THE EVAP MOTOR IS MAKING A WIERD SOUND
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- čas přidán 11. 05. 2023
- This was a great example of single phasing
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The Mixer audio blooper was awesome! Thanks for leaving it in! I've always appreciated the fact that you don't take yourself so seriously that you can't have a good laugh. Keep it real!
I'm not sure what I'm missing. At what time stamp should I be listening for the blooper?
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He is probably scamming the scammers with mixer in free time like Kitboga or Scammers Payback hah
You just made my day with that mixer blooper XD
Hilarious @HVACR Videos
@@deanipops Thx. That is really funny. I had skipped through part. Thank you very much.
Cutting 2 phases is enough for 3 phase equipment
Every electrician from the EU (including myself): wtf?!
Yeah, that's like "breaking the neutral is enough to switch off a light, we can leave the phase connected". Yikes. Power where it should not be.....
And no motor protection device?
and Australia, what the hell lol
It's just something that carrier does in their 3 phase units. I dont think any other manufacturer does it.
@@teravolt1195 It's got to be wired for Delta as Star normally would have the center point connected to Neutral. Any other way and that motor would be trying to turn. Oh and yes we break the third connection as it's an active.
A while back, the fan motor bearing in my condensing unit was going out. A Hvac guy came by and swapped the fan motor out, it was in the fall so it was already 50 60 outside so we didn't use the ac much.
Now it being summer, i noticed the ac was not blowing as cool as it should have been. Went outside to take a look and the fan was spinning the wrong way! Im used to feeling hot air blow up, but it was blowing out of the condenser coils and against my legs. Two wires in my case made the rotation turn the way its supposed to, now it's cold ac!
hell yeah brother
what kind of boob doesn't check the fan rotation after changing parts, regardless of the temperature. call the company and raise absolute hell...
What always surpriss me in these rubbed-out wires is that i never see a cable used for motors/compressors ets, like 3 or 5 wires insid a sturdy cable, thus double-insolated. (here we use YMvK cables)
As a life-long member of the Big Head Club, I appreciate the spacious hats! 😃
A momentary excursion into the helium chamber! Love it!! LOL
Michael Jackson moment? 🤣
I like your videos very much as im a electrician and a hvac guy. My advise is to buy a "Fluke 2432932 Voltage indication: LED, Single-pole phase indication, Non-contact voltage detection, Measuring circuit" so you can easly pin point the broken wire.
A matte screen protector would help cut down on the glare, and also it is a smoother surface to glide finger on too.
Always enjoy these troubleshoots, even though I don't work in HVACR.
is it the motor making noise or your mixer doing things with your voice😂😂😂That was awesome Criss!love it!
Something I noticed, and it normally wouldn't be a problem, but when you checked the yellow wire, you touched to ground at the screw below your elbow. When you checked the other two, you checked to ground at the screw at your shoulder. Then you went back to check yellow - and went back to the one at your elbow. You _could_ have been using a good ground for the brown/black, but bad ground for the yellow.
once had a customer says " its making a strange sound " i asked him to sing a few bars, he sung opera , we had a great laugh
I find it weird that in the USA they will run cable in steel conduit. But then in some case they run single insulated cable instead of double insulated cable🥴
much of that exposed single conductor "single insulated cabling" is actually double or triple composition insulated. vibration and chaffing wear will eat through it all, regardless of being in any type of conduit or sleeve. proper routing and protection is number is the only solution.
Recently had one of the retrofit kits fail. It had stress fractures on all corners of the motor bracket as well as the sheet metal base that everything attaches too. The call was for “a load noise/banging sound coming from the AC”
What I love about your videos, Chris is that you show us the how and the why! That is GOLDEN information. I can only hope you will continue imparting your knowledge to us. I'd love to work with you and gain just a tenth of the knowledge you have! You're a true professional HVACR technician/contractor! Thanks for sharing!
remember the technician with the hammer story? It's not what he did, but where precisely knew to hammer the piston that got the ship moving again"!... That's you, my man! Knowledge is power!
thank you for all info i am new to the trade i have learned so much watching the way you diagnose the equiptment you are very thorough and explain everything you do pretty well just wanted to say thank you
Those motor bracket have small slots to stick a flat head screwdriver after installing new belt to give more tension. That way you do not have to push down the motor for tension.
I like the idler belt tensioner set up and the maintenance and helpers that are sent to change filters and belts have a better and less chances of creating unnecessary problems with over tightened belts and alignment
I'm a old man and I got into the trade late. Anyone that reads this I'm wondering how long did you work in this trade before you felt comfortable enough to do troubleshooting on your own and really know your stuff.
Hi, great video, I used to do a lot with four belt pullies with taper locks, I found it invaluable to take a steel rule with me, put the rule across the face of the pulley and you can get great alignment down the belt.
It amazes me that rubber V belts manage to wear away steel pulleys like that. I imagine what's actually causing the wear is dust and particulate that gets trapped between the belt and pulley but still.
That is correct. Industrially, when grinding really hard materials, it is common to use a copper or iron wheel, with diamond embedded in it. The hard material grinds away because the softer material holds the abrasive.
The ancient Egyptians cut stone with copper or bronze saws by using the saw to push sand that would do the actual cutting.
friction is friction, everything eats everything. but you also have to take into account the total contact area(surfaces). a belt clearly has more total contact surface to even the wear, whereas the sheaves have far less and only a small portion is always used. the belts still wear out faster than the sheaves due to material composition, but everything wears!
Chris, I know you don't always show everything, but on set screws, I always set them 3 times by tightening them down and losing them up and going a bit tighter each time, so they make a divet in the flats on the shaft or keyway, this was an oldtimer thing that was taught to me back in the 80s, it has saved my ass more than a few times. lol PS you do a good job and your customers not only reflect that but appreciate that. :)
I do the same I mention it occasionally and I call it running the screw... I do the same for lugs on wire too... tighten loosen, tighten loosen ect
Thanks for replying, I know you are busy as all get out, bother this summer has been a B*tch . lol@@HVACRVIDEOS
you always deliver Chris , there is so much solid information shown in these videos #respect and cheers from Az. lake havasu city
William did I used to work with you here in So cal at a hospital? If not I used to know someone with your same name...
@@HVACRVIDEOS no Sir , worked and retired from a local HVAC commercial company in Lake Havasu City
I would have run three new wires as well. Probably eliminated a future failure with a small amount of additional work.
Your lucky that motor did not start when you had it in the position as you tested it👍
how would it have started? the power was disconnected from the windings when he was checking it using the wagos, he just didnt pull it out of the motor housing while checking phase and ground
@Nope No at 11:33 he doesn't. He even mentioned that it was trying to start and that the motor was buzzing.
@@BamaRailfan oh my bad, i musta missed that little bit when i was throwing something in the microwave
Love your videos man!! Awesome keep up the Great work bro! 👍🏽🇬🇺🤙🏽
Great troubleshooting and repair well done thanks for sharing
Audio goof made me chuckle 😂 put you some rubber bands on your puller makes it a lot easier to keep the legs on the pully.
Great Video. Thank you for sharing
Great job Chris. Thank you.
27:20 - This is where an old carpenter’s square would come in handy!
I love your double zip tie method, nice, never crossed my mind, I started doing it too, I would have measure isolation on the motor because if it was single phased too long maybe the isolation is junk, I always measure isolation to ground in every leg just in case, I love your videos man
If you check outgoing power first, most times you won't have to also check incoming, because there won't be a problem. Saves a step.
one way to trace if you have a bad wire... they might be close enough to test for resistance along the wire... I would have done that as soon as the motor started sounding off and had access to the back. high resistance (especially if 1 in 3) but still a connection would be where the wire is partly broken
If too far... while knowing they are dead, wire 2 wires together and test at the other end... typically wires don't have much of a resistance, unless a very long run...
Nicely done, Chris!
Love your work help me alot
Another great video, Chris, though this time I think you've excelled yourself! I thought the extra details on reading the schematic and explaining how the 3-phase was implemented were really good. The only thing I can think of would be more information about the model you're working on so that I can dig around online after watching one of your videos with a view to downloading information and learning more. I find genuinely find your videos inspiring.
Regarding pulley alignment, a straight-edge such as an engineering steel rule and a flashlight to check for gaps will enable you to do so precisely without the expense of laser alignment equipment.
Also, have you considered using a laser pointer to pinpoint or highlight specific things in your video. If you are also using these videos as work records this may be beneficial in terms of accuracy and time saving. It would also have the advantage of being able to show or send a frame of the video to someone and they would see instantly what or where you were referring to.
I really liked this video the step by step was awesome.
That was fun trying to find that broken wire awesome video
I think that you should have continued the entire hat shill/sales pitch in the high pitched voice.
I used to augment the motor plate with angle iron at each end. It worked pretty good, but I'd prefer the upgrade. Really enjoyed watching you work man and I miss the Inland Empire.
Big rubber band over the prongs of puller should help....
I see why you were asking about the laser alignment tool in the live. BTW chasing shorts are the bane of my existence some days.
Good job Chris.
20:04 i jam a block of plastic underneath the motor, i have a ton of scrap from this plastic deck I helped build, super useful for vibrations
👍👍 greetings from houston texas beautiful video
Did you ever finish your house A/C? I was looking forward to seeing the outcome.
Still working on it, new footage coming soon
Carri😢 used two pole contactors on the units and we're bad about burning wires and contacts and bower motor bracket and the composite blower wheel pulley and the set screws and bearings going bad from that motor bracket and the vibration it caused I started keeping 1 inch aluminum angle and repairing the brackets and have used to put pillow block bearings on the blower when the unit had to be repaired and running ASAP whenparts wasn't available for immediate repairs in some certain critical circumstances and why not just put the blower motor bracket .flat on same surface as blower wheel housing
You can use a flat head screw driver in the slots shown at 31:30 to put tension on the motor to tighten belt. Just put your flat head in the slot and Swiss your wrist with the screwdriver
Looks like job well done. I don’t think I don’t like seeing it was all all mess on the lines might count more like motor fan having line’s problems. Mable new line and cleaned it up 😊
Those Energel pens you use are amazing.
having learned to build electrical cabinets for industrial applications for a short time in a past that doesn´t seem to have existed any more, I seriously cringe seeing that wiring and seeing a two pole contactor beeing used for three phase. there are things you simply should not skimp on. taking five minutes to route cables properly is one of them.
ok, the cabinets I worked with had not been so cramped and making whatever was needed in some space available, but I am a huge fan of using those wire guides we had ever since and ad least making an effort to not just bunch up spare cables somewhere in the middle with a zip tie.
I will discuss this on my livestream this evening 5/15/23 @ 5:PM (pacific) come on over and check it out czcams.com/users/lived1mbaSKbOQ0
nice find!!!
Hey Chris, your video are really awesome, I'm not AC technician , for some reason like to watch your videos, I learned my things here, thanks for share yours calls. I you can tell me? what tablet you're using I love that huge screen . Thanks
At 12:00 I was guessing 3 leg an that is exactly why I hate 2 pole an not 3 pole contractors
I remember when those two red wires going to the thermal overload tripped me up the first time.
I can't believe they cheap on the three phase contactors c'mon!! I wouldn't do that, like....ever!😂
Do you have a video on how to measure the pulleys ? In case there is no numbers on the pulleys ? Great video 👍
Good video. Finding shorts are no fun sometimes
They always rub out you really got to work hard to make sure you get them good. Words from pro right there
Let's just call it Curious Bill dad hat, awesome video Chris.
Getting me a Curious Bill hat.
1:09 - Did you invite Ike from the Bonehead Truckers channel to come visit during editing? 🤣 (Good thing you were using headphones to monitor, or you'd never have known!) I've never tinkered with the built-in effects on my mixer, maybe I should sometime.
I must be learning more than I thought about your diagnosis process, because once you said you never turn the unit off immediately upon arrival, I started saying, "you don't want to reset any error codes," and then my next thought was the unit looked old enough to have compressor lockout boards right before you mentioned them. I guess I should've stopped into work today (on my day off) to see if the Trane tech needed help, he was there at 9 AM and still there at 4 PM. 🤪
thank you for the dad hat!!
Was anyone else confused about the flex gas line? Is it rated for the btu for heat?? Why not just run ol black iron pipe. Seems like an easy way out and could cause problems later on
I will discuss this on my livestream this evening 5/15/23 @ 5:PM (pacific) come on over and check it out czcams.com/users/lived1mbaSKbOQ0
Those blower motor mounts look like the most annoying fiddly thing.
ever try putting a big rubber band around the puller? I used to do this in tight spaces, the tension keeps the fingers on the pulley and might even hold the puller in place depending on the rubber band.
I think when you get frustrated in a video while working you need to use the mixer and mix in a different pitch voiceover! 🤠👍🤪
It's not standard there to have motor protection device on three phase motors? We have them on every three phase motor, and we also never use a two pole contactor for a three phase motor
Curious as to why you didn't replace the motor while you were doing all that. If the motor got that hot, it's very possible it compromised the enamel coating on the windings. Would be a pain to have to redo all that if the motor fails. Did you do amy insulation testing or anything on the motor windings?
Nice love the first hat
Is replacing wire ties with double zip ties part of your PM package? Maybe that, along with wire nut replacement to add test points for motors, should be part of the (initial) PM package?
Wouldn't it have been easiest, and safest, just to disconnect the load wires from the contactor (and the 3rd leg terminal block) and ohm the windings? Would have seen there was in issue, than tracked it down from there in a de-energized state. Would have prevented further damage to the motor as well.
Rookie. Disconnect motor then test for power. Great way to wreck a motor. Buy some clip on leads for your meter
I don't understand what your saying?
@@HVACRVIDEOS you should’ve disconnected the motor then checked for power. You’re just asking too burn that motor out while testing. Get some fluke leads with interchangeable leads. They have clamp on leads. Sorry dude. You are a great tech but I had to call you out.
I will discuss this on my livestream this evening 5/15/23 @ 5:PM (pacific) come on over and check it out czcams.com/users/lived1mbaSKbOQ0
I’m surprised the “third leg” is missing🤭👀🤣
You know it’s a bad day when the simplest jobs are difficult.
25:12 Um, excuse me??????? LOL
USA control panel wiring is just horrible and untidy. !
Union made !!
That's typical for your basic Carrier RTU's. Nicer equipment like Aanon, 4-Seasons are very clean, wiring is in conduits, everything in the electrical panel has a label, I see these more in medical facilities, grocery stores, etc. This unit is a strip mall dumpster queen and is sadly what I continue to cut my teeth on, 17 years in the trade. I guess it's paid the bills, though 😅
Merch sales going hard. Must've been over budget on that new heat pump 😂😂😂
more info/vids on economizers ?
What's the part number for that blower motor bracket? I didn't know it existed
There's a slight typo in the title 😉
Hey Chris! Where do you usually buy those Wago wire connectors?
Why do you check power going into the fuses and not just out, couldn't you save some time by just checking the outputs and checking for voltage drop only if the output is low?
its an good practice, Its works for him and these videos are used to train his guys
He lives and works in the California desert, and there is a history of the power coming into the bulidings, losing one leg. So he always checks the incoming legs to see if that happened. Checking output, you may get carry over power and send you down a rabbit hole.
Original comment from 1 hour ago, and a reply to that comment is from 2 hours ago... 👏 Good job, CZcams!
Best practice is to start with the feed. You don't want to waste time checking everything "south" of the disconnect only to discover the problem is between the breaker panel and the disconnect. As DemonKnight mentioned, there can be capacitive coupling to an otherwise "dead" line. Chris has had videos in the past where units have lost a phase due to building wiring, and videos where the incoming service to the building dropped a phase.
Is there some kind of alignment jig you can buy or make for the blower motor replacement? If there is such a device, it might be a time not to mention money saver. Just asking.
The good thing about economizers is they can be melted down and turned into beer cans.
Wagos is good troubleshooting.
Should you check oil levels?
Any trucker hats coming in the near future?
so why is it bad to roll a belt off i do it all the time on the air blowers at my sewer plant
Rolling them.off can stretch them out and cause premature failure.... but sometimes you gotta do it
Freaking carrier drives me crazy man. The fact that they are so prevalent frustrates me. But of all the units I work on, carriers are simple electrical wise. However, I hate accutrol units.
Those Carrier units are junk. Very easy to work on, but notorious for rub outs. Guess i shouldn't complain though....if they did a better job....i wouldn't have as much work 😂. I work on far more Carrier products than anything else ( i understand market share values ). I'd take a Trane over any if the bigger names. Yes no manufacturer makes a fool proof product, and they all have their own quirks.
Just as a FYI......BROWNING makes a self adjusting bracket that keeps proper tension on the belt at all times....of course nobody wants to buy it....but its available as an option
Carrier has some janky ass blower compartments. I started running the blower wiring in liquid tight down on the deck instead of stretching across the housing, on occasion the customer even let's me do this before the factory smoke escapes 😂
The one thing that seemed odd was that when you measured the voltage at the motor that the "good" legs measured 120V, but they were 208V lines. It was probably best that you replaced all three legs. I'm not sure if the 120V triggered a 120V good brain cell, but it should have read 208V. Maybe i missed something.
John I was testing to ground at that point so. Each leg on a 208 volt service to ground will read 120v
208Y/120V that's the normal result due to phase shift and Wye wiring. 208Volts phase to phase and 120V from any of the three phases to neutral(or ground when properly bonded).
Delta wiring or higher voltages are a different scenario.
I always roll belts on and off what's the harm?
Noticed bent motor support plate. Is it corect to call the old one a banana-shaped or propeller-shaped? If not, why? I'm just curious.
I would power separately
would you release fitted hats ? I know its inconvenient because of all the different sizes but I there any way I can order a fitted hvacr hat?
What was the weird sound?
Definitely need a whole video in the chipmunk voice. Lol
Why don't you use a straight edge for proper ALIGNMENT