Do repressive systems produce greater literature? George Steiner, Joseph Brodsky, Mary McCarthy 1982

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  • čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
  • Extract of a discussion chaired by the poet and critic, Al Alvarez. Entitled ‘Art - Repression and Freedom’.
    Professor George Steiner argues that a greater literature is forged in the shadow of censorship, repression and persecution than in the freedom of the West, insisting that our libertarian, commercial world in fact corrupts writers and inhibits the writing of great literature. His views are countered by poet Joseph Brodsky and novelist Mary McCarthy. First 20 minutes of a 50 minute programme. The opening graphics make for a nice period piece.
    Directed by David Crossman.

Komentáře • 36

  • @sibengerard1856
    @sibengerard1856 Před 3 lety +6

    Thanks for posting...This is a Jewel...The intelligence of all Four.

  • @akiva7774
    @akiva7774 Před 6 měsíci +1

    These programs were on Channel 4 in its first years. Look at the state of it now and Steiner's diagnosis of the trivialisation of culture was clearly correct. - It would be a good thing for C4 to post these Voices discussions online.

  • @husseinm.4723
    @husseinm.4723 Před rokem +3

    Such a pleasure to bask in their erudition.

  • @light1908
    @light1908 Před 2 lety +5

    Fantastic! And heartbreaking that it cut when it was really heating up. Nevertheless, thank you for uploading what you had.

    • @juantorres90
      @juantorres90 Před 2 lety

      My God! I was building up at that point and then it got all cut out in a second!

    • @actaeonpress
      @actaeonpress Před 2 lety +1

      It's on the Channel 4 website, but I can't figure out how to download it. Maybe someone from UK can, or with a proxy.

  • @sacredsoma
    @sacredsoma Před 3 lety +6

    damn this was so good
    where can one find the rest? I love Steiner's voice even when he gets carried away

  • @mayk89
    @mayk89 Před 10 měsíci

    Amazing! Thank you so much for putting this document to our disposal.

  • @juantorres90
    @juantorres90 Před 2 lety +5

    Brodsky: "A poet is, in a sense, like a bird. Starts to chirp on no matter what kind of branch he alights. Literature is much older and more inevitable a phenomenon than any state and it's going to be that way".

  • @DEWwords
    @DEWwords Před rokem +1

    I love the way McCarthy is directly in his face about his huge assumptions.

  • @filcat13
    @filcat13 Před 2 lety +8

    If only they would let Brodsky speak more. He comes off as deeper and more interesting than Steiner who sounds pretentious and self-important.

    • @AlgebraicAnalysis
      @AlgebraicAnalysis Před 2 měsíci

      His hypothesis betrays his pseudo-intellectualism lol

    • @j.c.o6333
      @j.c.o6333 Před měsícem

      I love Steiner but he takes up way too much time in the beginning and doesn’t open up for a dialogue with the other guest. It’s actually crazy the host let him ramble for so long.

  • @fungalbob
    @fungalbob Před měsícem

    George Steiner looking fresh here

  • @lucianotomaz6895
    @lucianotomaz6895 Před 2 lety +4

    "a great writer, in fact, doesn't need History", Brodsky (19:58)

    • @DEWwords
      @DEWwords Před rokem +1

      Well, that's too woo woo for me... even if it is Brodsky.

    • @edwardsamokhvalov6720
      @edwardsamokhvalov6720 Před rokem +1

      well, he might be right that a great writer does not need history eventually, but making a great writer requires quite a material.

  • @abelromero8967
    @abelromero8967 Před 3 lety +7

    Steiner is too constrained and formalistic in his argument. You can't generalize about the quality of Eastern vs Western art especially when those categories themselves aren't essential or even well defined. Wish the artists had spoken more in this conversation.

    • @DEWwords
      @DEWwords Před rokem +1

      He's inexact, actually. It's a long list of hasty generalities wedded to questionable heroic straw figures

    • @edwardsamokhvalov6720
      @edwardsamokhvalov6720 Před rokem

      way too formalistic!

  • @d.mavridopoulos66
    @d.mavridopoulos66 Před 7 měsíci

    Great fragment. Too bad the remainder is missing.

  • @prasantbanerjee8199
    @prasantbanerjee8199 Před 2 lety

    Great debate. Incomplete. Alas.

  • @waynesmith6784
    @waynesmith6784 Před 3 lety +6

    Mc Carthy and Brodsky have the advantage of being artists as well as intellectuals who have been actively engaged in the arts and politics of their time; Steiner, who, face it was less gifted than either has the disadvantages of having had a relatively cloistered life with a captive audience of students.

    • @juantorres90
      @juantorres90 Před 2 lety +1

      As a note to your comment: in one of his last interviews, Steiner declared that the work of the smallest artist will always be far more important than that of the best critic.

    • @KnowNothing-wt3ks
      @KnowNothing-wt3ks Před 3 měsíci

      @@juantorres90 I think Hero of a Thousand Faces is more important than Rebel Moon.

  • @brucellowayne4853
    @brucellowayne4853 Před 3 lety +3

    7:21 anyone know who this philosopher was?

    • @freeri87
      @freeri87 Před 3 lety

      A.J. Ayer?

    • @brucellowayne4853
      @brucellowayne4853 Před 3 lety

      @@freeri87 yeah, could be. Men with differing tolerances of profundity, it must be said...

  • @foofkanon
    @foofkanon Před 3 lety

    Hey major what year mate.

  • @nmaurok
    @nmaurok Před 7 měsíci +1

    George Steiner telling Brodsky and Mary McCarthy that they largely exaggerate the mysteries of writing - the nerve!!

  • @edwardsamokhvalov6720

    There is definitely an elephant in the room that everyone (all 4 of them) tries to ignore while still keeping the conversation flowing. Did anyone feel this?

  • @williamstuart9486
    @williamstuart9486 Před 3 lety +2

    4 very interesting people talking. Terrrific. Is the rest of the show lost?