Wonder Of U VS Tusk | Could The Infinite Rotation Beat Calamity?
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- METAs - Could Tusk act 4 and its infinite power beat wonder of u and its calamity? been thinking about this is fight for abit enjoy!
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The thing is that all versions of Tusk have to be aimed at the opponent, something that makes Johnny vulnerable. The moment Johnny even thinks of going after Wonder of U, Calamity will be triggered and all sorts of things may occur. It doesn't matter if you have the strongest one-hit attack if you don't have the chance to use it.
Not true, this is apparent as soon as Tusk Act 2, where Johnny can shoot at something entirely different and have the hole track his actual target.
@@cjup-dog8021But once you try to target WOU you get "struck" by Calamity, so even if it's just a thought it counts
@@cjup-dog8021 It still won't matter, since Calamity will start affecting Johnny even before the hole is created.
@@lisboah my point was not that Johnny would win or be immune to Calamity, I simply pointed out that Johnny doesn't have to aim.
@@cjup-dog8021Johnny's intent would still be to pursue or harm Toru/Wonder of U, which activates calamity, even thinking of attacking WoU/Toru activates the stand, so Johnny thinking of aiming a nail bullet with the intent to harm WoU/Toru, no matter what direction he aims, will activate calamity.
Tusk Act 4 - maxed out the physical attack stat
Wonder of U - uses cheat codes
Soft & Wet - goes into command prompt
Jodio's Villain - goes to the source code
Jodio - reconfigures the base system's mechanics
Dude... You cooked
Part 10 Villain: Assassins the developer of the system.
Part 10 JoJo: Hires a new developer.
Part 11 villian : uses eraser irl
Part 11 jojo : is the director
Part 12 villain: Cereal is a Soup!
Part 12 Jojo: what are you talking about?
😸😄
"Soft and Wet: Go Beyond is not the same as Tusk: Act 4"
Thank you, I truly needed this obvious information spelled out to me.
LMAO
@@METAsMETAs chimimiiii
I think you two are right ! Tusk Act 4 was built to counter D4C and Go Beyond to counter WoU and calamity. And even though Johnny don't have the biggedt chances to beat Tooru, I think it would be interesting to see if Josuke could beat Valentine (with and without Love Train). I also find pretty ironic the fact that Valentine is one of the few character that would be able to counter calamity and even beat Tooru, but that Johnny (who defeated Valentine) would not. Classic JoJo powerscaling if you ask me where what matters are circumstances more than the actual capabilities of a stand (at least most of the time.
The thing is with the protag and antag of all jojo parts have some sort of parallelism or antithesis to it:
Jonathan has fire, dio (case sensitive) has ice
Joseph necessarily was never alone, but the idea is the Sun vs the Earth (with the elements)
Jotaro and DIO (case sensitive) basically goes "we appear to be similar and strength and speed i hope this doesn't translate to other similarities"
Josuke 4 and Kira is basically the idea of preservation (or healing) vs destruction
Giorno normally has the ability to turn anything biological, but after GER, it's sort of clear that him and Diavolo have the same "denial of" ability: KC has denial of cause, GER has denial of effect
Part 6 has probably 2 versions of this: Stone Free's counteraction of C-Moon's inside out vs putting back together, and probably somewhere something Weather Report beating Made in Heaven kinda
Johnny's Tusk and Valentine's Dirty Deeds acts kinda parallels to the different notions of space, one for transport (Johnny) and one for parallel dimensions (Valentine)
S&W:GB feels like a hard counter to Wonder of U but the idea of antithetical powers is there:
Removal vs Infliction, it's like saying hit or miss since meeting Wonder is like a more absurd Final Destination where you're just marked or hit, while S&W removes or makes you miss your mark depending on what Josuke 8 will do
@@theolanderdilag3872it's true and makes a lot of sense from a narrative point of view, especially considering how important symbolism is in JoJo.
I still think infinite rotation could bypass calamity it’s just I don’t think Johnny would get the attack off. The concept of infinity breaks logic
D4c love train can't win it would be a stalemate love train is a field funny valentine has to stay in for the protection the second he or any part of him leaves it calamity will trigger and wonder of you only works as a defense he would never go on the attack
@@elvangulley3210 Wonder of U beats Love Train. Calamity doesn't always work in direct ways, it can attack people around you in order to impair you, like that time where calamity killed a guy outside the hospital Josuke was in, resulting in him getting blammed for the crims and being arrested.
The same would happen against D4C. Love Train would redirect Calamity to Lucy, killing her, thus, deactivating the ability.
Mentioning the association fallacy is so important, thank you. The whole “Tusk and Soft and Wet are just the same power” thing is idiotic. It’s like saying “The World and King Crimson are the same because they both use time”
not exactly, it sounds the same, time skipping and time stopping do not really sound identical
@@N0SK96 that’s my point
@@N0SK96 people tend to think the time erasure of king crimson is the same as the time stop because of diavolo moving freely while other ppl cant, just like dio does. i like to think of it as a bullet time with also being able to see what will happen next tbh.
Just a mention, but in the new asbr dlc for Wonder of U, tooru admits directly he feels threatened by the spin and his victory dialogue is saying he will leave johnny be cuz he is afraid he is vulnerable against him. I know it is technically not canon, but that game is really loyal to the roots of the manga. Nonetheless, interesting timing since this dlc dialogue was released like yesterday
wait he truly did say that?
@@furbreon2052Yeah but these games aren’t written by Araki. It’s written by fans like us
But it is interesting to note how certain abilities interact with certain things. Risotto’s invisibility lets him bypass most projectiles except for Narancia (bc plot), Avdol’s life detector (bc it tracks life/heat signature), and Mariah’s Bastet (bc magnetism)
So they do put some thought into characters and their interactions, at least more than expected
@@randomguy9988 It’s because Narancia’s ability isn’t vision based and also detects life.
That’s why it couldn’t see diavolo as diavolo was barely able to breath.
didn"t he use his abilty?@@EggEnjoyer
I wonder if hiding inside the wormhole of act 3 could protect Johnny from calamity. That could probably give him an advantage
Have you seen the single attack theory by Other Meanings? Johnny used Tusk to try to save his son, but Tusks ability doesn’t ever disappear when it is the golden rotation and you see Johnny on the horse. Essentially in that scene, Johnny was attacking the calamity on his child, but since the attack would attack infinitely it would fail to hit calamity. He instead was shot by his own bullet and thus he was killed even before the exchange finished. we see the bolder crush his head separately to the rock disease too. So if Tusk never disappears , it would enter the exchange and manipulate two unrelated parties to join to break the higashikata curse that affected Johnnys son in the past.
i would like to make an minor argument for act 4, WOU still takes the win though. in the flash back johnny did technically destroy the curse but only on his side of the family, because there are no mentions of george the 2nd, joseph, holy, or kira getting it, but having to die to do this gives WOU the win con.
WoU really is on a tier of its own
16:10 - 16:16
This amongst many other moments is super enjoyable attention to detail and appeal to comedy from the editor. I really appreciate that.
As for WOU beating Johnny I like the idea of Johnny becoming even more crippled.
He loses his arms as well as his legs
@@robertpaulson5095 Potato 🥔
I didn't think this was a matchup, I assume everyone knew how big this hyper one-sided stomp was but the idea of infinite rotation backfiring on Johnny Joestar is hilarious.
The infinite rotation would bypass and destroy wou if it went off, but it has to be aimed and shot and johnny would be dead well before it gets to that point
Yall are forgetting the part where Tusk can simply choose to disregard the fortune misdirection from Love Train by using INFINITE BRUTE FORCE, which DEFINITELY has applications for getting past Wonder of U's flow of calamity which is the SAME LOGIC powering Love Train.
yeah ngl I feel like the battle is more of "can Johnny even ride his horse long enough to get to Act 4?" Because Act 4 could probably just say "no" to Calamity.
With breaking through love train, you’re breaking through a single wall that misdirects.
With even HITTING WoU you have to pray you can do it before calmity affects you. As any action taken with the intent of harm causes it to activate. So I imagine Johnny moving his hand to aim Tusk act 4, or riding his horse which are two crucial steps, would be able to activate WoU and potentially kill him.
@@itsglitchy5423 the anti hacks ability fails to defeat hacks
Darn
@@purpleboye_ I mean most other hacks throughout the series it would beat. Just WoU is the ultimate hack ability.
People need to remmebr that the Spin is not an automatic win. Mamezuku Rai had Spin, but was killed.
Mamazuka didn't use his spin I think
I think i'm wrong for not recalling mamezuku not using spin, but its a factor of johnny being the more experienced/stronger spin user
He didn't "have" it he just knew about it existing
The goat posted!!!!! May we get a D4C vid sometime down the line?
Didn’t Johnny’s child lose to a curse or something, Johnny even tried using the holy corpse. WOU would scale, since he’s calamity, this was chapter 18 of jojolion. Also I commented this without watching the video so sorry if METAs already went over this. Oh jobber goes over it great! 😊
This video presents some interesting arguments however it is explicitly said in part 7 that "spin" is the phenomenon of something spinning, anything that spins has some form of spin. TA4 uses the golden ration to reach a form of infinite spin while Josuke used his own determination and the fact that his ability is actually spinning to reach an infinite spin. they are 2 very different ways but again spin is said in part 7 not to be an individualistic power but a natural phenomenon and the characters my access it in different ways but the outcome is still that spin. The source of go beyond is still spin cuz there is one constant variable called spin as suggested in part 7. This is further supported when in part 8 when the Plant Appraiser points out that because josuke's actual power is to spin, now he has a chance to win. He didn't need to know how the spin worked and how it was manifested, purely a form of spin being present would've been their win factor. This supports the fact said in part 7 by araki that spin is a constant and how you get it can be different but the source of why spin has so much power would also be constant. As said in part 7 spin gets it's strength from manipulating gravity. So I think TUSK can hurt wou much like how go beyond can, but much like how it was in part 8 it depends on the scenario because even in part 8 things had to play in very certain ways for josuke to be able to use go beyond on wou. So i think tusk could hurt wou but wou would always win not because TUSK couldn't do it but johnny himself would be the weak link that will be the decisive factor of the fight.
Nice timing, with wonder of U releasing today 😂
2:10- till JoJolands’ main villain comes around with their innate or broken last arc power-up being somehow more broken
“Get into JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure!” they said…
“It’s just about hot men and punchy ghosts” they said…
You two should discuss the reverse! Could S&W (with and without Go Beyond) could beat D4C (With and without Love Train)
Metas and Jobber has absolutely Cooked with this Matchup.
Johnny did remove the curse from HIS family. Notice how none of his descendants get the rock disease, but you would say Holly had the disease although she actually was a guinea pig for the rockakaka which is why she had something that was similar to the rock disease but was in reality very different
Johnny can theoretically just hit the nearby area (therefore not activating the calamity) and the spinhole will travel and attack WoU and kill Tooru. Its the same when Josuke was in the room with WoU, Johnny doesn't need to hit the stand directly.
Johnny also needs to truly have no intent to harm WoU in the slightest, so it would have to be a pure accident
@@KingOfFools784 yeah but it's JoJo so it's not impossible
@@KingOfFools784 hard to say actually, cuz... Josuke created bubbles in hospital for killing WOU and idk... Really just didn't thought about it?
@@KingOfFools784 I mean, even if the bubble didn't exist, he was still trying to destroy it. Calamity isn't perfect.
@@asdergold1 The way I see it is that calamity still acted on Josuke in the form of Ob la dee ob la daa but it didn't have the correlating intensity it should have had with both Josuke's normal shot and Go Beyond
i mean
If you read part 8
You already know the answer
the thing that i still believe until now is that with love train, you need infinite energy from infinite rotation that's made from golden rectangle. to pierce the infinite amounts of walls.
while with WoU, you need a rotation that also goes infinite but the spin itself needs to be sooooo thin it needs to reach zero to makes them be exist while not exists at the same time. that's why i'm very sure tusk act 4 and go beyond can't defeat each other's main villain
I had a fun idea recently;
Wonder of u is a passive stand in the story right now, activating its own ability independently of tooru. But how much worse would wonder of u be if it was a stand tooru would have to activate? Like, range is diminished by a lot, and it doesn’t even have an immediate instant kill. Tooru just has the power to kill anyone and make it look like an accident, but apart from that he’s just kind of a guy with a stand, right?
You mean Kira Yoshikage?
My one consideration is whether Calamity could affect Johnny if he is within the "infinitessimally small spin hole" of Tusk Act 3; since unlike infinity, the infinitessimal does not exist in reality (we have numbers like pi with an infinite number of decimals, but it's impossible to define the smallest number). I'm still not convinced any attacks could ever land on Toru or Wonder of U, but I think you can argue in favor of a stalemate.
Ohhh, I'm looking forward to WOU vs GER.
Loved the video as usual! However could you please credit the music artists and animation artists used in this video because unless i missed it they werent credited, things like the Wonder of U animation and the Go Beyond anime intro. This isnt meant to come off mean just as asking to give credit where creditis due please!
One thing is wrong. johnny was killed by corpse not by wonder of you and second he coult litteraly transfer the rock disease from his son to himself. so he was litteraly able to manipulate calamity. this feat is so ridiculous that wonder of you stands no chance
For me, Tooru is rock, Josuke is paper and Johnny is scissors.
What is kinda cool is that Wonder of You When fighting Johnny in ASBR he is the only character that makes him tense. He says stuff like that he better needs to avoid him.
johnny's nail bullet & gappy's bubble are two different thing, if we ask which is stronger TA4 obviously the strongest, its a literal infinite energy. gappys bubble simply counter & bypass calamity doesnt mean its stronger, just see when tooru got hit with it, its not as fatal TA4. and also, unlike love train where there's physical barrier it doesnt matter how strong it can't bypass it. one can argue "it might strong enough to beat WOU" ofc it can IF that shot hit him, who know maybe some random fly/mosquite gonna be in way to replace him🤣. and about love train, im not sure if gappys buble could break it like TA4 did, sure fv wouldn't notice it but gappys invisible bubble aren't strong enough that it could be easily redirected to poor people somewhere
i found it funny after realising johnny try to attack calamity with TA4, if simple walk could kill you imagine that he attack with that infinite amount of power, meaning he also got infinite amount of misfortune🤣
edit: if someone wondering "what is invisible bubble?", buddy just try with some string, try to spin it like rai mamezuku did, at first you can see through it but you can also see the trace of that string, try faster and that become perfect globe like josukes bubble, try faster (if you can) and (teorically) you can see through it again but this time you wouldn't see the trace again, its completely invisible. "but i can see it in the manga" ofc its just for effect, calamity wouldn't react since its detect josuke just standing there & pointing his finger even though he's actually shooting something.
Go Beyond is most likely not affected by time stop, as it exists outside the universe and outside of time, but I’m curious if that extends to it being immune to time skip as well
The idea of Diavolo moving through his fateless world of time skip to then just suddenly explode is hilarious
i mean go beyond is outside of logic so it should be immuned to timestop or literally anything thats logic related cause thats its thing
GB affected by timestop, cuz it exist in our world, else Paisley Park wasn't be able to find, reaim and "transport" GB to Tooru.
Nothing ever states or shows Go Beyond to be a homing attack.
TA4: It exists, it kills you
SWGB: It doesn’t exist, it kills you
TWOH: doesn't exist, can't kill you
Kars: Exists, (as of now) can't kill you
I love how many times they said "go beyond"
let’s go METAS ❤️❤️
Late to video but the the reason I like tusk so much is that he can switch between acts whenever he wants.
I feel like Tusk Act 3 would work in a similar way to go beyond but not exactly the same/ Act 3’s wormholes are visible even though technically the area it is warping through doesn’t exist anymore so that should force its way through the calamity. Since Go Beyond is invisible and also doesn’t exist itd probably just be harder for Johnny to hit since toru should see it coming but idk how much that’d help since it also tracks and can be shot from everywhere.
Also if Johnny is in the wormhole he should be unaffected by literally everything anyway.
Basically everyone sleeps on Tusk Act 3 lol.
It's op man I like how made in heaven can beat tusk act 4 because just how fast it is that what makes stand abilities so fun
I'm looking forward to playing Toru in All star battle R
I'm standing on business with Yuya against the online Tooru warriors
It’s fun to debate, but if you read part 8, you already know the answer😂😂😂
You talk about Wonder of U like it's an instant death situation, but Josuke took some damn long beating way before getting to Go Beyond
If someone set up a sentry gun and it ends up targeting Tooru, would it successfully kill him? Or would a raindrop destroy the sentry?
Or does the person who set up the sentry gun get killed?
Now i want Wonder of U vs G.E.R
The harder you pursue the harder calamity gets. You're activating a power that has infinite energy in it, you're instantly dying. But there's still a chance that bullet might hit wou because it will go through everything while you're dying. So the best tusk can go is draw or looses. Tusk can't win in any situation. Either draw or lose.
Calamity don't become worse with harder pursuing, if it was true, Rai couldn't have done grab then, also Josuke survived several attacks nearby WOU, so cap.
True enough. WoU can't resist or negate the Infinite Spin thing from Tusk Act 4 once it goes off. Jojo dies either way, but hey, Calamity thing is dead.
honestly, all depends on wich circonstences johnny meet WOU, if he just so happen to se him walking towards him while he is running on his hores he can just shoot him and hide in a wormhole while act 4 does the job for him, he have to be lucky tho wich is really a probleme considering how fate was towards him.
7:48 - Says the person who thinks Johnny didn't end the rock disease curse. (He ended it in his side of the family.)
But then died the same as the main family.
@@METAsMETAshe died through les feuilles tho
@@METAsMETAs Autumn leaves doesn't exist, huh? A random rock doesn't exist, huh? The future generations from his size not having rock disease doesn't exist, huh?
The Joestar’s never had the rock disease curse, the Higashikata’s did. You’re just wrong here dude, also there’s no need to be passive aggressively rude to METAs & Jobber by pulling a childish “Says the person who thinks-“ over their opinion. Just respectfully disagree then give your take
@@weltgeist2143 I’ve recently finished JoJolion, and imo I don’t think it’s Les Feuilles/Stand leaves. The leaves cause objects and people to slide around at fast speed, but when Johnny died, the rock fell on top of his head, it didn’t slide onto it. And even if it was the leaves, wouldn’t that just have been a Calamity anyways in general that killed Johnny?
Short answer: nope
Long Answer: nah rbo, if Johnny even thinks pf WoU, the calamity will turn on him. Besides, the only qthink that can kill WoU is Nothing, and thats exactly what SaW Go Beyond is
So, interesting one popped into my head recently, could the Kingdom of Science for Dr. Stone manage to beat Pucci and the Children of Dio?
Perfect
Yes
what song do you use for the intro? is it “Let it all out” by Oasis?
Could you make a video of
Tusk act 4 vs soft and wet go beyond pliz
This raises a different question for me. Does Tooru have cells? I mean, when he dies he just crumbles into gravel and dust like a rock, doesn't he? Can all his cells spin for infinite damage if he doesn't have cells?
Better question; Pocoloco VS Tooru? Hey Ya! guides beings to fortune and happiness, making it the opposite of Wonder of U. Can the power of Pocoloco's good luck charm and guidance get him through the Flow of Calamity long enough to land a winning blow?
Rock variations do have cells, they are just silicone based instead of carbon based, their biology is just totally different from ours in every way
@@HiAgainTheNameIsStillAyle Ahh, Tooru could get spun.
This actually happend and well...Johnny became a pancake.
Would WoU still work through time stop because it can be argued that timestop could get through love train,(Act 4 not moving all 5 seconds)? Also would Illuso(man in the mirror) be immune to WoU in the mirror world?
I haven't made it to the end yet, but I think tusk act 4 will win
Edit: I just thought about it a bit more. I think wonder of u wins
I mean
It already killed johnny in canon using his spin against him
Yeah, literally
Very likely Jojo dies before getting the attack off. In the low chance he does it's a mutual kill since he doesn't really have a way to survive Calamity for very long.
Mind you he doesn't need to aim.
Pls can you do what if jojo part 7 8 9 were in the main Universe
The only way I can think of tusk winning is if it could use the pocket dimension of 3 while being unstoppable like in act 4..
Pls wonder of u vs d4c love train next
9:25 TBF didn’t Jonathan have to learn hamon, then Joseph naturally had it.
I like to think of josukes bubbles like tan 90 it infinity goes to zero but never reaches it cuz it exists but it doesn't you know
6:54 Johnny did have the ability to ‘hit’ Wonder of You because as soon as Wonder of You was hit it immediately bashed Johnny’s head with a rock to break out of infinite rotation
Imma argue that the infinite rotation can do infinite damage but it only inflicts damage on something to force it into the place it was originally hit. Johnny hit Wonder of You when it was in his lineage so wonder of you was cursed to plague Johnny’s lineage.
Any thoughts on swapping the protagonists and antagonists? Like Josuke Soft and Wet Go Beyond vs D4C Love Train?
I haven’t seen many thoughts on the match up yet
LT will just reflect GB.
Valentine wins. GB isn't homing like Act 4's attack. Not sure why everybody and their mother thinks they have the exact same functions/attributes, speed and power.
@@-AD-Astra-0 doesn’t it ignore that tho? Go Beyond isn’t a typical bullet.
GB has horrendous aim w/o paisley park, so it could counter LT, but valentine could dodge the bubble(s), meanwhile TA4 has homing built in
I think everyone is forgetting the biggest issue with Tusk Act IV, which is that I requires a horse. WoU would probably ended.up killing the horse, Johnny, or both long before he could even mount it.
Johnny has Tusk Act 4 active before the arigato gyro scene tho
What's the matter, if WOU still can't stop even usual wormholes?
Oh btw wou can use others abilities like when he used jouskes bubbles to attack mamezuki
METAs if you see this comment i would say his AP level is Planetary and for good reason because Wonder Of U is Calamity itself and calamity is around the whole planet earth. Which means that Wonder Of U is basically the earth aka the planet and would be able to roam around the earth (when tooru dies) if choosing to and could kill anyone who stands(no pun intended) in his way so therefore his AP level in my opinion is Planetary Level.
WOU's not Calamity itself. Stated in the 108th chapter of JoJolion that WOU was an ability that allowed Tooru use Calamity in his purposes.
I love how Tusk act 4 vs Soft and Wet go beyond could be define as the ultimate titty twister vs the void bubble proyectile
tusk act 4 is my favorite stand
Cool, thanks guys... Now, HOW DO I USE HAMON?
I love your content but i dont want spoilers so im going to just comment.
"What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?"
Reading the fight, it seemed to me like Wonder of U’s power isn’t actually all that absolute. It seemed like if you can avoid or tank the damage, it doesn’t have much in the way of actually defending itself from attacks. By that metric, I could see any stand with a sufficiently powerful ranged attack being capable of defeating it. Perhaps not likely to, but capable of it.
Calamity will take every means to stop the pursuer. Some attacks may be unavoidable or just instant death based on the threat/intent of the pursuer
I always wonder where is the intro song from?
Could a smart okuyasu and josuke combo beat wonder of you? Considering he has the ability to pull his opponent towards him and josuke heals okuyasu whenever something hits him
I dont think so, i mean Wonder of U can just dissappear
Besides, remember that The Hand is a pretty slow stand, and nothing is faster than the calamity
@@frank8917 WOU can't disappear. He can create illusions of himself to bait pursuing, but in hospital, he just didn't disappear even when Tooru got hit.
NO IT COULD NOT, we do not need a 20 minute video for this at all.
Can tuck act 4 kill/hurt Wonder of u I don't know but the reason why I think it can is because infinite does weird things when you put it in reality like the hiberts infinite hotel it break down logic and reason doing something impossible by having two infinite in one that's why I think it can because Wonder of u can't be hurt by things that are logic only things that are not logical Like go beyond but infinite isn't logical it's just not possible for us to understand.
Wonder of U vs takba from jjk
What if Johnny can make his nails infinitely thin so they don’t exist so he can use go beyond also ? Perhaps mamezuku could show him the infinitely thin line grain on his nails
Johnny's wormholes already mini-Go-Beyonds.
If you think that the single attack theory is true, then tusk *did* beat Wonder of U (even if it wasn't in a direct way, but the shortest route is a detour anyway)
Act 3 ability counters WoU. Plus Johnny is extremely durable
considering tusk has alreaty beaten a defensive high level fate manipulation based ability then i dont see why it wouldnt see why it wouldnt work on another.
if they were to fight johnny would shoot an infinite bullet, the air current moves it and he gets slammed by his own infinity.
Pillar men vs Homunculi
How would wonder of u do against notorious big
Tusk already lost to Wonder of U. Johnny died because he shot Tusk at the curse and it killed him because of Calamity.
Yeah but he technically wasn’t fighting the stand itself he got killed by calamity yes but he didn’t even know it was a stand or that he was fighting anything he was just trying to save his family from a curse
Johnny couldnt even stand how could he pursue the head doctor?
Question jobin's mom did something to get close to tooru and didnt trigger calamity(well until she decided to attack and get a piece of iron in her gut) couldnt johnny do the same
Can't johnny hide in that infinite spin space?
early gang fr
Wouldn't Johnny win though? Because doesn't the shot he takes against either Tooru or WOU not affect the calamity, like what if he had his horse run perpendicular to Tooru?
Now I am curious how GER would interact with Wonder of U and Soft and Wet Go Beyond.
He'll RTZ both of them, but now i'll meet alot of cap, cuz Jobber with META's today, who unironically think, that Diavolo disabling perception of time and GER is pretty weak.
@@-AD-Astra-0 considering Go Beyond's bubble doesn't exist and Wonder of U isn't taking action against Giorno, I don't see how he could RTZ either of them. One is literally standing there doing nothing, and the environment assaults you, the other is an invisible bubble that doesn't exist by any normal means and can attack literal concepts, and one requirement for RTZ is an action or will, which is something lacked by Wonder of U since the calamities caused by pursuing it is a passive ability of the Stand, with no will or action from the Stand causing it, it is the environment around him that has become a threat, and inanimate objects lack a will and in most circumstances cannot perform an action. The other question is how it would interact with an attack that conventionally doesn't exist and can't even be seen. Would it still trigger RTZ or not. It is less of GER being weak and more what has been explained of how it's ability works against an ability that is passive and turns the environment against you and an attack that doesn't exist by conventional means. Honestly, it is an interesting question when you get deeper into it.
@@grandwarriorwaluigi1284 Simple: GER also has passive ability, but RTZ happens cuz of GER, it HIS ability, which happens after opponent's actions. Get it? I mean, it's not just environment attacks you, all Calamities - the consequences of activation WOU's ability. He can to not activate it, how it was with Taoka(Journalist with pimps). So why it can't be RTZed in that case?
@@-AD-Astra-0 does the rain, leaves, or a stop sign have a will to revert to zero? They aren't taking action against GER or Giorno,that is the biggest question. Can it revert something to zero that lacks a will and the ability to take action against it without Wonder of U's input. The calamities aren't controlled by it, they just occur as a result of pursuing it, the Stand User, or the other guy that is tied to it. If it were an animal, then yeah I can see it being returned to zero, but it most likely wouldn't affect Wonder of U since the calamities occur on their own. If the calamity comes from a living thing, then yes that thing can definitely be reverted, but can it revert inanimate objects is the question. That also implies Giorno goes into this fight with knowledge of how it works, and you would have to give the same concession to Wonder of U.
@@grandwarriorwaluigi1284 Yes, GER will revert rain and leaves, cuz they were affected by WOU and if it not WOU's will, but still action, which can be reverted.
Has anyone noticed that Star Platinum Part 6's stats at the end of the anime are exactly the same while in the manga they are weak. Does this mean that the full potential of Jotaro's stand remains the same with a bonus 5 second time stop or is this some kind of adaptation error. I mean I didn't see any difference between Star Platinum at the end of Part 6 and those from part 3, 4 or the beginning of 6 the only difference I saw was the time stop seconds
Jotaro didn't train his time stop during the time skips. Probably because he had PTSDio or something.
You can tell he was rusty already in Part 4, let alone Part 6.
There was literally nothing stopping Jotaro from raising his timer from 5 seconds, people just assumed for no reason that that was the case just because Dio got a power surge that got him to 10 seconds and because Vampire. That was never the case, just more fanon nonsense.
@@asdergold1 1.) Ok, but I don't understand, is this a mistake in the adaptation that the statistics of his stand at the end of Part 6 are the same as those from the beginning of the part. While in the manga his stamina is E and the development potential that was completed became C. 2.)And I also know he didn't train but it's just weird how a 2 second suspension became 5 seconds after he got the disks back
Well Toru said highway star and tusk could cause him trouble in all star battle r
Becouse of annoyance wou has better things to do
cause they're just annoying in general, not that it would be much of a threat to them, they have better things to do then dealing with some stand that never stops trying to persur it
Tusk could easily kill it. The problem is surviving it.
It's not the mosy durable thing ever, and Valentine can attest to the Spin's homing and penetration hax.
I think Kira could beat Tooru, at the very least. His abilities are not suited for pursuit and placing a bomb on something Tooru wants is something he could do
Tusk IV was affected by the power passively with Tooru likely being barely aware of its existence let alone force him into confrontation like Gappy would later do
Did you guys forget Johnny was literally killed by calamity ?
And? Rissoto was killed by bullets, so Mista > Risotto?
@@-AD-Astra-0 Well one of them is dead and other isnt, pretty cut and dry in both cases
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