Sophronius' Christmas Sermon - 3 Minute Quran Study: Episode 16
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- Starting with this episode, we will be looking at sources from outside the Islamic world which are typically used to support the Islamic narrative.
In this episode, we're starting off with Sophronius' Christmas sermon which is often believed to confirm the idea of an Islamic invasion in Syria and Palestine around the year 634 AD which is when the sermon was held. We will see that Sophronius does not mention an invasion, nor sieges or captured cities.
#Islam #Quran #History #Education #Religion #Sophronius #SIN #3mqs
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I find it amazing the amount of information that is available but isn't widely spoken and recognized. All done in three minutes time.
A time will come when this channel will grow exponentially.
This is so professional.
perfect balance between professionalism and suiting the regular viewers awesome content keep it up we will soon expose islam for what it is.
Expose what? He doesn’t even have links in the description or comments. Then again I suppose that’s enough to confirm your biases isn’t it.
@@azarovwraith6352 Hi troll abdul your trollings wont stop the mission in here all you can do is keep ranting.
@@johnseventhday9145 lol name calling. So much for professionalism. Since you won’t reply (and can’t reply) with evidence, do me a favor and read your Bible. Maybe if you focus on it long enough you’ll start moving somewhere right. Maybe.
@@azarovwraith6352 So you say abdul is a insult right?atleast you are moving somewhere being a slave to nollah is indeed bad
@@johnseventhday9145 Abdul is not an insult to me no it’s more like an incomplete sentence. It means “worshipper of” without completing the sentence. More of an insult to the intelligence of who says than anything really.
Excellent and enlightening work, Thomas. I hope that some historically minded people from an Islamic background will consider it, so that we can have reasonable discussion rather than bitter polemics. Thank you. I look forward to your book.
His Christian apologetic arguments have already been debunked in several comments on his videos.
I agree. The Abbasid version of "Prophet Muhammad" was a later invention. I don't think Prophet Muhammad of the Hadith and Sirah existed. Maybe there is Arab King in 7th century who claim to be a Messiah (among the Syariac Christian, "Muhammad" is a Christological title for Jesus), or maybe claim to be some kind of Prophet. But I don't think there is a real Prophet Muhammad. Prophet Muhammad just figure created as a tool for the Abbasid to unite his people, by creating a counter-narration to the Byzantine Christianity.
Your theory is a later invention.
Isn't Mohammad an ancient Jim Jones, who decided to make himself the last prophet, even when he just talked about a explicitly greater "prophet", Jesus, for profit?
@@alonzoharris6730 lol Red Judaism is still waiting for a response from you hhhhh
@@alonzoharris6730
Exactly. That's because islame is a later invention
@@communionvision5914
Which response? Can you refresh my memory?
Thank's again T.A
Concise, succinct, brief and unemotional. Great!
Thomas with another video saying Christians cannot even safeguard and preserve chronicles and basic history tut tut
It will be always better to say Greek Chalcedon Patriach of Jerusalem in order to clear his position and situation. It makes it clear why he was not able to get into Bethlehem which may have been under the Majority non Chalcedon Monophysites locals.
Fun fact. It is abundantly clear from Sophronius himself that he is talking about Muslims (Saracens, Ishmaelites, Hagarites) whatever these Islamic warriors were seen as at that time. More proof that the SIN is correct. 😁
All three terms have existed long before there were Muslims. Your equation of those terms with Muslims is an anachronism.
Great work
That writing is un filterd since it corresponds with the time line when umar congured Jerusalem (637ad)so saphronius must be no doubt the one who added the key to umar
It certainly seems to corroborate the standard Islamic narrative in its description of the invaders as Saracens, Ishmaelites and Hagarites, doesn't it?
@@davidzack8735No. It is the SIN that claimed those terms referred to Muslims.
@@fantasia55 And "SIN" was correct.
Are saracens hagarites and ishmaelites refering to muslims?
The mohemadan Alonzo Harris is going to make an ad hominem comment as usual and will try to discredit the video but will never provide any substantial evidence for his claims.
The only time he even remotely came close to presenting any evidence it turned out to be a shia source. He cited a book from hasan muhammad ibn hanafiya who was the son of muhammad ibn hanafiya, a shia 🤣🤣🤣
Exactly brother I saw you in that thread you demolished that moran from now onwards if that guy trolls bring this topic to him in a loop let him respond or get irritated.
@@johnseventhday9145
I would request Christians not to respond to him on his thread. He posts the same comment in every video to offend Christians because he wants attention in order to increase his thread count.
All his arguments are based on ad hominem and untrue statements. Recently he fabricated a quote claiming it to be from Samuel Zwemer, a Christian missionary and posted it on DCCI.
@@johnseventhday9145
Alonzo Harris is a disciple of ibn fibbin who copypastes from a shia website. In fact ibn fibbin even copypastes the typos found on shia websites 🤣
Alonzo and ibn fibbin both don't know arabic. They copied the word "masaha" thinking it was the plural of masih from a shia website. They did not know it was a typo 😂
@@jxcess3891 even that masaha is in footnote
@mysotiras 011
Exactly. This is why some Christians call Alonzo "mr. Red herring guy"
Jerome never said in The Life of St. Hilarion that the Saracens were preventing Christians from going to Bethlehem. In fact he wrote The Life of St. Hilarion in Bethlehem. Sophronius here is talking about war that is completely cutting off the Christians from Bethlehem by the Arabs not some bands that could have easily been rebelled by the Byzantine army, especially with his reference to swords, daggers and bows.
Any thoughts on the transition of power from the Byzantines to the Arabs in Jerusalem? Do you think it's along the lines of the Nevo model?
I also think that we're initially looking at client states. Only later did they unite behind one leader, the first one we know of being Muawiya. At that point, many Arab leader might still have been clients in name only, but the reality was that they resurrected the Persian Empire under new rule.
@@TAlexander So do you accept Muawiya as a historical figure or not? Just asking.
Sophronius didnt know about Musclemans.
He handed to keys to Umar and we have chains of authentic narration. You're in denial
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Another great three minute video debunking Muslim claims, thank you Thomas
How does this debunk Muslim claims? In fact it proves that Thomas accepts that Patriarch Sophronius is a historical figure. He was denying his existence and that of Caliph Omar in his first videos in this series, so its only a matter of time before he admits that the standard Islamic narrative has some truth in it. 😁
@@davidzack8735
Dream on 😂
@@simonhengle8316 Fun fact. It was under Abu Bakr's caliphate in early 634CE that a major four-pronged attack was made on the Holy Land by Muslim forces who defeated a Byzantine army and took Damascus. This would explain why Patriarch Sophronius was unable to get to Bethlehem for Christmas 624CE due to this Saracen/Hagarite/Ishmaelite invasion. 😁
@@davidzack8735
😂 there weren’t any Muslims in the 7th century 😂
@@simonhengle8316 You say that there were no Muslim invaders in 634CE. So who is Sophronius referring to when he refers to Saracens in his Christmas sermon of 634CE?
Fun fact. At least in this video, Thomas admits the existence of Patriarch Sophronius of Jerusalem who in a couple of years after this Christmas sermon of 634CE will be forced to hand over the keys of Jerusalem to Caliph Omar, leader of these Saracens, Ishmaelites and Hagarites with daggers, swords and bows.' 😁
SIN Sifted 😍
Lol Key to the City hahahaha
So there were 3 separate heretical arabian groups: saracens, hagarenes and ismaelites...
Or three names for much the same group?
@@StephenCowley001 separate but might have formed alliances.
@mysotiras 011 chances are low. You don't use 3 separate names to call one person.
@@AndiWidjaja Fun fact. The Arabs before and after becoming Muslims were variously called Saracens, Ishmaelites and Hagarites. In his Christmas sermon, Sophronius is being theatrical and oratorical by using these three adjectives for the Muslim weapons of war with which they had overrun the Holy Land. 😁
@@davidzack8735 do you have hard evidence?
Allah never talked to Muhammad at the Hira cave for 23 yrs and who ordained Muhammad as a prophet. Ordination is a one on one basis from God to a prophet..
Who ordained Mohammed, Wagara, a follower of nosticism,
the uncle of Kathija the first wife of Mohammed and who gave Mohammed the revelation.
@@iroc565
Interesting! He took his (Wagara) word for it that he is a prophet and also who told Mo that the angel was Jibril?
Put one and one together and that's how the religion was put together. wow amazing. He fooled over a billion people into believing it.
@@9999rosebud Correct, when he died Mo was very distressed. More information about quran and the fake prophet comes from someone like Christian Prince debate from his CZcams who is an arab and very knowledgeable about Islamic text.
@@iroc565
Thanks.
Every source that doesn't suit the theory should be rejected.😁
Hoyland and almost all historians accept this source.
Again, you show that you didn't watch the video. I also accept the source. I'm just pointing out what it actually says.
@@TAlexander
Hi, he never watches any of the videos. He is an expert in bluffing. On another Christian channel Alonzo fabricated a quote claiming it to be from Samuel Zwemer, a Christian missionary. You can find this quote that he posted on DCCI'S latest video.
I don't believe suppressing speech. I do block people who only post spam (i.e. the "klick here for sexy girls" type of posts), those are blocked without warning. And I block those who copy & paste the same content over and over again, because that's simply not fair to the other commentators who will get drowned out. But there I typically issue a warning first.
And to Alonzo's credit, sometimes he does post content from "Islamic Awareness" which I wasn't familiar with before, which in the end does make my arguments tighter.
@@TAlexander
Hoyland accepts the conquest.
@@alidawahs9yroldwedsa40yrol2
I bring more discussion than you.
You can read my comments and your comments. Your comments have nothing to do with the video.
My comment is video related.
Gosh this shows just how tragically deceived the church was in the 6th century into believing that God almighty came to earth in the person of Yeshua. What a tragedy.
So your theory is that Allah was so dumb he accidentally started the largest false religion in the world? Loool
are you a autonomous non biblical unitarian or a muhammadan?
Let me guess... you're Muslim, right?
The letter was from 634AD, meaning it was from the 7th century. Not the 6th century.
This is something I have noticed about Muslims... a deep lack of knowledge or understanding of history, whether it is Islam or not... which is a big weakness for Muslims.
If you do not understand your past, how can you understand yourself?
@@horseradishpower9947 Hi buddy I can most assuredly inform you that I am not a Muslim. I am a follower of Jesus the Nazarene. And I’ll be very happy to debate or discuss with you my apparent ignorance regarding the misguided doctrine of the trinity.
PS if you’d like to debate the state of Christianity in the six and seventh century, I would also be very happy to do that. It was a sordid mess of Idol worship, false creeds and the traditions of men that nullified the word of YHVH and the testimony of his anointed one, Yeshua. Oh hang on a minute… Isn’t Christianity in exactly the same state today ?
Sophronius was a Ghassanide Arab, a ‚saracen‘ himself! This manuscript is false