Yes he is with his "prophecys" "revelations " to his faithful. Sadly he is still allowed contact with his "wives " and some of daughters. GUIP has done videos on it
@@mienafriggstad3360 I don’t understand this, I know there was a move to decriminalise polygamy in Utah a few years back but his marriages at the time were still illegal, Why in the heck is he allowed visitation from multiple wives ? The 1 wife able to provide legal documentation fine, but others. Knowing he’s an abusive manipulative cult leader. This should be happening .
Imagine being 17, having 2-3 children, and having to go into foster care as a "child" yourself to get some measure of safety from your uncle/father/husband... SPINES OF STEEL in these young women! Holding out Help, etc. are such blessings.
One of the most important episodes youve ever produced. This information needs to be spread wide and far. DeStigmatize the truth! Support brave honest women who refuse to continue making these mistake. Justice is in making the lives safe for themselves and their children.
Their interview with the CPS worker who was there is one of the most interesting and insightful things I’ve watched (and rewatched) in the last few years. It made me realize how much we need to include CPS in our conception of who first responders are, and give them the appreciation and respect they deserve.
there are many teams working internationally. Research, advising etc. goes on for years most of the time so the Frontline CPS,law enforcement etc. can help with compassion. The general public has no idea the commitment silent angels put in. Times change,policies change, laws for better or worse change. Just always and forever remember in your mind,body and spirit...do no harm. If you know someone is in harm....act!!! Even if it is to alert someone else who can put wheels in motion. love and blessings 😊
I've posted the same comment every year, on the anniversary of getting kicked out of the Jehovah's witnesses. People who grow up in colts are taught that outsiders hate them and are evil. Just be nice to them, and show them that they were wrong.
Yes! I agree with Sam! Uncovering and exposing the truth about this cult is critically important! You're all saving lives! I'm sure there are MANY survivors who would agree! 🥰
Thank you for the great care you take to discuss very sensitive issues on your channel... and many wonderful guests like these two compassionate people. ❤
I would love to see you interview Elizabeth R Burchard. She wrote a book called The Cult Next Door. She got involved in a cult started by the therapist she was seeing. Love your channel! Congratulations on your adorable baby!
We went and tried every baby carrier in the aisle to see what our babies liked best. The sling worked well for us (the one with two rings and a padded piece). We kept one in each vehicle and one sized for each of us at home. I also made myself a nursing pillow (the big C ones) that I added a strap to so I could get up from the computer while holding the pillow and baby with one arm because the pillow would stay up.
My daughter was only happy when she was outside as an infant. Everyone thought she was the sweetest thing because she'd never cry, not even on flights. The second she got home though she was a different baby.
Thanks for inviting Sam and Melissa back on! I follow their channel too. 😊 I love the turquoise C2C shirt, Shelise! So happy and colorful! I just ordered one! Blessings to all of you! 🥰
I well remember the trouble the FLDS Church in Bountiful, BC caused our Canadian government. Our sense of religious freedom is less formed than it should be, so the tensions between those freedoms, particularly polygamy, and the law appeared to be unsolvable. They couldn't make charges stick. That is, until y'all requested extraditions for sex trafficking... Then the solution was obvious for our authorities. So thanks for that!!!
I lived in Page, Arizona, years ago. We knew about Colorado City. The men actually built half of our house. Last week I was in Cedar City and saw women and girls at the Walmart. I just wanted to go tell them, "You are in a cult." But I know that won't help. I just have compassion for them. I wish I could do something. Keep sharing the truth. I think that is the right thing to do and will help some people.
Thank you Sam and Melissa! I’m always happy to see you guys pop up on my CZcams feed 🤗 Thank you as well for talking about the really difficult stuff, especially Sam because he still has family in the FLDS. I can’t imagine how hard it would be to worry about them, knowing what kinds of awful things are still going on there. I always hope for you that you’ll hear from them because they’re escaping and want to contact you 🙏💖
The place in South Dakota ended up being in the tiny town where my mom taught school before I was born in the 1960s about 45 minutes from where I live now. My family owns land nearby & were NOT happy about the compound. Lyle Jeffs was arrested there & authorities were constantly attempting to do wellness checks on the kids. Not sure if it’s still there, because I don’t get out that way anymore.
Thanks for bringing these topics to light, I literally gaspes a few times hearing about what's been going on in the FLDS community. It's scarier than horror movies, and so shocking that it's real life for so many people.
I've dealt with the FLDS on an almost daily basis most of my life here in southern Utah, whether it be at work or they're my neighbors, etc. I try to be so nice to show them that I'm not out to hurt them but I worry that I'm almost too nice. Like maybe they think I'm faking it but I just can't help myself. My heart hurts for them even more now because I hadn't heard about the handshake rule. I can't wrap my head around not being able to hug your child.
I fully understand why Sam says the investigation surrounding the children in particular was mishandled but man, I have so much sympathy for the army of social workers it must have taken to interview and place hundreds of children. To not only have to convince these traumatized kids they can talk to you, they can trust you, but then scramble to find placements for SO many! That had to be such a stressful undertaking that required multiple agencies and organizations working together. While it's probably safe to assume a social worker's education/training includes extensive knowledge of handling traumatized kids, somehow I doubt it includes specifically how to approach handling HUNDREDS in one case. I don't know for sure of course, I'm not a social worker myself. It's just such an unusual situation though I just don't see any textbook or guidelines or protocols giving directions to these people. I'm sure they managed the best they could given the circumstances and resources available to them.
I've always wondered what his plan was with all the very young children he brought to Zion. I'm sure some of them he planned to make his wives, but overall I can only guess he wanted even more control over them by isolating them from the outside world even more than his other followers.
The children were kidnapped and taken to Zion illegally in the first place. What is that woman even thinking trying to defend this horrific situation. It’s not comparable to an HOA. OMG. Really. She needs more reprogramming. She is not helpful.
I have to tell you that I love you so much! Your channel highlights the interests that i have, and i love your way to express the events that i am interested in. Thank you so much and know that you have a fan in England who has a huge interest in your subjects! Thank you so much!!
I mean this question with no disrespect but as Jeff’s got more and more twisted “revelations” how did he not just lose all of his followers? How can “God” go from wanting everyone to love and procreate (even young children) to shaking hands and not even being allowed to hug a child and people just accept this as “revelation”. Is it fear and shame that their whole life has been a lie or do they really believe?
You completely isolate people, tell them external information and especially people who leave are evil and don't give them any education or critical thought. You can get people to believe anything
It's also taught in Mormonism that following the prophet is more important than following the scriptures. The prophet is living and can adapt to the current times. So if you didn't, you were seen as unfaithful. And for the FLDS that meant they would take your kids, take your house, take your documents, and kick you out to fend for yourself
a form of Stockholm Syndrome. The negotiator for the Patty Hurst kidnapping case, proffesor Marget Singer (not Marget Sanger) developed the term. She was quite the gal to work with 😊
Been a while since the last Latter Day Saints video! Are you interviewing anyone from the Community of Christ as well? The formerly named RLDS??? I wonder if they are as well demanding and cultic on the deep inside.
Just remember 😂in these types of churches girls arent really children. They are young women once they start walking and talking. They are adults once they start menses. This is the logic that allows young women to be married off as young as 10. They are adults.
Dont say not all the kids there were abused bc thats 100% impossible. Everyone there got abused and the adults became abusers. Taking the kids away from bad families is always good. Idc abt the persecution complex the parents will have from that.
YFZ ranch was NOT the hunting grounds. It was a completely separate property. They did raise some of the young herd there because they were very expensive. This is why only people who have first hand knowledge should be doing interviews and keep to what you know first hand (which is plenty and just as bad)
He is still abusing women and children from jail! He should not be allowed outside contact.
I believe the fear is that his followers will go the way of Jonestown if they can't follow their "prophet".
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What gets me is the adults who choose to believe in him
Yes he is with his "prophecys" "revelations " to his faithful. Sadly he is still allowed contact with his "wives " and some of daughters. GUIP has done videos on it
@@mienafriggstad3360 I don’t understand this, I know there was a move to decriminalise polygamy in Utah a few years back but his marriages at the time were still illegal, Why in the heck is he allowed visitation from multiple wives ? The 1 wife able to provide legal documentation fine, but others. Knowing he’s an abusive manipulative cult leader. This should be happening .
Imagine being 17, having 2-3 children, and having to go into foster care as a "child" yourself to get some measure of safety from your uncle/father/husband... SPINES OF STEEL in these young women! Holding out Help, etc. are such blessings.
Break the silence. Break the cycle.
Omg the things inflicted on women and children in the name of religion is absolutely horrific.
We love Sam & Melissa! I watch every single one of their videos.
One of the most important episodes youve ever produced. This information needs to be spread wide and far. DeStigmatize the truth! Support brave honest women who refuse to continue making these mistake. Justice is in making the lives safe for themselves and their children.
Their interview with the CPS worker who was there is one of the most interesting and insightful things I’ve watched (and rewatched) in the last few years. It made me realize how much we need to include CPS in our conception of who first responders are, and give them the appreciation and respect they deserve.
there are many teams working internationally. Research, advising etc. goes on for years most of the time so the Frontline CPS,law enforcement etc. can help with compassion. The general public has no idea the commitment silent angels put in. Times change,policies change, laws for better or worse change. Just always and forever remember in your mind,body and spirit...do no harm. If you know someone is in harm....act!!! Even if it is to alert someone else who can put wheels in motion. love and blessings 😊
I've posted the same comment every year, on the anniversary of getting kicked out of the Jehovah's witnesses. People who grow up in colts are taught that outsiders hate them and are evil. Just be nice to them, and show them that they were wrong.
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Yes! I agree with Sam! Uncovering and exposing the truth about this cult is critically important! You're all saving lives! I'm sure there are MANY survivors who would agree! 🥰
Thank you for the great care you take to discuss very sensitive issues on your channel... and many wonderful guests like these two compassionate people. ❤
I would love to see you interview Elizabeth R Burchard. She wrote a book called The Cult Next Door. She got involved in a cult started by the therapist she was seeing. Love your channel! Congratulations on your adorable baby!
I will check it out. Thanks!
We went and tried every baby carrier in the aisle to see what our babies liked best. The sling worked well for us (the one with two rings and a padded piece). We kept one in each vehicle and one sized for each of us at home. I also made myself a nursing pillow (the big C ones) that I added a strap to so I could get up from the computer while holding the pillow and baby with one arm because the pillow would stay up.
Yes! We bought so many different carriers. She tolerates them for 30 mins to an hour at a time.
The “my breast friend” pillow is amazing. It’s better than a boppy because it straps on!
My daughter was only happy when she was outside as an infant. Everyone thought she was the sweetest thing because she'd never cry, not even on flights. The second she got home though she was a different baby.
Thanks for inviting Sam and Melissa back on! I follow their channel too. 😊 I love the turquoise C2C shirt, Shelise! So happy and colorful! I just ordered one! Blessings to all of you! 🥰
Yay! Thank you!
@@CultstoConsciousness You're welcome! 🥰
I well remember the trouble the FLDS Church in Bountiful, BC caused our Canadian government. Our sense of religious freedom is less formed than it should be, so the tensions between those freedoms, particularly polygamy, and the law appeared to be unsolvable. They couldn't make charges stick. That is, until y'all requested extraditions for sex trafficking... Then the solution was obvious for our authorities. So thanks for that!!!
remember Hanna? 😊 she got her toe in the door. not a hard thing when dealing with sociopathic/narcissistic 'leaders'. 😊
Part of it is political correctness as well which runs rampant here 🇨🇦😵💫
Great interview and topic. I hope the mothers that have missing children get them back home soon.
I lived in Page, Arizona, years ago. We knew about Colorado City. The men actually built half of our house. Last week I was in Cedar City and saw women and girls at the Walmart. I just wanted to go tell them, "You are in a cult." But I know that won't help. I just have compassion for them. I wish I could do something. Keep sharing the truth. I think that is the right thing to do and will help some people.
Thank you Sam and Melissa! I’m always happy to see you guys pop up on my CZcams feed 🤗
Thank you as well for talking about the really difficult stuff, especially Sam because he still has family in the FLDS. I can’t imagine how hard it would be to worry about them, knowing what kinds of awful things are still going on there. I always hope for you that you’ll hear from them because they’re escaping and want to contact you 🙏💖
Thanks for the teaser!!!
I would love to see Ammon Jeff’s on the podcast as well!
Liked. Shared. Commented. Up the algorithm!! I follow both channels.
When we know better we do better ❤
This needs to be merch! Please Shelise 🩷
Love every time your 2 channels get together!! More collaborations please!!
Thanks for the feedback!
Thank you for continuing to give survivors a platform ❤to
Great interview! Love all of you! 3:12
The place in South Dakota ended up being in the tiny town where my mom taught school before I was born in the 1960s about 45 minutes from where I live now. My family owns land nearby & were NOT happy about the compound. Lyle Jeffs was arrested there & authorities were constantly attempting to do wellness checks on the kids. Not sure if it’s still there, because I don’t get out that way anymore.
I spent 18 years in San Angelo, next town over from YFZ. Strange to hear Eldorado pronounced “properly”.
Keep up the great interviews thanks so much!
Thanks for bringing these topics to light, I literally gaspes a few times hearing about what's been going on in the FLDS community. It's scarier than horror movies, and so shocking that it's real life for so many people.
I've dealt with the FLDS on an almost daily basis most of my life here in southern Utah, whether it be at work or they're my neighbors, etc. I try to be so nice to show them that I'm not out to hurt them but I worry that I'm almost too nice. Like maybe they think I'm faking it but I just can't help myself. My heart hurts for them even more now because I hadn't heard about the handshake rule. I can't wrap my head around not being able to hug your child.
Thank you!
I fully understand why Sam says the investigation surrounding the children in particular was mishandled but man, I have so much sympathy for the army of social workers it must have taken to interview and place hundreds of children. To not only have to convince these traumatized kids they can talk to you, they can trust you, but then scramble to find placements for SO many! That had to be such a stressful undertaking that required multiple agencies and organizations working together. While it's probably safe to assume a social worker's education/training includes extensive knowledge of handling traumatized kids, somehow I doubt it includes specifically how to approach handling HUNDREDS in one case. I don't know for sure of course, I'm not a social worker myself. It's just such an unusual situation though I just don't see any textbook or guidelines or protocols giving directions to these people. I'm sure they managed the best they could given the circumstances and resources available to them.
ergo the eternal problems. between 'church" and state/law. 😢
Love you all! Sam and Melissa, always my favorites!❤️
Sorry I missed the live 👍👍 I have been a sub of GUIP for over a year and seen almost every interview.
GREAT channel!! GREAT video!!
Thanks so much!
The women and children were first takes to the coliseum in San Angelo , then they were moved to Ft Concho, a frontier fort that has been preserved.
Love Sam and Melissa! 💕
The seed bearer thing is so disgustingly creepy 🤦🏼♀️
Not to take away from the evils Warren did and is still having people do, but the “seed bearer” story is false.
I've always wondered what his plan was with all the very young children he brought to Zion. I'm sure some of them he planned to make his wives, but overall I can only guess he wanted even more control over them by isolating them from the outside world even more than his other followers.
30:26 It breaks my heart as a childfree person to hear that spouses can't hug eachother, and that parents can't hug their kids. 😭
Have either of your channels tried to interview Brent Jeffs?
What I want to know is, how are inmates allowing him to control the phone? He should be paste as a Sex Offender inside.
I believe he has people visiting him in person. Unless they took away visitors film rights. Not sure
I am sick about them taking the children
You look absolutely beautiful, Chalice!
( Sorry if I did not spell her name right)
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Just love Sam and Melissa ❤❤
This is an informative video but increasingly difficult for me to stay on due to the mic issue
Sorry to hear that! We are releasing our interview with Ammon himself in a few days 😁
@@CultstoConsciousness Great thanks, I’ll be on the lookout for it. (I know it’s not your fault about the mic situation. Was just a bummer)
The children were kidnapped and taken to Zion illegally in the first place. What is that woman even thinking trying to defend this horrific situation. It’s not comparable to an HOA. OMG. Really. She needs more reprogramming. She is not helpful.
I have to tell you that I love you so much! Your channel highlights the interests that i have, and i love your way to express the events that i am interested in. Thank you so much and know that you have a fan in England who has a huge interest in your subjects!
Thank you so much!!
I mean this question with no disrespect but as Jeff’s got more and more twisted “revelations” how did he not just lose all of his followers? How can “God” go from wanting everyone to love and procreate (even young children) to shaking hands and not even being allowed to hug a child and people just accept this as “revelation”. Is it fear and shame that their whole life has been a lie or do they really believe?
brain washing
You completely isolate people, tell them external information and especially people who leave are evil and don't give them any education or critical thought. You can get people to believe anything
It's also taught in Mormonism that following the prophet is more important than following the scriptures. The prophet is living and can adapt to the current times. So if you didn't, you were seen as unfaithful. And for the FLDS that meant they would take your kids, take your house, take your documents, and kick you out to fend for yourself
@@byereality7492 like Jeebus magically saying I guess you can let black men have the priesthood when they go sued
a form of Stockholm Syndrome. The negotiator for the Patty Hurst kidnapping case, proffesor Marget Singer (not Marget Sanger) developed the term. She was quite the gal to work with 😊
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I'm really digging the bad audio, it feels like you're bleeping out profanity. I'm imagining I'm listening to a cuss-laden tirade.
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Been a while since the last Latter Day Saints video! Are you interviewing anyone from the Community of Christ as well? The formerly named RLDS??? I wonder if they are as well demanding and cultic on the deep inside.
I think they are super progressive. At least that’s what I’ve heard.
Just remember 😂in these types of churches girls arent really children. They are young women once they start walking and talking. They are adults once they start menses. This is the logic that allows young women to be married off as young as 10. They are adults.
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Get some rest . A full cup can help fill even more cups ! ❤
Relay that to my baby please 😁🙏
@@CultstoConsciousness haha ! This too will pass lol
Dont say not all the kids there were abused bc thats 100% impossible. Everyone there got abused and the adults became abusers. Taking the kids away from bad families is always good. Idc abt the persecution complex the parents will have from that.
Yes no one is speaking up for the children. They all got abused for sure and all adults there either abused them directly or enabled the abuse.
Watching replay. Audio and lips are not in-sink. Kinda humorous. Kinda annoying. More than funny. 😂 Just a FYI. 🙃🙂
YFZ ranch was NOT the hunting grounds. It was a completely separate property. They did raise some of the young herd there because they were very expensive. This is why only people who have first hand knowledge should be doing interviews and keep to what you know first hand (which is plenty and just as bad)
Break the silence. Break the cycle.