British Army swapping shouting for empathy when training recruits
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- čas přidán 14. 05. 2024
- The sound of a military instructor barking at troops is perhaps a familiar sound to personnel past and present.
But now, the British Army is changing the way it treats recruits.
Brigadier Andrew Garner, Commandant of the Soldier Academy, told Forces News recruits might have historically feared their instructor but that is not what the Army is now trying to achieve.
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Rejecting the ways that have won your country battles and wars over the centuries ........is one Hell of a gamble with safety of your country.
They know exactly what they are doing , destroying our military just as they are destroying our Country...
yes, we have rejected the sword and bow, which have won our country battles and wars over the century, i wouldnt say it was a gamble at all, just something that logically made sense such that our armies would perform better in the future. You're a m*ron lmao
The recruitment pool comes from a different world, and the teaching methods need to change accordingly
The end result is what matters, not the way you get them there. The goal is to reduce how many drop out before you can get them into the correct mindset and ability for war.
@@AllThingsCubey the people might be different but the quality of soldiers we need is not.
The "recruit pool" always comes from a different generation/mind-set. The "sorting" must happen early or time and money is wasted on "prospecting". Preparatory courses can reduce the number of prospects that probably won't successful complete training.
Reacting instantly to danger, that saves lives.
Shouting serves a purpose, to be conditioned to pressure.
imagine when one of them falls into enemy hands and they don't get an ounce of empathy, they'll rat everyone else out in a heartbeat.
Indeed
Exactly. This’s very worrying.
You lots know nothing 😂😂😂 shouting is stupid maybe learn from the sas
@@akhilShah-wu7pp you wouldn’t last a day in SAS training.
The whole point of them shouting is a display of authority and to give instructions. They should not be soft and they should not change the way they have always been.
The whole point of an instructor is to be hard and tough, but fair
Not to mention that them shouting is for you to remain calm and focused.
Next thing will be taking a group vote when being given orders...
I’m sure you know better than the British army on how to train troops when we have a recruitment crisis 😂😂
@@Nathann99 We have an employment crisis fullstop, not just in the armed forces, it's been going on in business for over a decade now. Dropping standards, and ego stroking isn't the way to go, my industry is a pale shadow of what it once was.
@LoremIpsum1970 automation has made its mark without the introduction of large language models. Think how bad its gunna get in the near future.
@@Nathann99
Does the Army even know anymore though thats the question.
You want soldiers capable of doing the job not dragging through those who can’t hack it.
Fatties and empathy. Way to go Army.
if you think in this way then let me ask you, would you really say the us infantry are better than the British? of course not, they get yelled at 24/7 and still... i mean look at them, we will do what we must to unsure the rate of personnel coming in whilst simultaneously keeping high standards
Pish@@mannitov2644
@mannitov2644
You say that, but the standards in the British Army are consistently being lowered. From the PFA to the much easier SCR, low standards of the RFT and now this
Theres no fatties in the british army mate they won't take you if have a cold 5 years ago
@@mannitov2644 You'll find out when they're deployed to actual combat.
WTF just WTF is wrong with people today. These are not the recruits you want.
Well you don’t want uk sas Sbs then because they don’t shout 😂😂😂 not shouting is a better way of training and if you don’t believe me then tough 🤣😂 I wonder how sas could be wrong ah I tell you what you email them and say shout let’s see how far you get 😂😂
@@akhilShah-wu7pp how do you think they got to that standard in the first place? They all went through training before they can join? Your point is invalid. The SF isn’t initial training is it?
@@Redchairbluedoor clearly you don’t understand anything about the army so sit down kid 🗣️
But clearly you think you’re an expert and watch too many movies and CZcams 😂😂😂😂😂
@@akhilShah-wu7pp i can guarantee you that is the other way around, if you think purely because the SF don’t shout at recruits then the rest of the army should, then clearly you have never served, every soldier past or present knows exactly what purpose it gives.
Shouting isn't constructive for teaching. Obviously basic will include a lot of shouting as it's need like combat and drill but I think the point is they shouldn't be making people fear instructors but respect them as the brigadier said. I think the guys point about the SAS is that people are there to learn to do a job. Being shouted at for a minor mistake might be making good recruits leave. A better approach may be, you messed up you can do x to fix it. Obviously shouting will never go away
Nonsense is the only word to describe this
Absolutely agree.
A progressive and inclusive Army, which treats its subordinates with empathy and compassion.. this is a top-down mandate from the leaders. Attributes that may be better suited to peacekeeping than fighting. Soldiers should be conditioned mentally and physically for the reality of war.
Yup, although everybody needs a drone these days as a personal weapon. Everything changes.
They first time the enemy shouts at them they burst into tears. I always thought basic was too knock the civilian out of you and toughen you up.
With an army that's well below 70k troops we won't be engaging any enemies anytime soon
@@garagenigel Hopefully 🤞
Training in the army should be enjoyable…. Perfect preparation for combat which surely will be stress free and enjoyable…. Brilliant.
Love Sarcasm!
And all Pink and Fluffy
Went through Guards Depot Pirbright during the 1960s. It never done us any harm !!! Shouted at morning noon and night, riffted to within an inch of your life ! Cuts the Corn from the chaff,What are you doing ? Producing fighting soldiers, or mummy's boys and girls. For god's sake, get a grip.
Remember the sandhill and heartbreak? They have actually banned them both now.
Remember the sandhill and heartbreak? Both have been banned now.
@@Mitsu8998Happy days,modern recruits would expect tea and biscuits halfway up !!!
@@Mitsu8998Really? Ive got my ATC at pirbright this weekend for reserves and will likely do my phase 1 there, heartbreak is infamous
Went through it at the end of the 70’s at the guards depot never did me any harm,, taking an order shouting in a tank, well their wasn’t any discussion then we did what we were told, it saves lives
God help us. If war breaks out, they'll be begging for us old guys to rejoin.
Usually I hate when current or former military post for the sake of stroking their own ego. But what you have said is 100% true.
Yes we will be begging for the oldies that spent 4 years being an alcoholic in the transport corps in Germany
@@cammysmith7562 Actually that would be 11 years in the Welsh Guards. HAve a nice day. Wokey!
@@iaingreig9685 Trust me mate, this is not an ego trip. I love our armed forces with a passion and I'm gutted seeing the woke agenda appear for the lads and lasses serving. I feel so sorry for them. It isn't their fault.
@@cammysmith7562 Are you currently serving?
My old Flt Sgt will be rolling in his grave
Did the old ways of doing things not work? Did shouting by instructors produce bad soldiers?
If it hurts their fweeling they shouldn't be in the job in the first place...
Look if you raise your voice to me in that tone again I will be forced to report you to my mum.
We used to have one of the best military's in the world , but alas we are getting far away from that now...
@@greyvoice7949 no army remains on top forever.
@@Zver21324ef We are 2x world title champions mate
Aaahhh, bless them. If they get upset give them a cuddle and the afternoon off.
I joined the Army as a 16 year old and our Company Sgt Major was a Grenadier Guardsman. Ever since then all through my working life I've never been upset by a bollocking...I've been bollocked by experts!
Cool story!
Is war going to be quieter as well? Since when are we bothered about feeling?
Hopefully, the Russians will be nice too and stop launching artillery at 3:30, as the soldier's mums will need to pick them up from the trenches.
Yes. The eco-zealots have outlawed loud noises, especially after ten at night. No more explosions that might upset their emotional support poodle.
Sas Sbs don’t shout you guys are all stupid if you think shouting is making the army softer not I’ll tell you what does USA they all soft babies
Are they nuts? If you can't take someone shouting at you, how will you handle someone shooting at you? There was a reason basic training was as it was. And a certain amount of weeding out was required.
"Firm but fair" yet you're not allowed to shout at someone throwing the whole parade off in case you hurt their feelings
I often found the fearful NCO on the parade ground to be patient and informative in the classroom, both parties need to know who's in charge when the time comes.
THIS IS INSANE!!! Russian Alqaeda etc, they arent going to be worried about soldiers feelings... Our army has to ready to face forces that treat the geneva convention as loo paper.
Yet the russian forces suck and need help from mercenary groups who eventually turn on them.
Yeah, how is that going for Russia? Far from victory against a much smaller country after over two years. An absolute catalogue of errors when they invaded. An incompetent ill disciplined rabble.
Very well said!! Don´t expect empathy and fair play on a battlefield................
Standards are seriously deteriorating these days. They'll be having spa days next.
At least they can watch their IPads in comfort
Part of the screaming at you is to put you under pressure and stress, the reason is simple, if you can perform under the pressure and stress of your sgt's then you are more likely to perform in the chaos of battle. its a well tried and tested system over hundreds of years.
Aye mate 100%
Guess the Army never heard the saying “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”
Or they misread it for, “if it ain’t woke, fix it”
How utterly depressing to see how much the Army is going down the drain.
Bunch of soft lads. Just what we need on the front line.
What a disgrace
If they weren't already cannon fodder before they definitely are now!
I feel safer by the minute
And there it is... The final nail in the coffin of an effective fighting force. This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Get ready for backchat and endless refusals to follow instruction.
If the army is so weak then who will hold the nation together? Nature doesn't like power vacuums.
Did you even watch the video?
@@aestheticallyirrelevant3081yep and he’s correct
who's going to be nice to them when they are in combat?
Discipline turns a boy into a humble Man... Empathy turns a boy into a self-important man-child.
I am so glad that I am now a civilian.
can not go back to a civilian your a ex service personal and should be proud of that
@59patrickw you mean "extra meatshield" if ww3 breaks out ex military will be second to be forced to up
If you can't handle shouting then how the hell will you handle an RPG whizzing past.
They won't have to because they will be asked if they would like to take part in the next war... The answer will be NO!
No longer allowed. Greenpeace said so.
There needs to be a healthy balance between discipline and humane treatment. I was above average when it came to motivation, but when sadistic instructors hand out beastings and hurl out insults left and right, even I lose my will to soldier. Senseless cruelty creates a toxic environment and the actual content of training gets lost. However when it’s done too lax, soldiers get underprepared and easily overwhelmed when pressure increases. I saw both extremes in practice within a six month timeframe
Now I am not in the military, but from my understanding, the shouting plays 2 purposes.
Sets clear authority & structure, something which you need when bullets are flying inches from your head.
And to get civilians used to this confrontational, aggressive environment which, unsurprisingly, war is both confrontational & aggressive. If us, as civilians, are not used to getting yelled at, that's 1 more issue we'd have in combat.
Yep the Russian way of war is to treat there enemies with empathy
Hopefully the Russians will give us hugs and kisses so our 'warriors' don't have their feelings hurt.
Russian paper army.
@@princegrooveNo the Russian Army is real and home from 800,000 to over 1.2 million regular troops who are required today train hard and have high levels of fitness
@@gilbert7794 but they also suck so i dont think anyone is afraid.
@@cloaker1619
They laying ruins to Ukraine as we speak . We don’t have to like the Russians but let’s at least live in reality , they probably as of today have the most powerful and experienced army in the world
it's not empathic to lessen effectiveness, discipline which ends up getting you killed , if recruits can't take it, then they have no place in the Army as being shouted at is the least of their concern if a conflict happens
I never passed basic training in ‘93 and for good reason, I was too soft for a life in the Army. Some people are not meant for it, so weed them out. Jesus Christ the UK has lost the plot!
I joined in 1981, lots of shouting, beastimgs, punnishments They broke you down then built you back up even better. I would still go back and do it all over again
The army’s become a joke how can they expect us to be an effective fighting force when they are implementing things like this.
The reason I wanted to join the army was to get away from this sort of softness. I may as well work in a spa now. Someone needs to do something and quickly.
That Sergeant Major needs to enlist on a gym membership 😂
Honestly, it's pathetic.
You can shut up as far as I am concerned the soldiers need to be welcomed before they get a telling off and that’s the more respectful way 😊😊😊
Ok men , ladies, them , they, we will advance in a line and retake the trenches.
Excuse me sgt but with that tone we're not going anywhere.
Now say it more respectfully if you don't mind.
@@lewisdean22 My Grandfather served in The Irish Guards during WW1. He would turn in his Grave if he saw the likes of this.
@@stephensmith4480 I served from 1980-89 and it never done me any harm.
@@rossnolan2883 Sure they need to feel welcomed but i'd rather be yelled at in training and get used to high pressure situations there rather than having to get used to it on the battlefield where you more likely to end up dead
Yes, because soldiers don't need to be tough...... war is easy right?
Yeah, because the enemy will treat you with empathy!!!
What a joke 😂
Ah yes because we should treat each other the same way the enemy treats us, that would make for a well working organisation
@@ahsjdhdjshdg2032
Yeah, maybe we should just stand there and let the enemy just shoot us.
Clearly you have no understanding of the military and the psychology of war.
It's not glorious and it takes a certain mindset, created in part through training.
@@ahsjdhdjshdg2032 That's not the point. The point is the enemy will do it to you so lets prepare you for it so when it happens you don't fold.
@@YeetyDelety and they do, that does not equate to screaming and shouting 24/7, unless you want half the army to commit suicide due to bad mental health
@@YeetyDelety you yelling at them wont make a difference they haven't been conscribed. They want to be there and if they training hasn't been softened they'll do fine. im sure you corporal yelling at you wont make a difference Infront of the enemy
I have never been so embarrassed before this can’t believe it
My fanny hurts just watching this. I need a time out
That scouser looked like he was about to roundhouse that reporter if he got asked another question.
1:17 look at the big fat muffin on parade. Warrant Officer Salad Dodger 😂
😂😂😂
There probally at the end of there service, he isnt fighting anymore, just training or doing office work.
Some soldiers after 22 years of service get two choices which are discharge or do another 3 more years but you wont be in a combat role anymore, its very common for people taking on those extra 3 years to get fat.
Can 100% guarantee he could outrun you
@@cloaker1619 Regardless of that fact, it is not a good look for the young soldiers. (33 years The Parachute Regiment)
@@cloaker1619ex infantry I’m being genuine I never saw a WO2 or WO1 ever out of shape and could hold their own until retirement… sorry but that’s a fact
Good Grief! God help us to ensure that we meet our DEI quota with empathy and no hurty feelings
There is a time for empathy but you also need to be tough and aggressive and not get upset because you are shouted at.
No shouting for a crystal generation.
Monty Python "marching up and down the square " has come true!
unless you have something better to do
@@stealth1803 got a book I want to finish ?
I keep hearing from British Army vets that it's "all changing for the worse" now. Now I understand what they're getting at.
I joined the household division in 1981. We were physically and mentally broken. We were then built back to the best soldiers in the world. That mamby pamby, let's hold your hand, will destroy morale within the service. Whoever signed this mummery off needs their head checking...
I did 13 years in the Army I hang my head in shame at the woke Army
"if they are here, the army has deemed them suitable, it's our job to get them over the line" yup, that's the problem right there. Some office staff somewhere has deemed them suitable because they have targets to reach and the medical/ fitness standards have been lowered to help them meet those targets. It's now left to the trainers, who disagree with the nonsense, to cajole them up to passimg out parade by being nice, friendly and supportive. Then they go to their respective regiment and learn what the real job looks like.
I was shocked by the culture. As expected from the British Army.👍
For their next update, rifles will be replaced with feather dusters.
Pathetic really. Turning soft.
An instructor explained to us during basic training that shouting instructions and orders were intended to get us into the habit of obeying orders instinctively, something that in the heat of combat could help keep you alive.
Shouting is what saves your life ,You react immediately,
Shouting and screaming replicates the chaos the soldiers will encounter during war environment. It trains the soldiers focus on orders and instructions and follow them instinctively while hell is breaking loose all around them. Mind stress training like these will mean life or death in real war environment.
Jesus h christ were doomed , empathy in my day was a rare beast , shouting swearing etc is all part of army life
I went through military training in the late 80's and the bullying was on another level I'm talking actual physical assaults as well as verbal degrading. We all made it though and it made me who I am today.
Exactly!
Same when I joined.
@kevlacy5306 what reg?
yeah thats not a good thing. you can train without breaking the law attacking the 16 year old trainie
@@danieljeray8735
Paras mate
Brother's a case study in generational abuse 💀
Everyone slating this is just arrogant, this is revolutionary and visionary. Leaked documents have shown the Chinese and Russians have developed new super weapons known as “Care Bears” wild bears trained to hug and console the enemy to death. Conditioning recruits to tolerate inconceivable amounts of empathy is definitely the way to combat this new threat.
I think there’s a fundamental loss of understanding here, for and against, within and without. The reason militaries throughout the ages presented a harsh and austere life was not simple communication but it was to encourage a particular mentality and worldview, one that is particularly out of fashion today, stoicism. If you’re shouting without knowing that or you refuse to shout without knowing that then you’re equally wrong, the intent is to apply discomfort as a means of encouraging a mental fortitude that could exist in a vacuum (heresy today of course).
Saw the title and just knew what and who to expect in the comments. Not disappointed!
If only the video was just about trolling. Sadly it's true and deserves all the criticism it gets.
What are they Training Wimps
You aren’t making soldiers, you’re making fairies
Sergeant - first squad, standby to assault that enemy bunker! First squad private, sorry sarge, I'm a bit tired and I promised to phone my grandmother, she's not well you know. Another squad member - please could you stop shouting I've got a slight headache, also I left my ammo back at base because it's much too heavy, I feel for you sarge and I realised that if we don't take the bunker this whole attack will grind to a halt, but thats your problem not ours, perhaps you could ask the guys in the bunker to stop firing because they are being much too noisy, cheers sarge.
Ghey.
Our armed forces have become a joke...a bad one.
They didn’t sign up for you do whisper sweet nothings in their ears and caress their cheeks
Well those that signed up for the Navy did.
@@SenorTucano Different cheeks though
They didn't sign up for another person to spit in there face while shouting insults either.
@@eternalsleepinggo back to eternal sleeping and stay in your dream world
I hope they get tucked up in bed and read a bedtime story
Weak.
Spineless
"Ouch Charlie that hwuuuurts"
There’s nothing wrong with not shouting the SAS do their selection that way. The DS just tells you what to do once and if you don’t do it you’re gone. The problem with it in the rest of the armed forces is that they still need to be strict about it.
i cant wait to read the comments for this one
What an absolute disgrace. Has to be a joke 😂.
Putin is terrified 🤦🏻
that moment when the enamy is so pathetic you have to make it a fair fight
Putin cant muster up an effective army since all of his generals are dead or are scared of him.
Yeah, because the enemy is going to show you all kinds of empathy on the battlefield.
The people making these decisions clearly don't understand what the point of all that yelling and hostility was. It's to inoculate recruits to having to live in fear 24/7, and to weed out the ones who can't adapt to it.
Shouting isn't to berate. It's one of many tools used to instill the level of discipline necessary to mold a civilian into an order taking war fighter. Combat will hurt your feelings, among parts of the mind and body. A front line unit can't afford to have people who are concerned about getting their feelings hurt. There are just somethings the protected will never understand.
at no point we are changing the standard - proceed to show women marching in formation
Good old politicians and Civil Service ,what a true SHOWER THEY REALLY ARE 🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵HOW MANY HAVE DONE MILITARY TRAINING 1% DISGRACEFUL 🥵
Many Politicians/Civil Service that have are utterly useless people too... Yet they wave their 'service' in peoples faces and feel like they have to mention it often...
Isnt shouting and disicpline a test of mental fortitude? How are you going to cope in battle under fire if you havent been tested for such basic things prior?
The purpose of harsh treatment in drilling is to break through resistance to discipline that saves lives. This will get soldiers killed and make them less effective at winning battles.
If I mind right, getting shouted at all the time helped soldiers get use to 1 aspect of a chaotic environments (war and conflict). When they go to those environments, they are going to freeze up more and become more of a hazard now 😔😔
Embarrassing.
Excuse me chaps would you awfully mind going to war
Don't forget chapesses, non-binary and those who identify as penguins.
@@EvoraGT430 but what if you are not feeling it
@@stealth1803In that case stand down and attend a flag waving March somewhere
Words fail me, how pathetic, i guess the famous Monty Python sketch comes to mind, with the drill instruction on the square and he lets everyone go because they would rather be doing something else, so he is left alone to march himself up and down the square. Oh, dear my words didn't fail me. How pathetic, how criminal is this, it's part of the process, to build people up into a team and work together, it hardens you. I would how they will teach bayonet practice then, as thats is an evil one to teach if you cannot be angry with anyone. The laughing stock of the world, and that goes with the stupid beards they have today as well.
What are they going to be like in war, tell the enemy please don't shoot at me it will offend me
what if the enemy uses CAPS LOCK on us. Will our special forces be trained to handle CLAPPING and SWEAR WORDS and skilled in the arts of listening to Offensive Comedy etc. And do they need parent's permission to enroll. Can we change the Poppy to Pansies too ; )
Joining the army in a few months, and im very displeased to learn this. Are people so sensitive now that they cant survive a good old shouting. Such a sad world
Oh dear.
Make sure the NCO’s read them a bedtime story and tuck them in on a night with their Cocoa
Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times
Weak army creates weak men
Because all the enemy will just need is a stern talking to rather than a fight.
If you don't put recruits under pressure during training then what's the point?
Train hard fight easy, or train with cuddles and lose wars?
Please ask any potential enemy not to shout at them as well or there'll be a lot of sad faces on the battlefield!
😢
Gonna work great on a battlefield that innit... "you there, get over there and take out that bunker"... "nah, sorry sarge, I don't feel like it, my legs are aching...", "oh alright, pettle, you just lie there and have a rest, I'll do it this time for you, my lovely..."
Think I’ll just say to people I’m an engineer now when they ask what I do, embarrassing to even say I’m in the army.
wtf? I was going to post “WTF!” but I desired to be empathetic to anyone who chanced across it. WTF!
This is absolutely ridiculous
Why change something if it's not broken it builds character this is not a good idea
I went in close to 2 decades ago and I don't remember ours yelling much... they made our life a living hell with a low town