You Say The Ford Lightning Sucks Because It Can’t Tow Far - We Tow All Day | Taming Tumbleweed Ep.22
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It would totally work for towing a bass boat to the lake, trips to Lowe's, motorcycle to the shop, moving someone locally,camping in the area. These are the type things I have used a truck to tow for. I personally have never towed anything long distance and have only used half ton pick ups. Everything about this truck would work for me, except the price.
Lol except the price, reliability and durability. No big deals lmao
So what if it "works"? It's also $88,000. If all you do is tow mail back and forth to your mail box, how long do you think it would take to see a payback over a regular F150 that's less than $58,000?
@@omardevonlittle3817 reliability is yet to be determined. All we have to go on is capability. Maybe I should have said it is capable of handling my needs except that I wouldn't spend that much to have one.
@@AkioWasRight did you read my whole comment. I basically said what you are saying. You shouldn't give knee jerk reactions so quickly. Especially when we agree. It would meet my needs "but" it's too expensive. Agree?
@@dalejones4322 I wasn't attacking or arguing with you, I was just restating the point.
An EV truck definitely has some limitations, but seems like it'd be great for doing a variety of truck things around town on short to moderate distances.
it's a dweeb truck,yes. but don't underestimate the amount of dweebs (democrats)
Yeah, but then why wouldn't you just buy an SUV? Is this how low the bar has gotten? My new $60,000 E-truck from Ford is so awesome at 4 mile long tows!!!! Woooohoooooooooo!
@@billw8476 What do you mean?
I don’t understand the negativity in the comments. If you don’t see they are covering a new technology with all its ups and downs, stop watching. They aren’t suggesting their lightning will replace all trucks tomorrow. They are showing that EV’s have promise but aren’t there yet for most buyers.
Thanks for the kind comment. So much hate and misinformation about EVs. It’s become political instead of logical.
Democrat!!
EV costs are too high
@@josekanucee1428 I guess. It’s not like this truck costs twice what a comparable ICE F-150 would cost. You know how many people buy a truck and treat it like a luxury vehicle. This truck absolutely fills that role.
@@josekanucee1428 , Lightening vs comparable ICE F-150 price is actually fairly close. With the cost of fueling a full size truck, the Lightening will be overall cheaper to run within just a couple years of ownership. Plus almost no maintenance.
It would be interesting to see a road trip towing a teardrop camper. That would still have some weight but not the wind drag compared to the 4wheel camper.
yippee, i buy an f'n expensive truck, and i can tow is a pissy little atv...
@Graeme Johnson Yippee, I'm gonna cherry pick and make blanket statements because that how I was raised.
Check out hooves garage he towed an aluminum flat trailer with his
@@rider6.0 and? He got bugger all miles.. their useless..
Mate. Hoovie towing a flat aluminium, car trailer got bugger all range, their useless.. too big to be a useful ev. And absolutely useless to be a truck..
30:52 You could probably buy 5 of those F250s for the cost of a Lightning :)
The ProPower Onboard will also be useful as a contractor. Power hedge trimmers and the like from the bed while charging tools/laptops etc locked away in the "frunk". Might be an interesting test at Tumbleweed - can use drive out, power tools to do work, and still have enough battery to get home.
EVs will work if you can fully charge it at home, use it for the day within the battery range, bring it back and recharge it again overnight. If you don't have your own charger or go too far you have to cope with flaky public charging.
@@shitloveaduck Yep, but it wasn't a new F250 :) I was guessing about 10-15k for a used F250.
@@shitloveaduck thank goodness we have some keyboard warrior, unwilling to use his real name, to hand out life lessons.
On another note, a single wreck F-250’s will accomplish more actual work than the Lighting could ever dream of. People spending $100k and getting less of a truck than a Ranger deserve what they get.
@@CommonSense823 You're as clueless as the original poster.
@@aedwards123 10-15k f250s are 2000-2006. Sure the 7.3 is a good engine but the amount of problems you will have with a truck in that price range is a lot. Go look at what you can get for under 20k for a diesel truck. Not great options
As always great video, I think the lighting would absolutely be a decent work truck around town but I'd want one truck for short & long distance hauling. Wouldn't "couldn't" have a lighting for short hauls & a "3/4" ton for long hauls. But that's why your channel is so good you show us all the Pros and cons of the vehicle's you're testing.
If they could develop a plug-in hybrid, with an electric motor that could get you about 50-100 miles range before switching to gasoline? That would be amazing!
@@lego4virgo No, a 500+ miles ev like the cybertruck will be better.
@@starshipdriver8536 You do realize that a lot of those claims by Musk are falling by the wayside--IF it finally gets built, it'll probably be more inline with standard EV trucks, like this one.
The truck has a user manual. I’m sure it lists the trailer connection procedure, and has descriptions and fine print about the scales. You literally don’t have to guess.
Thank you, take 10 minutes and prepare for the video.
Hell yeah it would work for my regular daily commute and a little bit of towing around town, but better than that I would love to do a long travel suspension on a lightening, it who would be so Sick!🤘🏼
Enjoying the content. I own an Ioniq 5 and a utility trailer. When towing, I'm most often local. (Dump runs, landscaping or building supplies, furniture, etc.) It's fantastic for that.
Also much like the Ford and pro power, I've used V2L for stuff like circular saws, shop vacs, and even carry a small electric grill now for picnics. The utility of EVs is amazing and they drive extremely nicely.
I think a lot of people get hung up on the 0.5 or 1 percent of what they might do with the vehicle, and ignore the 99%+ of the time where an EV would work fine. Personally, the added convenience of an EV 99% of the time is worth a little pain that other 1% of the time.
They absolutely are getting hung up on ridiculous edge cases. Unless you tow a boat across multiple states, or maybe one very large state, *on a regular basis* an EV truck is almost certainly the best option for a regular consumer.
There are commerical cases where it isn't, but in those roles (construction, towing companies) a *hybrid* is the best option.
You can tell Ford made a call to TFL.
It seems all this did was show that it’s good at towing much smaller/lighter trailers than what it’s rated for. It has use cases, but if pushed just a little beyond that it fails one way or another. Ultimately, the power density isn’t there and neither is the charge time.
My friend has a F150, he tows probably 4 times a year lol 😆 😂. Not everyone is towing big campers or boats every weekend
@@StarInfinite00 probably best to pay the extra money for the EV version to make sure you never can tow a camper or boat if you want to.
Still, the initial EV vehicle cost issue and the charge times will continue to make IC vehicles a more affordable option for anyone using their trucks for working.
@@CommonSense823 Again the average person is not towing a damn boat everyday.
@@smarticus6384 Nobody is saying EVs are perfect. Thats like saying the Ford Model T was perfection. Nope took decades for the ICE vehicles to get to this point as well.
I understand the desire to test towing, but, couldn't that ATV fit in the back of the Lightning? Would have saved half the trip.
That's a big ATV, almost raptor size, I don't know that it would have.
So with this setup, you have a 60-70 mile radius in which to tow your atv to a trail and back to your home? Electric trucks still suck.
back in the day one would load your ATV into the back of the one's P/U and just go riding up to 500 miles in my 1973 4x4 F250 with a 300 Cubic inch straight 6 !
On a single tank or with stops along the way?
As the owner of a lawn care business. We never drive more than 60 miles in a day unless we’ve got a huge project somewhere and even then it’s pretty rare that we ever drive more than 100 miles a day even running back-and-forth to get landscaping supplies. So I actually think this would be the perfect vehicle. I should also mention that I run a fully battery electric lawn care business so this is more than perfect.
Dude you could charge lawn equipment from the truck. It would reduce your overhead cost a ton.
@@Magnus_Magnesium that’s the goal! If I can ever get ahold of one for a reasonable price.
Another great video. You are 100% correct. “Will an EV truck work for you”? Listen, watch and decide for yourself. You guys bought an EV with 120 miles of range (So did I well before you guys). You made it work as well as I for the last 2.5 years. I cannot pry it from my wife’s hands. She loves never going to a gas station and leaving with a full tank every day.
You guys always put out great information for making an educated buying decision.
Really though ? measuring a trailer like that is so stupid without any roulette or like a tape to measure, also..
who the heck build trailers without any sticker information on that trailer with precise data about like : length, height, weight, payload towing capacity..
I could live with a Lightning 340 days of the year. Unfortunately we all know there is 25 more days. So we own a Tesla Model 3 and a Nissan Titan Pro-4X. Can't think of a better combo for the same price as the TFL Lightning.
That’s the way to do it. Buy the right tool for the job.
I'd buy a gold cart for around town. Way cheaper.
So now when you put any weight in the back and is squats you have to deal with tires being at a camber. You could see it in the Amps to Alaska video's when they had the camper and all the other stuff in the back. the tires were ridding tilted in at the top, putting uneven wear on the tires. I can for see lots of tire failures and lots of alignment issues with this.
I have a loaded Maverick and towed a large popup which weighed about 3500 pounds loaded and got 20 mpg in hilly New England. Truck was under 30K and had the 4K package. Payload was almost as much, but the bed is smaller. Having at Lightning towing any load seems to make no sense there are much cheaper options. You can buy a lot of fuel for a 50k price difference.
Roll that extra $50k into the loan with interest too.
You should really put the OEM tires back on.
Wouldn't the Yamaha Raptor be the Raptor of ATVs?
That scratched up gauge cluster would drive me nuts
For me, I tow a 7,000lb boat a little over 100 miles round trip and would like to do that without stopping to charge. Please have Andrey do a video towing his boat.
You'd be crazy to buy this truck for that purpose. Battery life reduces over time too. So what mileage they're showing will slowly get worse.
@@Rooster_king yeah, I’m actually heavily leaning towards the GM twins (probably Chevy since they are forcing the OnStar subscription fee on the GMCs) with the 3.0L. It seems like the best for my needs-commuting 100 miles daily plus frequent boat trailering on weekends.
I still would like to see them do that test tho.
@@lewiswatchorn7239 go for the 3.0. I just did and don’t regret it. I’m towing my wake boat on weekends for about that distance. Does was better than my 5.3 Chevy. Electric would not be practical. Daily average 20mpgs and towing 10-15 mpgs.
@@lewiswatchorn7239 GMC is forcing OnStar subscriptions? I haven't heard about that, what are they trying to charge people and how do they expect to get paid for it?
$1500 for 3 years of service will be added as a factory option on the Monroney. GM is going to regret doing this to both Buick and GMC brands as most buyers don't use the service. GM is only mandating these services as to make OnStar relevant.
I am with Roman with the hitch cover. I keep mine covered all the time!
The Ford Lightning is perfect for me to drive to my local Homedepot, Tractor Supply, and Costco.
My SUV can do that.
The electric Maverick will be even a better choice for me! They're testing it now, I guess.
Buy an old truck and save $40k
Really good demonstration of some of the more practical situations this truck would come in contact with. Some light hauling and towing around town is just what this kind of truck was designed for. Really thorough video and fun to watch. One question - would the ATV fit in the bed of the truck?? Is it too wide?? Thanks again...
That particular ATV might not fit. It's 55" wide. If it does fit, it would definitely be sitting on the wheel wells.
The payload meter was correct. You have to take into account leverage off the rear of the truck. 200lbs over the axle of the truck is 200 lbs. 200lbs hanging off the hitch, is going to be more like 400 over the rear axle (a guess, don't feel like doing math right now).
This is my first time seeing such a feature, and it's _BRILLIANT!_ Can't imagine what other magic sensors it has.
It would work for me. The locations I ride my SxS on are roughly 70 miles round trip. The lakes where I not are all within 30-40 miles, so unless I decide to venture somewhere new which would be a rarity, this would more than exceed my needs. Plus, it has to be more economical than the 10-11mpg I get in my Chevy Tahoe towing now.
Or unless theirs an accident and youre stuck n stop n go traffic for 2 hrs
@@omardevonlittle3817 throw a gas generator in the bed if you want to be super prepared.
The Lightning is $88,000. Even at 10 mpg and $5.00/gallon, it would take you decades to see a payback. And that is if you don't live in a place like California or Alaska, where electricity is more expensive than gas. In that case, you'd never see a return.
@@AkioWasRight the lightning is 67,000 for a lariat not 88,000 and a Tahoe at its highest is in the 70,000 range so yes it would pay off especially if it gets a federal rebate.
My 2021 f150 does blind spot bet that one does too. Have to set it up right. You can also check your lights with your phone.
Lightning owner here. I got the tow package, just in case, but I don't own a trailer. It's primarily a hunting truck and a daily commuter. It is sublime for those purposes. And If I do need to tow something, It'll probably be something small (like an ATV) and I won't be going over 100 miles with it. In short: It's awesome even without the ability to tow 10,000 lbs 200 miles.
The price of that ATV is mind boggling
Interesting that Roman called it the Raptor of ATVs rather than the TRX. Wonder if that was because it is nimble and quick? 😉
Answer is YES!!! My 22 Lightning (same trim and battery as yours) is being built week of 9/19. Can't wait!
That ATV is literally $18,000. Insane. I remember a few years ago when you could get a 4 seater turbocharged RZR for that price.
Right? I worked at a CanAm dealer when the 800s came out, the 2 seat XT was the first ATV to eclipse the $10k, mark; now theres not much left under that mark.
This was going to be my next vehicle until Ford increased the price by the same amount of the tax credit which after all the exclusions almost none of those tax advantages is really available.
A tape measure is a good tool for always having a different tow vehicle. Make the trailer level then take a measurement where the top of the ball goes. Make the ball on the tow vehicle match or a little higher for squat. You can engrave or paint the hitch height on the tongue
With that Helmut on i thought i was watching an episode of C.H.I.P.s!
Ya I remember the 3 characters. You had John, Panch and this new guy here Paunch.
I just got my Lightning a little over a week ago. It's a base lariat with extended range battery. I am still waiting for an electrician to finish hookup my my RV hookup. So I have been main charging at some local fast chargers. But I also charged at home on 120v. I don't drive all that often during a normal week. I added 26% in 43 hours. I have a Rockwood Extreme popup camper. Once I get my RV hookup in, I am going to do some tests with it. With my 2016 with the 2.7L, I increased the efficiency by lifting the truck and getting the camper even with the bed. But we will see with the electric.
I guess we are living different lives, this truck is perfect for 95%,(or more)of my life. I hope ford is able to get this to people like me. I have a order but not sure what the dealership is planning.
Probably take your order and flip it to dealer stock at a mark up. Dealerships are doing that on the Bronco.
Would love to see how much energy it used with a atv in the bed
Curious the range if you were to load that porsche from the office or one of the other cars thats around 3000lbs on that aluminum trailer. Would be interesting to see the range the truck does with a more aerodynamic 5500-6500lbs.
The lightning would be ideal for 80% of my needs. The problem is the other 20% involves towing a boat 275 miles to the lake and towing a horse trailer. The electric pickup is a no go in those situations.
Agreed. I would swap our current truck for one in a heartbeat if it was even remotely practical for towing our travel trailer.
If there was electrify America charger on the way with enough room for a boat you'd be fine. Those chargers would get you to 80 percent in like 15 mins
@@Shiftheads Yeah...all you have to do is get large amounts of power to remote areas that don't have power or have little power. Then you have to have enough chargers to make sure everyone's truck gets charged. No problems with that at all.
@@davec.3198 90 percent of the world has electricity. The remote areas aren't a concern. The goal is to get people that drive every day into electric cars. You're talking about an issue for one percent of the people that have cars and no electricity in remote areas. Less people have clean water and plumbing then electricity
@@Shiftheads Why is that "the goal"? Why not just drive a car that gets great mpg?
Who did the analysis that shows EV's in their current state are better for the environment with the massive investment we will need in power generation?
The topic here is trucks. They are a different animal. Case in point, this thread/post.
I love it but its not for me. I have a Chevy bolt I bought super cheap 4.5mi/kwh for the bulk of our family needs and the F150 for everything else i.e. road trips, work, emergency, camper, etc. If it was more efficient in the future it might move the needle a bit, but your lariat cost more than both my vehicles.
Well, yeah--Bolts are super cheap because they didn't sell well and they did have some mechanical issues which probably affected the sale price. And what year is your F-150, btw?
Similar for me. Sierra 1500 and Kona Electric. Big power and big range when I need it, and great efficiency when I don’t.
@@RyanRKJ nice! I bought the bolt because it was the cheapest new car on the lot. I was indifferent on EVs but now ive really grown to like them
Leaving those rubber things in, in a salt belt area, actually holds the salt into the hitch and makes a worse mess. Removing it allows the salt to be flushed out. You live in Colorado I don't expect you to know such things. I know this hitch thing from experience with my personal vehicles out here on the east coast.
Even better, leave a hitch ball in the receiver over the winter. Have fun in the spring when you need to swap that 2" out for a 1-7/8"... I'll be sitting over here laughing my butt off.
@@nothingtoseaheardammit Been there done that lol. Think it involved drilling out the pin, not the cotter pin either. Haha.
What if it was lubricated every few months?
@@Malc664 The problem
is when the salt water gets held in place with no place to escape. Lubricating would slow that down but not stop it. Best would be to remove it, then lubricate.
Ford is pricing them at the “We don’t want to build these price” and people are still lining up. Expect more price hikes soon.
Let me fix this for you. Every company WANTS to build something that people line up for. Ford is pricing them at the "We can't build enough of these to even remotely meet the demand price". These trucks would definitely work for our construction company but until they can get these down to equivalent ICE truck level pricing, its a no go.
@@darpompie4354 even at the 2023 price increase 48000 a 2022 xl 5.0 4x4 crew cab 49000. . they actual raised the price to the equivalent ice f150
@@jeffforbes70 You're right! I haven't bought in a while. Not sure if the crazy prices jumped because of the chip shortage or what happened. 50k for a bottom of the line half ton is insane. I guess we'll be keeping what we got for a while.
@@darpompie4354 you used to count on 7000 rebate and the dealer coming down 4 or 5 k. now people are lucky to pay msrp.
Tumbleweed is becoming my favorite ranch!
I dont tow often id still buy this truck 100%
Batteries will eventually come from USA. An Australian company called Controlled Thermal is extracting lithium out of geothermal brine northeast of San Diego as we speak. They're also building machines to make power from the naturally hot water. They think ultimately they can get 1.1 GW out of power (at any given time) and 300,000 tons of lithium every year for the next 100 years. 🙂
Not sure how to think of it. I drive to a cabin thats about 2-3hrs away with 1-2 dirt bikes or a atv in the bed of my truck. Not sure how badly they would affect the range getting there. Also there is no power at the cabin. I just did a search and the closest charging station is an hr away. Charging infrastructure is just not ready for for long distance electric driving through the country. I still feel the best set up is what Jeep is going with 4xE. Best if both worlds and they give you options with how you want yo use your electric/gas power. Hopefully they put 4xE in the RAMs eventually.
You tared/zeroed the load of the trailer then you added the atv. So when you put the atv on the scale it only read the weight of the atv.
Ten minutes to read the manual before doing a video is too much to ask.
My tow-package-equipped 2019 Ford Ranger includes the trailer-length in the blind-spot-detection. Very weird that the 2023 Lightning won't do that.
Hey guys, why don't you revert back to the stock wheel/tire combination?
It would work for all MY needs. I don’t want to tow anything other than locally and don’t want to drive more than 300 miles at a time on a trip.
Good video Roman/Alex, you both had a laugh doing this one, Roman you said it cost $17 to get it to 90% at home, in total you used 37% of the charge from home to completion of the trip in 100 temps with A/C in the Cab and on your butts 👍 keepin them britches cool, 🤣 so it cost you only $6.29 to go near 100 miles, thats cheap as chips man gas is around 5 bucks/gallon non of your other trucks could do it that cheap, I have been saving what i can when possible to buy one last vehicle when i retire in 6 yrs and i am hoping it will be a decent enough down payment for either a new Ev of a sort or ice vehicle ,one can only hope/try their best
Just think, you only need to pay $30k extra (with interest on the auto loan) to save all that money on gas. Or you could buy a Powerboost hybrid. 😂🤡
The only thing is charging will not remain that cheap because Uncle Sam isn’t going wait much longer to collect road tax on charging.
I am curious about around town usage in the winter. I would like to see a similar test done in January.
Will do
It would work for me too. Towing our track day trailer to Summit Point (6x12 cargo, about 5000 lbs) is about 90 miles round trip. We go about a dozen times a season. No road charging would be needed and having electrical outlets for tire warmers is great. Occasional trips to VIR or NJ Motorsports are >200 miles and would require charging on the road, but those are once or twice a season.
Honestly I think the next big idea is a hybrid 3/4 HD truck. Something that is efficient for just driving around and still can tow with a lot of range. Theres a lot of room to work with on 3/4 tons, which makes me think this can be possible.
Fully EV work trucks is not the play
If I could afford it. I would have a lightning for my everyday driver. And a Silverado 2500 6.2 for hauling my toys to the riding spots
Sorry I'm old and have a 2013 Ford F150 with the coyote motor. She does everything I ask her to do.
Love the content. My favorite CZcams channel by far. I don't know where all the lightning/ev hate comes from. Ride in one and you'll change your mind. Also everyone saying a 30k premium for the lightning. I just did a build and price for a lariat powerboost with comparable options to your exact lightning and it comes to 72k before destination. With the federal tax rebate and any state rebates ( I live in Illinois and there's a 4k rebate) the lightning is cheaper than ice . Factor in savings from fuel and maintenance and it's savings get even better.
Here's something they should make, they should put wheel alternators aftermarket for trailers to help regen, I mean it's already spinning
You'd only have a use for regenerative trailer brakes if the braking needs exceed the regen capacity of the tow vehicle. The trailer's momentum is transferred to the tow vehicle where that additional force can be captured by the regenerative braking on the tow vehicle.
It would actually lose range because of the losses in the energy conversion.
Answering all the important questions. Thanks for the great content.
I think that scale is telling you, you want to be at 0lbs. meaning if you have the correct tongue weight, it would read 0lbs, because you already entered in the weight of the trailer when you entered in the trailer settings. it's telling you to take weight off of the tongue or add weight to the tongue if that makes sense. Meaning it is calculating the correct toungue weight based on the weight of the trailer you entered.
I think when you turn on the truck it resets the scale to zero like a tare function on a scale. You put the trailer on and then turned on the truck so maybe it zeroed out with the trailer and that’s why it was all off
I frequently go offroading down south quite a bit and I live in Ohio, towing a UTV on a long road trip like that the electric truck range just isn't there yet for what I do, an occasional trip to a local lake towing a boat, sure it would probably be OK for that and daily commuting, etc. For me I would need a towing range of something like 400-600 miles before I would begin to consider an electric truck. I also worry over time the EV's battery life will degrade just like a cell phone does.
It's the Ford Edsel Lightning. What are you guys smoking and where can I get some!
"I think that entrepreneur with the ancient sh*tbox f-250 might be the ideal use case for this $80k half ton." ... sorry, couldn't help it.
Yall must of ruffled Fords feathers with that tow test and Alaska trip.
I'm looking forward to seeing yall getting back to testing and show casing some real trucks.
It has to be called The TRX of ATV's because Yamaha makes a Raptor sports ATV.. TY for the fun vid, love y'all.
Filling a gasoline/diesel vehicle from almost empty to 90% will cost more than $17. But will the same towing test use 30-40% of its fuel capacity?
I own a small construction company and live in a small city, I think an EV would probably be fine for most of my jobs with hauling lumber or pulling a trailer in town. However, I do have some jobs that are 100 miles out of town and I think I would be in trouble getting back home at the end of the day. I think I will stay with my gasoline pickup for now.
I do like the styling of the Ford lighting though.
Even if it had more range, what will a business guy do when there's a blackout in the middle of the night and the truck doesn't charge up, or what if you just forgot? Imagine being late to a big job just because you didn't get enough charge.
For the price point of a Ford lightening they really do suck. Need to be honest about that fact, I personally could not afford something like that and tow what I currently tow with that much less when winter comes around and you are plowing through snow in -30F ambient temperatures. Too much unknown about the longevity of the vehicle or battery. Its a neat pickup but nothing worth the money for what you get out of it. May as well hitch up a horse trailer to a Porsche. My 2 cents about it but I'm glad you guys like it.
Congratulations to Roman for showing why Andre is the truck guy.
If this truck shown (with the bigger battery) was $40,000 then even with its short comings it would be a home run. But when your near $80k those short comings become deal breakers.
They only thing that makes me feel good is, EV's are still new and manufactures are still learning, so the tech is only going to improve and as more are made you will start to get more for your dollar.
Why is that again? A gas 5.0 or 3.5 hybrid xl crew cab awd truck optioned so it's comparable to a base lightning is 53-55k when I just built out a couple to compare the other day on Ford's build n price. 🤔
And neither can power your house like the lightning, neither can do 0-60mph in 4s flat or run the 1/4mile in 12s. Or run off free energy that many places offer right now for ev drivers only like at work, malls, gyms etc.
Plus the lightning has multiple federal state and or local incentives available for it. Many states also give you a carpool sticker because it's an afv/zev vehicle and or offer reduced toll lane fees.
yall just happen to have a 18,000 dollar atv laying around haha
Thanks for all the hard work you all do at TFL! Another informative and well done episode. I started binge watching the tumbleweed series yesterday, almost all caught up, can't wait to see more 😁 I am very interested in an electric pickup, but the episodes where you powered a house with the hybrid F-150 have me thinking it would be perfect for off grid camping
This truck is a BEAST!
Pro trailer assist is basically the I'm too stupid to backup a trailer myself switch
Can we get a Tumbleweed Ranch update video. It was nice to see the barn framing up already in the back ground. Today I binged watched the first 8 videos.
I lot of them never made it to my home page suggestion list.
I'll get caught up.
Roman quickly touched on an issue with ev’s, China-sourced batteries. The geopolitical complexities are real and China has access rights to a lot of rare earth minerals. Nothing we can do but will need to be addressed at some point.
So instead of building our oil and gas infrastructure here in the US, where we do it cleaner than anywhere else in the world - we're going to become beholden to the Chinese - who btw are renowned for their environmental sensitivities - to provide us with the go-juice for our fancy golf carts. Brilliant. Amazing. Wonderful.
The lightning uses sk innovation batteries though made at the plant right here in commerce GA.
If your worried about mineral sourcing? The just passed ira will address a lot of those concerns here shortly.
Ev manufacturers won't have a choice not to use U.S. based minerals or source them from countries with trade agreements with us.
Also every $1 spent charging an ev has over .60c stay in the U.S. economy currently. But every $1 spent on gas or diesel has over .70c go outside our economy. So you buy a lightning built here in the U.S. in detroit with U.S. sourced batteries and use U.S. generated electricity and that's the ticket to domestic energy security and our $ going to industry that's only supporting Americans.
@@4literv6 strip mining the US for rare earth minerals is now “better” for the environment somehow because….
@@CommonSense823 are you that clueless Ryan seriously? The average ice vehicle also requires mining, also uses cobalt and lithium because metallurgy use both of those elements, also has a lead acid battery underhood, the average new car sold now has over 20+electric motors in it.
Cobalt water and electricity is also used at every single refinery for every barrel of crude that is refined. The fossil fuel industry is still the number 2 Consumer of Cobalt worldwide. And that won't stop as long as we continue burning crude oil.
But we have ev batteries which do not use nickle or cobalt anymore.
Catalytic converters also use rare earths in their construction called platinum metals groups. In fact 60-90% of the mining directly for those metals is because we need them for cats. We make hundreds of millions of those each year btw worldwide.
Engine air filters? Evs don't use those but we make hundreds of millions of them each year for gas guzzlers to dirty and then we throw them into landfills or dumps.
Spark plugs? Hundreds of millions are made each year and the expensive ones use rare earths for the tips. 02 sensors can also use rare earths in their construction.
Ever lookup the invormental impact of oil changes bud? We do over 420,000,000 of those just here in the us each year. Less than 60% of the oil is even recycled. The oil that gets recycled requires a gallon of used oil just to get 2.5 useable quarts back.
We throw away over 150,000 TONS of steel just from the oil filters. And recycling the oil uses more energy to move it, store it, reprocess it which takes water and electricity. Then move it back to a store after we recontainerize it etc.
@@4literv6 so touchy and so wrong on so many points. We should definitely start digging up all of America instead of cleanly drilling for ample oil. We should definitely build more and more (hundreds of thousands) power plants to charge our green ideology because we’re “saving the planet”.
The truck does do blind spot monitoring for the trailer when you put it in. It doesn't have the backup warning with the trailer.
Another informative video. Thanks. It’d be interesting to see how much energy it will use at -40.
Stay tuned
I really hope that the federal government does not approve the rebates just so the electric car industry has to stand on their own two feet. Sad when you have to hope for a rebates to sell your tech to keep competitive.
I really do appreciate all your video's because they are honest. Electric is awesome but also not practical. I could only know this due to your great video's. I drive long distances to and from work which would be great for me if I could recharge fast and could just honestly afford a very much over priced truck. In ten years will they be as dependable. How much would they cost then? Will they be a disposable item? Pickups are made to be practical and usefully. Sadly these work electric work trucks are just not meeting the standard for a gas or diesel work truck. If you were to choose from the different work trucks gas, diesel or electric which would you want to keep for ever. You have time to time again proven trough your great entertaining and scientific testing that these electric scams are not worth it for the normal Joe like me. I love your work. Thanks.
for short towing it will be fine but for long distances, it hasn't got there yet as the one you are disputing showed us the usage yours is the long-range he was the short-range plus he did have the same trailer but a heavier load but he drove not conservative so his truck sapped the power if he had been conservative then he would have got further but it did show it wasn't ideal to tow with the short range and he's not paid by ford or scared of losing test runs in future runs so if you want to tow short distances then get a long range and you will be fine but the short range has its shortcomings yes it tows brilliantly it's just the amount of power it consumes isn't quite there yet but with new batteries coming onto the market soon and in the future with lighter batteries and more power crammed in so within the time limit when all EV's come onto the market by 2030 I do think they will have cracked the charging times and power and distance travelled were as a 1000 mile between charges will be the norm and quick charging or even battery swapping may come into favour who knows but at the moment get a long distance ford for short journeys using a trailer then you will be fine so yes the short range driven as normal towing does suck but a long range manages it if driven conservatively that much we know I love the truck I have to say if I could afford one and they made a right handed drive one I would buy one for sure as I am not into towing but I love pickups I've had landrover pickups toyota a ford 150 which is smaller and right hand drive in the UK I know of a lot of people who would buy the 150 if they made it right hand drive which is simple to do now its an EV I just wish ford would do it like they did the mustang 5 litre an ev new model in right hand drive come on ford do us a right hand drive and I will put my order down for the long range tomorrow but alas that ain't going to happen.
My 22 f350 recognizes the trailer with blind spot monitoring. Is it because you don’t have tow mirrors?
10:29 Can't you just hook that on the bigger hook? Still, I understand that the safety chains are supposed to fully tow the trailer if the hitch pops off, so their attachments have to be strong, but that doesn't excuse Ford from coming up with something better.
“These are going to come back” 😀 Actually, that old helmet is actually starting to look stylish to my eyes!
As a rider, they shouldn't come back. Full face protection is the only way to go. Ever seen the scratches on the front of a helmet after a get-off?
@@davec.3198 Agreed. I had a crash with an open face helmet and took the skin off my chin. Could have been worse.
Why do you have the huge chains from the trailer to the hitch? In Europe we use a thin wire that is connected to the trailers brakes/park brake so if the trailer tongue falls off the wire applies the trailer brakes and then snaps. This means the trailer stops and the car is free of the trailer so no issues with the trailer hitting the car causing damage and/or dangerous situations.
id use the lightning for everything, including long distance heavy hauls, it would just be a pita plannning the a trip to hit a charger every hundred miles or there bouts and all the extra time to charge id have to figure that extra time into the trip
Depending on where you're going, there are rural areas that you'll be SOL.
Roman looks like a CHiPs officer with that skid lid!
I would expect it to be fine for this kind of towing. Aerodynamics are so important. Towing a travel trailer would kill the range but then again I wouldn’t tow mine with an F150 anyway. It would be pushing it to its towing and payload limits. All depends on your use case.
Tows great when the load isn't an RV/travel-trailer basically. All about the aero.
The biggest plus for the Lightning: When your friends ask you to help them move 100+ miles away because you have a truck…. Sorry, I can’t. It’s a Lightning.
They drove to the Northern tip of Alaska in this Lightening with no charging infrastructure up there. It can probably go over 100 miles.
@@Josh-179 watch the video where they actually tried it. It can’t.
You couldn’t have used a ramp and loaded the Quad into the back? Maybe with the tailgate down?
I think he said the quad was extra wide width so maybe too wide for the bed?
Too big
Could you show how it does towing a pop up trailer, or a teardrop?
They did something close to that, with the 6000lb. trailer (it looked like a teardrop from the front) that they tested against a Chevy 2500 HD with a similar trailer. They only to about 100 miles of range, before having to charge up again. I guess a 2-3K pop-up might fare better.
@@lego4virgo yep. I remember that one. I selfishly want to see something smaller like a 1,500 - 2,000 pop up, or teardrop because that’s what I hope to be towing. I’m crossing my fingers it preforms better than that taller 6k trailer did.
BLIS will work with the trailer. There is another spot to put in those numbers. Also there is a software bug that causes those measurements to reset every so often, sometimes after every other key cycle. VERY annoying. Have a 22 F150 HDPP 157 tow rig. Many on the F150 forums with the same BLIS issue
Ha you did a towing video awesome. I just commented on the tug of war video about towing specs.
I wouldn’t think twice about buying this truck and towing 1000+ miles if DC chargers were plentiful and were pull throughs.
As an NC resident it’s kind of sad that you guys out there know what Carolina squat is.
It wouldn't work for me. What I tow is to heavy for that to be worth while. Thank for the information, great video!
Why don't you just load the atv in the back of the truck and eliminate the trailer it would save you from hauling extra weight