Best Bike Cam for 2023? Cycliq Fly 12 Sport Review
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- čas přidán 26. 11. 2022
- Testing and reviewing the new Cycliq Fly 12 Sport. Possibly the best new bike cam for 2023 but arguably over-priced.
** There have been a few Comments about long term reliability and customer service. I've brought these to the attention of Cycliq's General Manager and he's now watching the comments. I'm told the Covid related supply chain disruptions hit them hard. They're aware of the damage this caused their brand and are working to change this.**
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Really appreciate this breakdown. So no helpful. I don't have any video gear yet and I'm still researching what might work for me. Reading specs makes my head hurt, but hearing you explain it all is so much more effective. 🙏🙏🙏
Another excellent review, pointing me towards the Fly 12. Thank you!
Thumbs up from me. But would have appreciated a mention of the wind noise resistance, if any.
Locally plates are only required on the rear of private and small commercial vehicles so having a Varia with camera will only give so much information. The Fly 12 paired with a Varia for road riding would allow one to have a better chance to capture the plate number if needed and the Varia radar gives one a warning if quite electric vehicles are approaching. Something to consider.
Great video, happy to have found your channel!
Very pleased to have you here - and I've subscribed to your channel
I think you have helped me to decide to buy one soon along with the varia radar / cam.
It’s a good pairing. Earlier models had issues according to comments on here. I’ll give this a long term test but for regular riding where you don’t need to be ultralight I like it so far.
Great video, really useful. Thanks for the info!
Wow! It never occurred to me to have a safety camera. Brilliant!
Have you not been hit by a car yet? Have you not gotten doored yet? Have you not been taken down by a wingmirror? Drivers and their insurance companies will lie their assess of and say it is all your fault. Wihtout camera's its is your word against theirs. In court that is as good as pissing against the wind.
Pretty good, now using Cycliq for headlight cam, and tooocycling for rear light cam, considering latest Magicshine too as alternative for rear light cam
I never heard of those brands.
What are they like? Where from?
Very helpful video. I might get one these, thank you. Here in SW Florida cars don't have number plates on the front so that might limit the usefulness, I wonder which bright spark thought it might be a good idea not to bother with plates on the front? But then again they don't even have MOT's or any safety checks here so nowt surprises me.
Wow - that's quite a miss! I thought those tiny Italian plates were unreadable. I guess CCTV is not quite a such a thing there either...
@@alwaysanotheradventure almost non existent Simon. When we used to come here on holiday and the captain told us to put our watches back 5 hours, I think he really meant 50 years :-)
Excellent video as always. I’ve been using a head cam for my 3 mile commute for the last 10 years. I recently bought a second hand GoPro hero 3 black for £50 from cex to replace my ageing mobius action camera. It took some experimentation to find the best settings to capture number plates at night. I found 1080p 60fps with protune (raw setting) gave reliable results. A slower frame rate gave blurred results. Protune off looked smoother with little noise but number plates were hard to read. However as you said, the battery life is disappointing
Faster frame rates are always best for action, which is why the Fly's advertised 4k is a cheap - 24fps is designed to give blur!
@@alwaysanotheradventure i wonder if going faster than 60fps would be better again? I would have to drop the resolution. I might try it tomorrow 👍. An advantage of the GoPro over the mobius is that it is more visible to drivers behind. I think I have noticed fewer close passes since switching. It must be changing driver’s behaviour
@@2rocship I find when I put a light on my helmet drivers seem to 'behave' more because they think it's a camera. As for the frame rate - most normal video runs at 24 or 25/30fps (EU/USA). So 60fps is 50% slow motion. 120fps is the usual next step and that's real slow motion. The sensor has two problems with increasing the frame rate; firstly it has to react to lower light, because the frames are passing faster, and secondly it has to process significantly (double) the amount of data, then write that data to a card. So even if it can handle the write speed, the image might not be that great due to the light level - that's why at night in this video I was experimenting. You;re right though - the best way is to try it!
@@alwaysanotheradventure another thing to consider is field of view. The GoPro has 3 options (wide, medium and narrow). Having a narrow field of view makes the number plates larger and easier to read. However you risk missing the action altogether… Also, I looked at faster frame rates than 60fps. 720p, 120fps and wide fov (only option available) offered no advantage over current settings (1080p, 60fps, medium fov, protune on).
I’ve had the fly12 without any issues since it came out about 5 or 6 years ago, I’m going to buy the fly 12
I have the previous version of both the front and rear lights. My main gripe is that bluetooth does not turn off when the unit is off, early on I regularly came to use them, only to find the battery dead.
You have to turn bluetooth off on the unit before powering down.
Hi Edward - I think they must have put this right now because I haven't found this happening on this unit.
I’ve used Cycliq for a while, starting with the previous generation rear light camera. They are great quality units and I’ve captured lots of close shaves! What has never worked is the app and phone connection.
I haven’t used those early ones but the app work very well with the 12 Sport
Did you ever get caught riding in the rain with your Cycliq?
Is it waterproof, or is it easily drowned?
@@JonWrightson Many times. Never had any issues despite some biblical rain.
@@moobaz8675 Thanks for the reply.
Can I ask: What year's versions have you been using? And is that both front and back?
Thanks for the review. Richmond Park and Sheen looked good.🙂
we were dog-sitting for brother-in-law's family 😁
Interesting to see your opinion. I bought both the 12 and the 6 and had to wait 9 months before they were shipped by the company. It took me a while to get a suitable mount as having g very narrow bars it was a problem to mount. I quite liked the idea of having lights in them to save clutter. What a disappointment the battery with light on flashing has about 3 hours the 6 even less and even without the lights on not much more. Now I’m someone who is out on the bike for more hours than that so pretty poor. I contacted the company and they wanted me to do turn it on in the house and sit with it and record the time it lasted all well and good of you have the time in your life to do so. So basically I haven’t bothered using it at all and shall more than likely sell it as it’s just another bit of faffing about before a ride.
It may be fine for short commutes but no point for someone who rides distances.
This new one has handled three hour rides and only lost one bar of charge. I admit I haven't run a series of tests with different levels of consumption, but I shall.
@Advanced Driving when I bought mine there was a holdup for some reason at the factory.
@@alwaysanotheradventure Have you ever been caught in the rain with the Cycliq?
Is it waterproof, or easily drowned?
@@JonWrightson I’ve not tested that John but I will this winter for a long term review. Have you had an issue with one?
I was interested in these, but have been put of by the negative comments around them failing and poor customer service. A long term test would be good
Hopefully some of the issues addressed in this new version. I’ll try to hang onto it and see what it’s like in a few months.
I can wholeheartedly recommend Drift Ghost XL (1080p/30fps) It's waterproof, has 9 hours continuous filming battery, performs quite well in low light also. It has very easy and intuitive settings and LCD panel to read everything you need. Also lens is rotating so you can adjust the angle if mounted on helmet.
I keep looking at that one, but it always looked a little bulky. It has been around for ages, but I know some people really like it. I'm please it works for you.
I have one of these as well but use it more to record rides rather than as a safety cam. Like you, I'm impressed with it but image stabilisation is an issue when off road but it's definitely a good contender for a commute safety cam and a favourite with motorcyclists. I don't find it at all bulky but it does 'pull' a little if you have it mounted on your helmet at the end of a long ride.
I had one but it ALWAYS froze within 20 minutes and would not record beyond that. I heard similar reviews from others who owned one as well. I'm surprised yours works.
@@pointbreak2811 😂😂Are you telling me that for once in my life I’ve been lucky with tech? But no, never had it freeze it on me.
Reads number plates at night on a bike in city traffic?
Seems like a great option and reliability and battery life sound good 👍🚴🤩
I find it difficult to switch on & off with gloves on, also I have a commute where I want to turn the light from flashing to constant when entering through a park that has no lighting, however, I tend to press the lock clip button, when trying to do this. The light change and lock clip buttons are too close together.
All good points for a long term review. Thank you.
Thanks for the review! However, that rural uphill road you were riding was sketchy....busy, no shoulder, high speed cars. A recipe for 💥🚴♂️
That's where I ride all the time! The road is busy in clumps of cars as it's just 10miles from a wee ferry.
Great review, thx👍
I used to run both a rear and front cycliq ce cameras. I managed to get both used for £200. The rear camera failed some time ago. The front camera is on its last legs.
I would like to replace the setup with newer camera lights, but spending upwards of £400 on the setup is a bitter pill to swallow, and I say this as someone who spent £4.5k on an Orbea Orca in 2020
I was wrestling with the price thing as I was constructing the review. Here's the thing - the more you ride, the less faff you want and the more you're likely to need this evidence. If you were in a bump that went to court, how much in hindsight would you pay to get footage from someone else if you could to back up your case? It's difficult because we all have different perceptions of value.
Great video
Thank you. This is very useful.
You're welcome - and while some people found long term issues with the earlier versions, I'm still using this with no problems
Good review and fortunately this time, my sort of cycling doesn't merit it so I've no need to go through the decision making process or spin my wife a yarn about how essential this latest piece of kit is! It is lamentable however that we even need to be considering such devices, such are the poor skills of many using the roads.
You're right - I feel awful that I now ride here in the highlands with cameras.
Thanks for sharing.
I’m still ok with the ChilliTech. It’s less good resolution but battery is good and I’ve had two successful prosecutions of close pass drivers with it over the years
Do you have an issue with it randomly stopping as mine does? I lost a bit of confidence in it., and with that faint blue light it was hard to tell whether the thing was running. Still, it's much better value.
As always ❤
Can you please suggest me cycling pants and long sleeve shirts?
I’m a fan of Assos shorts and tights - superb pad. They have a sale on now. Jerseys are more difficult as the fit is very personal.
Thank you for the excellent review. I did consider purchasing, but it’s the negative feedback as a company that has put me off, there is such a lot and of a recent date. I’m hoping Garmin will come up with a similar product to compliment the Varia RCT715. Thank you again.
They have been good to deal with - but clearly others have found differently
I received a faulty rear light which only recorded for 30 mins then would switch off leaving me to stop and turn back on every time as it was not a battery issue. Instead of a replacement I was asked to send to them for repair because I’d used it and advised I could use a separate rear light simultaneously for peace of mind 😂 Returned to shop as faulty they had no stock so was given a refund. Terrible service from cyclic surprised they are still trading.
@@chrishewitt777 I first saw GP Lama’s review a few weeks ago and even he had had issues with the company, but he did state they had reflected on that and were trying to improve. I also read the trust pilot reviews, rather than their own. You have to do some research when making a considered spend. I’m currently using a go pro 10 linked to a battery bank and carry spare batteries in case of heavy rain. I hope Garmin come up with something to shake the market up.
Garmin, shake the market up? They can’t sort out their buggy edge cycling computers, and it seems other players are waking up to that and offering more reliable and feature rich devices. Let’s hope the same happens with a safety camera. I’ve no need for a light/camera combined - how much better would the battery life be, and more compact would the unit be, if just a safety camera. I’ve a very good daylight safety light - exposure trace.. just a decent safety camera with image stabilisation, and cracking battery life for 5-/ hour rides would be great.
What about battery life, will it record when connected to an external battery source, will it download to an iPad, iPhone?
It’s on long term test right now.
I use toocycling camera at rear and a Insta360 x3 at the front. I had an accident and thé camera was broken but insurance or the bas guy paid all. The rear dashcam is perfect except the quality of the video at night.
If you don’t mind the 360’s inherent vulnerability with its exposed lenses then it’s great. Some people put them on helmets for an all-round view. You’re absolutely right about night recording too - it’s never great.
@@alwaysanotheradventure X3 is expensive and Lens are easy to scratch, that’s the trouble.
Has the Varia715 improved since DCRainmaker's demolitiion review 9months ago? Wasn't complimentary of the app especially. Definitely looking at the Fly12S, not sure about Varia or Fly6.
Hi Stephen - I saw that review and while DC is usually the first place I turn for a kit review, I think he got it wrong on that occasion.
I’ve used the 715 on every road ride and it just works, provided you use it as a security cam. If you want to regularly pull video clips for social media, get a GoPro.
I use the App to set it up and, if there’s a lot of wind, as a backup audio that’s louder than my head unit. Otherwise I’ve never once needed to download footage via the App.
Here was my review at the time:
czcams.com/video/GBTH1DikxIE/video.html
Can you get the Strava overlay to work in the desktop software? Im going nuts trying to do so.
I haven't tried - it wasn't something I'm particularly interested in, but I'll give it a go
@@alwaysanotheradventure please share your results! Cheers 😎
Persevering with my ChilliCam for the moment. Started mucking about after 6 months but they sent me a free replacement. That's been a bit unreliable of late, so we'll see... I like the furtive nature of it in terms of discrete close pass entrapment (I'm a five reports a week kind of guy) and it's decent at picking up phone use as you drift casually by the driver's window. Crap in low light, but not sure I want to splash cash just yet.
Oh and fine with Mac - opens in Quicktime, no probs
They must have updated it - the .AVI files wouldn’t play on my Mac without converting. Pleased it’s still working for you Simon.
@@alwaysanotheradventure There's a MKII Version launched in May 2021 with a different chipset with .mov files :) We've also got a Higher end model launching shortly also
@@chillitechnology That would be interesting to try. Especially if it's clearer when the thing is running - that blue button is hard to see whether it's lit
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I'll wait for version 3.
Is it possible to connect it to a powerbank so that the camera can record in the highest settings for hours?
It’s a great point Walter and it’s one I’ll try for a long term review. I can’t do that at the moment as I’m away for a few weeks.
I use the Fly 12 Sport, great camera cant say the same about the light, it needs a dip beam function so it doesn't blind oncoming drivers.
This is an issue with many lights I guess. You can change the setting so it’s not too bright (which is how I have mine set) and then use another light to actually see the road.
A simply DIY - add a reflective card and attach it on the top of the light. This will bring the light down and not hinder the recording.
Every time I have ever been in a potentially serious cycle accident it has been a hit and run. I was unconscious for one, chased one on foot but he drove the car at me, and I chased the last one down as the bike was not broken, but didn’t have a phone on me (would have been his word against mine anyway) the number plate is the only thing that counts in my opinion. I don’t ride at night at all anymore but based on my latitude low light is important.
That sounds awful for you!
@@alwaysanotheradventure been cycling for 40 years so overall not awful. Thanks for the tip on the cheapest camera, sounds like the one for me.
On Amazon it's now not available. Interesting 🤔. Did it get pulled because of supply issues or other problems? Makes you wonder why
What about the flashing light? Doesn't it interfere with the camera recording?
The camera doesn’t boost video quality much but I wouldn’t have it flashing at night or you’ll go crazy with the strobe effect - it’s for daytime and stands out for drivers. No idea about it being on/ off Amazon but mine still works well and the company just launched new rear light camera Fly 6 Pro.
@@alwaysanotheradventureThanks for this update. Long term reviews of this unit are hard to come by. I’m really struggling to choose between this and the dji action 4 as the prices in the Uk are about the same now.
i notice your not been uising velo bike as much but more sonder is there particular reason for it?
This was slightly spooky as I spotted this message just as I came back from my first Vielo ride in a while! Yes, there were reasons, but all practical considerations. Firstly, I changed tyres and had issues getting them set up tubeless, so took them to the LBS. Secondly, the Camino feels better for longer bikepacking trips and I did a couople of those. Thirdly, I've been testing the Cycliq Fly 12 Sport and the new Redshift Pro Shockstop Seatpost, neither of which fit the Vielo (handlebars too big a diameter). And finally, for the recent trip down south I didn't want such an expensive bike on the back on the van, especially when I occasionally had to go into motorway services. It was great to get back on it!
@@alwaysanotheradventure haha i might be your mysterious stalker , excellent thanks for the message
I have the older versions of both Cycle's front & rear lights and although they are great they are flawed.
The front & rear lights created different files which meant that the rear light required additional software to retrieve and view the captured videos. The battery life is nowhere near what they state. Both lights were limited to SD card capacity.
The Chillitech cameras are terrible the vibrations from cycling do not give you a decent image or video - they are cheap for a reason so I would avoid them completely.
Agree about the Chillitech, but a comment on here said the new ones were better - don't know. LIkewise the Cycliq - I hear the one I've tested is better but time will tell.
I needed to see this. I was assaulted a few weeks ago while cycling.
How long does the battery last is my huge question. ave you found it last that 7 hours on 2K?
Can you use it on Android??
How do you film yourself while cycling?
What an awful experience Mia, I'm sorry to hear that. I'll go through your questions as best I can, with one answer to follow.
Battery life depends hugely on mode - flash or pulse lasts longer but I can't use flash at night or it does my head in. temperature also makes a big difference. I haven't tested all the combinations of duration, but I can't see many light lasting 7 hours.
What most riders doing extended routes do is get a light that works while it is charging (not all do such as Exposure Lights). I'm testing this now and it seems the Cycliq. So I wouldn't worry about internal battery life, I'd carry one or more battery packs in a top-tube bag and connect them with a USB cable when on a longer ride.
There are apps for iOS and Andriod, plus Mac and Windows.
But unless your assailant happened to be standing right in front of you, this wouldn't capture what happened. I think there are two options.
Jeremy Vine has an Insta360 X3 mounted on his helmet. This looks utterly ridiculous - like a Mars Bar growing out of your head. But it captures everything within 360 degrees. You link it to the App or Desktop and decide which bit of the footage you want to use/share after the event. I have one of these cameras and I use it on a pole out in-front, but that's just to film me in a creative way. It's not a security feature.
How I film myself - it's as low school as it looks. I have a GoPro on a small tripod, I line up a shot, I go back, and I ride past the camera. Every. Single. Time. It takes ages! When I want a POV - Point of View shot - I stuff the tripod down the front of my jersey or jacket, with the camera sticking out of the top. It's much faster than using a chest harness, which most people go with.
If you want to record what's happening to you, rather than the bike, then a helmet or chest mounted camera is the way to go.
I made a video about how I shoot / structure / edit videos. A few things have changed over the years, but the principles are the same. czcams.com/video/gB1jlSvPWio/video.html
If anything different comes from my test of the Cycliq I'll add another comment.
Ran the Cycliq until it dropped a bar of charge, plugged it into the battery pack, and it seems to be recharging while illuminated and recording.
@@alwaysanotheradventure this is one of NICEST, most caring replies I've ever gotten on a comment! Subscribing to your channel! The mere fact that you took the time to give such a concise answer to my questions is nothing short of amazing!
First of all, THANK YOU SO MUCH. As a female, senior cyclist I have NEVER had any problems ever until 2 weeks ago. Egads.
Second, I am going to study this reply carefully and show it to my Spousal Unit who is also a cyclist.
Third I bought you some coffee. God knows I drink coffee too!
@@MiaHessMusic My pleasure Mia.
Can it pair with a Garmin edge?
Sadly no
Thanks for this excellent review/comparison. I probably, to be honest, don't cycle as much as I should to make it worthwhile buying any of those for myself but I am always impressed with your thoroughness and quality of your videos. Always a pleasure to view. Thanks again....Terry
Thanks Terry
Easter, I was struck by an inattentive driver that came up from behind and turned into me. The POS left the scene and me lying in the road with 2 fractures in my hip. I had been looking at cameras, but I hadn't pulled the trigger yet. BOY, I wish I had one. A forward, only, camera may or may not have captured their LP. I can see the advantage of one forward and one rear facing camera. JUST not affordable. I like the FLY12.
Sorry to hear that Dav
I want that handlebar. What is it?
Here you go - I have the loop and non-loop versions czcams.com/video/MJIxLRUKQZM/video.html Redshift Sports Kitchen Sink Handlebars
I owned and used both Cycliq Fly 12 and 6 Front and Rear cameras and they are both unreliable, problematic with horrible battery life. I don't recommend Cycliq, period.
Does it have a microphone?
It records audio but not in great quality
I have the original - but the CE and the sport come with a woeful bracket for the price. It's that what has really stopped me buying the sport.
They knew they got things wrong with early models and customer service. The new mount is still working well for me.
@@alwaysanotheradventure -;the bracket on MK1 is good as it's integral. The little 50p bracket on the CE and Sport is a poor decision from cycliq
I think it’s overpriced at £300. Is it really worth 6 times the price of the Chilli? I have a previous version of the Fly 12 that stopped working after not much use, it’s also a heavy lump of a unit. Techalogic do a similar camera/light that’s only £100 and works with an App. I’m going to get one of those, not this £300 job.
Yes, I can see exactly why you’d go down that route. The ‘worth it’ is very personal.
I have used the cycliq 6 rear camera it went om the blink sent it back and they sent a replacement and that went on the blink never again will I buy a cycliq product EVER again
I'm not arguing with you, just pointing this out; I've heard a few comments like this and brought it up with Cycliq. They realise they had a big problem with both durability and customer service. They SAY they're working hard to change that now. I've been using this camera on just about every ride since I started testing it and it's still working fine.
Not a big fan of integrating lights with cameras if one fails you lose both or carry the bulk of a dead item. So often they have compromised performance and/or poor battery life to make them as small as possible to attract the weight weenies/ aero advocates.
Interesting point re-combination. There's also an issue about bar space for separate items, but I take your point and it's not one I'd considered.
Very disappointed you have removed my earlier comment. I have been a user of Cycliq rear camera/light product for several years still have one on my bike. I gave honest feedback regarding the after sales service.
I’ve not removed ANY comment at all. I’m sorry if CZcams has done so and I have no idea why they do it! It’s very annoying.
@@alwaysanotheradventure ... Thank you for replying. I apologise for my assumption.
@@MP-th4nx I really am sorry too - I did a short about this. It sometimes happens when the comment contains a link, but not always. there seems to be no logical reason!
All my cycliq fly cameras are crap. the rear light stopped working after a few weeks. the front cam has been ok, but its mounting wore out fast and the battery didnt last. i would not tell anyone to waste money on this brand.
The contrast in reactions to the Fly are quite amazing. I’m doing a long term test on mine and it’s great.
I gave up with Cycliq. V1 of the front camera was okay but heavy. It's battery was awful and nowhere near claimed battery life. V2 was lighter but my first unit failed very quickly. Again battery life was well below advertised. The returns process involved sending the unit to an EU warehouse. It took 4 weeks to get my replacement unit which failed again within a couple of months. Battery life was not good. I'd had enough at this point and went back to a GoPro and Lezyne light set up. Both are faultless. Pressing two buttons far outweighs Cycliqs poor reliability and excruciating customer service. They are simply not fit for purpose.
Well that sounds dreadful! I can only speak as I find and it has been great to use, far less fiddly than GoPros (and I've had every GoPro model apart from the 6 and 11). Shocking to hear of bad service though.
@@alwaysanotheradventure not sure why you say the gopro is fiddly; they start recording with one button, stop recording with one button. Video quality is high. The only thing you could say is having to change batteries after 1,5h. Well, i usually have a small stop at long rides anyway, the gopro is reachable when riding (wouldn’t advice to do that btw) , battery door opens with one hand, empty battery out, new one in, press button to start recording en off you go. I have it on a mount attached to the garmin mount. Comes easily off when i want to use it to record the surroundings or whatever you find during a ride..
I think i’ll prefer buying another gopro (12?) over the cycliq. But honestly, they don’t seem so bad and do the job like you showed here.
@@Stevenafoe I think you’re right Steven - I got the wrong word here. I was trying to express the fact that on a three hour ride I’d need to carry and change quite a few batteries. I think it can go on looping so probably not cards. I love GoPro cameras and have used every model since the 2, but the ease of use of this Cycliq as a safety camera beats it for this task in my opinion
This camera is impossible to buy anywhere, too bad
No its not. I had the Fly 12 and found it heavy, unreliable, poor image quality, expensive and short on battery life. I now have the Drift ghost XL Pro and its 10 times better.
Well I can only speak as I find, and hopefully I'll keep this for a while to try a six month test. Drift seems to have been around as an action camera for a decade but hasn't really made the same impression as the GoPro.
That small Ghost XL does look good - i can see why it would appeal..
Far to expensive
The new Chilli Tech out this week looks better value.
Absolutely not the best camera. Ordered a fly 12. Faulty straight out of the box. Not im going to be charged a 3% fee to return it.... just for the privilege of being sent a faulty ddvice. Do not buy this useless camera from this scammy company which has terrible customer service.
That's not great! Thanks for letting me know. As for the camera, I can only go by my own experience which is still a good camera many months after I made this. They're aware they had a poor customer service reputation and told me they were trying to correct it - your experience suggests they're failing big style and I'll reflect this when I do a follow-up video. Thanks for posting.