@@williethomas9953no he got shot cause he was at the wrong place and the wrong time... Spinner was to blame cause he's the one who send the nerd to the edge
Me too, but honestly for the time period it was amazing how much we did get at all, they rectified this later with Tristan by giving him non gay storylines. Sucks that Tristan was insufferable tho.
yeah the way they went about his character was some what interesting and different i mean i get not wanting to lose your first love but your right that dylan thing was toxic and he was obsessed they could of done better by giving him a real relationship
To think this was only 17-20 years ago. People complain about lgbt representation being too “in your face” and celebrated these days but it wasn’t too long ago that kids would be relentlessly bullied for being gay or sent to conversion therapy and it would be looked at as a “reasonable response” to homosexuality. It’s more accepted to be gay in a lot of countries these days and that’s why so many people are advocating for more representation into media.
@@isaactheworshipwarrior6687IKR, didn't even have the guts to own it. Was going start a rumor with plausible deniability until getting caught by Jimmy.
Me too I wish we had more scenes with Dylan and Jay, that would have been very different and nice to see. I could see Dylan beating up Jay, he wasn't about his nonsense.
In 2024 this might seem exaggerated, but it's not. When I was a freshman, I remember a popular guy in my class saying the same exact line "Why don't we just put all gay people on an island or something?" and the teacher didn't reprimand him at all. This was 2005 but I will never forget that and I remember feeling so disgusted but I didn't feel brave enough to say anything. It was so prevalent back then.
Even to this day there a lot of people who still don't like gay people... And they use their bible as a reason why, hide behind their book to spout hatred towards us... And some aren't even religious but hate us too just because ... Ignorance because they don't know how much we suffered
I remember when Spinner and Marco's actors reenacted Marco's coming out scene 10 years later, and even did a role swap version too, with Spinner coming out as gay.
I felt bad for marco. Im not gay . But im sure it was hard for marco to tell his father that hes gay especially knowing how his father feels about gays and saying it in front of the entire school . And it didnt help that his dad didnt want to sit down and talk to him and just live in denial after he told him. Spinner didnt help either by writing it on the wall in the bathroom and for how he treated him in gym class .
I am not religious and I have nothing against gay people. In the Bible, it is very strongly against homosexuality. The following verses clearly state that. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Roman 1:18-32, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13 and Genesis 19. Even if you believe that silly Garden Of Eden story, God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
I'm not religious and I don't care about anyone that is gay. Because it doesn't matter to me at all. But I do like Jay saying hey buddy don't drop anything infront of homochuk.
I wish you would have kept the bit after he gets attacked at the park where Jimmy runs all the way to him after that phone call.. I don't know why it's just a moving moment He hears his friend is in trouble He runs trying to find him and then just hold him as he breaks down because he's a true friend and isn't going to judge his friend for breaking down He's going to support him and hug him and let him cry that shit out without a bit of judgement... They both laid their bits well Marco played the tragedy Jimmy played the support and concern... It was a really moving scene
I couldn't stand the Jimmy character until he started to support Marco and was eventually nice to Rick, then I hated Spinner after that for a long time.
@@xxkarlosxxxxxx7233 True, and Marco's dad still loved him and didn't kick him out of the house. And like I mentioned, Marco's dad still accepted him nonetheless, Zoe's mom on the other hand completely disowned her and actually dropped off her birth certificate to her at her graduation.
My biggest trigger is the rivalry between Christians and the LGBTQIA+ community. I don’t know much about religion, but I do know that the Gospel of Jesus Christ was NEVER intended to used as a means for division! It was NEVER intended to be used as a weapon! The Gospel of Jesus Christ was supposed to be an example of LOVE, SERVICE, FAMILY, FRIENDSHIP. Jesus Christ NEVER looked down on a single soul! We are FAILING our Lord and Savior with how much division is in our world today!
🥺 i didnt realize Spinner was so off kilter toward homosexuals. That saddens me. But Marco enduring all that he did, is truly the sad thing because he had to live it.
I know it's 2 different shows, but I need to ask this, how is it that Marco, a Gay man on Degrassi: The Next Generation, who only had one sex partner at this time, got grief about Blood donation, but Shane, a Lesbian woman from The L Word, had multiple female partners and was a sex worker at one point, has never gotten a checkup?
because its the sad reality that happens to a lot of teens especially in early 2000s thats why i love degrassi it wasnt afraid to go there and show the real life problems teens deal with, sometimes even behind the curtain
@@NoonecaresaboutyouuHe didn't bother say nothing to him. He didn't complain about Spinner still continuing to hang with him even after the school shooting
@@Darkrose517 Maybe, but somehow Marco and Sean seem like it would make for a better storyline. But then again, Marco did kiss Craig. Even though it was on impulse.
I always hated it when jumped by bullies because he’s gay and he’s homosexual it cost by getting jumped by the bullies it’s wasn’t be pretty and it’s pretty horrible also pretty scary to watch oh and it’s pretty saddening heartbreaking too Marco he should’ve come clean too he’s whole friends and he’s parents also it’s pretty painful for Marco
Why are Marcos parents walking stereotypes?! I feel like there was supposed to be some sort of plot line of him being a son of immigrants and culture shock but it never got off the ground.
Marco is a Canadian of Italian parents. Who told you he was from Spain??? The real-life actor who plays him is also of Italian parentage. Where do YOU get your information from??
I have nothing against gay guys. Love is love. Don't try to stop it. The only thing I hate is when a gay guy is hitting on me. Yuck! Now I know how a woman feels when a guy is hitting on her when she does not have the slightest bit of interest in him.
Yeah well as a straight guy that I could be Bi but I'm not going to act on it though. Because I'm easy going for anyone if it's a girl hitting on me or a guy hitting on me and honestly I wouldn't mind it at all.
at every point jimmy was always supportive
Then it was all Paige's fault for Marco getting involved with her gay brother Dylan in the first place.
@@thefighter5182 huh?
Jimmy was a good friend and got shot for his troubles.
@@williethomas9953no he got shot cause he was at the wrong place and the wrong time... Spinner was to blame cause he's the one who send the nerd to the edge
@@thefighter5182 it wasn't 😂😂😂 don't give her that credit lol... Marco had a crush on him ever since he saw him
I love how Spin got offended that Marco doesn’t find him attractive.
It was because Marco was being rude to Spin by saying all of that about Spin.
@@thefighter5182 I know.
I was over here like bro wernt you upset that you thought he was into you 😂
honestly in that episode that was my favorite scene him getting offended
He's upset that when Drake wrote that song
I wish they gave Marco more plots than dealing with homophobia or obsessing with Dylan
He later developed a gambling addiction and nearly pimps himself out for $$
Uhhh does him being a teacher im one of later seasons count?
Me too, but honestly for the time period it was amazing how much we did get at all, they rectified this later with Tristan by giving him non gay storylines. Sucks that Tristan was insufferable tho.
yeah the way they went about his character was some what interesting and different i mean i get not wanting to lose your first love but your right that dylan thing was toxic and he was obsessed they could of done better by giving him a real relationship
I hated how Marco was treated in the earlier seasons but I'm glad people accepted him towards the end. Marco was such a nice character.
I know I feel bad for him
i cant believe how far spinner came from his early days
I know. I was so proud of him. He honestly had the best character development on the entire show 😅
He started becoming my crush at the end lol
@@rbishop95idk but best but yeah 😂 spinner was the screw up homophobic bully 😂😂😂
@@DonovanRobinson420omg eww crush on Spinner no way lol... Even in the end I couldn't even crush on him
@@xxkarlosxxxxxx7233 I have a thing for problematic straight guys who try to turn over a new leaf okay, leave me alone 😂
The guy that plays Marco is a such a great actor
Adamo Ruggiero
@@omarcogle1965 yes great actor
Adams was a great actor in Degrassi. I had the biggest crush on him. However Adamo is gay himself. He’s still handsome
And I'm glad he got to play a gay character being gay himself ...
@@xxkarlosxxxxxx7233 I know me too
"Mostly Spinner being awkwardly homophobic" - there, fixed it for you. :D
I felt so bad for Marco when he got jumped
right
@@xrrgrI loved when Jimmy was there for Marco, he was a true friend
@@advisedgnu69backup72 same, he really is
So heartbreaking 😭
@@brey1720Jimmy is an amazing friend, he was there for Marco when he got jumped
honestly forgot how much they say f-g. I only remembered Spinner writing it on the wall in the boys bathroom
To think this was only 17-20 years ago. People complain about lgbt representation being too “in your face” and celebrated these days but it wasn’t too long ago that kids would be relentlessly bullied for being gay or sent to conversion therapy and it would be looked at as a “reasonable response” to homosexuality. It’s more accepted to be gay in a lot of countries these days and that’s why so many people are advocating for more representation into media.
U mean fag
The f word was edited out of the American version
But the f word isn't edited out of the Canadian version
@@thefighter5182 I know it wasn't. There's no reason to edit out anything
spinner gets the TINYEST bit of respect for keeping marcos info to himself and not running and telling it lol
He didn’t though. He wrote it in the bathroom.
@@PlayfulFruitLPerI was about to say that lol
@@isaactheworshipwarrior6687IKR, didn't even have the guts to own it. Was going start a rumor with plausible deniability until getting caught by Jimmy.
I love how Dylan scared Jay in Jay’s first scene on Degrassi. What a bad ass
I know right, I wish Dylan had stayed a badass instead of becoming the lying cheating scumbag that he did 🙁
I know right
Jay was never scared by Dylan. Because Jay always stayed as a badass and Dylan didn't.
@@thefighter5182 well Dylan still stood up to him, I like that
Me too I wish we had more scenes with Dylan and Jay, that would have been very different and nice to see. I could see Dylan beating up Jay, he wasn't about his nonsense.
In 2024 this might seem exaggerated, but it's not. When I was a freshman, I remember a popular guy in my class saying the same exact line "Why don't we just put all gay people on an island or something?" and the teacher didn't reprimand him at all. This was 2005 but I will never forget that and I remember feeling so disgusted but I didn't feel brave enough to say anything. It was so prevalent back then.
Even to this day there a lot of people who still don't like gay people... And they use their bible as a reason why, hide behind their book to spout hatred towards us... And some aren't even religious but hate us too just because ... Ignorance because they don't know how much we suffered
Spinner was terrible in early seasons
But at least he grew as a person.
I remember when Spinner and Marco's actors reenacted Marco's coming out scene 10 years later, and even did a role swap version too, with Spinner coming out as gay.
I felt bad for marco. Im not gay . But im sure it was hard for marco to tell his father that hes gay especially knowing how his father feels about gays and saying it in front of the entire school . And it didnt help that his dad didnt want to sit down and talk to him and just live in denial after he told him. Spinner didnt help either by writing it on the wall in the bathroom and for how he treated him in gym class .
Yeah well Spinner did nothing wrong because he didn't tell anyone about it because he doesn't need to and that's why.
@@thefighter5182The thing is that Spinner did out Marco, not in public but writing it on the Bathroom wall.
Yeah well bummer times, at least there's a party.
“hello catholic over here”
“so just cause i’m gay i can’t be christian”
marco you can be both, gay & confused we still love you
I am not religious and I have nothing against gay people. In the Bible, it is very strongly against homosexuality. The following verses clearly state that. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Roman 1:18-32, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13 and Genesis 19. Even if you believe that silly Garden Of Eden story, God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
I'm not religious and I don't care about anyone that is gay. Because it doesn't matter to me at all. But I do like Jay saying hey buddy don't drop anything infront of homochuk.
i love he was able to continue with the play, finally being free
I cried watching this show. My little gay boy heart was breaking. Seeing this brings back so much trauma.
at least we got twinky peter in the later seasons to crush on
@@user-gt2lp6ym4n I'm not a twink lover. But I suppose he was cute to look at.
@@user-gt2lp6ym4n I'm not TWINK-sexual
@@averymartin321 haha okay
And ?
Never understood this type shit in real life just let him be is that so hard smh
Marco stood up for himself and told his father he was gay. I'm gay! Totally gay! Then you don't wanna know me.
Marco: *Tries to perform heimlich manuver*
Spinner: "Nah that's gay. I'll just die instead."
I loved loved loved Marco. One of my most favs of the entire thing
I’m so happy Spinner and Marcos parents came around he’s amazing and his sexual identity doesn’t define him
I'm glad Marco decked Linus he had it coming
That was uncalled for on Marcos part. He should’ve just walked away
@I know I’m gay when I say this but agreed
@@IKnowImGayWhenISayThisBut nah, people like Linus don't learn unless you put them in their place
Linus is right about Marco even if you don't agree with it.
Spinner should have been there for Marc
I wish you would have kept the bit after he gets attacked at the park where Jimmy runs all the way to him after that phone call.. I don't know why it's just a moving moment He hears his friend is in trouble He runs trying to find him and then just hold him as he breaks down because he's a true friend and isn't going to judge his friend for breaking down He's going to support him and hug him and let him cry that shit out without a bit of judgement... They both laid their bits well Marco played the tragedy Jimmy played the support and concern... It was a really moving scene
I know Jimmy was and is one of the good ones they should've put spinner in the wheel chair instead of Jimmy
@@adammcknight2006fuk 😂😂😂 lol but yeah he's also the reason why jimmy ended up shot don't forget that
16:56 “Super.” -I love Jay 😂🤣
This was a great show covering topics most won't at so young an age adult theme all of the Degrassi show
The early 2000s really was this bad when it came to homophobia. I don’t miss it at ALL.
I hated spinner.
Trusting friends in your teens is challenging…
Jimmy shook his head at Marco because Jay said Marco is gay.
Wasn't Jay also in Degrassi for like 10yrs 😂😂😂
the random clicks and shit really got to me
I couldn't stand the Jimmy character until he started to support Marco and was eventually nice to Rick, then I hated Spinner after that for a long time.
Yeah I don't like bullies or people who look to pray on the weak.
I think Marco Dad knew deep down.....he was in Denial....the way his eyes get watery when Marco Makes the comments with Hints
At least Marco's dad was more accepting than Zoe's mom.
@@omarcogle1965not really it took a while for his dad to accept him... The only reason why he accepted him was because he knew he would loose him...
@@xxkarlosxxxxxx7233 True, and Marco's dad still loved him and didn't kick him out of the house. And like I mentioned, Marco's dad still accepted him nonetheless, Zoe's mom on the other hand completely disowned her and actually dropped off her birth certificate to her at her graduation.
God I remember these days
Spinner was a jerk lol
Yeah but he changes in later seasons
That scene where Marco got jumped always makes me cry. And then when jimmy found him 😭
What episode is this ? 5:14
I feel for this young man💔💔💔💔
I miss Marco
The real homophobia is the set of hairstyles they made him have throughout the years
Love how Jimmy was always the voice of reason. Jimmy > Drake
16:15 The Linus part pissed me off.
Linus didn't deserve it
We Should Accept People For Who They Are
Spinner was so funny the way he’ was homophonic with Marco at 8:25 and 9:45 😂😂🤣
The acting is something ? wow what times we live in
I feel bad for all the shit he had to go through
I knew it I knew you were gonna touch me 😂
YO I HATE JAY 🤣🤣😭😭 16:55
My biggest trigger is the rivalry between Christians and the LGBTQIA+ community. I don’t know much about religion, but I do know that the Gospel of Jesus Christ was NEVER intended to used as a means for division! It was NEVER intended to be used as a weapon! The Gospel of Jesus Christ was supposed to be an example of LOVE, SERVICE, FAMILY, FRIENDSHIP. Jesus Christ NEVER looked down on a single soul! We are FAILING our Lord and Savior with how much division is in our world today!
🥺 i didnt realize Spinner was so off kilter toward homosexuals. That saddens me. But Marco enduring all that he did, is truly the sad thing because he had to live it.
❤❤❤❤❤❤
I know it's 2 different shows, but I need to ask this, how is it that Marco, a Gay man on Degrassi: The Next Generation, who only had one sex partner at this time, got grief about Blood donation, but Shane, a Lesbian woman from The L Word, had multiple female partners and was a sex worker at one point, has never gotten a checkup?
13:49 lol
marco said spinner shut up okay
5:00
They did not half to treat Marco like that because he was gay.
because its the sad reality that happens to a lot of teens especially in early 2000s thats why i love degrassi it wasnt afraid to go there and show the real life problems teens deal with, sometimes even behind the curtain
You're forgetting that people are people.
You're forgetting that people are straight
This was the early 2000s where it felt like a witch hunt for gays.
Yeah agreed
i thought the sting would hurt less when i got older but
16:59 - 17:01 Why was Jimmy looking like that? 😂
Coz maybe he was reacting to how Jay hasn’t changed and was still the same jerk
@@NoonecaresaboutyouuHe didn't bother say nothing to him. He didn't complain about Spinner still continuing to hang with him even after the school shooting
They should do a reboot where Sean comes out of the Closet and falls for Marco and they become a couple.
Eh, I would prefer Marco and Craig.
@@Darkrose517 Maybe, but somehow Marco and Sean seem like it would make for a better storyline. But then again, Marco did kiss Craig. Even though it was on impulse.
Oh god I seen the reboot coming. They’ll be like 1 straight person on the show. Since it’s a crime these days to be straight
Ew
@@IKnowImGayWhenISayThisBut ??? that’s not even true wtf
Bully’s are always gay, remember that
I swear Jussie smollet watched the episode where Marco gets jumped in the park and revised it for his fabricated story. lol
lmao he definitely did 🤣
thati'mgay
I always hated it when jumped by bullies because he’s gay and he’s homosexual it cost by getting jumped by the bullies it’s wasn’t be pretty and it’s pretty horrible also pretty scary to watch oh and it’s pretty saddening heartbreaking too Marco he should’ve come clean too he’s whole friends and he’s parents also it’s pretty painful for Marco
Spinner use to be a real asshole, now he’s so nice his character development is one of the best on the show
Why are Marcos parents walking stereotypes?! I feel like there was supposed to be some sort of plot line of him being a son of immigrants and culture shock but it never got off the ground.
what do u mean off the ground, some cultures are quite homophobic, i experienced it from a family member and theyre polish devout catholic
spinnermason
But wait cousin Lou is a finnio
Is that Drake?
Yep
what?
don't get why they never gave marco a good boyfriend
Right? Tim (the actor dude) was alright. But Marco was just using him.
@@Slytherin1 yep, he ddated tim a rebound, dated dylan who was a poison, then dated that one guy when in college
I was the same age as them when this came out this hit me hard
Spinner was such a horrible character in his younger years.
Being gay is normal it's apart of life.
That isn't normal. Because that's unnatural.
@@thefighter5182 you're unnatural and so is that whack ass haircut
Someones bitter @@prixe12
Nowadays it's pronouns
No
I never realized how progressive or woke this show was nowadays Hollywood is pushing it
Degrassi TNG has always been woke
being gay positive
Marco started my obsession with Spanish men 😮💨 I blame him
Marco is a Canadian of Italian parents. Who told you he was from Spain??? The real-life actor who plays him is also of Italian parentage. Where do YOU get your information from??
Marcos story is something to root for ❤
His own fault for being gay
He didn't choose to be gay moron.
No one is born gay genius@@somnuswaltz5586
Your comment is as ignorant as you are I’m sure
I have nothing against gay guys. Love is love. Don't try to stop it. The only thing I hate is when a gay guy is hitting on me. Yuck! Now I know how a woman feels when a guy is hitting on her when she does not have the slightest bit of interest in him.
Yeah well as a straight guy that I could be Bi but I'm not going to act on it though. Because I'm easy going for anyone if it's a girl hitting on me or a guy hitting on me and honestly I wouldn't mind it at all.
The funniest thing that made this show age poorly is portraying cat calling as OK. Cat calling is wrong whether you do it to women or men lmao
Huh ?
@@RyanRoemer8624 typical Canadian response
How spinner says “pasta”