Detained Under Terrorism Act for Being “Up to No Good”
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- čas přidán 26. 04. 2022
- 26th April 2022, Etihad Stadium, Manchester.
Two Greater Manchester Police Sergeants unlawfully detain me under "the counter terrorism law", for filming the journey of a vile and abusive pack of Real Madrid fans as they marched through Manchester spitting at children, attacking people photographing and filming, and attacking Manchester City fans. GMP's priorities are highlighted perfectly here.
For those of you that are addicted to TikTok and have the attention span of a Goldfish, the video begins at around 0:23
CORRECTION: s.43 is the power to search a person under the Terrorism Act 2000, not the power to demand name and address. I cannot find which section he was attempting to enforce under this Act. I'm not still 100% confident as to which legislation he means by "the counter terrorism law". - Zábava
Embarrassing, they don't even know the law they're supposed to be enforcing.
Especially in Rotherham, Rochdale, Oldham and Telford etc, etc.
@@truckerfromreno , absolutely!
20 years of being in the job and a sergeant and he didn't know a section 43 wow.Mate I am a retired officer and you handled that brilliantly.
That officer is an embarrassment. Needs to be removed from the force urgently re-trained. He's a danger to himself and the public.
3:00 20 years of policing and he gets something as simple as s43 search totally and utterly wrong.
Exactly! Even viewers know S43 of the terrorism act.
Says the baby 👶
The worst part of this is the fact it was clear the second officer was happy to stand by knowing that a member of the public was being treated like that. This is how the Wayne Couzens get away with it as the rest turn a blind eye. She should have spoken up and ended this.
Spot on about Couzens. He was known about amongst his collegues, his nickname was the rapist. I couldn't believe that when I read it.
They keep saying that not all police act unlawfully, but if a "good" policeman stands by and does nothing, he is not a "good" policeman, and very soon it becomes the norm
well good to know there are bad police in the U.K. as well
@@killazilla44 it's the gang mentality and the power
Exactly, they say a few bad apples, but there is more than a few otherwise the couldn't exist 1 bad cop bahaving badly + 2 good cops = 3 bad cops period
The lack of knowledge of the law is shameful and appalling. What you were doing was lawful. Good audit, thank you.
1:30 The Terrorism Act doesn't enable name and address to be asked for. Section 43 allows for searching, but doesn't specify that ID needs to be given unless actually arrested.
Spot on Sad 😃
@@a-bootiful-mind6648 Kerching!
Just subbed too this guy!!..SAD LAD .mate u watch all auditing videos what do u think of UK MEET THE TYRANTS?..... 🤔
@@lizgreen2936 I'm not a total fan of UK-MTT or of his style, but he occasionally gets some good content. He pushes the boundaries sometimes just a tad too far, but he is still within the law.
There is no one correct way of conducting an audit, you can be polite and bow to the perceived authority and being able to get your footage published. Or you can let the other side go over the top and resort to the law and courts to back your case as when auditor get arrested, equipment seized and then sue for compensation.
MTT is one end, AB is the other. With DJ/PJ and Kolee/AuditEd/PttP/etc being in the middle.
Do you speak from experience?
This is one dangerous officer, either he is a compulsive lying tyrant or he is clueless, Wayne Couzens textbook behaviour, a genuine danger to the public.
Photography is not a crime and he knows that. You don’t need to do anything but keep quite. You don’t need to give your name and address for section 43 it’s just a search nothing more unless they find something related to terrorism.
So he’s detaining you but does not know the law. We are all citizen journalists anyone can be press. You don’t need to have ID for anything. You never needed to give your details, because it’s under section 43 that’s a search only. He’s really really messed up here,I think inside he knows it but his ego won’t let him go. What an idiot, she’s a fool as well.
Up to no good but where is the crime. When he goes to court will he tell the judge you were up to no good. Suspicious activity is not a crime, you don’t get help from the police as they are the criminals just look at the misconduct hearing if you don’t believe me. Next time give them nothing and never take any ID out with you we don’t need to carry ID in the U.K. He said a private area, I saw plenty of people there. We are in a police state now.
Subject vs Servant's 💥
Private property maybe - but the gates were wide open allowing everybody through. Ergo, publicly accessible.
This is why I left the UK. I was harassed by an officer after I respectfully got off my electric scooter. The bad cops sense manners / weakness and go after it to feel important. To be fair though, they have been briefed to protect the stadium from stakeouts that might lead to bombing.
That was one of the most broken looks I've seen a police officer have, he knew he was failing at his duty.
The copper's ego has been bruised, he made it all about himself, I'm doing my job etc, watching all day, he is just a narsasist, escalating instead of de-escalation.
Dude, nicely handled, you remained calm and really held yourself under stupidity and concern. This officer really messed up on so many levels & you pointed this out to him on several occasions. If you proceed with a civil claim this will be very easy.
Stay awesome !
Fuck remaining calm, slate him for being waster of police time and idiot. The goal was wide open there to demoralise and humiliate him publically, and fully warranted, he's a thug, which I'm sure will be proven when they send the out of court settlement cheque :)
Subjects vs Servant's 💥
That Sgt is a joke. The other cop knew he had messed up and said nothing.
Precisely.... action should be taken against both the other Police as they did nothing to end the encounter.... Principal offender legislation.
Terrible behaviour from that cop. Looks like an unlawful stop and you don’t need to give your details under section 43. He appeared to know neither the section or that he’d no right for your details. Seemed to me he realised he messed up and hopefully you’ll pursue a civil claim.
7:03 "Filming in a private area large groups of public." This is a literal contradiction in terms.
Yep, if there is a large group of the public, then it must be a public place. Anyway, there is no law against filming in or on private property.
@@TheSadButMadLad Some, if not most areas within the grounds stipulate that photography is not permitted. Aside that, since when have GMP been policy enforcers for a private entity?
@@BusterCapInYoAss I'm not a citizen of the UK so I'll have to defer to your expertise. I stand by the fact though that photography is not a crime (in the free world) and one cannot trespass the eyes.
@@BusterCapInYoAss Yeah but it's still civil isn't it, not criminal. They can just ask you to leave. The Police here really did act like a private security firm, very odd behaviour.
A private company can hire half of Manchester Police force but there's not enough police to come round to your house after you've been burgled or your car has been broken into.. funny how that works isn't it
Oh my God He's on Private Land
Oh my God he's been filming the group of Hooligans
Oh my God he's not spoken directly to the land owner
This video makes the Police look ridiculous
"Quick Boris!
Militarise Police to stop the predatory photographers trying to destroy liberty."
"I love China. I'm a fervent Sinophile"
- Boris Johnson
and this is why people should watch my channel
Zeus your God?
And this video in a nutshell neatly sums up why the general public have totally lost confidence in policing in the UK. Detaining someone without sufficient grounds (any) and then not even knowing the actual name of the legislation (what exactly is the 'Counter Terrorism' Law!!?) he was using to detain the person. Dreadful, DREADFUL policing - it's frankly embarrassing if this is the standard at GMP.
The main reason is paying them huge sums of money and getting nothing in return bar hassle like this.
Standard at GMP? 80,000 crimes deliberately not processed and followed up. That's all you need to know about GMP.
@@cyclist68 And when you make complaints about crimes by officers, brushed off.
Or take any Charlie Vietch video. Typically I spot a crime within 20 seconds, a minute at the most.
It's a disaster.
NOT just GMP, exactly the same throughout the approx 40 other police forces in Britain. The police are intellectually and educationally 'remedial' quality, in other words, the average police/man/woman/those who haven't decided terminally thick as the proverbially and this incontrovertible fact is confirmed on a daily basis by the numerous posts of various auditors.
superbly handled. Hopefully a claim for unlawful imprisonment will be going in. Not that the police are bothered about saving money. Great work, well done. 🙂
It's taxpayers money that's used to pay those claims. Which is why the pigs don't give a shit about how they behave.
You MUST pursue legal action against these two officers. Discusting abuse of powers. Every action was unlawful. You did not have to disclose any medical conditions to him but undoubtedly that's what made his pants go brown and for the interaction to change course so quickly. He needs striking off as clearly doesn't know even the basics of policing/ law.
Its also a form of harassment and discrimination for him to suggest that because someone identifies themselves as having Paranoid Schizophrenia that he has a `duty of care` and has to contact a carer. Its perfectly legal to have paranoid schizophrenia and be able to live a normal life and go about your business.
"Do your worst, tell the SAS" 😎😎😎
They are servant's too
If you’re going to be this keen to detain under the Terrorism Act, you would at least make yourself vaguely familiar with its detail and sections. Hard to believe you could be so clueless after 20 years of policing. This guy is a power crazy bully.
Good job fritzmedia. Tyrants like this abuse their power to try and intimidate citizens into not filming in public.
Its annoying that public photographers like us have to constantly be on the lookout for this kind of nonsense, by the people that are supposed to be protecting the public's rights.
Good of you to stay calm and cool... But I would not be as fast to give out my health info to an officer that does not truly need it at the time... Maybe that's just me... Love your videos man!!... Be Safe!!
I'd have said he couldv'e been much more assertive and beat the cop down, as the cop had nothing, zero and zip diddly and was walking into a civil action against him. The copper even said about the owner, so there hadn't been any complaint, the copper was just making the whole thing up just to inconvenience the lad going about his daily business, nothing to do with the copper whatsoever
Disgusting abuse of power and the Terrorism Act. This must be addressed through the proper channels and those coppers disciplined.
An illegal detention and the female Sargent letting him continue to trample over your rights.
Why give him your drivers licence? just verbally give your name and address, Why discuss your medical problems, is he a Doctor? tell him your medical condition is none of his business.
3:19 That you could tell him which section he should've quoted should've given him more than enough information that you know more than him and that he better check what he's doing. That simple thing makes it worse for him as he carries on abusing your rights.
If you don't make a civil claim, then they'll keep doing it to those who don't answer back.
If people got as worked up about the government cameras maybe the world would be a better place
"Using every trick in the book" - a very apt remark that sums up the behaviour of the police precisely. DVD copies of this post should be delivered to the Chief constable, your MP, the press with a simple question, 'Has policing in Britain really descended to this level without any official response and alarm?'
the country is not heading towards being a police state, it has arrived.
The biggest problem I have with this type of incident is even if you follow through with a claim and win, absolutely nothing will happen to the officer. There will be no repercussions and he will do exactly the same the next time as he still believes he did nothing wrong.
Well handled mate, but refrain from using compliant or neutral phrases such as “that’s fine” or “no problem” during these encounters. In any complaint or civil claim police will use these to try to claim that you consented to providing your ID and participating in the stop and account process.
I hope you file a civil claim and get your £500
Agreed. But Fritz won't have expected this coming. Well handled.
I don’t know why people even carry identification when out doing this.
Don’t carry ID.
Don’t use a smart phone.
No identification possible unless you tell them yourself.
Make them make the mistakes. If they want to arrest you for failing to ID let them do it, no point to any of this else.
Must be a boring life, 20 years hard graft as a cop, just to end up as an overpaid escort for Spanish footy hooligans.
Spanish hooligans!?
Legend well done , much respect , that officer was a bully and you handled yourself well , mabes gave away too many details but well handled
10:35 So no search carried out. Just getting your ID. And s43 (which he didn't confirm, but accepted as the section) doesn't require ID. He seems to have a personal animosity against freelance CZcamsrs - just my opinion.
Just a search of my personal data after he’s no longer acting within the lawful execution of his duty. I’ll have the last laugh.
Says the baby
He also described the Etihad as an “iconic stadium” hahaha
You pissed on his cornflakes when you told him the section he needed, I second guessed his every thought after that, 'this bloke knows the law better than I do' which is a terrifying thing to know about our police force.
I have seen auditors being detained under sections of the terrorisum act,section 43,Which I thought does not mean you have to give your details.
He didn't have to supply his details, but doing that when a (unlawful) demand was made by the Police supports any civil action that may be taken.
The Tyrant had a smirk on his face when he got your ID.
Just remember the behaviour shown by England fans in the recent World Cup before we become critics of other country's fans. We showed the most racist, vile and sickening behaviour that can be shown by humans. Yet when we observe other do it they are now the enemy.
That officer is a bumbaclaat for claiming you were behaving suspiciously
Please sue them.
Why on earth did you give your details when you're not obliged to under 43?
Well in my eyes giving his name shows 100% he was worried about being locked up and in fear... As the police officer was out of order
Because I was detained under the threat of arrest and provided them under duress. This is what the court will hear.
He just profiled you by saying your up to no good when you haven't broken any laws , this cop has dug a hole and can't dig his way out of it
Clearly these think idiots have no idea about the law , you do not have to.identify UNTILL your actually arrested
These two muppets are why GMP has such an appalling record. They didn't know the law and even when told the correct section(43) wrongly applied it. There is no obligation to give your details it allows them to search. No objects were stated for the search. He hadn't a clue what he was doing, just a stupid power abusing copper with no personal skills and a limited vocabulary. This is one of the reasons why the public have lost all respect and faith in our police. It is time for reform and put them on performance related pay, and every time they screw up like this they should be personally fined, that would ensure they learn the law.
Looks like a slam dunk case for HNK solicitors.
Says the man-child
IGNORANCE CAN BE EDUCATED, AND CRAZY CAN BE MEDICATED, BUT THERE'S NO CURE FOR STUPID.
love the way you deal with bullying goons like him
nahh you was to polite to him
Did the copper not say 20 years service I know what I’m doing, obviously he doesn’t know the law obviously another tyrant doing his upmost to cause a scene to make him have a job for the day I do hope this was proceeded with and there was the outcome
That video needs to be sent to his boss Ian Hopkins so he can see how unprofessional his officers act against the public. He was a disgrace and she was no better.
What a complete car crash ! No knowledge of the acts required - Section 43 is a stop and search power and there is no need to provide details for this purpose !
Section 43 doesn’t warrant you to divulge your name and address.
cop is a knob
Congratulations brother!!! Please keep us posted on the process and outcome of this lawsuit payout! I'm so happy for you and can't wait to hear you collect your compensation!!! Hold these treasonous coward criminals accountable for their treasonous cowardly crimes!!!! There is no such thing as "counter t legislation" and under 43 they have absolutely no authority to demand your information, just search if they have reasonable grounds to believe you have prohibited items related to t and they must state which items they are expecting to find! You absolutely have to make these worthless treasonous cowards learn you have rights and will be compensated as they owe!!!
Says the subject citizen
Being detained whilst they look for a crime is unlawful and is false imprisonment. I hope you take this further and put in a claim . And these clowns wonder why they're hated so much.
Didn't know the law...now there's a surprise. Speaking a total load of crap to cause the individual as much disruption whilst all the while spouting all sorts of threats to instil fear in the person. Absolutely poor...now that's not surprising.
Am surprised he did not arrest all of the football supporters for suspicious activity paying stupid money for watching young men kick a ball into a net
6:55 So being "disrespectful" to what he does gave him grounds? Everyone is disrespectful to what GMP and the emergency services did at the Manchester Arena bombing.
For you czcams.com/video/wwzbgpMJd5g/video.html
I noticed that. And it was at that exact moment the officer got triggered.
@@tilerman Exactly, no compassion shown for the victims, but he took great offence that someone dare criticise the organisation he works for.
Always carry a calculator so you know immediately the amount of compensation for a false detainment. This one looks as if he costs the Taxpayer a fortune.
I am sure you don't need to give your name and address on a terrorism stop? They can search you and ask questions which you don't have to answer. I am sure they would need to arrest you to get your details? Get the stop receipt as that is important for you if you wish to pursue this further.
I think this cop watched the "Constable Savage" skit from "Not The Nine O'Clock News'" and thought it was a training film!
"Looking at me in a funny way".
No way should this clown have got your ID and Address. You gave that up far too easily. Sec 43 does NOT give him the right to your details and he had NO grounds.
And he's been in the job 20 years! Good lord, he hasn't a clue what he's doing.
How many more people have had their rights abused by this man.
20 years and clueless, says it all.
6:25 Another clue for his single brain cell that you aren't a terrorist. Even if you were up to no good (his words), using the terrorism act is totally inappropriate. He'd have been better off using the s50 anti-social behaviour act.
his words around 6:50 were "I know you're not up to no good"
The type of copper who makes himself busy in case he has to get stuck into some real work!
Are you detaining me without any ground right now??? YES...... he says... Tut tut..
Nice payout for you fritz fella well deserved
"Tell the SAS" 😄
Is he seriously saying that you can not film at a football stadium that's why you're up to no good he needs to be on the front desk
When you know the law better than a group of coppers now that's just sad for them
Well handled mate, love your tone in these situations. Flashes of focus pocus which I love!
He never gave you a section or act BUT . His arse started twitching when you mentioned your illness 😂🤗 well done 👍
This is infuriating. He ain’t got a clue about the law
His face screams "I AM DUMB"!!
His ego outweighs his ability as a copper, a horrible person to look up to in terms of policing. That other copper was just as bad.
Your going to get good compensation bro amazingly
I finally got to the end of the video and it turns out that he had no grounds to actually stop you otherwise he would have told you the section that he was going to search or to detain you under 🐽🐽🐽bad cop🐽🐽🐽
What's nature got to do with this!
@@matimus100 I haven't mentioned nature... I don't know if your comment was meant for me if it was I don't know what you're on about
The second copper had the most annoying smirk on her face, a big match fixture as he stated and they pick on a man with a camera, what fools
This is why nearly half this country dont trust them
There is no provision under Section 43 to provide your name and address, you can only be searched.
Wow his Ego is the real issue here! Please take this 🤡 to the cleaners! This highlights the ineptitude of GMP, doesn't know the law he's trying to inforce, and has to google them! Shameful
Ok subject calm down
Doing the same job for 20 years and still can't get it
only doing my job when did you last hear that 1939 -1945
So the cops work for private companies now? That's what the copper said at 2:05 when he asked if Fritzmedia had permission from the football club to be where he was and then added, *"this is a football fixture and we're ... we're ... on behalf of the company"*
*Nope! You are NOT there on behalf of the football company at all!*
*_"Professional football clubs currently have no legal obligation to cover policing costs outside the ground or manage transport unless they have requested Special Police Services (SPS)."_*
Filming anything from a publicly accessible area is lawful unless,when on private property the cameraman is asked to stop filming and to leave the private property .. an example of this is some shopping malls. Fritzmedia was committing no offence at all and I'm surprised he didn't pick up on the point just mentioned. The words, almost stuck in the copper's throat when he realised what he was saying! Listen at 2 mins into the video! Unbelievable!
In my personal experience it's best to say nothing to the Pigs
The only one “ up to no good “ was that clown in uniform
Asking for you to confirm any details on your civil contract with dvla whilst driving a vehicle is above and beyond his powers so you being on foot patrol is laudable .. and as for it being an offence to not update details on a driving licence... its got nothing to do with them ware you lay your head.. the only addresse they require is a contactable addresse which dosent have to be the place you live...
That cop reminds me of that stuff that forms around the water line of an unkempt toilet.
Great example of 2 officers that don`t know the law there supposed to be protecting , at there level they cant state the section of the law they are detaining someone for, sad , Not fit for purpose !
You don’t have to give them details under section 43 bruvva 👊
There's something so refreshing about an english man stating he doesn't follow football
I think this part you might be looking for but as you can see, although it is contained in the terrorism act 2000, its quite some distance from 43.
89Power to stop and question.
(1)An officer may stop a person for so long as is necessary to question him to ascertain-
(a)his identity and movements;
(b)what he knows about a recent explosion or another recent incident endangering life;
(c)what he knows about a person killed or injured in a recent explosion or incident.
(2)A person commits an offence if he-
(a)fails to stop when required to do so under this section,
(b)refuses to answer a question addressed to him under this section, or
(c)fails to answer to the best of his knowledge and ability a question addressed to him under this section.
(3)A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale.
(4)In this section “officer” means-
(a)a member of Her Majesty’s forces on duty, or
(b)a constable.
Its hard (actually it isnt is it?) to see a police officer being so clueless about laws/acts that I'm sure, are taught to the police as part of their training or later training and are so EASILY found by doing a very simple search.
Further to that, if this police officer is going to be using 43, then there is no need for anyone to provide personal details as very simply the right to demand is not there.
Another plank who doesn't know the law.
Get the copper done. The court will love him :)
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he didn't like it mate, the way he kept looking at you. he knows he fucked up, gotta give to him to keep up the act of being mister high and mighty.
Definite unlawful detainment. Walker vs Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis 2014. Constable may not forcibly detain a member of the public without arrest for the purposes of conducting further enquiries. He clearly said you were being detained, and after getting your details, changed it to stop and account.
Being up to no good. There is no crime in that one. No charging code. Suspicious behaviour in and of itself is not a crime. Making up the law. She aided and abetted her colleague and this means she is guilty of the offence as well.
Please do take them both to court. Civil claims against both, and the force.
Ask for the body worn video as well.
They will most likely settle out of court. However, he might just double down in which case wring it out of him and her.
Mind boggling the calibre of ork nowadays ..totally all in their feels.
20 Years in service what a joke