Was That Who We Think it Was? - Acolyte Season 1 Eps 8 Reaction
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
- Jay and Adam react, review, riff, and rate the eight, and final, episode of season 1 of The Acolyte.
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You ever hear…the Tragedy of Darth Plagius the Wise?
Was the tragedy that he first appeared in live action on this show?
I never knew the tragedy was he was put in a terrible show as his first live action appearance lol
I thought not, It's not a story the haters would tell you.
Yes, shame it was on this mess.
Ask Anakin about his Thesis.
I really appreciate the positive energy in the reactions but also holding projects accountable for their flaws. #1 reason why these guys are my favorite reactors.
I'm thinking the problem is also wanting something different than what is in their face. They (and other reactors) are asking questions that is very obvious. Adam asked why they didn't lead with people in the government not trusting the Jedi. Because it was playing on the preconceived notion that the Jedi were good and that Mae had to be the evil twin. I mean we see from the beginning that she only wanted the responsible Jedi. It's also seen in their confusion at Osha's "character flip". There was no flip because that was her from the beginning. I don't get people's confusion of this show...
@@heathjones5362 they also have the most realistic takes (postive and negatives to say)
@@jinxie712Nah, the problem is bad writing. It took them 8 episodes to get me to care about any character outside of quimir, who i only care about becauseof the actor playing him. If you reorder some of these episodes and make it so every "mystery" wasn't extremely obvious, the show would've been alright
@@jinxie712 People are mostly confused about where the $180,000,000 went. Not the writers, clearly.
Plagueis showing up like "Why isnt this show about me?"
Thank god it wasn't though
Psst this show has likely been given a second season and like most non limited series season one is meant to set things up
The show wasn't great but some people are totally irrational with the hate. So they changed ki adi mundis birthday? Heresy
@@logan3093 there's alot more stuff that they did wrong don't ask me to say examples but the hate is for a reason there's a long long list of why it was terrible
@2_Slow_4_05 I'm with you, I'm not talking about the constructive criticism, but 13% on rotten tomatoes? That's ridiculous. I would definitely put this above book of boba fett, and maybe kenobi if I ranked the shows. It wasn't that bad. Doesn't mean I liked it or that it was great. It was just meh. It was made by a real star wars fan, like her or not. She is knowledgeable about the eu and Canon, and talks to fans for long amounts of time about star wars. But because of her politics and her willingness to be open about them, the show was doomed from the start. I remember a year ago, all the hate the show was getting. Just because she said some wacky stuff in an interview. I have problems with the pacing, story, and acting. But I can still enjoy star wars.
@@logan3093that the review bomb from toxic fan
The reason all 3 couldn't escape together on Qimir's ship is because it's a Sith ship....only 2 seats, no more, no less.
Qimir holds grudges and would still kill Mae for her betrayal. Also, they are two sides of the same person. If one channels the Light, the other channels the dark.
@@marshsundeen I think you mean Dark.
@@MrBrock314 yes. Thanks.
The way that Jay fought like hell to not say that girth joke but just couldn't resist 😂
Also Han Solo has said that exact line of “Then I’ll see you in Hell” in one of the movies before
Empire - on Hoth, when he went looking for Luke.
Exactly. One kinda loses some nerd cred for not knowing/recognizing that famous line from Empire.
"hell" was used twice in ANH, first by Uncle Owen when he asked Aunt Beru if she had seen Luke and at the end of the conversation he said "Well he better have those units in the south range repaired by midday or there'll be hell to pay." Then again when they were rescuing Princess Leia when she grabbed the blaster from Luke to shoot out the grate Han asks her "what the hell are you doing?"
I believe they also used ass in TLJ, but I know for sure they used ass in some of the High Republic books bc it stunned me when I was reading them😂
The sigh from Adam as the episode ended was the most relatable
I felt it!!! 😂
That sigh sent ripples through the fabric of the force, and resonated with everyone who watched this show
To knock him back that far with a kick the force must have been coming out of his feet!
Indeed. I look forward to sharing that with Jay when we get back to Rebels.
@@pReviewd Soon? Jay's gonna love season 3.
Kinda like Luke kicking that trooper on the sail barge 😄
Han Solo in empire strikes back says “I’ll see you in hell” 😂
Uncle Owen says "There'll be hell to pay." in A New Hope.
@@Kazuhiroaka I remembered the Han Solo line but forgot about the Uncle Owen line.
Star Wars: A New Hope
Leia- *blasts a hole in the lower wall of the detention center hallway*
Han- “What the HELL are you doing?”
Leia- “Somebody’s gotta save our skins. Into the garbage-chute, flyboy!”
Yeah, looks like someone forgot that info. 😂
Thanks because I blanked on those previous lines and started raging lol. It was just poorly delivered
That cut from the legs impacting to the sabers impacting was very well done.
Listen to the music when you see Plagueis..its the same as when palpatine was telling anakin the story of darth Plagueis the wise
Han Solo says “then I’ll see you in hell” in Empire Strikes Back
Goes to show Leslye is a hack with no originality.
@@ericp1139damn. I'm gonna have to write a ticket for how fast that goalpost was moving.
@@ericp1139kind of like… star wars in general? There are famous quotes by george lucas about this and how its SPECIFICALLY supposed to be circular. Its almost like either yall dont understand star wars at all or youre just sadboys with no lives who decided you hated the show because women wont talk to you as much as yall think you deserve.
so i mean take your pick.
@@ThirdStreetJesus what goal post?
@@100Companions source?
My favorite line from this episode... "E tu, Basil?" lol
The way Adam kept going on about the lightsaber and thickness, I just couldn't stop watching to see how graphic he was going to go. The hand movement, the words, but Jay came in and stopped him before it got too x- rated. Lol. Gave me a good laugh. 👍
Pros of this show: choreography, qimir, sol, and the ideas.
Cons of the show: the execution and wasting trinity
This was yet another example of a show that needed at least 12 episodes to properly tell the story, some shows just don't work with short seasons, they feel very rushed.
Plagueis sneaking in to solidify a second season because you CANNOT leave that unexplored.
Yes, yes you can. Especially if it's going to be as weak as season as this one was.
Sure you can just skip to 50+ years before I and do the Plagues noval in movie form.
@@nerdwatch1017speculations on whether or not this is the beginning on Plagueis’s novel. As the planet they’re on resembles where he killed tenebrous at the start.
@@nerdwatch1017 the novel has to be canonized as it currently isn't canon.
Nah, I think leaving that alone will be perfectly fine.
13 questions for the professionals:
1. Where did Indara get her second mark on her face and why?
2. Why did Bazil sabotage Sol's ship?
3. How did Mae get to Qimir?
4. How exactly were Mae and Osha created and did Darth Plagueis have anything to do with it?
5. What happened between Vernestra and Qimir?
6. How and why did Osha leave the order?
7. How did Torbin become a master in a short time?
8. What does it mean to dissolve into black smoke?
9. Did Vernestra tell Yoda the whole truth and how could not a single Jedi in the Order see through her lie?
10. How did the Senator know about the dead Jedi but Yoda didn't (he didn't even feel it)?
11. What happened to Mother Koral?
12. Was Sol also blamed for Master Torbin's death? There were witnesses on Olega, as Torbin was already dead when Sol arrived at the temple!
13. There were also witnesses to Indara's death. The bar owner saw Mae kill Indara. How could Sol have killed her if he was on Coruscant at the time of the crime? And why doesn't a single Jedi care what happened to their colleagues?
7:33 So New Rockstars explained why the lightsaber hilts are so thick. A) to show it is of an older time than the prequel era but b) practically production now uses led lights as opposed to CGI and now the battery packs are within the hilt since it can’t be concealed as easily. Ahsoka’s battery packs were technically in her costume.
it's not because it's an older time, its just lore that they had switched to chunky mass produced battle sabers due to their war wiht the nihil. prior to that we've all seen their sabrrs that were pieces of art
Doesn't make much sense considering I have a movie accurate lightsaber with a neopixel blade that is battery powered and it didn't need a thick hilt.
On the plus side, this show will make for quite an interesting episode of Fix It!
Edit: ....I was thinking in like six months. Not twelve days later.
I’m really looking forward to how the boys decide to remold the material of this show. I think there’s an “easy Fix” for it, and than there’s a more extensive fix in rewriting the whole of the plot but keeping the actors.
I also want see all the bean facts that took place in creating the Acolyte, because seriously, what the hell happened here.
I was thinking that too.
Pretty sure Basil sabotaged the ship because Sol had a lock on Mae and was about to kill her. Basil works with the Jedi...he's not going to want to see a Jedi commit murder.
Yep, Sol was struggling with his emotions.
So happy Basil survived
It could also be since in Episode 6 when Sol stunned & restrained Mae, he turned off his ship's transponder, that in itself could be related to either illegal activities or breach of protocol. Bazil was right behind Sol and realized his changed behavior, since that time I suspect that he made the assumption that Sol had gone rogue. Bazil seemed to be loyal to the Jedi, so anything out of the ordinary and he'd immediately be snitching & sabotaging Sol.
That's quite a reach. Ultimately it comes down to bad writing with this series. Very little of it made sense.
Sol was turning off and on his beacon, so Bevel knew he was rogue from Coruscant. Bevel is employee of Coruscant and stopping rogue
So I agree with you that pip seemed to be one of those clues that was hidden right in front of us. The scenes that pip was in and he's making noises seem very mundane, until the very end when they had to show him being turned off. I believe that he recorded everything that happened
How could you not know the tragedy of darth pleagus
Is Pleagus a relative of Darth Plagueis?
@@wraith1701 Eh, his older brother. Could have been a Sith first, but ended up going into tax law instead. Real tragedy.
Plagueis @@wraith1701
At least spell his name correctly.
@@galmorzu so he was more evil...
Completely agree with the evaluation. This series HAD something... they just never got me to a place where it felt like anything was earned
You know, there was an entire group of people asking about that 'Hell' comment on Twitter and it was the rage-baity crowd whipped up into a fervor and it's like we suddenly forgot Han Solo in Empire Strikes Back.
I’m more worked up because it’s plagiarism
@@atari1994 plagiarism of other works in the same franchise? guess the senator should be sued for copyright over that "May the Force be with you" line
@@atari1994 Plagiarism?
Or Owen saying "if he is not out on the south ridge by ... there will be hell to pay"
@@atari1994you sound like the Typical internet fans these days,complaining about simple things. Plagiarism? May the force be with you or I got a bad feeling about this or many other things that are quotable in star wars. It's like people can't enjoy anything anymore.
This story was a Star Wars version of a Cardassian Enigma Tale:
Bashir: "The problem with Cardassian enigma tales is that they all end the same way. All the suspects are always guilty."
Garak: "Yes, but the challenge is determining exactly who is guilty of what."
The show's pacing/structure was hurt by the episodic format, but I'd still be curious to watch a Season 2.
I appreciate your positivity. While this show wasn't my favorite it still had things that I loved. I also appreciate when people don't go straight to just all out negativity. Seems to be a lot of negative vibes throughout CZcams right now
Yeah, there's so much good stuff in this season, but a lot was lost by the short run times, episode breaks and weekly release format. So many people had questions over stuff like Mae's motivations when spread out across 3 weeks that they probably wouldn't have had if they had watched it in a 1.5 hour movie where the format would have made those connections far more obvious if only by proximity alone.
I had the same reaction with the memory wipe scene but then I remembered how complicated and expensive it is to shoot one actor playing two characters in the same scene
That was definitely HIM
I jump off my couch when they showed him.
I nearly dropped my bowl of popcorn when I saw him 😂😂😂
Have you ever heard by chance…The Tragedy of The Acolyte? A series with incredible actors, immersive set and costume design, and is said to have introduced other force sensitive cultures that could cheat death and even…create life. Sadly, it was struck down by its own poorly structured story and inconsistent character arcs. It was consumed by its own iconic character cameos, and baiting the audience to tune in for a sequel season to find out information that could have fit within this fist one’s narrative. The Jedi never told you of the Acolyte? Strange…Why would the Jedi cover things up. Acts of Deception are tools of The Sith.
All theatrics aside, I do appreciate how you guys always took the time to point out the good in this series, while holding it accountable for the bad. The cast and crew worked so hard on it, and it is very hard when the end result is a devicive series that had all the right stuff to work…just put together wrong. I’m extremely critical of the Acolyte (among many other Star Wars releases), but that’s because my biggest frustration with it is how it has all the potential in the world to be incredible. The same feelings I had toward Episodes 7, 8, & 9.
My problem is that a lot of the pitfalls and traps The Acolyte fell into, it had no business falling into. It's a high-budget show, you can afford script supervisors and people who check lore and logic repeatedly to catch things that don't make sense. It's got the same budget as House of the Dragon or Fallout - it should be equal quality.
I feel like one of the few people who really enjoyed this show. It wasn't perfect. I have my critiques. Fallout, X-Men 97 & Shogun were all better shows this year.
But it was good enough for a 7 out of 10. I'm looking forward to season two. Hopefully there is one.
If there somehow is a second season, Plagueis, someone in legends who ran medical/Force experiments on his "dead" master trying to create a means of immortality through the force, it'd be real bad if he was able to get his hands on Osha and Mae and could make for some real horrific stuff
On the other hand, if Osha and Qimir find the "vergence" that Sol was looking for, perhaps the theories that Anakin was created by Plagueis would be correct, having perfected the secret to creating life.
So this series is a lore dump. The twin story is a plot device to show it. This is basically the story that leads to the prequels. She brings it to light in the previous episode about their downfall. The senator also mentions them not having oversight and doing what they want under the guise of a religious group. I think this series shows how the Jedi become closer connected to the Republic as seen in the prequels. This whole thing came down because the Jedi have the arrogance to think they can do whatever they want. The Jedi are the same as the Sith. They just wear a flower crown to look safe.
Also, why is it that people see the Jedi as the good guys, but want them to delete everyone? Bazil stopped Sol from shooting Mae because he's a Jedi. Osha stopped Sol from offing Qimir because he was going to do it out of anger. He's already emotionally compromised because he keeps forming attachments (something else that might start coming into play from this point on).
Plus, Plagueis is watching this go down, thinking making a force baby is a dope idea.
Except the Jedi are not the same as the Sith. Ask George Lucas. He designed them as polar opposites.
Qimir wants to kill Mae the compromise was Osha training with him so he would only erase her memory. Jedi Erasing memories is a big plot point in KOTOR
To me, I don’t see the point in making a deal to “wipe her memory card to save her life” when osha just killed a Jedi…killing a Sith to save her sister and actually be with her again after all these years (instead of literally losing her again) feels like a way more probable choice for her to make.
@@JonathanMartinez-ei4up Except she's not strong enough to take Qimir - at least she's not supposed to be. Part of the problem in this show is it constantly undercutting its own (or previous) logic.
Had Qimir not just lost to Sol, it would've made more sense.
Sol was allowing his anger to overtake him during the chase scene with Maia and was about to blow her outta the sky. Thats why he pulled the tracking system out of the wall.
He was more likely going to ram her ship which may have killed her so Basil stepped in.
@@AlbertoMartinez765 If only we knew Basil's intentions....
The reason why the hilts are thicker is because the sabers have LED blades which require battery packs & the battery packs are inside the lightsaber hilts themselves, giving them their thicker appearance. Cannon wise, it is explained that it was due to the advancement of technology.
Basil messed with the ship bc he thought Sol would kill Mae after aiming. Sol had emotions that was leading him down the wrong path..
I'd prefer if started Knights of Ren & had Qimir, Mae, and Osha.
But Sith carry Rule of Two
Except there's three...Plagueis, Qimir, Osha. So, I guess the Rule of Two only applies to master/apprentice but you could have thousands as long as they don't know about each other.
Just a reminder that ACAB includes the Jedi
The only things I liked were Sol vs Qimir, seeing the "bleeding" of a kyber crystal in live-action, and J'onn J'onzz/Martian Manhunter saying what he thinks of the Jedi.
Overall I enjoyed the show but felt it was seriously undercooked. If there’s going to be a second season, there needs to be a different show runner and some major tuning up. Plus Amandla Stenberg needs to be allowed to actually act and show her range.
Agreed. I enjoyed it more than Boba Fett (if you exclude the last 2 episodes), but it’s still a bit flawed
Ok. Hire the choreographers to be a part of every project that features Lightsaber battles from now on and hire better writers for future movies, Lucasfilm. Because, in terms of writing, this was all over the place. And not even the way the prequels were.
You people complain too much
@@daurydavis3983 Look, I wanted to appreciate this series without complaining much about it. I was one of the people who liked The Book of Boba fett. Problem is, when Lucasfilm is capable of doing things better than what's currently presented, you have to criticize. Even Adam and Jay were not completely satisfied with how this turned out.
@@daurydavis3983 This show earned its complaints. I'm not going to make excuses for a show as expensive as House of the Dragon to have the quality of a late run CW show. Bad writing or logic gaps are to be expected when the budget is low but that's not a thing for high-budget productions. This has 2/3 of the budget of Force Awakens and Force Awakens has far fewer gaps. People complained vehemently about the Rey vs. Kylo fight and that's about it.
@@MrBrock314 nah
They have realized that The Acolyte is a series where the Sith are placed as the good guys and the Jedis are the villains, the corrupt, technically the ones who have done the most damage. I just discovered it
I'm not gonna lie, after the tiktok of the little boy singing "HOTDOGS, one dollar and fifty cents" I love that Jay did it with ACOLYTE.🤣
Bazil sabotaged the ships blasters because Sol was going to shoot down a fleeing enemy, which is not the Jedi way
Well, he sabotaged a BIT more than the blasters, but yes.
That's pure speculation. We can't pretend to know what a Jedi sniffing gopher who can't talk is thinking. The poor writing of this show is what is ultimately wrong with that scene. No explanation on that or so many other of the plot holes.
Bazil's stopping Sol from firing on Mae and possibly killing her because Sol is acting out of anger here, he isn't thinking rationally.
Crazy how this show paints Jedi as the villains of the galaxy, which completely goes against what George created them as. SMH
@@DRFOP It paints them as individuals who can make mistakes and have flaws, as the PT did and as the OT did. Not once are they shown as “evil”, except at the end when the blame is shifted to sol, and we know he wasn’t truly evil.
@@DRFOP Even in the Prequels, it is established over the course of the war that the Jedi as an institution has gotten arrogant. They consider themselves to be the only "correct" way to interact with the Force, Jedi have unchecked authority to test and take force-sensitive children (destroying cultural Force traditions), and they unofficially insert themselves into Republic business without any input from the Senate. They think they've got everything figured out and that their way is the best way, as long as the populace would just get out of their way. They're still, generally, a force (pun not intended) for good, but they're flawed and it is those very flaws that lead to their undoing.
That's pure speculation. How are we supposed to know what a Jedi tracking gopher who can't talk is thinking. And the fact that the writing for this series was so poor that people have to fill in all the blanks like this just goes to show how bad it all is.
@@DRFOP cause they showed sol locking on and then basil seeing it and stopping him? Lmfao
The Acolyte has been the most frustrating Star Wars show for me. Whereas Boba Fett and Obi-Wan were low-quality the whole way through so you knew what you were getting, Acolyte kept showing glimpses of cool ideas and great choreography that were constantly dragged down by Prequel-level bad writing and dull pacing.
That said, they get kudos from me for not killing Manny off. Star Wars loves killing off great villains way too early, so I'm glad they avoided that.
This episode has a lot of good moments but I really like Plagueis reveal I don't know hardly anything about the "LoRe" but that little scene got me excited for something we will probably never get
I’m sorry y’all didn’t enjoy the show. I definitely loved it (especially the finale, which was one of the best D+ finales so far, in my opinion) and can’t wait for a season 2 announcement.
Darth Peekaboo the Wise
I think this is one of those rare times where I get to be 100000% on board with literally every word you said after the episode.
i enjoyed the episode, but i do love yalls reactions
What Adam says about the thickness of the saber is fair, but there’s both an in-universe reason for it (the tech hasn’t quite been as miniaturized yet as it is in later eras) and a practical, production reason: the way they do the sabers on set is different now. Instead of CGI’ing in the blade like they used to, they now have practical blades that extend from the actual hilt and provide light (to give more natural lighting in shot comp terms) while they’re shooting, and the technical realities of these practical blades mean they necessarily have to be bigger
Ya there’s a battery in the saber instead of a battery in their sleeves basically
@@rantalmore right, because they don’t want the costuming to be limited to long sleeves and such
They need to go back to CGI’ing them. Using LED toys is possibly there dumbest decision Disney has made in a long, long line of bad decisions.
@@davidmcleod5133 nah
@@davidmcleod5133 You could spend like 5 or 10 minutes learning about shot comp and lighting if you wanted to. I promise, it’s really easy
Too little too Aco-Late
*finger guns*
Sir, the door. This way
100% agree with Adam. There is good story in this. What the show lacked was execution. I can't tell if it was all in the writing, or if some fault lies with the editing and directing. I wonder if there were scenes that would have added more context and motivations cut. I really hope this gets a 2nd season and allows the team to learn and grow shd hopefully put out a better product. The cast definitely rose above the material and gave solid performances throughout. As always, great reactions and insight.
"Well, he'd better have those units in the South Ridge repaired by midday, or there'll be hell to pay." - Uncle Owen, Episode IV: A New Hope 1977.
I will be waiting for an upcoming episode of Fix It on this series.
Even though I love Jay's rating "system" sometimes I really want to know Adam's rating ...
I love how the both of you are objective with your review and not like are other youtubers who had the attitude "OMG THIS IS THE BEST SHOW OF SW EVER!"...
Thank you for being objetive guys. ❤
In regards to Osha killing Sol being out of character. When Mother created them, they became like the poles of a force magnet with young Mae being dark side and young Osha being light side. As the series has progressed they did a gradual pole shift, because they have to stay balanced.
Mae started drifting away from the dark side as her need for revenge lessened, when she found out Osha was still alive. At the same time Osha drifted from the light side, when she found out Mae was alive, because for 16 years Sol told her that Mae killed their mother and now Osha finally had a target for her anger.
All the information was in the series, they just didnt flat out tell us the conclusion, we had to piece it together. Now is that good or bad story telling? I think that comes down to the viewer.
my problem is why do the twin plot at all? Why not condense the show to be about Qimir getting revenge on the Jedi for whatever bullshit he had to put up with as a padawan and center the mystery around which Jedi was Qimir's master. Make us think it was Sol because he was sent to stop Qimir when really it was the green chick. The twin plot sets up nothing but confusion. I like when stories are confusing or leave things to implication or personal interpretation and I agree with what you say here about how the twins were opposite poles that gradually shifted through the show. But why make so many choices obviously designed to either break established canon, lessen the impact of established canon characters, or just piss off the already toxic fandom. I don't understand why the writers would want to bring themselves that heat in the first place.
Also, as an aside, I think Amandla is a great actor. I've seen her other work and I think she does a good to great job most of the time. But she's young and very much not a character actor. Trying to play the twins here doesn't work because she seems to be the exact same person as both twins which makes it incredibly hard to tell them apart when they're in scenes together especially when they switched clothes. I get that they were "the same person split into two bodies" but that doesn't add up when they stopped living essentially the same life. Once they separated, they would have developed differently, would have gained different traits, would have reacted differently to different situations. Playing them the exact same way the whole time just makes it less believable and that's annoying.
That's a lot of speculation for a show that did not attempt or succeed at explaining... anything.
The scene with Basil sabotaging the shuttle confused me, too. Only coming here did I see commenters saying Sol was about to kill Mae -- I genuinely thought he was targeting a grapple or tractor beam or something, and Basil for some reason wanted to prevent Mae's capture. I don't think the show set the proper tone (be it with music cues, a longer closeup of his face, or whatever) to convey "Sol has snapped and is about to COMMIT MURDER."
The commenters are literally speculating. How is anyone to know what is going on in the mind of a Jedi sniffing gopher who can't talk. This is another check mark on the bad writing of this show.
You don't need to get that close to tractor beam so NO he wasn't doing that, it looked like he was going to Ram her ship Basil worried that SOL may accidentally kill Mae stopped him.
@@AlbertoMartinez765 Mae literally killed two Jedi, I don't think the death penalty is out of the question. :)
@pReviewd That was Darth Plageius. Palps old Master.
Who, during this time, should maybe be a teenager at most... but who cares about anything canon anymore... SMH
@@DRFOPquit whining
@@DRFOP I haven't read his novel. I honestly had no clue what his age was. I'd figured with him being an alien, they have a longer lifespan and this is set 100 years before Episode I, right?
@@DRFOP Plagueis's age has NEVER been said in CANON.
Darth pleagus
The"..what?" @ 12:59 really resonated with me
If there was ever a project for a Fix It episode…
Yes, structure! That, I believe, would include episode length as well as directoral symmetry. I can understand having a separate action director, but why have that director run an entire episode. And the dialog needed to be flushed out.
But even with all flaws, I like this series, and I hope to see more. Fyi, I think that was Darth Plagueis in the shadow.
I mean, Mae and Osha are the same person, right? Split into two. So I don't mind the swaps in their feelings.
I don't think it's even a conscious thing for them either. Them being a singular entitiy of the force split in two, means that one always has to be light and one dark. Mae lost her reason for being dark, thinking Osha was dead, but Osha gained a reason because for 16 years Sol told her that Mae killed their mother and with Mae alive, Osha had a focus point for all her hatred
When Adam said this was the final episode of "Season 1", I became irrational, because there should not be a season 2.
Wax on... Wax off guys!!!! You are doing your best to make this show medium...they really need to scrap this project. Thanks guys.
I so agree with you guys. There is a story there to be had but the whole need to set up further seasons left most of the mystery too much for too long so that when they start paying it off it almost comes off as phony. I think the Senate oversight guy would have been better used earlier in the first episode to give stakes. Then you have the reason why the Jedi lower lights are hiding everything from the council.
I think I would have probably placed this farther back in the timeline to give yourself cover from the Plagueus people. Then the "canon" breaking stuff would have been easily dealt with. I dunno maybe they wanted to set up an off shoot baddie group to challenge the sith but who knows. Headland and company set themselves up for a difficult task and could not land it.
The GIRTHY hilt is primed for Disneyland merch! The official Disney hilts from Galaxy’s Edge are always so thick. 😅
Sabers are thick because of two reasons.
1. In lore, the jedi went to war with the nihil and switched from their custom art piece sabers to chunky mass producible "battle sabers" this is still present (the prequels do show a slight return to customization)
2. in reality, its because theyre using actual fx sabers now and the batteries are in the hilts
Does the ‘big fight’ in this episode remind anyone else of the fighting in the Last Airbender movie?
David Harewood showing up was the most enjoyable thing in the entire episode.
what I am seeing from these reactions:
1) OMG I saw this coming it sux
2) I don't understand why that happend so it sux
So, guess just not winning?
So after thinking about this finale for a while, I've come to the conclusion that the one structural change that would have been absolutely necessary for this show to reach its potential is: Make Sol explicitly the protagonist. Open the first episode with him and Jecki hunting Indara's killer. Don't even introduce Osha until the second episode. And focus on how Sol's tragic flaw drives all of the events of the story to the inevitable conclusion of that lightsaber turning red.
Mae already failed as his apprentice...he was literally going to kill her until Osha made a deal to go with him and memory wipe her.....are you even paying attention? lol
Ya know, I LOVE your criticisms. They are actually logical and coming from a place of honest review....vs the toxic side I have seen going around. You praise the good stuff, knock down the bad stuff, but don't get all craycray about it!
Also, not sure if this is out there or if this would be a spoiler, but they have started filming Season Two, which takes place in Jacksonville as Darth NomNom goes into hiding with his new apprentice.
Then he changes his name to Jason Mendoza, who, in a leaked bit of scriot, changes his path and decides:
"I don’t want to be a DJ in Jacksonville forever. I want to DJ in Daytona, Tallahassee, Tampa even. I want it all."
basil stopped the ship to keep sol from risking both their lives. . .Sol was being blindly reckless with both their lives flying thru that mess
He was literally targeting Mae's shuttle and was about to open fire.
Sol failed to keep Coruscant fully informed, turning off ship beacon, and letting Osha steal half the ship. And bevel realized this guy has gone crazy time to wait for his bosses...
I feel your frustration, Adam...
I don’t care what people say I just enjoyed the show yes it had its problems but I had fun the choreography was great you can’t deny that. I almost lost my shit when I saw HIM, not Yoda but the other guy. Season 2 please and the issues can be fixed
I'm with you. I liked it more than most. 7 out of 10. It could have been better but I really enjoyed it. I really hope there is a season 2. My guess is that it will be even better.
It was ….. dire
"fun choreography" is not what make a show good or even watchable. The writing was bad, the stories didn't make sense, it broke canon often, the actors felt disinterested in many scenes, and the amount of contradiction with Mae and Osha in every episode was painful. Wanting a season 2 so it can "fix" the issues of season 1 just shows how bad it really was. Hell, a second season could easily be worse.
@@DRFOP The light saber battles were some of the best I've seen any Star Wars property. The writing was good not great. The story made plenty of sense. I had no issues following it anyway. I thought the acting was good. A few were really good. Since I only gave it a 7 out of 10 that definitely leaves room for improvement but it was already good.
What were the contradictions with Mae and Osha in every episode? I didn't see any but maybe I just missed them
Similar with the "broke canon often". First I don't consider any books or videos games canon. But if they broke the canon often from the movies or TV show I'm all ears.
I've heard some stuff about Anakin's birth but I'm unclear what is canon. I always assumed he had a dad but who it was never revealed. I know what his mom said in episode 1 but I've always assumed she lied or didn't remember due drugs or a memory wipe. But even then I don't know how Osha and Mae's birth broke canon. It's very possible that the people from the Skywalker timeline never new about the events of this series. And this is onlypossible canon issue that I am aware of.
Even though I saw episode 4 in the theaters when it was originally released in the 70's, I feel like my Star Wars knowledge isn't very good compared to other fans.
I can say with my entire being your reactions to The Acolyte entertained me way more than The Acolyte.
Osha and Qimir go to White Castle would go hard
Every reveal in this show is handled completely backwards. Green lady says "You're alive!" in surprise when she sees Smileo Grin, but that isn't a surprise because as an audience, we have zero context; we don't know who he is or that green lady knows him or thinks he's dead. And just about every reveal has been like this. In episode 1, we get the "Your twin sister is alive!" reveal before we are even told that she had a sister. Every single episode is just the audience playing catchup to things that characters already know. In a story like this, it's better if the audience knows at least as much as the characters what's going on at any given moment.
And like you said, things would be a lot more impactful if we actually knew the characters!
Qimir was apparently Vern's Padawan.
He's got lightwhip scars on his back. She carries a lightwhip.
So, she failed to kill him whenever she whipped him.
@scotthewitt258 OK, so, what would have helped me out is if there was some sort of indication early in the series that Vern had a padawan that she thought she had killed, so that when he showed up and she said "I thought you were dead," we would have something to refer back to. There seems to be an awful lot of "I thought you were dead"s happening in this series.
About the hilt looking too big at one point, they used to just have metal poles stick out of them so they could fight, and add in the lightsaber color later. Nowadays, they have them actually light up on set, so that the light coming off of them is natural, so they need to make room in the hilt for all the electrical components
You must've missed the invention of these tiny new lights called LEDs. You can light up a house with the power of a toothbrush.
I love your frustration!!
One thing this series could have benefited from: Longer episodes!
Those 30min episodes were way too short to really flesh things out. But other than that I enjoyed the change in feel from the other Star Wars content.
A story telling technique dan involve misdirection.
Scream killing the most well-known star, who featured prominently in the publicity in the first scene.
Even before that, Hitchcock showing us a "lead" character for a great deal of the first half of a movie, onlybto suddenly kill her off.
There's a campy sci-fi B movie that follows the crew of a ship for the first act, only to kill them and introduce a whole new crew, to catprry on the main story.
We saw Mae killing two Jedi with ZERO context as to why. "She must be a villain." Then we find out the Jedi were part of a group that killed her entire family.
Osha is introduced as an "innocent" twin to the "evil" Jedi killer. Because the Jedi are light, and goodness, and honor, and justice.
Then, Osha is the one who falls into the Dark.....
You're not wrong, but if you don't lay enough groundwork (be it extra context, foreshadowing, whatever), the twists can feel unearned. IMHO each episode of this show should have been at least 50% longer to set up all these twists and character turns.
11:23 Basel heard everything in episode 7. He didn't trust Sol anymore, and wanted to stop him. That's why he still helps the Jedi. He just doesn't trust Sol at all.
Not sure Basil can be trusted either.
Man this show blows but you guys are awesome love watching these with you
I agree with you guys. The eight episodes 30-35 minutes hurt this show so much. I always viewed the twins storyline as the weak point of the show. Thought if Qimir and master sol were the leads trying to find out how these two twins were created would be more compelling then seeing their backstory.
But again as you said, there is a good story to be told but it feels bogged down by these 8 episode seasons.
7:41 about the hilt, it is apparantly a technical limitation on the saber being fully wireless but having more A/V controls. No in-universe reason, but The More You Know
Well, more primitive tech versus a hundred years later could be an in-universe reason.
I thought the In-Universe reason was because their Sabers were used to activate the weapon systems in their Vector starfighters at least they were in the novels
@SundanceGames maybe? I didn't know that. I just remember reading an interview where they said it was the technical limitation and they had to make do. It's a nice thing to add a lore reason though
Vernestra sees it as her job to protect the Jedi.
She did a bad job of protecting Sol considering she knew Qimir was a problem and had never warned him.
thank you for not having a fit even though you were disappointed (and understandably so). This was a very strange show to watch. great ideas and concepts. not confusing directing, strange acting (speaking specifically concerning Mea) etc.
The issue with this show plain and simple came down to the writing and leaving unanswered plotholes or key points as cliffhangers for S2 is just lazy. It never showed and tell. It was one or the other. We don't know how Qimir found Mae but we know that he wanted the twins for the power of two. We never got a name drop for Plaguies so casual people watching have 0 fucking clue who he is in this episode. Mae and Osha being witches played LITERALLY 0 role in the whole show.
Jay's face moments before "You can't handle the girth?" comment. Brilliant. Also, I agree. There's a lot to love about this series, but it went out of its way to make us feel distant from the characters.
whole season of acolyte
1,2: good....
3: ???
4: what the f-
5: dope
6: 🤨
7: oh.....now i get it
8: dope
Appreciate the positive accountability. I was only here for the story...and a Wookie Jedi... and a Trinity Jedi.😂 oh well, on to the next!!
I had the same question on why Basil disabled the ship when watching it. While watching your reaction, I realized Basil stopped Sol from killing Mae, I presumed he was trying to get a tractor beam on her ship but I think he was going for the kill. It's not clear though and that is part of the structure problem.
Again, I preface this by saying, I generally adore both of you and will always come back to watch your content... but I think you both got this one incredibly wrong. That, however, is my opinion and you are, of course entitled to yours. For me, the behaviors of Mae and Osha made an incredible amount of sense from even just the one-sided history we got in episode 3. They aren't different people, they're a split single soul. Their personalities are fractures of the whole. As for the structure of things, to me, they showed us the groundwork for exactly what Martian Manhunter laid out directly, and I enjoyed finding out the little bits as we moved along in the story.
Oh, and I think Basil sabotaged the ship in the chase scene because he assumed Sol was going to shoot her down and he didn't want that to happen. I don't think he would have been aware of Sol needing her alive, he just saw him setting up to shoot and acted. Kind of the way Sol saw the girl's Mom turning into smoke and then Mae turning into smoke and assumed it was an attack and just reacted.
I was connected to the story from episode one. Loved the saber fights and the Jedi martial arts. Found Sol very compelling, even in his short-sighted arrogance. And, found the sprinkling of lore elements to potentially continue the story beyond this point to be fulfilling... come on... Plagueis, a saber whip, force witches, YODA!
This show had some of the coolest lightsaber fights I've seen. The story and characters were just all over the place. The twins were confusing the hell outta me. Their moods were all over the place. This wasn't good star wars. But I still kinda enjoyed it
I’m more and more convinced the common problem with D+ shows are the run times and episode count. Nearly every flaw in this show is all due to the pace they need to go and leaving out significant character development.