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I guess we should have expected it from an episode called "Double Meat Palace." On a scale of 1-10, how gross was this episode for you?
8
Solid 8
0 as a vegetarian. Didn't register as food and penis monster is nothing new.
5-7. I worked in fast food in college. LOL
3. Never did fast food. Did work in the cafeteria dishroom during college
Buffy had decpitation, dismemberment, lesbians, monsters, allegories of grooming, teen suicide, and kids eating a pig alive.
And the one time Joss made advertisers nervous was when he showed life at a fast food restaurant.
The weirdest part is that as disturbing the episode is, i’m usually hungry for burgers afterwards.
@@zemoxianhopefully for a wholesome homemade burger and not a burger from McDonald's because their burgers are not 100% beef. Am I talking about fillers in the patties or something else? Who knowsssss 😂
But ironically, not the first or only time Joss Whedon has had a giant penis monster attack women. Not even the second. Or third. Or fourth…
I love how most of Buffy is like "these supernatural forces are metaphors for the struggles of adolescence" but then once in a while there's an episode that's just like "hey what if we showed you some FUCKED UP NIGHTMARE FUEL just for kicks, lol?"
To be fair, this episode does cover the struggles of working a dead end and minimum wage job.
"Why do they look like they're in prison?" Ahhh, yes. The minimum wage food service employee's experience. That's just what it looks like. Prison.
It sucks seeing Buffy fall into the fast food void of boredom, her skill set should place her in a more fulfilling position. Too relatable.
One must work fast food to fully appreciate this.
Working as a dishwasher in a regular restaurant can be enlightening too, though not to the same extent. And working dining service at the dining hall in the basement of my dorm at MIT was also a fun experience. Fast food is at the bottom of the food service pyramid...
This episode was able to almost capture how horrifying it is to work in fast food.
Captain Capitalist Anya is amazing every time
Relationships are more than just love. It’s about compatibility. Spike may love her (even though it’s really more obsession), but his life isn’t compatible with her. Being with Spike doesn’t actually help Buffy with her own self-loathing and depression. She can’t function in her day to day life and feels like she is living in hell. Spike doubles down on those feelings to bring Buffy down to his level as opposed to uplifting her to make her feel more complete.
This is why it’s a toxic relationship. It’s not built on a healthy foundation, thus nothing solid can ever last. It’s a wild night of passionate lust, but once that’s over nothing is left but shame. You can’t be in love with someone you’re ashamed to be with. That’s not healthy.
Well said. They do get it, though, Marketa and Suraj both acknowledged that very point
@@bernardsoul5186
I think a lot of Spuffy shippers don’t seem to get it. I think they’re under Spike’s thrall.
@@zemoxian The thing about shippers of fictional relationships is that the often willingly ignore a lot of the negatives and amplify the positives instead. In the case of Spuffy, it's just that they like the chemistry/"excitement" or find them more entertaining than the alternatives.
I hope u said all of this because u havent finish the show and comics yet... and at this point of the show u right, thats not healthy. But in a way, they need it, they need both to be were they are together to change after. Actually Spike allows to Buffy to explore her own darksides, and thats is necessary for her to fully reborn and become again well. I dont want to say to much for the one who are still watching (and my english must be bad sorry lol)
You know most Spuffy shippers are fully aware that the relationship is toxic in this season, and they are supporting the relationship after a certain change is made, and they both actually DO start to uplift each other?
Halfrek is just a vengeance demon like anya used to be. She grants wishes.
i get the impressions that DEMONS AREN'T NICE
@@josephirizarry5195 Eh they are just doing their job.
@@josephirizarry5195
Some demons. Others are known to be useful members of society.
@@josephirizarry5195”Demons”are simply organisms that evolved under the laws of magic in addition to the laws of physics from their native realm.
Demons are generally neutral, much like humans are. Some have a greater disposition for evil, some for good, but generally most are neutral. And most have souls. Halfrek and Anyanka for example, have souls, despite being demons.
This episode has aged way better over time. The social commentary is on point.
Halfrek's job is a Vengeance Demon. She has to trick Women into wishing bad on their man. Remember in The Wish where Anya was trying to get Cordy to wish bad things to happen to Xander? Its the same thing
BtVS was on UPN at this point, and the makers of the show said the only time the network gave them any notes or pushback was for this episode because UPN was worried they were gonna be making fun of fast food restaurants, and therefore piss-off the fast food sponsors for the network
Imo, buffy should be paid by the watchers Council from working age. They have the funds.
I been looking forward to this one for a long time. I've never looked forward to this episode before lol. But this couch loved the cheesy season 1 so much that I figured this would be perfect for them.
The weird and not wonderful world of fast food. Also aphantasia is what's it called when you don't have the ability to create mental imagery.
Perhaps the most underrated episode of BTVS there is. The vibes are perfectly off, and I love it every second of it.
suraj's proposed angel spike doublemeat dream does happen in the comics
Double meat dream 😆
The comics made some very interesting decisions, to say the least.
Just a note, whenever you guys credit Joss with making all the creative decisions...by Season 6, he wasn't even the showrunner anymore. It was Marti Noxon for seasons 6 and 7. Buffy was the excellent work of many people. ❤
It definitely was always the work of many people like all television and film, but just to clarify... Joss wasn't the everyday on set showrunner for this season (because of Firefly and the prep for Once More With Feeling), but Marti Noxon has said that he still oversaw everything and all the story arcs came from him as usual. She was implementing his plans, as detailed in the biography by Amy Pascale.
Buffy should order The Council to put her on payroll, generously. She’s the reason for their existence. I was surprised that wasn’t already in place.
Watching this episode as a young teen made me swear off working at a fast-food place…. Didn’t stop me eating at them though 😅
The thing about Amy im thinking is that is that she kinda psychologically still, what 15/16 the age she was when she was turned into a rat. makes sense she wouldn't be as emotionally mature
Yeah, as fucked up as the things she does are, I can't help but sympathize with her a bit. It doesn't excuse her actions but still.
Never thought about that
But the thing is, she was a sweet 16 years old. This new character for her makes no sense
@@pinkylittleme she was already showing signs of misusing magic in S2 and S3... they just fast forwarded in S6 to give WIllow plot beats. She was also trapped as a rat for 3 years, so she essentially would be a much different person.
@@pinkylittleme Of course it makes sense. She spent years trapped as a rat. Frustrated and confused. She feels abandoned by everyone. She's not handling or expressing it well but no one is really trying to reach out to her either because they're all caught up in their own shit. But it makes plenty of sense.
14:18 "meat-grinder" gets a whole new meaning when it grinds a pnis-shaped monster...
The old lady was played by character actress Pat Crawford Brown, who used to brag that she would win "Who was in the movie with the worst title" contests among her friends. Her movie? Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death.
Actually you used to be able to do that easily in fast food. Giving free food to your friends that is.
yeah i miss those days now a friend cant even hook you up with a ketchup packet 😥
"That" episode is getting closer, hell yeah, I can't wait for the reactions
"What about the cherry pie?" lives in my head rent free since 2002 😂😂😂😂
Ah yes. This episode of Buffy....where....stuff happens?
(I don't remember this at all lmao, but the reaction was hilarious)
I have neither an inner monologue nor can I visualize inside my head. I didn’t know this was weird till I was in my 30’s. It’s so peaceful in my brain, that said I talk out loud to myself often enough.
This is one of my favourite Buffy episodes and I can NOT understand how it's rated so low. It's like the second lowest rated episode on IMDB. Baffling.
It’s fashionable (for the masses) to jump on certain episodes and diss them...ppl think it makes them seem smart and discriminating without having to think about it.
Its just one of those episodes that feels out of place even in a show like buffy. I certainly wouldn't rewatch it myself because I am more interested in the story of Buffy and this is minimal that. Its got some but it feels like the burger joint is just you know, its own thing.
@@Merilirem
Why did that make me think of David S. Pumpkins? 😂
what's the lowest one?
@@pinkylittleme - off the top of my head, Beer Bad was always the lowest-rated. But I haven't checked the ratings in a while.
18:57 Pat over here like "I'll risk the cancer".
I think Amy hit Willow with that spell out of spite. She was right by the rat cage with an odd look on her face when they were talking, and she brings up Willow not undoing the rat spell all those years when she’s at the door.
My personal favorite thing about this episode is that Buffy freaking out telling everybody the food is people is a nod to Soylent Green but also telegraphing the twist about the double-meat, which in this case isn't meat at all but plants (contrasting with Soylent Green which was people not plankton).
I don't think I've ever enjoyed a doublemeat palace reaction as much as this one
Having worked in this kind of job whilst at uni, this episode is 100% accurate.
Fantastic reactions . Your enthusiasm and laughter is so infectious . This episode has so much going on and you guys nailed it. Remember that duality has been a theme of the show from the beginning. Buffy is now , due to events beyond her control, assuming the roles that Joyce and Faith occupied. Like Joyce, Buffy is a working single Mother. Joyce did not enjoy her job but had to provide suddenly on her own for her daughter. Joyce was ill equipped , like Buffy is now and we are seeing an emotionally upset teenager, Dawn, like Buffy. Remember we learned that Buffy was shoplifting ( Becoming Part 1) while her parents were fighting leading up to the divorce.
Buffy no longer has her full emotional support group. Giles and Joyce are out of her life. Angel and Cordelia are in LA and Oz is traveling somewhere. Willow is fighting her dark demon and Xander is focused on his life. Like Faith, Buffy is seeking emotional contact and remember Faith used sex for comfort and any connection with someone. Faith had the earmarks of a depressed girl and we did not see much joy from Joyce.( Goodness she was engaged to a homicidal cyborg).
Yes , a depressed Buffy is using Spike but he is using Buffy to satisfy is obsessive desires. Spike mixes lust, violence, obsession, and immature love that only Buffy can handle. It’s easy to see this has only a satire of the service food industry but it is also the place dreams and talent goes to die. A strong, independent, and talented woman ( Buffy) can only wither in a non descript world of conformity that stifles personal growth. Double Meat Palace could easily be a corporate bank, insurance company, or government agency. Success is defined by compliance and longevity. Buffy is at a crossroads in her ultimate journey for the show, becoming a woman on her own terms. She had to sort out the maternal part and her sexual being that she will be as a woman. This choice is what derails so many women. Emotional connection, responsibility, sexual satisfaction, and being an individual free from outside influences of control will be her final steps. Sadly they are the most difficult.
Actually she could give food away but it would come off her paycheque
We're here! We're here!
So! This was my first episode of Buffy I watched on Tuesday night on a fuzzy UPN channel in Fort Wayne, IN, 8pm that was airing live. I was very confused but kept up with it the rest of this season and watched the episodes early in the morning on FX Mon-Friday. This season is just ramping up.
21:55 What Micky was on about is true, visual imagination is a spectrum. On the top end there is hyperphantasia where they see everything in HD, and when one can't "see" even the general shape of the apple (like myself), that's aphantasia. Was kinda mindblowing to find out that people actually *mean* it when they say "picture this". I can't see anything at all 😢
I know this isn’t a popular episode, but I kind of dig it just for the bizarre-ness of it, plus it reminds me of that episode of Teen Titans where Beast Boy works at a fast food place
4:15 Chris, you're not wrong lol
"Why she such a mean girl"
Amy talks about being resentful that it took so long for willow to make her human again... like amy being a ahole bc shes mad she missed out on her life bc of the scoobies
I'm so glad no one was around when Micky said Buffy is going to work with Kenan & Kel.
Damn that is funny
Of course Willow was a fan of the Vulcan woman on Enterprise. We all were at the time.
I like that this seasons "big bad" is just life itself
The most unbelievable part if this episode, is that a restaurant could sell plant burger under the assumption that it was beef and chicken. That shit illegal, even back then. With peoples food allergies and stuff, you have to disclose what is in the food.
AMY TAKE YOUR HOME AND GO!- Spidey
I accidentally ate a couple pot cookies. I used to smoke, but gave it up, cause I didn’t enjoy it. It just made me kinda paranoid & all that. After eating the cookies, I heard the people I was hanging out with talking about them & I (way too late!) realized what they were.
I went home, where I stayed up most of the night, not enjoying myself. It was a little rough. I then had to wait tables for the lunch rush at Olive Garden. Not a great day😞
Solyent Green is plants!! SOYLENT GREEN IS PLANTS!!!!!
Challenge:
1) Describe your perfect burger
2) Describe your perfect bagel
I really believe as a slayer you should have a stipend for life. That is your job because the watchers are getting paid and they don’t even have anything to do unless they have a slayer.
Marketa almost hurled...and I would not have blamed her!
I imagine that seeing that combined with her pregnancy hormones is not a great combination LOL
Hey reaction truly made this video for me. Sorry she felt queasy watching it, but it was hilarious. 😆
Yes, some people apparently don't have an inner voice. And some people apparently cannot imagine images in their mind at all ... which, ironically, I have a hard time imagining 😅 (it's called aphantasia)
This is one of my favorite episodes of season 6.
Kinda glad this video released after I finished lunch
Wow, I work as a grill cook and sometimes the smoke goes in my lungs, I try to avoid though but definitely can’t do this job for too long, health over money, but fire ep n reaction 💯🖤🤞🏾
Manny was "footloose" and fancy free
I'm planning on going on irreversible MAOIs later and if someone were to dose me with say cocaine or MDMA (or a more conventional antidepressant/SSRI) without my knowledge I'd just straight up die lol. And die in a really horrible way because serotonin toxicity is awful and you can't reverse or treat it medically. MAOIs are rarely prescribed for the reasons of possible interactions but yeah just to hammer home the point that this isn't like a fun little gag or whatever lol, as is like the universal constant with undermining peoples agency the problem is you don't really know what they all have going on to be making those decisions.
When this episode came out the network was worried it would upset fast food companies and they would pull ads.
I remembered I didn't like the fast food place Buffy worked at and their stupid uniforms, but I forgot how much I absolutely hated the place.
My least favorite episode 🤢
Shame there's no more BuffyBot to work in the DP to earn money for Buffy.
Bert was dosed with molly, not acid
You're finally back.
Buffy returning every plate reminds me of Xander in 3x18
that must be so fun to act out!
Watchers are paid to oversee the active Slayer. Slayers are “unpaid tools of the council.”
This is moronic. And moreover, _impractical._
The active Slayer should be sponsored by the council. Their accommodation should be arranged by the council, and they should have a salary awarded to them for fighting the war on evil, especially considering the watchers are paid to just sit around and advise when necessary.
If the Slayer had her accommodation provided and salary awarded, that means she can focus exclusively on waging the war on evil. Stressing about money for food, housing, bills and having to work to earn this would leave no time for the Slayer to sleep, her days always working the day and slaying the night.
It also means Slayers from impoverished backgrounds like Faith would likely never have fallen to the dark side, had they actually been supported with the most basic human necessities.
not everyone have a inner voice or a inner picture when they imagen something, some see just black, and some has no inner voice. haveing no inner picture when you imagen something for example is called aphantasia
That old lay got Drizzy D on her head.
I love this episode. So much fun.
Idk if anyone has pointed it out yet, but Helfrek is played by the same lady as Cecily from Spike's flashback, idk if it's ever confirmed but some say she was a vengeance demon even back then
The show almost entirely confirms this to be the case since she amd Spike recognize each other later.
Spoilers for an upcoming episode...
It has been suggested based on the timeline (and I think maybe confirmed) that she was already a vengeance demon at the time, and she rejected William because she was there to exact some vengeance (she must have been working on it for a while) on a whole group of entitled "gentlemen", and she knew William wasn't one of the ones deserving of her wrath.
What is shown in the series only a couple episodes from now is that she recognizes Spike but calls him William, ie his name as a human before he was turned, so it does seem likely that she was indeed the same character, whether or not she was a vengeance demon at the time.
@@ernesthakey3396 interesting points!
@@ernesthakey3396The issue I have with that theory is that when Spike tells his mother he has his eye in someone doesn't she refer to her as that (whatever the family name was ) girl suggesting she has always been around (unless vengeance demons can supplant false memories) or its one heck of a long vengeance gig. Probably thought too much about that lol. I know there is a comic regarding this so not sure how it's addressed
@@Green528 actually that's not a counterargument, at least according to the Buffy wiki, because apparently his mother heard the name Cecily and made an incorrect assumption:
"Cecily Underwood was the eldest daughter of her family circa 1880. Anne Pratt guessed she would be the subject of her son's poems, and described her as "lovely". William denied it, though,[1] as he was enamored instead with Cecily Addams.[2]"
So the Cecily who was the vengeance demon was Miss Addams...probably she had inserted herself into the social scene, and just made up the name. Or did she? The spelling of that name could just be the writers giving a nod to the Addams family, but... 😉
#SUNDAYRUNDOWN Its called aphantasia, I don't have an inner monologue and whenever I picture something I can't see it in my mind I can only like describe it but not actually see it. Oh my god not Spuffy showing up as Buffy's slam piece at her work.
14:20 wasn’t this an Easter egg for the movie Alison starred in as a teen…. I think it was called my stepmother is an alien.
With Seth Green
Loved your reaction as always❤. You should watch society of the snow. It's a great movie and I would love to hear what you have to say about that one.
I really enjoy this episode,the tone of it. It's weird, and I like it 😂
I wonder if this episode inspired Happy Humble Burger Farm
You're going to tell me that the new manager has only been there five years... and knows this huge secret? Given the natural turnover of all fast food jobs... how is this still a secret?
In n Out Burger
Spife and buffy (sbuffy) were doing the drill bit position. Doable
Its Chief Vick from Psych
you know they still had a finger and a foot for no reason, seems like something someone would be looking into it's not exactly OSHA compliant.
I do not have a voice in my head. I have more friends who have it than not, but it's not universal. Exception: too high on pot or mushrooms and then it isnt a voice but a narrator.
I love Halfrek!
yesss another shark lover
Hahaha this was the funniest reaction
Fantastic comment section.
Isn't there an episode of Teen Titans that's similar to this but the monster thing was Tofu or Spoo or something? It was definitely a cartoon even if it wasn't Teen Titans.
One of the best filler episodes in the Buffy series. Showing how depressing he minimum wage prospects are, drives her to an even lower moment ; having sex with Spike while in her uniform out the back (the alley ?). Great misdirection and comedy dialogue ! "grease plug" lol
Should have asked for a raise, Buffy.
Yeah, anytime I see the title for this episode, I'm like, oh, this is that super gross one. Creepy lady with the gross head. (Lol)
I enjoyed this one also the snake lady totally a penis metaphor (double meat palace lol) Willow was awesome!!!!
Whats a community burger😅😅😅
for the first time ever i agree with chris. those ergonomics don't work.
In the comics that take place after the show ended it was dubbed season 8
She.... did she daydream about threescore with her angel an spike it's canon😂
Buffy does more than that in the comics.
Typos
Gotta disagree with Suraj on Halfrek being a pot-stirrer. In Once, Anya and Xander's little duet reveals a lot of their fears and insecurities. The pot was already stirred. Halfrek was just pointing out what she could clearly see after just a few minutes of interaction and conversation with Anya.
On another note, the Scoobies bug me in this episode with their yet again, dismissive attitude toward Buffy's concerns about something go on at Doublemeat. You would think that after years of fighting evil together, the gang would learn to trust her instincts but they fail again at this. Yes, Willow comes to help at the end, but one could argue she did that to avoid the issue she was having with magic or seeking out comfort from the gang for herself as she struggled. Buffy has her flaws yes, but this is yet another common theme with the Scoobies, along with their inability to actually have adult conversations, that really irritates me the more times I watch this amazing show.
Yeah, "Let's all doubt Buffy" is super annoying every time it happens.
To be fair, the only thing truly wrong with the workers, was that they had spent far too long working in fast food. Those types of jobs can destroy you as a person. But yes, when Buffy feels that the vibes are off, its almost always for a very good reason.
Tasha!
Even the worst Buffy episodes are entertaining
I love u all, but Marketta has slowly become one of my favorite reactors for the after show discussions! I still disagree with her regarding the Riley relationship and departure 😅 but love her discussion regarding Spike and Buffy. Beyond excited for the last few episodes this season!
I forgot how disgusting some scenes of this episode were. xD
Where’s this week’s Harley Quinn reaction?
They are trying out alternating Monday shows week to week, but doing double drops for the shows.
Spikes feelings are not real because he doesn’t have a soul.
He has a intimate PASSIONATE obsession that’s being validated by Buffy.
Spike cannot and has not ever experienced true love with either Druscilla or Buffy because he’s not capable of it without a soul.
He can exhibit strong passionate outwardly displays of twisted infatuations and relationships but not “real love”.
Spike and Drusilla were madly in love for a long time --they proved Vampires -without souls could love.
@@pauldourletspike is snake to be obsessed with her after ge knew how angel felt about her .
Heh, "real love" is a topic that folks can never truly agree on, I think.
Possible spoiler, I forget what episode it's from. But...
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Spike : You can't tell me that there isn't anything there between you and me. I *know* you feel something.
Buffy Summers : It's called revulsion. And whatever you think you're feeling, it's not love. You can't love without a soul.
Drusilla : Oh, we can, you know. We can love quite well... if not wisely.
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Your minds are in the gutter.
Big headcanon. The actress that plays Halfrek also played the lady Spike was in love with back when he was still human. You can see her in that episode rejecting Spike. It's been widely speculated that they're in fact the same person and Halfrek drove Spike away that night because she was actually about to grant a wish which was to kill everyone in that party.
ickiest episode of the show in my opinion!