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_maritime_disasters_in_the_20th_century
How many of those ( this list doesn't include ships sank by beligerant warships ) does the average person know besides the Titanic? Not many, if none. For instance, there is a ship named SS Noronic ( not Naronic ) that caught fire in '49. more than 100 people died. Did you know about it? I didn't until I went through that list
We only know so much, and remember so much
I don't find it strange for several reasons:
1) Ocean Liners got all the fame and glory. When Titanic sank, she was the newest, largest, and most comfortable ship ever built, going on her maiden voyage. Naronic, meanwhile, was a mere cargo ship, with no records to her name, nothing to wow the general public, and having completed 12 voyages successfully prior to her sinking.
2) After Titanic sank, a LOT happened, effecting, not only those directly tied to the disaster and their families, but the entire world. Many famous people were just.... Gone. The largest, most luxurious liner of its day, sinking on her maiden voyage, was almost unthinkable! Every ship would then be required to have enough lifeboats for all on board, and travel by ship would never be the same again.
As for Naronic, everyone was just crew, and no changes to international law were made after the disaster. Naronic was gone, and that was it.
@@AutismTakesOnAmazingly said!🙏
I agree also when the Titanic sank everything was pretty orderly no fighting for the most part and some heroes it's the perfect story most times when I ship sinks it's craziness and no order
The line "they were simply gone" made me shudder. Thats the whole center of my fear of oceans. Suddenly, you're just gone
The thought of being on a sinking ship in the middle of the ocean, with no way to get help, is absolutely terrifying
Not gonna lie... I'd probably be a little nervous myself.
Not only that. But imagine trying to survive and then see everybody near you disappear below the surface one after the other until you are the only one left and you are already extremely tired and numb, realizing that you don't have much time left yourself, and no ship or boat in sight. How extremely lonely and horrifying that thought must have been.
I am on a patrol vessel in Denmark. A few years back, we had a case of a motorized boat suddenly sailing straight for the coast just outside the town we are stationed in, and when it hit the buttom just a few feet from dry land, it was quickly established that nobody was on board. A huge rescue effort was launched, and by using the navigational equipment on board, it was possible to make an approximate back track of the movements of the boat back to where the last entry had been made in the log.
A helo taking part in the search actually found the occupant in the water, a huge distance west of where the boat ran aground (huge distance in relative terms as the boat had moved on for several hours before running aground since he fell overboard). But having been in the water for many hours, he had somehow managed to stay alive nevertheless, even though he didn't have a survival suit on.
It turned out that he had never given up hope and had spent almost the whole time singing to keep himself from falling asleep. But he also confessed to feeling the loneliest he had ever experienced while knowing that he would never be able to reach the shore by swimming. So seeing that helo in the distance and then realizing that it had spotted him when it turned towards him and began to hover must have seemed like an impossible miracle.
Just thinking about it as a seasoned sailor and rescuer, it gives me deep chills despite knowing that he survived. So I can't even begin to imagine what it must have been like for all those who perished at sea while being the last one remaining out there, and knowing that now (in their final moments before death) there would never be a miracle or a rescue before it was too late. GEEEZ. 🥶🥶🥶🥶
SS Naronic and SS Waratah have always been my favorite ocean mysteries. They not only share a lot of similarities, but also finding the wrecks will be the only key to ever learning their fates. You also raise a very good point that I’ve heard before about Titanic and her Marconi set. Its made me think before, that had her Marconi operators not decided to break the rules and fix the set themselves, Titanic might very well have been lost with all on board.
Kobenhavn as well.
Waratah, my money, flipped suddenly but did not sink right way. Floating for a real long time. Kind of sailing upside down
In that case you may wanna add other mysteries like the Edmund Fitzgerald, Andrea Gail, President, Pacific, City of Boston and Munchen to your list, since they're all also examples of ships that went down without trace (save for Big Fitz ofc) or cause.
Never listen to authority always go with your gut instincts.
706 people survived because Jack Phillips and Harold Bride ignored the rules.
I’ve been binge watching all your videos lately, and just yesterday I watched your first video on the Naronic. You have come a long way since then, your delivery, presentation, and style have all drastically improved. It’s good to see you remake one of your older videos.
But I wish he kept the music and sounds from the original video.
@@merafirewing6591Keeping the music and sounds would be just too Naronic..
Firstly, an amazing documentary. Secondly, what terror & helplessness they must have felt! It’s so sad no one really cared they might be alive. I’ve always had the greatest respect for sailors, even today. But before the Marconi, they truly were a very brave race of men. RIP.
The bottles... kinda believable... since... what else COULD they do?
The ending made me think. For some reason I've always wanted to see a video that works out from the idea of 'what if there were no survivors of Titanic'. Imagine, the only thing they ever found were some lifeboats with frozen bodies. It would be so eerie.
Without telegraph that may have been what happened
Between the tragic facts of the story and your incredible way of telling said story, I could absolutely see someone filming the Naronic as a psychological horror film.
Everything starting normal, maybe a hint of foreboding; some sailors remembering dark stories of shipwrecks past like the SS Pacific. As the days pass, the weather gets worse, the tension builds, the ship's creaks and groans become more poignant. Then, one night, at the height of the storm, an iceberg appears out of the waves, the ship strikes it and begins taking on water. Maybe there's a struggle to keep her boilers dry as long as possible, some forlorn hope that she can be saved. As things deteriorate further, some cowards flee to the lifeboats only to be lost to the raging sea. But as dawn breaks and the storm rages on, it's clear there's no hope for those remaining, only to send a bottle adrift to try and tell their story.
Been obsessed with the Naronic since I was a kid. I had just watched Cameron's Titanic, and was looking up everything I could about the actual Titanic. That led me to a White Star aficionado's website, which had an article titled "What Happened to the Naronic?", which had a very thorough rundown of all the evidence available at the time (indeed, not much has changed since then). That was around 2006 and the website's long since gone, but the curiosity it sparked in me about the Naronic is still with me to this day.
Personally, I think that, even if all the bottles are hoaxes, that they still a version of the truth, that the ship was lost in extremely rough conditions. If I ever had the money, I'd love to set out on an expedition to find it, since no one else is clearly going to. But, until that time, I am content to wait by the shore for any further news of that once great ship.
Just about to catch some sleep before Nightshift... Nah, Big Old Boats upload is more important.
I stay up way too late to watch this channel sometimes. It’s 1:00am before I know it!😂. Up at 5:00am 😢
The voice of a concord airline pilot, the dashing historical pizazz of Dan Snow, the storytelling flair of Jackie Collins….what more could any CZcamsr aspire to? Fair play to you BoB! ❤
I enjoy these stories so much. Your calm demeanor in the delivery also adds so much to the experience. No fake emotions or hysteria. I am so glad I found your channel. I told my husband about it, he is a civilian mariner with Military Sealift Command, a Second Engineer and he enjoys listening to the description of the propulsion systems.
As always, a well documented & wonderfully presented offering of one of the many mysteries of the North Atlantic. Thank you for sharing! This is Peter M; out!
Flaming rogue icebergs, always out for blood!
Another awesome vid 😁 thanks
Dang fire icebergs. How do people not see them with all the fire at night?
Ikr. And the sound they make just before they attack is blood curdling
I am so glad you made a video on Naronic. I have been interested in her story for many years, but we will likley never know what happened to her...
I actually have a suggestion for a video. I don't know if there's enough information out there about this ship, but I'd love to see a video about the SS James C Carruthers, one of the 12 ships lost to the White Hurricane. I don't want to make this comment too long, but I will say that I think you could do a great job reporting on this ships' short history and the mystery surrounding its sinking and the bodies of her crew that were found. Keep up the great work man and, till the next one.. Be nice to people :)
Most channels recommend sending video recommendations through their insta accounts. His is listed on his channels main page :) I think he’d have a higher chance of seeing it there
@@lukycharms9970 Okay 👍 Thanks for letting me know!
Translated from a Norwegian newspaper from april 30 1897.
"A bottle containing a written note was washed ashore on the 2nd of this month at the Wash-Woods life-saving station near Norfolk, Va. The content of the note read:
'Onboard the steamer "Naronic" 500 miles east of Cape Hatteras. Struck by a cyclone and is now in a sinking condition. As we leave the ship in the only remaining boat, we throw this bottle overboard in the hope that it will reach land and tell of our fate. Farewell.'
"Naronic" departed from Liverpool on February 11, 1893, destined for New York. Nothing has been heard of the ship's fate until now."
Very interesting new info, not heard this bottle message before!!
So the coordinates of the wreck site could possibly be around here?
35.2506° N, 66.0982° W
The Naronic , I had almost forgotten about her. I'm glad you help keep these stories alive. They deserve their place in history to be talked of and remembered.
I was in a storm on a car carrier in the English Channel. Roughest I have ever seen. I don’t know how you would have launched an old wooden lifeboat. These seas were probably larger.
Big Old Boats
I have only just clicked the video, but I already know im in for a treat with my dinner tonight.
Much love from Perth, Western Australia. Keep it up mate!
One of the most intriguing tales of a ship and her passengers that strangely disappeared. Two others come to mind: SS Waratah and the MS Hans Hedtoft. Great video as always!
"We spent a lot of time by the river, without actually catching anything".
Sounds like a typical days fishing to me...
Or tinder...
A wise person once said, "fishing isn't about catching fish."
Naronic is a very intriguing mystery to me, the unknowns of stories like this just make my mind wonder about every possible detailwe'll never know. Who did what, what was the cause, etc. It goes for ships like the Pacific or Waratah too. So much that, even as a sort of wish fulfillment but I even wrote a short story about a team finding the wreck of the Naronic in modern times, and learning what sank her. Sadly it seems likely that might never happen in real life, but maybe one day she'll actually turn up and we'll get answers. I have seen theories she might be close to the Titanic too, imagine if it turned out the wrecks were almost in shouting distance one day.
Ah,don’t give up your dreams. They need fresh story ideas. It truly would be auspicious if they did. Godspeed!
@@Maven0666 thank you, I actually read my rough drafts on CZcams for feedback and to get an idea of what people like and don't with what I write and how I can improve. I do have a dream of actually becoming an author in the future
I believe the reason no one was found, because the ones who were in the boats. Were caught in a snow storm. Hypothermias final symptom is periodical undressing. Where people are so cold they get hot and take off all clothes. If you dont warm up fast, you usually start to spaz. Some great lake ships ha e stories of men jumping overboard from lifeboats after they sunk. Idk if this explains All bodies not being found but could explain alot
If you think about it the answer is straightforward and given in the 2nd message. On Titanic there were many people and most victims were not on the ship when it sank and died in the water attempting to escape which was a plausible outcome if help arrived worth fighting for. The night Titanic sank was also a calm night. In Naronics case there were a only few passengers/crew and it was a storm so severe they couldn't launch lifeboats. Given the circumstances there was no point of trying to escape or even being outside and most crew on the Naronic were likely inside the ship when it sank bracing for the end. Another reason for the survival of Titanics bodies is they had lifejackets on again because everyone was actively trying to escape. In Naronics case most people wouldn't have even bothered. In that scenario hoping to be killed instantly as the ship sinks is probably what these people were going for.
Strange after the search for the Titanic, they didn’t stumble across her wreck.
There are great lake feighters near the titanic that haven't been found either
@@carloschristanio4709 Yeah, the Edward Y Townsend lies not far from Titanic
You are not aware of the scale of the ocean
@@asphalatos1 I was in the Navy, so I MIGHT have an idea.
Genuinely so not strange
I grew up fishing the Columbia River and the smaller feeder rivers as a kid. I had a Grandfather who lived through the Depression and WW2 to teach me though.
In the picture of the crew, there's a big man with a full beard standing behind the seated captain and 1st officer. He appears to be wearing a whales tooth around his neck....I'd venture to guess he was a whaler at one time. Bet that guy could tell a captivating story or 2.
I was wondering about that too.
A guy I went to high school with joined the Navy, and when he boarded his first ship, was amazed at how huge it was....when it got out to sea, he said the ship seemed much smaller...the scale is hard to imagine for those who haven't seen it....
Imagine being out to sea without even a crude spark gap transmitter.... it's the equivalent - almost- of going to Mars now...if something goes wrong and you can't fix it, you're in a major jam. Gotta admire the bravery if those crews ..
Always a wonderful job. Your videos all have the same dark foreboding feeling. It truly sets the mood for a trip back in time. Excellent job. Thank you
Practicality, not indifference, likely prevented an organized search of the North Atlantic in those years.
Great video.
The Gulf Stream runs north, and if the ship is north of the areas where the bottles were found, this defies physics.
Sea lions
IF Naronic sank close to the Titanic, I wonder if we can use the Titanic wreck as a landmark and spread search from there to look for Naronic? Edited to add. The video with the tugboats with the "Titanic?" that's actually the Olympic! The media was wanting footage of the doomed liner, and when they saw Olympic with the tugs, since Olympic was her sister and looked hella close to Titanic, they crossed out the tug's name because it stated that the port was in New York.
Thanks for a new one !!!! Ready to see it with a fresh cup of Coffee
Your use of haunting music is especially compelling. Nice work, sir.
I adore this channel, their voice and their work is just so Outstanding, well done my friend
Ocean View, where that bottle was found in 1893, is a beach in Norfolk, VA, only a few miles away from where I live in Va. Beach.
You are my favorite channel, I always look forward for every new video! Its exciting to be able to get a comment in the first 1000 so you hopefully can see this!
Thanks for your effort and dedication to researching the facts. , awesome work dude!🎉😀
Vid starts @ 3:01
Ocean View is a coastal portion of Norfolk Virginia I believe
I love putting these videos on while I do homework. They're great videos to put on in the background and I love to dive into the videos about bulk ships on the lakes. Those are my favorite! Thank you for all the work you do on these videos. Keep up the great work!
I feel like I’ve watched a million videos on the Titanic and you’re the first one to ever mention the bit about the Marconi wireless breaking down the night before the sinking and the two telegraph men working to fix it. How different the Titanic’s story might be if that wireless hadn’t been repaired!
Babe wake up. A new big old boats episode just dropped
Ironically, when they were searching for MH 370, they found a couple of previously unknown wrecks. One was from the 1800s, I believe. I would love to hear a video on that ship... but I wonder if somebody will stumble onto the Naronic someday.
I have to tell you, I love what you do in making these fascinating videos. As a child, I traveled to Europe every summer to visit family. Watching these videos reminds me of those big beautiful ships that no longer exist. Thank you for what you do!
I absolutely LOVE this channel. Your narration is superb, and it will be a shame if you do not use this fantastic God given gift to excel in TV, Movies, or Radio. U have just the perfect voice to do professional voiceover work!! Not everyone is capable of doing such a task professionally- but u obviously CAN! Go forward with it!!
The lack of a search party isn't odd. There was still a prevailing attitude at the time that sometimes ships would just disappear, and that was part of the risk of going to sea. It really wasn't until after Titanic that the idea that safety at sea, recovery of crew and passengers, etc. should be doggedly pursued. Naronic's story, though sad, isn't especially unusual for any ship at all from before the 20th century.
The fact that there are also no known pictures of the naronic is kinda scary
So interesting!! Thanks for posting!! ❤
I wouldn't say it was handled with indifference. There just wasn't much you could do. Considering how far we've come with search and rescue technology, communications, and survival, there just wasn't much you could do back then. They couldn't call for help. Lifeboats weren't yet designed to survive in the open ocean. And there wasn't any way to coordinate a massive search effort, even if they had acted immediately. There just wasn't much you could do back then. Considering that we've only recently figured out the cause of sids and you still today have a less than 3% chance of being rescued on the open ocean following a plane crash (which planes are tracked on radar), I'd say they just had to move on and accept that the sea claimed another ship
What a tragedy!May God have shortened their sufferings,and may they all rest in peace.All brave souls.
Hello Mr. Little. No funny stuff on this one. There are too many souls lost. And you are very correct with your comment about the families. I have known of too many M.I.A. situations. Thank You for remembering. Jim Melka
Your commentary is spot on and brings home the fact that ships at that point in time could and did disappear without trace, or much evidence, no matter how well designed, equipped and crewed. Thanks for all the fascinating videos you produce; until the age of 17 I was absolutely determined to join the merchant navy, however meeting a few former mariners put me off…
Well done. Never knew the story, but knew the name
I'd go more with the piston theory. That would have taken her down quickly dragging everything down with her in the suction left behind.
Very interesting. I have not heard of this sinking before. Wonderful of you to tell the story on behalf of the lost men and create a memorial for them. Great video as always!
Was it common for ships of that era to toss out messages in a bottle if they were sinking or had sunk?
No but it was common for people to lie.
If I had to guess what happened to the Naronic, it would be a collision with an ice berg in the storm, a rogue wave in the middle of the storm, both with or without mechanical issues.
Great video as always. I thought we were insane today shipping things like cars and furniture across oceans rather than producing them domestically, but I had no idea that it was cheaper to ship cattle in the 1890's.
Oh, would you look at that. Just in time for the Project Britannica VHS horror series!
A Polish friend of mine tried fishing in the UK. He thought the fish he caught were tasty. He didn't....
Love this channel! The stories are always so well and respectfully presented. Thank you!
I do hope the ship is found one day, sadly I know its likely an expedition will never be done.
If it is found, I suppose it will be accident or chance. Either way, I hope it happens.
I'm new here, and very excited to be here! I love Oceanliners and you've got an amazing voice and presence and i can't wait to watch more!
I've loved Titanic ever since she was found when i was 3 years old and yet i've never heard this beautiful and haunting story of one of her predecessors! thank you for an amazing video! now to go binge the rest of them lol.
May those who lost their lives that day Rest In Peace.
I’m curious what the “general cargo” was. Finished goods?
I hope the wreck is found someday. Perhaps we can get some answers. It might be in relatively good shape if it's in the same area as the Titanic.
When someone starts sending out drones to systemically scan and map the sea floor, lots of stuff is going to start getting found.
How am I now just learning about this ship.
Very well done! Your videos are so interesting and just fun to watch...always captivating and leave us wanting more!!!
Bovine revenge...
Bull s… 😂😂
Another great video, respectfully suggesting La Bourgogne to potentially be covered?
That’s a forgotten mess of a sinking that had a huge impact on the mindsets of a great many seagoing officers at the time, especially in Britain. It’s unfortunate she is virtually unknown today.
We just love your channel! I'm a dedicated land lubber but I enjoy every story you share.
Thank you for your excellent video documentaries.. So interesting, full explanations, great images, I really enjoy watching them.
It takes a special kind of person to be a sailor. More so in the days before modern communications technology. Besides being shipwrecked, there were the dangers of being completely lost, falling victim to scurvy and a host of other horrible diseases, and, of course, being captured by pirates; who, by the way, would have been exceptional sailors by their own right. Ships still sink, get lost and fall victim to pirates today. The men and women who brave the dangers of being at sea just so we can all have the conveniences of shopping at stores with shelves filled with products from all over the world are a, regrettably, underappreciated group of professionals. May the Lord have mercy on all those who were lost at sea.
@20:30 I find it a fallacy that no one would've known anything about Titanic's sinking if Bride and Phillips hadn't fixed the Marconi wireless set.
For one thing, the company rules stated they should go use the backup set, which had less range but could still reach quite a ways and would've been able to reach an number of vessel in the area since it's maximum range was between 50-200 miles.
There would've been no ship-to-shore and vice versa traffic for the rest of the voyage, but that's about it, and likely all passenger messages curtailed significantly as much of it would have to be relayed by other ships.
So, with not much else to do, it might actually have the opposite effect: Bride and Phillips aren't severely overworked (as they were trying to catch up on the 6 + hours of messages) and are able to more effectively relay ice warning messages to Titanic's bridge. Thus the critical messages from Mesaba and Californian get heeded and Titanic is either sailed further south or is slowed down.
I didn't know Titanic had a backup system. I believe Bride and Phillips got paid a commission for every 'e-postcard' they sent on behalf of passengers so there was obviously some self-interest in breaching company procedure and repairing it themselves.
@@chendaforest They were the employees of the Marconi company, not the White Star Line. They were operating at the time what was a novelty item, and was not necessarily seen as necessary to the operation of the ship, despite by this time the roles the technology had played in saving lives, as had happened in the case of the RMS Republic in 1909.
So their primary purpose was to relay passenger messages for a fee. Some for fun and some for business, and then secondarily, messages relating to navigation and such between ships.
All they would do is communicate some passenger messages that they could and probably the rest of the time have passed the time making sure weather and ice warnings got taken to the bridge.
@@Starshipsforever Yes i know all that
Another awesome video! Love how this one goes into further details about the ship and what may have happened to her. Sadly unless her wreck is found we may never know for sure. Is there anything left to find is another good question because if she sank not far from where Titanic would sink years latter it is likely Naronic’s wreck is being eaten by the same type of rust and bacteria that has been eating away at Titanic.
Sad story it's unthinkable being in that situation rip to those lost good video as always
Chills . holy shit gave me chills and its hot as hell in here
That ship went down near instantly, otherwise there would’ve been a lot more flotsam. Probably most of those aboard had barely enough time to understand what was happening to them. A rogue wave, which at the time was considered myth, could have taken her under if it hit her laterally. A methane bubble, which many still consider myth, could have killed everyone onboard and sunk her near instantly. I’m sure there are other extremely rare “unthinkable” possibilities.
Where do you find your background music? It definitely adds to the air of mystery and brings an extra level of spookiness to your videos. Great work as always
21:38 I almost forgotten theydid that but still dude that's insane they didn't allow you to try and fix it like wttf I can't imagine if the ship didn't have that thing working!
who sighs “no time to say more” you had time to write that.
Wow. This one really fucked me up. It's so sad. Thanks for yet another great video
Yaaaaaas I love ghost shop stories
@BigOldBoats I love all your videos, but I live the old version of this video more than the current one.
I would like a comic or TV special drama about this where every theory is technically true.
A saboteur onboard, an iceberg knocking up against the hull , and the engine failure throwing a rod through the bottom
New video from my favorite channel
I know there's a very, very remote chance of finding the wreck. But hopefully one day it will be and all unanswered questions can be finally answered.
Much 2 deep but maybe1 day.
Please please please do a video on the Edmund Fitzgerald!
Your mom is a real one for taking u fishing
The bottles only showing up after the news broke is what makes their authenticity suspect.
And the locations.
I would be interested in what the lost men’s surviving relatives thought about the bottle messages. Surely, had they been authentic, someone would have recognized their loved one’s handwriting or nickname signoff.
The locations of the bottles are all very suspicious. Oceanview, Bay Ridge Brooklyn, and the River Mersey are all on the shores of inland estuaries, essentially upstream of the mouth of a protected body of water, not on not beaches facing the open ocean. If the ship was west of the Gulf Stream when she sunk, it would have been essentially impossible for bottles to cross it and reach the U.S. If she were west of the current it’s possible that bottles could have ridden enough eddy currents to reach NY and Virginia but it seems unlikely in two weeks. The bottle in the Mersey seems the most improbable. Of all the vastness of the Atlantic, the bottle rides the Gulf Stream past Iceland and the Faroes, slips in between Ireland and Scotland, and travels to the southern fringe of the Irish Sea, and then travel up the river where the Naronic was home ported. That’s really asking us to believe a lot.
Incidentally when I was a boy I found a message in a bottle at Fort Monroe, just across Hampton Roads from Oceanview. The bottle had been tossed into the Potomac River near Harpers Ferry. I corresponded with the message writer for a while. These days so many plastic bottles wash up on the beach that a message in one would never be noticed.
Very interesting, thanks from Canberra AU.
I love your content it’s just so awesome.i love How much effort you put into them every day
15:05 the captions say "real company man right there" after the 'piston shooting down through the hull' speculation by another White Star captain. Edited out of the actual narration I noticed lol.
Your video made me consider disaster the forced the shipping industry to create a passenger manifest. Could you do a video on the shipping disaster that started the need for a passenger manifest, and the subsequent disasters that made them more reliable/accountable?
Yay. I am so happy for this new one.
Excellent work! Love ya