Ron DeSantis' War on Wokeness with Kmele Foster, Chloé Valdary and David Bernstein
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- Today's conversation is a roundtable with several guests instead of my usual one on one. My guests today are Kmele Foster (Co-Founder of Free Think and Host of The Fifth Column Podcast), Chloé Valdary (Founder of Theory of Enchantment, Host of The Heart Speaks Podcast), and David Bernstein (Author of the recent book "Woke Antisemitism").
We discuss Ron DeSantis' and Chris Rufo's war on wokeness. We discuss Kmele's position on race abolition. We talk about the relationship between Black and Jewish Americans, and much more.
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would love to see you interview "Destiny", he's a "leftist" who doesnt just debate/disagrees with republicans, but he debates/pushes back against left/progressives, even in the face of backlash.
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Loved this!
Great conversation. So refreshing.
Should definitely have more views and subs.
Not every African was sold by other Africans and they had no idea how horrible the slave trade was. But I guess it's cute that you think it's ok to buy into white supremacy and believe what the winners in this world have told you. Keep on shucking and jiving for Massa though.
The group "mom's for liberty" are driving desantis and his so called agenda. They have put the battery in his back. They are well connected both financially and politically. These groups are spreading like the MD family institute seems like a bunch of old birds most don't even have school age kids.
Great discussion.
One very big complaint. if your very intelligent guests are going to criticize about DeSantis “losing his soul” and implementing fascism, I think you need to include the fact that neo Marxist/ wokeness/critical theory is specifically fascist. They don’t even use the word “critique” properly, because our 😮they never critique themselves. Go away.. on moral grounds.
it’s very close to not telling the truth to avoid speaking of this. and these people are too intelligent not to do so.
The critical theory outlook literally will not allow an opposing viewpoint. They are specifically all or nothing in that belief.
If this were a human being it would be someone that we would never want talk to because they’re never even honest about their belief.
You either believe that the world needs constant activism (critique) my one race of people only to fix problems, or there is time to fix problems in time to live life.
You either believe that there is some good and the world or that there is no good.
DeSantis may be wrong, but don’t ignore the giant elephant in the room, and act like he just invented this new “fascism” of thin air.
That part of the conversation is silly. Its part of the insidiousness of this ideology that makes a person who clearly loves freedom resort to this tactic.
I say bring it on, put an opposing person to this ideology in every single class that it is taught. Require them to be honest about their beliefs, and quit being ignorant about it. To me, THAT should maybe be the law. and it also will be called fascism, because they always call things fascism. it’s getting old. Go away.
This is such a rich and healthy discussion. Thank you for your work Coleman! And for allowing so many to see and hear these taboo subjects discussed. We cannot lose our ability to think and discuss issues.
It's a good discussion, but full of self-evident answers. “I grew up eating X, so I will have a connection to X.” pretty basic.
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Let's get back to the vibe Gen X had. We had racism on the ropes. We laughed at racist jokes about others and ourselves but regarded racist people as fools stuck in the horrible past we were lucky to be born after. In the 90's if you were against racism it just meant you were a regular person. The person making the hard-core racist jokes usually got the hint nobody was laughing with him and occasionally he got knocked out. We had tough conversations without worrying about pissing each other. Anthrax and Public Enemy onstage together is a good example.
Too much togetherness isn't good for those at the top sticking it to us so Division became the game again. Politicians been playing that game since forever, Telecommunications Act in 96 made it much easier to control Info.
Don't let the TV, tablet, phone, or Teacher make you hate your neighbor. Keep thinking and keep talking to one another, People!
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Exactly…Rupaul was GenX and we looked at him as entertainment but nobody was trying to push what he does on kids.
Eminem got props cause he was dope. PERIOD!!!! and we all rocked out to Lenny Kravitz and Nirvana.
The first amendment protected Public Enemy, 2 Live Crew and David Duke. Cause we actually believed and protected free speech. But the left has taken advantage of the openness of our society and used it to their advantage. The only thing they respect is power. So if we are gonna get back to an equilibrium, we gotta use our elected leaders to act on behalf of the voters. And in my opinion that’s what Desantis is doing.
Incredible panel, intelligent and nuanced conversation, I love it! You were all great, Kmele Foster is particularly impressive.
I agree. He nailed down some concepts for me that I had not thoroughly worked out. He's sharp.
Agree or disagree. Kmele is amazing.
Yeah, Kmele killed it.
“A good teacher protects his pupils from his own influence. ”
Bruce Lee
I never heard that before. That’s a great quote.
This was definitely a nice conversation to hear. Some helpful concepts. I sometimes forget that people who value rationality exist, so thank you!
I really enjoyed the larger panel format for approaching this broad array of ideas and issues. I know Foster's work from The Fifth Column, was pleased to finally hear Valdary speak at length, and loved the balance of Bernstein's thoughts. I would love to see more of this format. It probably should hinge on the subject matter.
For instance, Hughes' one-on-one BRILLIANT conversation with Benny Morris about Israel-Palestine would've been incoherent had there been additional panelists.
Thank you for all of it Coleman...
Kmele is always interesting - great exchange with David. Love Chloe. Great discussion Coleman. Thanks.
I agree with Kmele in that we have to stop identifying everything by race . Our hyper focus on race these days is only hurting things .. race does play a part in things but it’s not the primary reason for all bad things all the time everywhere
@@brianmeen2158 Yep. It's an important point that he makes that identifying things by race is too inaccurate bc it's not specific enough. For example 'black crime.' Most black people don't commit crimes. It's more, as he says, a specific location thing, as in a specific neighbourhood, specific area of a city, specific social conditions. Lot's of other examples - 'black anti-semitism,' 'white privilege,' etc.
Amazing conversation. Every person on this panel had their own probing questions and intriguing answers to contribute. More of this, for sure.
At 1:40:42, Bernstein's comment, "...not able to argue with anyone in good faith these days..." is one that really struck a chord with me. Boy, that's so true. Everybody is so sensitive and ideologically embedded, that it's hard to have a reasoned and reasonable debate.
So true!
Yes and I’ve seen many just give up on the discussion altogether. I don’t blame them. I don’t know about you guys but it truly seems like we are just spinning our wheels at this point. Other times it feels like we have went backwards . Not good
My head hurts from all of you making me think so much. I love it.
I’m listening and at about the 15 min mark. The problem with saying that school boards, parents and communities just need to discuss and hash it out is that the current political environment allows no space for that, especially if you’re in a blue state. Parents expressing dissent to the elevated orthodoxy are dismissed as racists, transphobes, etc and are literally putting their jobs and livelihoods on the line.
I noticed that as well over the course of 2020 and to the present - on most of these issues regarding race or gender - if you disagree with anything the far left say, you are automatically a white supremacist, racist or trans phobe . There is very little room for reasonable discussion and it’s why I don’t see much progress being made with this subject
What a great discussion, I relate to Kmele’s position as an individualist, free from the trappings of the tribe while still enjoying what the tribe offers, as well as what the other tribes have to offer. It free’s you from from groupthink & group guilt.
Amen, this is the way to go
What tribe?
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Least insane conversation on these topics. Everyone here is doing great work. You are all great Americans and great people who are thinking rationally and deliberately and meticulously about these topics. You guys are moving the needle in the right direction towards rationality. Please don't give up. I support you!
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This is gold. I love the respect in, and the level of the conversation. Also the format, having 3 guest, is really great. I would love more of these.
It is scripted rubbish 🗑.
Step bakk. ✋️
The legislation is to stop the bleeding. This ideology came in under cover and most people were shocked when they actually realized what their kids were being taught. Coleman has the best take on this situation.
I definitely rank this as one of your top episodes. Thank you for the discussion.
I quit teaching in a classroom at the end of the 2021-22 school year. The amount of professional developments I had to attend in order to attain my teaching credential was mind numbing. I had to do an anti-racist reflection at the end of my first year. I had a specialist from the district come by and meet with me in order to provide support for any questions I might have teaching social studies. The woman explicitly told me, "We're working on getting the curriculum updated so that way minority students can see more of themselves in the books. We're trying to change the status quo." It felt weird, since I'm half black and half filipino, I felt as if they immediately assumed I was on board with what they were trying to do...
All that being said, I share the same reservations you guys have about the way Florida is approaching this issue. As a teacher, I never had problems talking about these subjects with my students. I had a problem with how some of the adults within the educational institution, were so eager to graft their politics onto any historical event.
Seems like some of these issues could be sorted within union
@@johnstewart7025but the union is too slanted towards the left so they aren’t going to tweak or fix anything
It was good to read your note, dear colleague. 👍 It shows the reality in American school.
In Brittain here it's all far more smooth. A lot is talked about racial justice and against racism, which is good, however the term “white privilege” is not advisable in classrooms any more. As it's the poor white boys now who are at the bottom of academic performance charts.
@@anyakirby2014 ha ha. Yeah... Suuuuuure it is.
@@anyakirby2014 - Class, not race.
Minute 36: reminded me of Denzel Washington saying that once - it’s not color, it’s culture. This is so important.
I had the same thought!
The problem with these discussions on race is that there are multiple cultures that label themselves using words from the racist lexicon. The prime example of this is the population which represents former slaves and their descendants. Though they all share a similar origin, there has grown to be many distinct cultures among them. Each of these cultures insist on being labeled "black". So now one word is doing A LOT of work. I think it was Coleman who was making a distinction between three men from three parts of the country, how their lived experiences, despite all being "black", were completely different. Those three men are absolutely, 100% from different cultures and we pretend they're not.
Very good panel and discussion. Yes, more of these, please.
Shut up.
“De-racializing is not going to solve the problem” Chloe Valdary
It might not fix the problem but hyper focusing on race and gender(which is what we are doing now) will definitely make the problem worse! How is it that some people can’t understand this? We have went backwards in the race and gender discussion in the past 4-5 years - many well-meaning people I know have pretty much given up on even trying to deal with it at this point. I don’t blame them at all
Backwards how? Women don't even have full rights to their body right now. The right is shouting ti be colorblind. As if ignoring race will fix what is broken 💔 these conversations are not going away. We have no choice but to give ourselves the full attention we deserve in thos timeof crisis. If you were actively being attacked by the entire right-wing of the United States, I'm sure you would do the same.
Please elaborate more on how DeSantis is actually acting out the tenets of critical race theory by mandating that CRT will not be taught in Florida schools? I want to know more about why isn’t there any place at for theories to be dismantled based on their abilities to divide people?
You really outdid your self on this discussion…powerful, deep, rational, and dare I say, persuasive!
woah... a healthy conversation about race and culture between black and white people where both sides freely expressed their own ideas and thoughts without being thrown insults and name-calling... never thought i'd see this again lol
jokes aside, props to everyone in this episode and thank you coleman for having these important discussions
I know! I almost got teary-eyed watching and listening to these people! Damn I wish I had friends like this! Or just acquaintances lol… 😢 except for my partner and a couple of family members, everyone around me seems to be a caricature of either the left or the right nowadays, scarcely Ny room for moderation, nuance, civil conversation around sensitive though most important topics. Everyone seems to be so radicalized and just so set, so entrenched in their beliefs and ways. It’s puzzling to me. It’s very cultish behavior, and a true lack of self-reflection, critical thinking, it’s weird!
@@Beatit19 i completely agree, most of my friends are pretty far gone left and any criticism or questioning their beliefs would be dismissed as "something a republican would say" or telling me to "get off the red pill tiktok". a recent example was the release of hogwarts legacy where i was the only one in the circle that bought the game and they didnt talk to me for like a week lol apparently buying a video game supports transphobia
@@meloncholicblissThe "religiosity" by the far left is tough to break. Either agree or you're evil
@@rogerward801 Crazy how gender can't be either or but views and thoughts are... 2023 man...
@@rogerward801alot of white conservatives are hateful.
This is amazing! Definitely need to make this panel a regular thing. So thoughtful and everyone seems to mesh well with one another!
Amazing show! I would absolutely love to see more of these round table conversations. This was an exceptional group of minds for a first go.
Thanks for sharing this conversation.
This was great Coleman - keep doing these panel discussions! 👍
Absolutely awesome discussion all around. More of this type of discussion is needed everywhere. Thanks for all of you!
A conversation worth listening to. Much appreciated
As someone who was born and raised in CA, I had to comment on on one aspect that struck me as a bit absurd was one particular statement that dealt with the nature of DeSantis's act as being fascist due to the fact that our current system is 1) pluralistic 2) promotes critical thinking and 3) promotes open discussion on political topics, That since these are the three 'characteristics' of our education, the law promoted by DeSantis is 'fascist'.
I grew up in California and went through the California school system, so perhaps its different in other states, I'll grant that to those who live in other states. I was apolitical (demawhat, repulicwho? levels of ignorance as my 13 year old me) but was politicized against the left by the left. After 9/11, had a basic US history teacher made arguments that we deserved the attack. As reprehensible as that may be its something you can argue for, but as a preteen this is shocking to say the least. I would ask a lot of questions to these statements to elaborate and or why did we deserve it (again I'm apolitical at this point in time), and the teacher would side step the questions since it moved the conversation from just them monologing to them having to explain in detail. I didn't have too many problems with the teacher outside of the fact that he didn't teach his core subject often, teacher was quite jovial and not intimidating whether they were teaching the material or not. What I found was that by simple asking questions, I generated tons a hate from the students, to where groups of students surrounding me and pushing me up against the wall followed by moral grandstanding and political statements. Having very little knowledge of politics, this prompted me to do a massive deep dive on political readings 10-20 hours a week, on forums, reading books, videos, etc. To the point that I knew more than most contractors and then they eventually left me alone. This was high school
College was another level of crazy, mandatory GE class English 100 where the teacher spent 1.5 months of the class going over far left ideas that would even make most leftists turn their heads, whereas the actual English part just came with writing essays every 2 weeks on literature we barely talked about in class. I never proposed what I advocated, and thus would just counter what the teacher was pushing, so this was easy on me and hard on the teacher as he was the one being proactive with the subjects and assertions. I would very frequently get low grades on the essay, of which we were allowed to rewrite for a better grade. I would turn in the same essay's back in unmodified and magically get 2 letter improvements. Also after classes, students would come up to me in private and would say they agree with me on X, Y, and Z but where terrified to express that in class, despite the class being dominated by political monologue.
In another scenario, I was in a biopsychology internship mainly dealing with measuring inhibition and crime (while this was done through with the school it was not a class and done in off hours). We ran no-go tests, tested mental processes, and compared criminal history of individuals that we included in our participation. One of my capstones was a thesis styled class, where I needed to pair with a professional (this was another teacher at the college) to write a graduating thesis on the subject, since my internship did that it worked out perfectly. The paper grading professor has zero knowledge on the subject, as I finished my graduating thesis, the capstone teacher wouldn't let it go through unless I added left wing jargon, when I brought this up to the actual internship lead teacher, I was just told that we just have to jump through these hoops. Since the grading professor wasn't actually knowable on the subject I was able to get away with not changing my paper and putting in a paragraph of pretty language that made them happy without changing the actual meat of the paper.
These are just a couple examples, and doesn't even cover the physical threats I've received in person by complete strangers, but the general idea is that it is extremely exhausting, and requires a very stubborn individual to resist the aggression on multiple fronts. I also graduated in the early 10's, and doesn't even cover how far the pendulum has moved since that time, with the huge DIE push in the curriculum being so open now. So going back to my base statement " That since these are the three 'characteristics' of our education, the law promoted by DeSantis is 'fascist'." When I think of the brown shirts, I think of individuals smashing windows, marking individuals as bad, and cooping institutions to direct them into their very specific world view until it takes over the whole system. So when you have someone (DeSantis) who says in caveman terms, no political narrative cult driven classrooms in our public schools. I fail to see how that is fascist and how the current system's isn't closer to that. I can't imagine if Bismark put in top down legislation that stopped the promotion of brown shirt ideology that would be equally labeled as fascist. I understand that watching an institution leave one's wing of dominance is rough, so I don't expect DIE advocates to be happy. Also considering its an institution dominated by Leftist, all conservatives need to do is simply advocate for neutral or no narrative within the institution and it benefits them, so its not like they aren't playing politics either. The general idea on my line of thinking is, as someone who was definitely not within the DIE narrative, it does not promote 1) pluralistic 2) promotes critical thinking and 3) promotes open discussion on political topics.
So while I am sympathetic to the idea of open discussion and the concerns brought up about limiting thought, there is zero effort to curtail the worst of your own side for 20+ years, to the point that I find DeSantis proposal attractive, as this is the only side willing to address the issue.
Love these conversations! Keep up the great work, brother! 👍🏼
We really need a better balance of liberal to conservative teachers.
And male/female ratio, as well.
how about just good balanced teachers?
Kmele Foster has been articulating his points so well here. Extraordinary speaker.
One of the panelists said (paraphrasing) "why can't we build a community where the school board and the parents get together to decide the curriculum?". News flash, that already exists, they're called school board meetings, and if you want to be honest the board meetings tend to be dumpster fires where no body budges until a few days later when it's entirely obvious that (usually) the school board was being unreasonable. But still, very little gets done. Look, I appreciate the concern that perhaps DeSantis is going overboard in FL when it comes to classroom policies, but as of now, it's ONLY DeSantis and Rufo and James Lindsay doing something. Nobody else is doing anything legislatively or politically with the same effect. Personally as well, I don't mind the overcorrection DeSantis is doing, as the woke don't need to be compromised with, they really need to be expunged from these positions.
So overcorrect the overcorrection?
@@cancandoit has DeSantis really “overcorrected” though? Not that he wouldn’t in the future, I believe he could; he’s got an authoritarian and petty, vengeful vein in him I quite dislike and distrust. I actually did not vote for him, I couldn’t find it in me to cast my vote for the FL governor election last year, I couldn’t. But, truly, how has he overcorrected, so far, in this specific topic of education? (I won’t even touch the abortion restrictions which I knew would happen, or the nonsensical proposals/upcoming bill for gun laws relaxation). On the topic of education: I agree with Phil, someone somewhere needs to do something! I truly hoped a seemingly “moderate, old school, no-nonsense”Democrat like Joe Biden would AT LEAST put a soft halt to the country moving in the woke/radical/post-modernist left direction it has been moving over the last few years; not even a young Barack Obama encouraged moving in that direction in his years. And yet Biden’s administration has doubled down, with the racial and race-baiting and identity division, with the gender identity nonsense, with the hyper sensitivity and offense over anything and everything, in ways I never thought possible. To say Im disappointed and now feel extremely naive and deceived, it’s an understatement. Someone needs to stand up to the madness; I believe we are resilient enough and moderate enough, the vast majority of the country, to deal with any overcorrection later, but the status quo is not an option.
I had a similar thought about school boards, although there are others who have been working on changing that by (successfully) supporting alternative candidates. But these are mostly people in the Rufo camp, and DeSantis has also lent support to that.
@Beatit19 Phil is the one who described it as "overboard" and "overcorrection" so I was responding to that.
And no I don't think he has done so, yet...and I don't think he will get to anyway. It's kind of silly to fix "overcorrection" with more overcorrection. If you do that while driving, you'll end up in a fatal crash.
Anyway, I don't really believe most of what we're seeing is a result of unintended consequences of "overcorrect ion." It's Marxist social engineering and all the negative "fall out" of gay rights, civil rights and women's that we're seeing tofsy was not only predictable but intentional..but that's another discussion.
@@cancandoit I see! Thanks for replying. I am also wary of “overcorrection”. Unfortunately, that is what extremist positions too often yield - the pendulum will swing extreme right to extreme left, and vice versa. I do not want us to go backwards. I would love to believe that most people move towards the center, to a “happysh” medium where we can at least recognize we need each other; that we cannot have an all “liberal” OR all “conservative” society, we’d surely fail. But unfortunately too often nowadays it just feels like so many amongst us are just fringe. That includes our politicians, who obviously just want to win at any cost.
Absolutely wonderful! Loved this panel, and I look forward to more like this.
A substantive conversation. Thank you. I'd appreciate having a similar discussion with Rufo included. I listened to his interview with Jordan Peterson prior to listening to this conversation and I don't think Rufo has given up on democracy but rather is trying to break open the educational bureaucracy in order that actual civic debate will be renewed.
There is an issue in so far the critical theorists and their subsequent off shoots do not play by the same rules. The idea that you can “balance “ it by presenting opposing views doesn’t exist in the critical pedagogical view. I completely understand the idea, but this presumes that the opposition believes in that liberal principle. They don’t. I’m skeptical of Desantis’ track, but critical pedagogy fundamentally rejects the whole foundation of any liberal order which is being echoed by this panel. IMO this issue needs to be approached in the sense that this is a type of quasi religious/spiritual worldview. Paulo Friere is the Sauron that forged this ring, he was a spiritual guru, not an educator.
I think the legislation may be ham fisted, but this shit has to stop. I think we can also improve our teaching of history by teaching about communism. Our education system has been thoroughly red washed.
Great points, I agree
During that part of the conversation I was nagged by the thought that the idea of presenting opposing views was unworkable in this situation. I think you've nailed it for me.
There IS that conundrum of getting the indiv teacher to leave his/her bias at the door when presenting material. Seemed the panelists admitted that's a real hindrance to making education better.
The entire project of critical pedagogy and critical theory more broadly is to “awaken critical consciousness” or “conscientize” someone. This process in the praxis of critical pedagogy is inherently spiritual in nature. It is akin to a Christian being “saved” and now has a world view that presupposes on faith what the Bible says. It’s a universal filter for everything that comes in. It also places on the “saved/conscientized” explicit duties of conscience. We explicitly do not on principle allow this in our public institutions.
The critical pedagogues say “ we just wanna teach history” , I call BS.
Agree, trying to “debate” the critical theorists is pointless . . I really don’t think Coleman and others in his group realize this. I honestly don’t see a good solution to this issue .
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I’m reading all these positive comments but thinking that the radical leftists do not engage. Look at their hero Kendi would not debate Coleman.
Mahalo, Colemn! This was such a healthy, engaging conversation on topics that continue to divide us. A hopeful start.
Conversations like this may well be the cure to what ails us. It's comforting to know that both "wokeness" and its opposition are on a spectrum populated by reasonable, insightful people like these.
Another excellent conversation! Please do more of these Coleman! Thanks for your good work!
Conversations like this give me hope for the future of humanity.
Already heard it as podcast from the RSS Feed - *really a great episode!*
Excellent nuanced respectful discussion, kinda rare these days but very appreciated. You are doing great work Coleman.
Beautiful discussion!
Wonderful conversation, guys, watchin from Israel I fairely engoyed it. thank you!
WE need to hear more of that kind of sensible and proper conversation.
Of course yoo fukking enjoyed it!
Doo yoo fink that wee R all stupid?
Great idea to have a round table discussion! Love, love, love, listening to intelligent, nuanced discussions about important issues.
Wonderful conversation. Rich in thought and learning. Thank you.
That was a GOOD round table . Coleman , let us please hear more of that . Thank you !
great conversation. love you all.
Smart bunch. I enjoyed the convo, thx
This was great thanks Coleman!
Thanks, Coleman. An impressive show and some of your input to the discussion is exceptional. For example, one's attachment to identity and the politics of identity.
As a conservative who teaches in a Christian school, not only does the curriculum (ABeka) teach on slavery, Jim Crowe and Civil Rights, but I love going a little more in depth in teaching the children how wrong and unbiblical those things were
As it should be
Do you teach them the Biblical arguments that were used to support slavery and racial discrimination?
@@Mr.Witness I teach them that those arguments are invalid as those who practiced chattel slavery in the Bible were to be put to death (Exodus 21:16; I Timothy 1:10). As far as discrimination based on racism the Bible is very much against it (Revelation 5:9; Colossians 3:11). Here's another good verse for you (I Timothy 1:7).
I find it funny when religious people criticize wokeness because they believe a whole ton of empirical claims that have really bad evidence a d strong counter evidence but dint care because they think their values require it - just like the woke - and won't give it honest scrutiny owing to the social and identity costs of doing so. Any religious person should fully understand the psychology of wokeness.
Indigenous history?
Really good thoughts and articulations. So powerful to stretch our thoughts and understandings. Good to know yourself but always challenge your beliefs
Awesome discussion, thank you all.
I'm a new listener on this channel, and just have to say that this was a needed breath of fresh air. All 4 of you are fantastic conversationalists and debaters, and really epitomized the concept that you can't have productive dialogue without mutual respect.
I love all of you right now and will definitely be listening to a lot more.
Very helpful discussion. Thanks.
Coleman. I really respect and admire your approach to blocking ppl that annoy or outright attack content creators. That takes an exceptional amount of strength and love. Strength and love. Thx.
This panel is fantastic. Cheers x 1000
Ruffo is not a fatalist a pessimist a racist or a fascist… rather he is a realist who rightly recognizes that the leftist long march through the institutions has succeeded and that the nation’s next generation is in grave danger of internalizing a world view that is fundamentally hostile to the American creed - (individuals not groups, character not color etc). He should be applauded for courageously rising to the moment and leveraging the assets he can muster to halt the corruption of the next generation and with it the nation state itself. Thank you Chris Ruffo! Coleman/panel, ask yourself how your preferred approach would work (community building/educational arbitration etc)… and then consider that the communitarian and considered world you pine for has already been lost. Wake up!
I agree. I like Coleman but this panel was completely untethered from school board reality.
Perfectly summed up
Ok. But he is wrong to claim all racial categories in law and policy are unconstitutional.
@@Eltopo1368completely untethered. They don’t seem to understand the monster that is the school board union. Besides, the time for debating these issues is long past - that should have happened a decade ago
Love these, please do more!
Incredible and important conversation. If only this would be mandated by every school district.
It comes across like nobody has engaged with James Lindsay and his work.
Lindsay was very much needed on this panel!
He's been on this podcast before
Great discussion. One thing that might come up more is calling people "white" and assuming there is anything in common culturally about being white. There is no such thing as White culture and if you are not racist it has not, until "wokeness" been an important aspect of who we are. There is no white music, food, mannerisms, etc. We identify more with our roots or regions: Italian American, Norwegian American, Southerner, New Yorker ----- the only thing that binds "white " people together is what they are not (not Black or not ethnically Asian) so unlike Black Americans there is nothing to give up if we are no longer known as White.
Thank you all very much.
You each embodied the ideas you profess to hold dear.
If only we all could speak with those with whom we disagree so respectfully, though of course in this group you each seemed to agree with most of one another's points.
You made some truly valuable points between you, though now we are all so cynical that I am embarrassed to say so, which is not good.
If only I were able to retain all of the points you all made for future "arguments."
Thank you again.
Thanks Coleman I like every thing kind of video you do. I realize your interests are wide ranging like most of us.
To Kmele Foster’s point about individuality, I have 10 kids born to me and the same woman who have raised them together. They have been raised in the same religious structure, family and as close to the same circumstances as a human can. There will be such a broad and varied outcome for all of my kids. Some will never marry. Some will have children and marry. Some will earn 5-10 times the income as another. Some will live long due to discipline of habit. Some will die young due to poor self care and concept. There is no way to get equality within a single family let alone a society. There is no way that the “culture” of our life will be able to explain the varied outcomes my children will have. Individuality is supreme, king, trumps all….
This was a wonderful discussion and I loved hearing such different points of view than I've been exposed to. Loved the format of a round table with a number of people as well who are bouncing ideas and philosophies around. The one thing I would love to hear is how would this group form policy to deal with both extremes of the 'woke' policies being taught at schools K-12 and beyond, and the anti-woke extreme of the DeSantis policies. I always believe that in order to replace something that doesn't work or is extreme that it has to form from the bottom up but it seems that in the case of public education which is part of the state it is still from the top down. To which I think an intervention from the top state governing body is warranted but not in a reactionary way but in a very thoughtful way instead. Or maybe there are other ways. I would love to see this panel in particular join again and talk about specifics. I have a feeling that all of you would have some great ideas.
This was awesome. Thank you.
It’s important to make efforts to seek discussions with people of opposing viewpoints. To do this is in a democracy is to be a patriot. I am a conservative Republican (I actually like DeSantis, if that’s allowed here), I have regular intentional conversations with friends who are Democrats, there is some discomfort of course, but life is not about my comfort (or theirs). These conversations keep me seeing the humanity in the other (-even though they’re wrong😂).
Great discussion! Wish I would of been in the room to bring an additional perspective as a father in Florida that did not initially support DeSantis and as a biracial man navigating this weird place called “race” in America
Always a pleasure to see Kmele!
wow! It's difficult to imagine a better group.
The pivotal factor that always gets left out of conversations about woke curriculum is the fact that teachers won’t teach things that we don’t believe in. If the teacher is woke, her class will be infused with critical praxis no matter what DeSantis does. If the teacher is not woke, they will gloss over anything woke in the official curriculum. Thanks for the great conversation!
It's not completely true.
People go where money is.
The government provides money to push an ideology.
Just look at the corporations.
Do you really think the evil Military Industrial Complex & Big Pharma & Nike love Black/Women/LGBTQ....?
Of course not.
In Nazi Germany the same people was helping Nazis.
In China/Germany/Russia/Qatar.... they do what Chinese.... governments tells them to do.
We still live in a predominantly White Cisheteronormative Christian country.
There is no way they are supporting this stuff.
There must be an explanation why Nike doesn't promote Christian values, but promotes LGBTQ.
Even the Black community is heavily religious!!
But we pretend that Nike cares, if 0.1% wouldn't buy shoes/sneakers.
Silli fantasist.
The feedback you asked for Coleman,
The panel format was terrific. A real chance to tease out ideas and nuances that have been entirely missing. More of this please!!
P.S. I mean missing from society and definitely mainstream media.
I enjoy...do more please.
I get you Kmele! I love your perspective.
Thanks for this Coleman! You’re audio is also improving although you & your speakers voices today had a somewhat tunnelish quality.
I really appreciate your content!
Fantastic discussion
Daaaaaaamn was this a GOOD conversation.
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This is the future of education that I vote for. If I had a teenager, I'd show them conversations like this and work to elaborate on them together. Im a bit with Kmele on democracy, but the choice to absorb and reflect on this type of information is my type of democracy!
LOVE Chloe...and I am so impressed with Kmele here. I've only ever seen him on the Megyn Kelly show with his podcast mates...where he doesn't talk much. Wow. I had no idea the depth of reasoning he's done...nor how wildly intelligent he is. Great panel!
I first saw him on Bill Maher show on HBO. He was my favorite guest I’ve seen there in a long time. Coleman was also incredible there.
You're really good at talking to groups of people. You're also really good at selecting people to talk to.
Thank you for this very thoughtful conversation. There's another complication that gets wrapped into the discussion of how standardized curriculum should be. A significant percentage of parents frequently move kids from school to school and sometimes from district to district. Kids are constantly go from living with Dad's on one side of a district to Mom on another or aunt Charlotte's house somewhere else. Our district responds by making all of the schools teach the same thing at the same time in the same course across the district. That both causes and solves problems. As long as parents keep moving kids within the school year, there won't be any easy solution to this question.
Interesting and thoughtful conversation.
Wow!
Ive never seen these other people on the panel before, I’ve got to say I the points Chloe makes. Very interesting conversation.
These are exactly the type of people that should be designing the curriculum for our children. I'm 65 and the history I was taught was pure propaganda , but I don't think the solution is to teach more propaganda. If taught well I really think kids can handle the complexity of these subjects.
Great conversation!
Terrific, insightful
Would love to see Kmele Foster debate Michael Malice! But seriously, great format and knowledgeable guests, and perhaps most importantly exemplifying how civilised and rich conversations/debates can be carried out. Carry on the good work!
I have known of Kmele and Coleman for some time, and respect their intellect and agree with many of their positions… I was not aware of Chloe and David until today. Here’s a term I don’t often use.. Impressed.😎
This was an awesome discussion thank you colman!!
Re Bernstein's last name: I'm pretty sure they pronounced it "shtein" (long I) in Europe and just changed it to "steen" in the US. And some Jews kept the old pronunciation.
God damn this was unbelievable
This is excellent
22:08 - nailed it, Coleman. That is the argument.
Great discussion! FYI, you should put a gate on those microphones so that only the speaker's microphone is active when they're speaking. This should reduce the reverb we're hearing from having all of the mics being on at all times.