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The "replacing the swastica with the youtube symbol" practice should be followed by other history-youtubers
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why besides demonetization?
@@evenlord7825 because it shows the state of censorship that plagues the platform.
It has been a thing since 2017 alternative history hub done it alpng time ago.
@@danieltsiprun8080 he's really (probably) one of the pioneers of the idea. But the trend isn't followed by the likes of cynical historian, K & G, also armchair historian.
"A fool is the man who, when arrested by the Secret Police, says sheepishly: 'Me? What for?'"
Who said that?
Solzhenitsyn. I'm quoting from memory though, but I know he states something similar in the Gulag Archipelago, Chapter I - "The Arrest"@@oscarlundberg7462
Is that foolish because they know everything or because it doesn't matter if he did something bad
@@rommul1389
During WWII, or Great Patriotic War, all soldiers and officers letters from front checked by military censorship.
You can to write to your family, that you alive and feels normal, but it was forbidden to tell about your current location - because in the case of capturing your mail packages by German recon team you can provide enemy with information about your entire regiment. And many such cases in the 1941-1942 very often eneded very bad - many soviet regiments was destroyed by rapid german advance, wich used fresh data from spies and reconnance.
Everybody in the Red Army knew about that, even letters sended just in a form of the open triangled list without envelope.
And now, just imagine situation: Soljenytsyn, officer of the artillery regiment, who definately knows about military censorship, starting to write to his friends, using oficial military mail, that Stalin is a moron, we must crush communism, and etc and etc. During wartime...Yeah...
Even if you are not a fan of the current regime, such way to express your opposition is just DUMB.
Soljenytsyn using such primitive emotional press on the reader, playing a victim, but in reality he defenately knew, that in the HORRIBLE HELL OF GULAG his life will be safer, than on war front. And he was actually saved from brain cancer in the prison without any paid, lol.
@@Goran1138 Yeah what a coward, Goin into forced labor in Siberia because he didn't want to die like cattle in a meat grinder. How dare he think about preserving his life.
Never under estimate the ability of normal, "good," people to commit horrible atrocities.
Even good people are capable of atrocities, given proper circumstances.
I probably wouldn't be much different from these policemen, though I'm Polish so my circumstances would have been vastly different at these times...
It doesn't take much
So understand who your enemies are right now, those who would go along with atrocities with a smile as they already argue for it now
And those who just stand by without saying anything now
The US is already on the verge of going off the deep end, and those aren't "normal people" if events over the last half decade are any indication
Some good people become evil communists. Others remain good and do what must be done to halt the spread of evil.
âWhen a brother has a gun to his head a brothers gonna do as heâs told, whether heâs a fool or a wise manâ
@@Journey_Awaits That's the difference between nonwhites and whites. The latter can remain virtuous even in the face of unbeatable odds.
Not so fun fact:
when long time prisoners wanted to escape from siberia gulags they would recruit fresh prisoners to be thier "helpers". What they actualy called them were "cows" and they only served on purpouse, to be eaten by the other prisoner while they run out of whatever stolen food they brought with them.
That is so fucked up
Jesus CHRIST.
Also not so fun fact:
Even before the invasion of USSR canibalism was pretty common in places like Ukraine because of the famine and a lot other places in Siberia.
Why do you know this?!?!
@@KimandMarek its important to remember what lengths people were driven to because of totalitarian regimes
In regards to the police battalion, it brings to mind Joshua Graham's words: "Killing people is bad for one's soul. It might not seem important to you, but this is the most important lesson I can impart to you"
FNV always in for the clutch.
@Yossarian-Lives His entire story line is essentially about that desire to justify violence, killing and rationalize it. The genocide of the white legs to him is self defense, god's will, a right thing to do. Except of course he is not forced to do these things, so he tries to justify his own desires rather than anything he was forced into.
@@Israelyguy14 mostly true. The white legs themselves were not going to leave the other tribes in peace though. Sometimes you have to choose the lesser of two evils, that becomes much easier if you value your own life. It's not right but the alternative is far worse.
@@Doesitmatter_01 no one but Daniel is pretending the white legs aren't a bunch of scum, but Graham's genocide of them framed as excessive violence that stems from his brutality and rage. Hence why the golden ending for the DLC still has you routing the white legs, while allowing some to flee.
In short, killing the white legs is the perfect rationale for him to engage the bloodlust. He isn't killing them only because he must, but ultimately because thats what he wants. You can can lead him to that realization."I wanted to make Gods anger my own"
Killing good people.
"More striking still, a broken man is generally deprived of everything except the ability to acknowledge and feel his position"
-Lev Shestov
It sucks
This is great but some men In uniform are at my door...
Thatâs the last weâll see of him.
FBI open up!
What color uniform
Tosses assault rifle âHere take this. If youâre going to be taken, donât be taken easily.â
@@imperiumCirca41 they say this is the last thing I can do so there uniform color is *disconnected*
honestly, i'm pretty happy to see the Lithuanian country balls. I can see we're not fully forgotten and at least some foreigners know the atrocities that happened to them. As a Lithuanian it reminds me of the stories my grandparents told me about my great and great great grandparents how they were deported to Siberia in the gulags and the stories how they got there and what happened there.
who are you people again?
@@reddawn1873 Lithuanians
I'm massively anti-socialist and yet all the horrors of the socialist state blend together. The holodomor stands out because it was the first and it was so massive but the USSR just did so much to everyone under their blood red banner it's easier to just say everyone suffered.
American schools however teach none of it and just focus on the Jews. Everyone else is irrelevant and never say anything bad about the USSR.
@@shivanshna7618 who?
@AD Topkek the holodomer isn't man made if it isn't show something coherent from the released Soviet documents and not hersay arguments
like my heard from my grandparents x happened
I think that the question of whether or not one would commit atrocities based on the orders of a superior should never be thought of as "would you have done it if it was you", as it leaves out the comrades that surround you in that situation. It should be "If you and your group of friends where ordered to do it, would you be able to refuse?". Refusing makes you an outsider unless others follow you. Scale that up to a battalion and it is very hard not to be an outsider by refusing.
It's not just being an outsider, it's the consequences and the sense of futility in the decision itself. These policemen were already sub par examples in the nazi parties eyes and the nazis willingness to kill anyone it considered undesirable had just been demonstrated to them. I also dislike that the narrator said "they didn't do anything to actually save the victims" as if that were really an option for them, they would have just gotten themselves killed too. One of the largest issues is soldiers are already in the system, they are regularly checked on and have to be in certain places at regular intervals, their location has been recorded, they are already hated by those they are ordered to kill simply because they wear the uniform, if they try to run they will just end up hated by those they used to serve as well as those they harmed. All of this was inherently the point of the systems authoritarian regimes use so that soldiers do as they are told.
@@prind142 If they refused they would most likely have just been sent to do some other job with lower pay, not executed. Execution is for when one actually opposes the party.
@@ikengaspirit3063 Well thatâs refusing an order is it not? And it clearly shows you arenât an upstanding Nazi who wishes to kill women and children.
@@legchairhistorian5496 Having read the book, there are many accounts of soldiers not having the stomach for the job. The way they were treated varies. Some were assigned guard duties away from the killing site, others were forced (though I don't recall it being at gunpoint). I remember it said typically around 10 to 20 % in the battalion wouldn't participate. Still, more shocking is that 80+ % went ahead with it.
@@tomdip2094 I guess, if they battalion wouldn't do it, it could have been considered an insurrection through insubordination. That was actually punishable by death.
"We forget that the monsters of history were men and women too. Human, just like us. What makes us so special that we won't make the same rationalizations as them? Nothing."
Simple i'm a complete coward and would have attempted to run away........ and probably get shot in the back in the process.
@@louiscypher4186 Or the cowardice may make you seek out assurance from your peers and make you double down on the atrocity.
It is not the cowards who fled, it were the rare exceptions of amazing human beings that most of us are not. And even of them, even fewer still ever helped the victims flee.
Damn wheres this quote from?
Not women, correcr me if im wrong bit i dont think women have ever commited genocide by action or order.
@@abdulrahmanchalya7873 look up catherine the great, she was very much into crazy stuff.
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First thing I noticed, that soundtrack is just to good.
Aye we've got the same surname. Greetings from Switzerland.
@@oof5020 Really? Thatâs pretty neat.
I thought it's Genshin hahaha
Praise the omnissiah
There was also a story in the gullag archipellago about a worker who during the siege of stalingrad said something like "the administators fled from the city but us workers will fight the invaders" and led his co workers into a fight wich they won.
After the ww2 ended he was imprisoned for treason after one of his co-workers snitchef that he insulted the administrators.
He still believed in the regime and that his imprisonment was only an unhappy accident but that the system was fundamentally good
Aleksandr also says in gulag archipelago that by far the most mystifying ppl hed arrest were the true believers in the system, the comrades, the "bernie sanders" if you will. Bc he said till their dying breath they STILL believed the govt made a mistake in arresting them and needed to check their credentials. Like nothing could convince them that them being there WAS NOT A MISTAKE it IS the system working like its supposed to by purging everyone it suspects of treason.
The Gulag Archipellago is a work of fiction written by a vicious anti-semite.
@@michaelporter2103 Provide links or its bullshit.
@@michaelporter2103 sounds like something a tyrant would use as an excuse for mass censorship
@@michaelporter2103 sounds like something a communist would say
"A world apart " is also worth reading it's a journal of gulag survivor.
Anne Applebaum also wrote a history on the subject.
"In the Claws of the GPU" by Frantiszek Olechnowicz is also good, but it's sadly not available in English, as far as I know. It's mostly about life in Solovki concentration camp. Also beginning of the book is very interesting, it tells how belarusian national intelligentsia was fooled by the Soviets to go to Soviet-controlled part of Belarus by providing "freedom from polish oppression" and then tossing them into Gulags or outright killing them later.
Every human has the potential to be a great saint or a monstrous killer. I think Solzhenitsyn said it best:
âGradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either -- but right through every human heart -- and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. And even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained. And even in the best of all hearts, there remains ... an un-uprooted small corner of evil."
âIf only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?â
War Atrocities with 40K music.
Perfect blend.
It's only an atrocity if your team loses.
Glory to the Omnissiah â
@@adolfwasrite7009 complete social reject
@@adolfwasrite7009 And you lost, so cope.
@adolfwasrite7009 Indeed, certain people who should fast for 1,000 days are too pansy to acknowledge the Holodomor, Great Leap Forward, Cambodia, Romania, etc etc.
I met a marxist-leninist who read the Gulag Archipelago and called it propaganda. He called a lot of things committed by the soviets and other communist countries either propaganda or "not as bad as it seems". I remember showing him a video of a chinese woman describing the horror she faced under Mao's regime and he just called her "Full of shit!". I understand when far-rightists call something propaganda or fake, its usually because they are arrogant. But this guy who said that the workers should lead the world, who doesn't mind cracking a few eggs and under values human life, is beyond arrogant. They are blind.
No utopia is worth it if I have to make sure certain people can't experience it.
Sad.... morales are often forgotten in ideologies and are replaced with anger and hatred
Tankie Moment
Iâm a marxist (not sure about leninist, I disagree with some (many) things Lenin developed although I admire the soviet revolution) and I hate this. I hate every one of my fellow âsocialistâ who donât consider the sufferings lived by many peoples under socialist governments. Itâs the same crime committed by right wingers who omit the horrible suffering caused European colonialism. We must remember the horrors lived by countless people to ensure it wonât happen again. Youâve put it perfectly, theyâre blind. Theyâve stabbed their eyes, filled their ears with concrete and became insensitive dogma spewing robots who canât think for themselves. They donât even grasp Marxist analysis anymore. They canât explain the material conditions which lead to this kind of suffering and how we can avoid them because they donât want to know.
Weâre easily capable of seeing the horrible conditions Western democracies put on their colonies. The UK, France, Belgium, Italy, Spain, Portugal, the US and countless more killed many. However, the USSR is not an exception. It also followed the rest and also committed mass atrocities. If we remember those, we might be able to avoid such sufferings to happen.
Ah yes, let us believe the recounting of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, who claimed that the Bolsheviks were Jews and that Communism was a Jewish plot to destroy the glorious Russian Empire, literally spreading fascist lies. I don't know about your personal anecdote, but believing anything that is written in the Gulag Archipelago would be as good as believing Joseph Goebbels.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Hundred_Years_Together
â@@TacticalAnt420 kommunism is kringe
It seems those last 2 polls were to prepare us for this, or not ezekiel?
Ordinary Men was one of the hardest books for me to read but also one of the best I've ever picked up. The detail it goes into can be too hard to stomach sometimes. I could usually only ready a few pages at a time then go a day or two without reading it so I could process the documented atrocities in it. Great book and I recommend it. Just make sure you have a happy book to counter it.
I want to put some of my quotations I found from The Gulag Archipelago so far that were interesting. I'm not finished yet though.
"Oh, please forgive us reader. We have once more gone astray with this rightist opportunism: the concept of guilt, and of the guilty or innocent. It has, after all been explained to us that the heart of the matter is not personal or individual guilt, but 'social danger.'"
"If a Troika is a Troika, is a court a courtette? It's not like we would know; all we got was a letter."
"There is no court for 'nothing much'. For 'nothing much", there are the organs."
"These Troikas (I say it plurally because, like a deity, we do not know where or in what form it exists) satisfied a persistent need that had arisen: never to allow those arrested to return to freedom."
"From 1918 to 1921 there were 340 peasant revolts in 20 provinces. They were already called "Kulak" revolts by 1921 (because how could the people resist against their own power?"
"And 'if this expediency should require that the avenging sword should fall on the heads of the defendants, then no verbal arguments can help.'"
"My sentence is 20 years? I was imprisoned and sentenced to be shot in 2 months for my 'lack of faith in the Soviet system.' Surely even Lenin would lose his 'faith in the Soviet system' if he realized that system would still need camps 20 years from now."
"This is the notion the Bluecapped guards never uttered aloud: 'You today, me tomorrow.'"
"After the solemn words 'To be shot!' the judges paused for applause. But the mood in the hall was so gloomy, with the sighs and the tears of people who had no connection to the defendants, and the screams and swooning of their relatives, that no applause was to be heard even from the first two benches, where the Party members were sitting. This, indeed, was totally improper.
'Oh good Lord, what have you done?!' someone in the hall shouted at the members of the court. The wife of one of the defendants dissolved into tears. In the half darkness, the crowd began to stir. Judge Vlasov shouted at the front benches. 'C'mon you bastards, why aren't you clapping?! Some Communists you are!'"
"Investigation and the process are merely juridical figaration, that can't change your destiny, which has been determined before. If it is necessary to shoot you, you'll be shot, even if you're completely innocent."
"In the interrogation do not seek evidence and proof that the person accused acted in word or deed against Soviet power. The first questions should be: What is his class, what is his origin, what is his education and upbringing? These are the questions which must determine the fate of the accused."
"In the winter of 1934, the agronomists of Pskovsk oblast sowed flax on the snow - exactly as Lysenko had ordered. The seeds expanded, grew mouldy and died. The vast fields stayed empty throughout the year. Lysenko of course couldn't call the snow a kulak or himself an idiot. He accused the agronomists of being kulaks and distorting his technology. And the agronomists were sent to Siberia."
"Thus the fear that 'our enemies will find out' makes us clamp our head between our own knees. Who in our Fatherland, except some bookworms, remembers now that Karakozov, who fired at the Tsar, was provided with a defense lawyer? Or that Zhelyabov and all the Narodnaya Volga group were tried in public, without any fear that 'the turks would find out?'"
"There is nothing that so aids and assists the awakening of omniscience within us as insistent thoughts about oneâs own transgressions, errors, mistakes. After the difficult cycles of such ponderings over many years, whenever I mentioned the heartlessness of our highest-ranking bureaucrats, the cruelty of our executioners, I remember myself in my captainâs shoulder-boards and the forward march of my battery through East Prussia, enshrouded in fire, and I say: 'So were we any better?'"
"I remember our alliance with the Nazis. And all those changes in the newspaper headlines with regards to Nazis - once the meetings of our friendly sentries in this shabby Poland, and waves of sympathy for those brave soldiers, who fight against the Anglo-French bankers, and Hitler's uncut speeches over whole pages of Pravda; and then suddenly one morning the explosion of headlines, claiming the whole Europe is moaning heart-breakingly under their heel."
"Oh, Western freedom-loving 'left-wing' thinkers! Oh, left-wing labourists! Oh, American, German and French progressive students! All of this is still not enough for you. The whole book has been useless for you. You will understand everything immediately, when you yourself - hands behind your back - are tossed into our Archipelago."
"Fire. Fire. The branches crackled and the light wind of late Autumn blows the flame of bomb fire back and forth."
"Fire. Fire. We fought the war, and looked into the bomb fire to see what kind of victory it would be. The wind wafted a glowing husk from the bomb fire. To that flame, and to you girl, I promise you: the whole wide world will read about you."
"In one camp in 1940-something after the prisoners hadn't been taken into the fresh air for a whole year, they had forgotten how to walk, how to breathe, how to see in the light, the guards took them out, put them in formation, and drove them 15 miles to the "local" train station on foot. About a dozen of them died along the way, but no one is ever going to write a great novel about it (not even a whole chapter). I suppose, if you live in a graveyard, you can't weep for everyone."
"To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he's doing is good, or else, that what he is doing is a well-considered act of conformity with natural law."
"A. B-- V. has told how executions were carried out at Adak - a camp on the Pechora river. They would take the "opposition members" - with their things - out of the camp compound on a prisoner transport at night. And outside the camp compound stood "the small house of the third sector." The condemned men were taken into a room one at a time, and there the camp guards sprang on them, their mouths were stuffed with something soft, and their arms were bound with cords behind their backs. Then they were led out into the courtyard, where harnessed carts were waiting. The bound prisoners were piled on the carts - five to seven at a time - and driven off to the 'Gorka': the camp cemetery. On arrival they were tipped into big pits that had already been prepared, and buried alive. Not out of brutally, no; it had been ascertained that when dragging and lifting them, it was much easier to cope with living people than with corpses. This work went on for many nights at Adak. And that is how the moral-political unity of our Party was achieved."
"No one escapes Hell by dancing with the Devil."
"'No, don't! Don't dig up the past! Dig up the past, and you'll lose an eye!' But the proverb goes on to say: Don't dig up the past, and you'll lose both eyes."
"Macbeth's self-justifications were feeble - and his conscience devoured him. Yes, even Iago was a little lamb, too. The imagination and spiritual strength of Shakespeare's evildoers stopped short at a dozen corpses. Because they had no ideology. Ideology - that is what gives evildoing its long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination."
"'1921? Really? That far back?' In fact, it would not be fair to describe our concentration camps in 1921 as in existing in that year, In fact, they were in 'full bloom' and, can I say, 'flowering'. They were even 'coming to an end.'"
"To obtain the encompassing and savage meaning [behind the camps] one [author] would have to drag out the lives of many people from the camps -- the very same in which one cannot survive even one term without some special advantage, because [the camps] were invented for destruction."
"What are you worrying about? Executions have been abolished. But Shchastny is not being executed; he is being shot."
"There is no such thing as individual guilt, but 'class causation.'"
"If you die in the interrogator's office, they'll tell your relatives you've been sentenced to camp 'without the right of correspondence'. And then, just let them look for you!
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Never thought that i would find comparisons between literary works so interesting!
This kind of reminds me of a text i read about the military junta in Argentina. In the concentration camp of ESMA, a lot of the guards were composed of cadets between 14 to 18. As those were most likely to obey, and to be more open about their dissent so the marine could "remove" them if they spoke out. Meanwhile a lot of grown ups during the "death flies" would hid their discontent until trials were carried out, and they would talk out to reveal the details...
I couldn't agree more. People nowadays find it easy to say it was wrong to follow orders and commit whatever atrocities, instead on put yourself on their shoes. The risk and how much they could lose opposing the regime. Could you trust anyone to not sell you out? what if your punishment goes to your family and loved ones? Is it really a crime choosing self preservation instead of being merciful of others in such times?
@@athena4043 Funny given that German Soldiers rarely faced punishment for refusing to carry out these specific orders
@@CZcamsisntlettingmeuseczech we are talking of argentinian military regime tho
@@athena4043 I know, but I just wanted to throw it out there in case somebody started replying to you with wehrabooisms
@@CZcamsisntlettingmeuseczech ooh got it! Well yeah argentina with conscription and our lack of war culture (we lost Falklands war for a reason) you had either, your neighbours selling you to the state, and Im not sure with actual military soldiers but conscripts faced lots of punishment when going against the rules. That's why at least we can relate on it. Inocent youngsters forced to do inhumane things or going to war, or else facing punishment themselves. At least I can tell you I wouldn't risk it, as assholish as it sounds. It's quite relatable despite the cultural, social and political differences.
The entire full length Gulag Archipelago is on CZcams. It's an older recording, taken from cassette tapes. Took me a good year to finally listen to it all but it was well worth it.
Its a work of fiction written by a vicious anti-semite.
@@michaelporter2103 I have my doubts about that.
One of your best so far. Bravo. Today I lost my granny and this little dive into the human soul consoled me a bit.
I don't know how to say it in english, but I feel sorry for you.
@@beavatatlan thank you, man.
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*Bonus Reading:* I put up a poll asking you guys what youâd do if you were ordered or otherwise compelled to participate in an atrocity. Those who said theyâd go along with it would sometimes justify this course of action by saying that it was to protect themselves from becoming another victim. While certainly an accurate defense for perpetrators of other genocides, it actually does not apply to the perpetrators of the Holocaust. As Ordinary Men puts it:
âAmong the perpetrators, of course, orders have traditionally been the most frequently cited explanation for their own behavior. The authoritarian political culture of the Nazi dictatorship, savagely intolerant of overt dissent, along with the standard military necessity of obedience to orders and ruthless enforcement of discipline, created a situation in which individuals had no choice. Orders were orders, and no one in such a political climate could be expected to disobey them, they insisted. Disobedience surely meant the concentration camp if not immediate execution, possibly for their families as well. The perpetrators had found themselves in a situation of impossible âduressâ and therefore could not be held responsible for their actions. Such, at least, is what defendants said in trial after trial in postwar Germany.
There is a general problem with this explanation, however. Quite simply, in the past forty-five years no defense attorney or defendant in any of the hundreds of postwar trials has been able to document a single case in which refusal to obey an order to kill unarmed civilians resulted in the allegedly inevitable dire punishment. The punishment or censure that occasionally did result from such disobedience was never commensurate with the gravity of the crimes the men had been asked to commit.â
Hey, I just got Ordinary men a few months ago, haven't read it yet, but I look forward to it.
Iâm not sure what category of content these videos fall under, but I love it whenever you talk about philosophy and events in general. Keep doing the thing, youâre awesome : )
I like both, even I've never read them, you brought it good over. But for me, ordinary men is more interesting, since it is a significant part of my country (Germany). Every of our great-Grandfather's could it have been. OK, mine was on the Eastern front, I don't know what exactly he did there, he just told our family about the Russian gulags. Which is, where both books melt into each other
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I absolutely love your incredible channel.
But Jordan Peterson is a madman that promotes chauvinism, racism, and most importantly Holocaust denial.
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I think the gulag archipelago is better because it talks about heroism and self sacrifice from what i understood.
PRAISE THE OMNISSIAH
Praise the Omnissiah oh how i wish I Where Maschine not having to feel sadness
From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh... It disgusted me.
nice Eve pfp
Both books are super heavy and dark. I couldn't actually finish Gulag Archipelago, it was far too depressing. Soldaten: On Fighting, Killing, and Dying by Sonke Neitzel is anotherbook in the vein of Ordinary Men that is equally chilling and dark.
I love how you use the Mechanicus Soundtrack in the video
This is probably one of your most important works yet. Also, holy shit Solzhenitsyn hits the feels.
Hell yeah, another book review.
"left a message for all of you too"
>left wing thinkers of the west
No he didn't
Well the message can still be for those who aren't Left wing it is just aimed at those left-wingers who don't care about the atrocities of communist/socialist nations by saying things like "that wasn't real communism" or some other rubbish. Thank you for commenting
oh yes he did
@@kingofcards9516 he's not talking about our contemporary socialists and communists that are overwhelmingly horrified by the atrocities of the stalinist countries.
he's talking about his contemporaries ! those that ignored gulags and supported the ussr in spite of the evidence. his target is not the people that say "it wasn't real communism" (which, the ussr literally wasn't really communism btw), if you want to compare it to anything, he's denouncing the types of people that defend china.
@@XenGame Lmao you literally using the "That wasnt real communism" excuse
"Left wing" "Thinker" Pick one.
You treat this horrible stuff with great respect, common sense and in an easy manner. I love this channel man
YES! Iâve been requesting this for some time now. And to see how simply put you made it all is glorious.
I'd personally recommend watching a Lithuanian movie "Between the shades of grey" which describes Lithuanian point of view in gulags.
Assuming itâs not on any streaming services I might have to get the old crew together to sail the high seas if you catch my meaning.
@@theredsir869 Wdym you don't watch it with an eyepatch?
@@mr.chaplain4958 lol, of course I forgot the eyepatch. Good thinking.
It's so abundantly clear to me that these two books should be compulsory reading for 12th graders looking to go to college.
A guy i met was a South African conscript in the 1970s in Angola. He readily admitted to his involvement in war crimes and atrocities. The stories he told me chilled my blood.
In my opinion, the Gulag Archipelago is a warning, and Ordinary Men is a horror film that is our reality.
Gulag Archipelago is just a fiction book and his writer has zero credibility, do you know why he was condemned, and what he thought of communism, or some fascist dictatorships?
I wasn't expecting the mechanicus music at the beginning lol. THE OMNISSIAH DEMANDS WE COMPARE THE BOOKS!
This was an amazing watch!
Man never though a pokemon youtuber would watch this
@@gasmaskboi6904 I've got lots of interests outside of Pokemon. In fact Pokemon is less than 5% of what I've uploaded
@@MahDryBread oh good to know thanks for replying
@@MahDryBread ck2
Nice seeing you around Mr. Bread
I hope this video goes viral, so you go viral with it.
You've earned it
Your channel has basically been controlling my reading list. Quality stuff, keep up the good work!
I live for these videos.
Last one i actually bought the storm of steel and all quiet, reading them simultaneously.
My boy listening to the adeptus mechanicus ost... i'm proud
This video and CHANNEL desevers more views and subs. Keep it up.
From what you had said, I believe that the next video will be about the Fareynegte Partizaner Organizatsye.
Fareynegt Partisan Organisation
I love the usage of the Mechanicus Soundtrack in the video. Then again i just love the Mechanicus soundtrack anyway! So nice taste.
How is the inquisition an atrocity. Comfy chairs, soft pillows, snazzy red outfits.
tfw you were born too early to give your life for The Emperor
Feels bad man. :(
I think the movie Judgement at Nuremberg explored this, showing how a normal guy could be complicit in horrific atrocities.
"LETS JUMP IN!"
"now before a atrocitie haves a victim-"
Do we have a book about pilots and crews of Chilean helicopters during Pinochet regime?
I cant escape the Mechanicus OST its everywhere
"Man is Wolf to Man" and "Surviving Freedom" are two autobiographies by Janusz Bardach about living through the gulags as well as his freedom afterwards. Highly suggested reading.
Thank you! Will definitely be checking these ones out.
This was amazing Ezekiel, definitely some of the best content of youtube right now.
And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more - we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.
Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956
Loved the addition of the Lithuanian ball in the work camp.
WOW. I've read volume one of Gulag but clearly I need to finish the series. What a note to end it on.
I just realised you used the Mechanicus OST for your intro. Based Choice.
How lucky we are these two juggernauts of evil never aligned with each other after Poland.
Commence the rite of Peterson. May the Omnissiah bless us.
i would either go numb and let my brain black out so i wouldnt have to think nor remember
or start crying and either miss the shot because of the blurred vision or just drop the gun and keep crying
that's the most honest and human answer so far imho. I'll probably try to follow suit but puke and pass out. Trying to think of them as not humans or that it's not happening seems the most plausible action in such difficult spot.
"The man who has few friends is beholden only to their own morality. Woe to those who challenge it."
That is why I would be different. I would be an anti-villain. If cannot live in peace, then I will TAKE IT ALL, AND GIVE NOTHING BACK!
Do what you want because a pirate is free...YOU. ARE. A. PIRATE.
I'm in the middle of The Gulag Archipelago, and Ordinary Men is in the mail on the way. Scary stuff.
One of the most underrated CZcams r love your work sir.
Tip:
There are free Audiobook versions of "The Gulag Archipelago" here on youtube.
It takes about 50-60 hours to listen through every chapter, but it's also a 700 page book.
This is where the fun begins
You think masacars are fun>:(
@@KimandMarek fun for the whole family
Nice video! Love your channel it helps me and makes me very interested in history :)
Haha he replaced the bad sybol with the youtube sign lol
Your opening audio pleases the omnissiah
that warhammer mechanicus music so good everyone seems to use it
Love the Mechanicus music. Excellent choice.
Last time I was this early, it was 1969 and the Soviets sent my grandfather to a uranium mine
My great grandfather was also in Uranian mine, but i the 50ties
@Fabian Kirchgessner He was realesed during it
@Fabian Kirchgessner .......yeah, about that
@@mangonel inappropriate. . . . .but I would be lying if I didn't admit I laughed
@@mangonel inappropriate
Love the use of the Children of the Omnesia at the start of the video
I wonder why this video isnât monetised, maybe itâs all the genocide talk.
Itâs a shame too, this is a great video
If your going to keep up with these book comparisons (which I enjoy), it would be a good video if you did Brave New World vs 1984
4:39
JAJAJAJAJA
How could you make me laugh during such a heavy topic? Now I'm out of immersion!
This is the first CZcams channel I've subscribed to for about 5 years
Love the Mechanicus background music. May the Emperor protect you.
amazing video! keep up the great work
Great video as always
"Sons of the Omnissiah" is such a great soundtrack.
When I first heard the Gulag Archipelago text at the end, I straight up almost cried.
Watching this while playing hoi4 was a mistake...
4:41 Me: German
Me: *Sweats nervously*
i feel you bro
@Fabian Kirchgessner Do you have the statistics to prove so ?
I read the archipelago and had to stop at one point because it depressed me too much.
I love youve been useing the VIC II soundtrack for basically al your videos. Still go back and review the economics guide now and then.
Hunger is the biggest nullifier of the human moral and consciousness -aleksandr solzhenistyn
Nearly anyone when questioned will claim that they would not obey a lawfully given order to kill an innocent, yet history shows that most would. I feel fairly confident saying that I would be one of the rare exceptions. Since my childhood, I have long hated injustice and force being used against the innocent. To this day, I have a very strongly held sense of right and wrong, and it brings me great emotional discomfort to stray from that. I cannot abide immoral actions, and nothing infuriates me more than authority figures abusing their power. Even in my daily life, I make a willful decision to disobey unjust laws out of sheer spite that legislators and bureaucrats would exercise petty authority to punish those who do not live their lives in a way that the authority approves of. I dearly hope that politicians do not pass a law to try to ban hate speech, because I would feel a moral obligation to use offensive speech the content of which does not represent my nature as an act of protest. I don't want to fly a flag with the hooked cross on it, but if the moral authority wants to push that issue, I WILL push back, no matter the personal cost to myself.
you are not immune to propaganda
you will abide
@@yurashida Maybe not totally immune, but I'm pretty good at spotting propaganda. Conspiracy theorists pay for their better awareness by sometimes seeing strings where there are none.
I read Ordinary Men in my grad program and it was haunting.
We also read a relative sequel called Hitler's Furies about the women that participated in the genocide.
"How can it be a hate crime if I loved doing it?"
Great video man.
Will you do anything by Lorenzo Komâboa Ervin, and his critiques of the American prison system?
thank your for showing me these books please keep releasing new more of these videos
Sincerely appreciate the 'children of the omnissiah' at the start
Pretty sure the Gulag Archipelago was lauded around the world for over half a century BEFORE Jordan Peterson brought it "to fame." We read it in school (UK) in 7th grade. Am i missing some underlying irony here?
Great video though. Didn't expect to see Ordinary Men referenced on CZcams!
I think just poor choice of words from video narrator part. I understood it as Jordan Peterson âre famedâ it by giving his psychological insight to these works.
I'll be honest, i had never heard of it before as a Brazilian (our education is quite lacking in many areas), Jordan brought it to my attention and i plan to read it.
Its importance is suppressed in the United States.
Iâve never heard about this book in the U.S until Jordan Peterson brought attention to it. Hopefully an oversight of the school systems rather than intentional misdirection but you never know these days.
Literally never heard of either book in America, specifically New York as well. Peterson gave the books new life essentially because not everywhere will you be required to read either of them or even know of them.
I love how CZcamsrs are using the CZcams logo as a replacement for the Nazi swastika because CZcams decided the swastika in historical video is a big no no
Confort is a blessing for it lets us rest ,but it is also a curse that blinds us from what lies hidden from us.
Disconfort is a curse for it never lets us rest, but is also a blessing that hones our strenghts so that we may face the horrors yet to be seen.
I found this video very insightful. I also really appreciate the curtain patterns at 7:36
Most men and women would do terrible things to others rather than jeopardize their own hide. Most peopleâs morality and nobility is barely skin deep.
What a great birthday present
Happy birthday!
Happy birthday
I like how you use the mechaanocus music that game is such a good entry to the warhammer mythos lol
Mechanicus
This fornat is amazing. Keep up the good work!
I agree
Also *format