How I Breed Golden White Cloud Mountain Minnows
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- čas přidán 13. 07. 2019
- If you’re looking for information on how to breed White Cloud Mountain Minnows you’ll find numerous videos on this topic. They all say breeding is easy, but it took several attempts for me to get a reasonable amount of fry. Golden White Cloud Mountain Minnows are hardy fish that supposedly breed readily without a lot of fuss, but my attempts took a bit more attention and effort than others claim. For example, it’s frequently said that White Cloud Mountain Minnows don’t eat their fry but I’ve never been able to get a reasonable amount of fry without hatching them in a separate tank. The fry of Golden White Cloud Mountain Minnows are very, very small, but with the right food they survive and mature without a lot of effort. Despite the setbacks, I’ve gotten a lot of joy and satisfaction from breeding Golden White Cloud Mountain Minnows and I recommend them as an excellent choice for anyone who wants to explore fish breeding.
Dude, your voice is so calming. I could listen to you talk for hours XD
Funny thing, I'm a voice coach by profession lol. czcams.com/users/voiceandspeechfeatured
@@jaymiller3238 Wow, that explains a lot. I might actually give those a listen sometime
This was exactly the video I was searching for! I just picked up 4 Golden White Clouds myself, and will be getting more to start a breeding colony. Thank you for being so detailed and open with your experience.
You're so very welcome, and thanks for the comment. Good luck with your breeding project. It will bring you a lot of joy in the end.
It's awesome your efforts paid off. Must be a great feeling to raise fry
Yes, it is! I just started my second round of breeding, early this month, and spotted the first fry this week. It's just as exciting as it was the first time.
This video is fantastic! This aesthetically pleasing, minimalistic, and straight to the point video is so refreshing! The pace is perfect. Everything you say is informative and it makes the video stand out because it’s refined AND entertaining without having to resort to constant jump cuts or clipped meme “reactions” to add to the entertainment value. I can enjoy a jump-cutty video that relies more heavily on “cheap” entertainment because who doesn’t like joke references etc? However, this is just a refreshing video style we don’t see too often on CZcams anymore.
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Wow, what a nice comment to read after a long stressful Friday. Thanks so much. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Intresting video, defnitly helpful! Keep up your good work. The Details really helped. Thanks.
You're welcome! I'm glad to hear it was useful for someone.
I applaud your commitment, I love White Clouds
They are wonderful fish, aren't they. Now I've got too many lol.
Thanks - I found this very useful. I am about to venture into breeding ZD's and our situations are basically the same, I can see patience was a huge factor in your success and your diligence. You got the rewards for not giving up. Well done!!!
Thanks! Good luck with your project. My third round was not as successful as the second. Three fry SMH.
What a really enjoyable video. Your voice made it much more pleasurable and i watched it until the end.
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it.
Very useful video! Thank you for that. I am looking forward for more similar videos on white cloud breeding. Keep it up!
You're welcome. Round 3 wasn't as successful (3 offspring) so I'm trying the throw'em in a heavily planted tank and let'em go at it approach lol.
Really enjoyed the footage & narration. Beautiful tank full of GW's.
Thanks!
Amazing job! I love that you went through each step with as much used information as you could provide. I recently added 6 wcm to my community tank. Guess I don’t expect to see fry any time soon! 😆
You never know. I don't think my experience was/is typical, and of course there are so many variables. I just bought a dozen standard WCMM and they've produced over a dozen fry before they're even out of quarantine. I removed them with a brine shrimp net and placed them in a separate grow-out tank. Good luck!
Thanks for all the information ✌️
Good advice. Thanks for sharing
I have 6 white cloud mountain minnows...bought about January time. I did a water change recently (not a lot) and thought I saw a "leaf" floating around the bottom of the tank. After a few days this "leaf" turned out to be a fry and he also had 3 siblings!!! They are doing well and the other fish don't bother them. They hide in the moss growth.
I was so excited to see them but I am not on any breeding plan with them, it just happened! No special feeding or transferring them. They are lovely and orange now and growing.
Thanks for your lovely video...
That's a great story! WCMM are known to be hardy and prolific breeders so it doesn't surprise me. Enjoy your growing family.
Love the White clouds we keep them as well I just Subscribed great video thanks
Excellent video, thank you for the information
You're welcome! I'm glad it was helpful.
This is fantastic! Thank you for sharing! New Subscriber!
Thanks! Glad it was helpful. And thanks for the subscribe.
A very nice scape bro. Thank you for sharing
You're welcome.
I have 4 minnows and just yesterday I seen one tiny fry in my tank 👌
Congratulations! There's nothing like spotting new fry, a pleasure I've been denied for the past couple of months. Hopefully you have something to feed it or plenty of natural food in the tank. Good luck!
Jay Miller thanks brotha !
Very nice looking tank.
Thanks! It's showing it's age at this point. The substrate is depleted and the plants aren't as vibrant. It's probably time for a re-scape but I can't figure out what I want next.
Nice video. Thanks for the info.
You're welcome. I'm glad you liked it.
very interesting
I loved this video thanks for sharing
You're welcome!
Very interesting, I'll have a go!
Good luck with it!
Lovely planted tank!
Thank you!
nice video and informative!
Thanks! Glad it was helpful.
jeez your aquarium looks amazing what plants do u have at the back right of it. thank you!!
Thanks! In the back right corner is Hygrophila siamensis 53B. czcams.com/video/cz3Rw7-jdv8/video.html
Thanks for the video George in uk 👍
Great job!!!
Thanks!
wow thanks! I have a heavy planted 20 Long with about 22 gold minnows, and was thinking of doing the same thing
You're welcome, and good luck!
@@jaymiller3238 hey Jay! I took the minnows and put em in an established planted 10 gallon for a week or 2 and then put them in another 20 tall...
a few days later i thought I had masquito larva in the 10 gallon, but it was 100's of fry: cramping them down and stressing them out really got them breeding. the fry are now a week old and eating first bites, ground flake, ground pellets, and frozen baby brine. doing well
Wonderful! I have a tank of 4 WCMM & enjoyed your video. Maybe, just maybe, there will be a baby fry or two!
If you have some males and females, plenty of plant cover and gentle filtration you could get lucky. Fingers crossed.
I never even thought of my wcmm genders, then last week 5 fry appeared in the tank and I was so happy. Then 4 more fry just the other day. Now I will be breeding more 🤣
Congratulations! It's so satisfying to see the babies arrive.
I just may try your suggestions for raising white Cloud Mountain Minnows, Thank you!
You're welcome, and good luck. Mine aren't being very cooperative at the moment. And to think that two years ago I couldn't get them to stop breeding lol.
I wasn't trying to breed, but have a natural planted aquarium. I've seen breeding behavior in the past, but the other day, I had a single fry swimming around. The only food I had ready was normal fish food. I ground up the food until it was extremely fine, and it seems to be displaying eating behavior. I started a brine shrimp hatchery, but it takes a couple days.
Unexpected fish babies are always exciting. You did the right thing, so good luck with it.
Did you ever do a video on creating a planted tank? I'm unsure on what type of substrate to use. Im not interested in those small black pellets.
Not precisely a video on creating a planted tank. I have a video on the plants in my tank czcams.com/video/cz3Rw7-jdv8/video.html and a video about the substrate czcams.com/video/a3h_j6Cp5io/video.html. For better information there are CZcams channels devoted exclusively to planted aquariums. I follow George Farmer, Green Aqua, and The Planted Tank to name just a few.
I love the video, what is the big stem plant on the right side of your fish tank? Thanks :)
Hygrophyla Siamensis 53B. Here's a video describing my plants. czcams.com/video/cz3Rw7-jdv8/video.html
@@jaymiller3238 thank you very much
Hi,
I have had WCMMs for four or five years.
I have five outdoor ponds/containers with them and one aquarium indoors.
Never have I been able to get any fry produced in the aquarium but they breed like flies outside!
The indoor fish are the most pampered and best fed--due to propinquity more than anything.
From my experience, the fry don't require special feeding...I always have plenty of algae and supplement that 2-3 times a week with some flakes etc.
I would like to see your video on infusoria though because i try to give the fish some variety....they seem very partial to dried shrimp!
I really want to try breeding them outdoors. I just can't figure out how to make the containers raccoon-proof.
@@jaymiller3238 Jay,
Could you not devise some kind of cover,mesh perhaps,to keep them safe at night?
I don't have raccoons etc to worry about here on New Zealand so never gave it a thought.
I ran some green,plastic mesh under the surface in one outdoor pond a few years ago when the neighbours had small children....not ideal but doesn't interfere with the fish.
( some kind of lid for nights only would be more aesthetically pleasing!).
I have a heavily planted tank (like the first one you showed) and I use a strong canister filter with a sponge prefilter on the inlet to prevent anything from getting sucked in, I see them spawning everyday yet I haven't seen a single fry... Any suggestions? I wonder where all the eggs end up...
Probably in the bellies of the adults. The strong filter might still be a problem, even protected with a pre-filter sponge. My display aquarium has a canister filter and I've never seen fry in that tank, ever.
If you plan to spawn and hatch in the same tank, without removing the parents, there needs to be something on the bottom protecting the eggs from predation by the adults, marbles, large gravel, thick plant cover, etc.
Maybe most importantly, there has to be dense plant cover to protect the fry at the surface. I had best luck with floating hornwort, but I'm sure other floating plants could work.
In my 10-gallon breeding aquariums, with sponge filters, java moss on the bottom and a thick mat of hornwort on the surface, the propagation literally got out of control. I eventually had to pull out all the males and move them to the display tank. By that time, I probably had 400-500 juveniles to deal with. What a mess! lol
@@jaymiller3238 Thank you for the good information! yes the filter is so strong it creates so much surface agitation I doubt any fry could even survive the current at the water surface. I would need to set up an exclusive breeding tank with my sponge filter if I want to see fry. I believe the fry swim at the surface to get oxygen once they hatch
Great video! No, it’s not that easy, but your efforts paid off.
They did that time lol. My latest attempt yielded only 3 fry SMH.
Jay Miller I’ve got 15 fry and counting in my indoor pond, and have decided to keep them in floating baskets enclosed in stockings/pantyhose within the pond. The fry seem to do a lot better when kept in their original environment. I’ve got another 5 pregnant fish which is a total surprise to me. I do think that they love water currents, hiding places, java moss and java fern. Not exactly sure what the secret is. Will be interesting to se how this lot goes.
@@hayosmusic You're obviously doing something right. How deep is your pond?
Jay Miller Around 35cm deep. It’s a 200 litre pond. I do notice that they really enjoy the current in part of the pond. I think somehow it imitates their natural environment and has something to do with encouraging breeding. That’s my theory anyway. Your tank looks fantastic. I love it.
@@hayosmusic Thanks! I've been wondering if I should drop the water level in my breeding tank.
👍👍 kudos 👏
Usually raising the water temperature will cause them to breed more. Unplug the heater in winter and plug it back in around spring. They will be laying eggs every 4-5 days.
Thanks! I give it a try.
At least that works amazing for fatheads lol I heard white cloud mountain minnows don't need a heater because they usually spend majority of the time in like 50 to 60 degree water. But I'm not sure it's true. If that doesn't work put them on a 10 hour light cycle for a couple months then put them on a 12 to 14 hour light cycle and that should start them breeding like crazy.
I found the video great 👍 I'm going to give it a crack
Thanks! Good luck, and have fun.
@@jaymiller3238 Had them spawn today, had a lot of eggs. They didn't spawn into the mop so much so I put them into another tank. Ive got two small tanks about 30 litres side by side. I've put the temperature at 25 Celsius.
I'll see how many I can get to hatch! I'm not sure if I've got enough infusoria though. I dumped some water from my outdoor ponds into jars and now they're full of moving things in various sizes.
I let them breed outside in a 125g tub. I started with 12 and ended up with over 50. This can only be done during the summer and I enjoy them and watch them grow out in the winter
Wow! Where are you located and what do you do with the offspring? It must be incredibly satisfying to quadruple your population over one season. I wish I could try the tubbing option, but I've got raccoons that would wreak havoc on an outdoor tub.
Jay Miller I keep them in my forty breeder. I live in Virginia
Outside there’s unlimited food and plants grow nice and thick. This provide coverage for fry. I don’t even have to feed when I throw them outside. When they are inside, I feed fluval bug bites. The bug really excites them.
@@vb2377 Hey, neighbour! I grew up in Maryland. Long time ago. So what happens to the 50 offspring?
Jay Miller they are in my forty breeder.
1:57 where did you get the infusoria?
I cultured it myself. It takes some planning ahead. czcams.com/video/Qba7bPHn1fU/video.html
Hey,we’ve talked before.I’m in Saint Augustine.I have a 40 Gal Stock Tub,with White Clouds.There doing well.If you set up a Stock Tub with them,Use Gallons of Spring Water .Buy power sand from a Aquarium Store.Rinse out sand,to get dust off.Set up sand,before adding water.Set up Power filter,and Spoung Filter.Add a cup of Aquarium water ,because it has all the Natural Bacteria.Run a week.After a week,buy 3 White Clouds,and place them in.Add some Rocks,and Live Plants.
Thanks for the clear instructions. Do you place your tubs in sun or shade?
@@jaymiller3238 get some Deck Umbrella to cover sunset up Stock Tub with Sand,Plants,Then Use Spring Water.Run a week,with Spoung Filter,and Power Filter.Add cup of Aquarium water,to get natural bacteria.,
I have tried to make infusoria but I can get it to work
I can relate. My own experience with infusoria has been very hit and miss. My current batch doesn't seem to be doing much. I doubt there is a sure-fire method since there are so many variables in the process.
Is a 10g tank too small to keep WCMM? I have a 10g with only a nerite snail in it at the moment.
I breed and raise them in 10-gallon tanks so I think you should be fine with good filtration and water changes.
@@jaymiller3238 Thank you
How to different male and female? I have one golden white and it seem pregnant since the belly getting bigger.
I'm not great a sexing them beyond looking for bigger bellies on the females and sparring behavior between males. I know there's a difference in fin shape but I can never keep it straight. Maybe someone can help out here.
What were you feeding the adults?
A mixture of dry, frozen and live foods. But the moment, I'm not feeding frozen or live food because I've got too many fry, so I don't want to encourage spawning.
Are you going to cull them and try to breed certain traits?
That was my original intention until I realized I don't have room for all the tanks needed to separate each generation and gender. So I just saved five of the most colourful offspring for my display tank and sold the rest.
What's your pH? I would like to breed my WCMMs, but I'm not sure if my tap water will be right for it. My water is less hard than yours, but my pH is 8.
I should know that off the top of my head, but I can't remember. At the time of this video, it was probably between 7.5 - 8, perhaps. Over the past year, I've been lowering my pH to 7-ish for breeding Pygmy Corydoras, and my White Clouds do get the same water.
@@jaymiller3238 Thanks. I'm going to give it a try regardless. Modifying tap water can be a pain, so I'm going to see what kind of success I can get with straight tap water before I start messing with it.
Please share making of hatching mop
Thanks for that great suggestion. Until I get around to that, you can search for and find lots of existing videos about how to make spawning mops. It's pretty simple, but if you have any questions, let me know. I'm happy to help.
@@jaymiller3238 my another question was do the parents eat their Fry's like other fishes I have a jungle tank without mop but lots of moss and dense plantation with shrimps
What did you do with all of your fry.
I kept five of the best for future breeding and sold the rest to my local fish store.
Would love to know what plants you use !
The plants in my display aquarium are described in this video. czcams.com/video/cz3Rw7-jdv8/video.html For breeding I use java moss or yarn spawning mops. Do you breed fish?
Awesome.. no I actually have 3 beautiful (not sure what kind , but they are all yellowish/cream color and one is bigger than two of them) that survived a turtle and have a whole tank to themselves.. they keep fluttering and dancing close so I just thought.. maybe they will breed ? I have bamboo in the tank so it has a lot of roots.. but I would love to have all live plants growing with them
What's a spawning mop?
Those clumps of green yarn you see at 00:55. Think of them as artificial bushes where the fish can deposit eggs. Once the eggs have been laid, the mops can be easily removed before the parents eat the eggs and placed into a separate hatching tank.
I have white cloud minnows since last 2 months. My few fish got black dots running from stomach till tail. Can somebody please tell why the black dots come? Is it sign for sickness? It is because of wrong food or some kind allergy?
Without seeing a picture I can only guess, but my own fish seem to develop some black coloration as they mature. I'm not a fan of that look, but I understand some breeders actually select for that trait. You might visit the channel of WhiteCloud Dynasty to get more experienced feedback on this question.
@@jaymiller3238
czcams.com/video/bsHObDK1Zfw/video.html
Please check this video at 0.55 second exactly same black marks are on my fish.
@@jaymiller3238
As per your suggestion I have wrote same query to WhiteCloud Dynasty. Thanks for recommendation.
Any update on how your breeding?
My September attempt wasn't very successful, only three offspring. I tried using java moss in spawning dishes then moving the dishes to the hatching tank. Now I'm going to try spawning in a 10-gal with marbles on the bottom and heavy planting, leaving the eggs to hatch in the same tank as the adults. All that moving back and forth was tedious and not very productive. I don't know, maybe my adults have super powers for finding the eggs and eating them.
@@jaymiller3238 have you try just breed with 2 pair? Marble are nice too but I hate when uneaten food fall in and fungus up.
@@WhiteCloudDynasty You're right. I just have marbles on the spawning side of the tank where the plants are. The other half of the tank is bare bottom and that's where I feed. Not a perfect solution but I think it will work.
What temp is the tank set at?
Room temperature. I don’t use a heater for White Clouds.
How to tell difference between male and female
Adult females are slightly larger and have more rounded whiter bellies. Males are more brightly coloured, streamlined in shape and will engage in fin-flaring behaviour with each other. Males supposedly have fan-shaped dorsal and anal fins while females have more triangular fins, but I've never been able to spot that difference for myself.
@@jaymiller3238 thanks
I have a 20 gallon with minnows and different fish and I have fry all the time and I don't do anything I just let them be.
Yeah, it really does seem to be that easy for many people.
I feel like this is a video about John Malkovich breeding fish.
I want some.
If you're in the Toronto area I'm happy to make some fry available when they're old enough to sell.
@@jaymiller3238 Thanks but I live in he US.
As young, how can you tell if female or male? (Just watching video now btw)
I can't tell until they're several months old. #WhiteCloud Dynasty might be able to give you some better advice.
Jay Miller thanks !
I had 1 success on breeding. I had 5 fry at one point yet only 2 manage to reach adulthood. The 2 grew up and have mated with the other fish. They bred again but none survived. The two that survived were unexpected; I temporarily housed the mountain clouds in my tank of scrap plants and the fry somehow survived by eating the algae and whatever else in the tanks.
That's cool you managed to raise two fry without a lot of fuss. I find that if I can get them past the first week or so they're pretty easy to grow out but if I don't do frequent water changes then I'll lose a few.
It's probably a good idea to outcross golden white clouds with wild colored ones to maintain genetic diversity of this color morph.
It would make for an interesting and important video in the regards to improving the breeding ethics of fish.
Hi jay can you please help me with my wcmm breeding
I have 10 at present 5 gold and 5 standard
I set up a 10 gallon breeding tank but it has guppy fry in
Im using weighted guppy grass clumps as spawning media
As yet ive had no spawning activity
So im feeding adults with quality frozen daphnia at present
Hi, Kevin. You should post that question to the White Cloud Mountain Minnow Facebook group. You'll get a much broader response to your question and Blong Yang is way more of an expert on WCMM breeding. I still consider myself a beginner. facebook.com/groups/1806088469645255/
They do eat their fry, I've watched them do it with my own eyes. Been keeping and breeding White Clouds for years.
And here I thought I was crazy. Thanks for sharing your observations.
@@jaymiller3238 Maybe just crazy about fish ;)
@@jaymiller3238 The fry tend to swim up near the surface ---so plant cover helps keep them safe from the adults below.
I usually have tadpoles in my outdoor tanks--they appear perfectly compatible.
Guppies are way easier ... only down side is over stock tank in no time
Yeah, I've recently been thinking I should try breeding live bearers and set myself up for success.
Snails???
I'm sorry what's the question?
The snails will start the water cycling process so the tank can become established
Probably took a while cause he was stuck in a cryogenic chamber