HARD PADEL RACKET vs SOFT PADEL RACKET *5 DIFFERENCES* - the4Set
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- čas přidán 1. 02. 2023
- Hard padel rackets are different to soft padel rackets so today I’m gonna try to explain the 5 main differences between those two kind of Padel rackets: Hard vs Soft. Which one you preffer?
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Great explanation. You're right a lot of people use those terms losely and it makes conversations akwards sometimes. One thing i would add is I prefer the word precision to "control". control can be confused with tactical way of playing, precision is about accuracy with your shot placements.
Luis!! Thanks a lot man! And yes, I'm gonna try to use more often Precision instead of control 😁
Thanks man! So many people are confused about these concepts. Thank you for clearing them out!
Michiel! Thanks for your kind words man 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Keep doing ur videos i love them and i love you!!! You are the best on explaining and best videos ! ♥️🔥
Wow, thanksssss a lot!!!!
One of the best videos on the topic.
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 thanks a lot!!
Great explanation! As I tried more rackets, it was really surprising to me how much variation there is in the feel, even for rackets that have similar specs, and how much a racket can improve or bring down my game. I wish there was an easier way to try a bunch of rackets to find the best fit.
I always thought it would be awesome to do a pro tournament where all the players had to use the same €70 racket 😃
Hahahaha thanks a lot Nick!!!! And actually that is a really good idea! Like F1 with similar cars.. 🤣
I really appreciate you making this content in English. This was very helpfull, thank you Pablo!
Glenn! Thanks to you man! It was not an easy topic to explain but I think it’s necessary 🤣😬
I finally understood what Salida de bola is! Thank you!
Vamosss!! Let me know any doubt!!
No sabia que tenías el canal también en inglés, muy top la verdad. Expandiendo el pádel a todo el mundo💪
Jajajaja lo estoy intentando! No es fácil pero la pasión puede por encima de cualquier otra cosa 🔥
Great explanation. I am a old tennis and squash player and have just started Padel. have used the Starvie Metheora Dual and I found my game to be advancing very fast but I find the sweet spot too close to the handle. So after looking at your other videos (which I really find informative) I am looking at choosing one of three other rackets and I would like your opinion.
I am thinking of the
1. Nox AT10 GENIUS 18K by Agustín Tapia or
2. Starvie Tritón Pro 2.0 or
3. Starvie Tritón Ultra Speed Soft 2023
Which one do you think will be a good switch for me with my background that I explained above.
Great video as always. Can you do a comparison on head heavy vs centre sweet spot and compare some rackets? Also another video on racket weight would be great
Count with it!! Good idea 🔥🔥🔥
Great explanation, thanks. Do you know if the Nox ML shotgun is 2023 is too hard?
amazing video, good info here. thanks
Thanks a lot!!
Excellent explanation!
Thanks a lot Daniel!!!
Great, your videos are very good!
Thanks a lot man!!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Thank you so much for this video and your time! Can you recommend based on your experience top 3 rackets that have soft core and for advanced players? thanks a lot
Ramiel !! I would say the AT10 NOX (one of my favorites 100%), StarVie Basalto and Babolat Counter Veron 🥳
Thanks for this video. How do you decide the AT10 18K is medium hard racket? It is hard to tell from their own website. Even because they say the 12k is harder than 18k this year. If I have the AT10 18K do you have recommendation which racket for the winter?
Hi, I currently play POP/Paddle Tennis with an XTP Venice Ultimate Control 29mm. I love the racket but want to add another to my quiver. I'm a big guy, I generate a lot of power so want to keep my focus on control. I play a lot of net/defense but also have a missile of a shot from the baseline.
Do you have a recommendation for a premium paddle? I play about 3x a week for about 3 hours. I'm in the intermediate range. I can hang with most players except the pros.
Thx.
what do you think about the shockout type of grips to reduce the vibrations ?
7:53 hola! Llevo jugando padel 9 meses. Hace un mes me cambié a la metalbone 3.2. Esta raqueta es de dureza media? La juego sin los pesos y se siente muy liviana en la red. En defensa si mucho más complicada. Para q nivel recomendarías esta raqueta?
Hi Pablo, really helpfull videos, what do i have to check in the information of a rachet for understand if is hard or soft ? The Gomma Eva soft/verysoft/black eva for sure i think, but also the material like carbon or glass or both type togheter is important ? Thanks !!
Fiber glass is always softer than carbon fiber; try to look for the density of the rubber (the higher, the harder it is); and the best to do: try always the racket before! Hahahaha
Soft rackets squeeze a little bit when you put pressure on them with your fingers? Thankyou
Thanks a lot. Realy like your channel!
What I wonder is this: if a racket has a soft/medium core and a hard surface (18k), is that the best of both worlds?
What I also want to add is that if a racket has the weight at the top, you can make more speed with smashes, but you are less agile at the net.
Vamosss!! THANK YOU! It makes a huge big difference the core than the surface: with a soft core and a hard surface it still be a kind of soft racket. And yes! You lose agility in forward movements but gain some power in downwards trajectories like in a smash (lever effect) 😇
Nice one thank you 😊
Thanks to you!!!
Hi Pablo. I was wondering if, and if so, what the tipping point is, when the temperatur is considered HOT (means playing with harder rubber).
Here up north in Europe we only have 2 months max with 20+ degrees, so I was thinking maybe our main racket should have a softer rubber as we play 80% of the time in lower temperature and often with humid conditions / rainy days.
Maybe you can ask Paquito. He shared not that long ago he changes rubber according to where he plays.
For us amaturs StarVie has a great solution with their 50 and 30 (softer) rubber you can choose.
As always, thanks for your video!
That's a really good point, but it always depends on your preferences. If you loooove so much hard rackets and play in north Europe, you can have it easily because of the temperatures. But that racket, that probably was designed by a spaniard thinking about the spanish market would become too hard in winter. If a racket it's too hard, you can get injured because of that extra-effort needed to move the ball.
So my suggestion is simple: have the temperatures in mind and, as Paquito does, change your racket depending on that and your preferences. In my case, I would go 100% for a softer racket to have it a little bit more hard due to the temperatures... but never hard + hard.
Great explanation!
I have played with hard racket since the first time I played padel. I think it's too hard to play with a soft racket I probably would benefit from that in terms of arm and shoulder but for me it's impossible to control the ball with a soft racket. And a good hard racket for me is Bullpadel Vertex 03 I have tried Adidas Multibone HRD but that too hard for me. Also I think the trampoline effect make it feel weird like it feels like the ball gets sucked into the racket and almost leave the racket with a delay. A little exaggerated 😉
nice feedback!
Weird that you feel at the same time too much hardness and too much trampoline effect!
@@engharat Maybe I used the wrong words I think soft rackets are difficult to play with like the ball end up all over the place. Often times the ball gets too far to what I want. But I get sore with hard and top heavy rackets although I feel it's the only type of rackets I like and can play good with. 🙂
@@sebulbathx alright I now see what you mean! So the Adidas Multibone HRD was too much soft, with trampoline effect. I got this result with the head delta pro. I also like hard firm racket with predictable output, able to give plenty of power back only if I strike hard. And probably this is your case with the vertex! Thinking about switching to it, but someone says that it is not that powerful on strong activation shots
Sebul!!!! Thanks a lot! I tried the Metalbone but didn't find it soooo hard... if you compare it with a Head hahaha
Finalmente mi è tutto più chiaro, ma se io voglio giocare con una racchetta diamante e sono una principiante posso permettermelo se è morbida anche se con bilanciamento alto? Cosa perdo in controllo e maneggevolezza e cosa guadagno per es con una sane assassin diamond white?
Great movie. Is see some question. Perhaps it good to add arm speed. A lower level player has often less arm speed/power and footwork. Therefore the need a racket that help them more in ball output. Because a they could not have the arm speed to get the trampoline effect of the carbon or harder eva. This results in less dept and speed of the balls. They have to work for the racket. A softer racket will give them more with a slower arm speed or footwork.
You are 100% right! You can compensate the lack of "technique/power" with a softer racket, as the trampoline effect will help you!
Can you tell which racket is hard or soft just by looking at it or how can you tell?
Austin TX summer heat can be brutal on rackets.
Yep, that's for sure. I used to keep my racket in the garage but we started keeping them in the closet inside because it became a lot softer over time.
It is the same like in golf. If you have the technique and swing speed, go for the hard one, if not, maybe you should use a softer one
My personal eperience for having played for 1.5-2 years is that the harder the surface of a racket is, the more precise you need to hit the ball to get proper output. I tried a full carbon 12k racket, and I just couldn't get comfortable with it, it was simply too unforgiving. Now I prefer a mix of carbon and glass fiber, and will try full carbon once i've improved more. Is there a reason you didn't mention this in the video, or am i not right in my statement?
You are 100% right Molle! A hard racket is more demanding than a soft one in terms of technique. The less ball output, the more effort we need to do to pass the ball to the other side so that could be something bad for certain people!
Great video! Could you explain the difference between surface hardness and core hardness. Because a racket can be 18k carbon fiber on the surface, but have a EV foam core of different hardness, right?
Yes! It has way more impact on the feelings the core than the surface; if the core is hard it doesn't matter that the fibers are soft...
As a new player I want to add another factor that to me is the most important, the sweet spot!
I bought an high level racket (Starvie Dromos Galaxy), and the smaller sweetspot compared to round fiberglass rackets is giving me nightmares
Same experience here, having played for 1.5-2 years. Tried Nox WPT Tempo which is full carbon 12k, and sure the feel when hitting the sweet spot was nice, but it was too unforgiving otherwise, and even with 2 months of using it, I could immediately pick up a carbon/fiberglass mixture racket (Wilson Ultra Pro V2) and play way better immediately. I also feel like he put too much weight on the control aspect. Sure the trampoline effect and ball output impacts it, but you get a feel for it when you use a racket suited for you, and end up being able to adjust for the ball output and trampoline effect to still hit nice shots.
@@Mollelarsson yeah I agree with you 100%, I also tried the Wilson Ultra and loved it.
Sure! I'm gonna try to do a new episode talking the sweet spot because it's really important!!
@@the4Set thank you!
what then about sweetspot? ... and also is the soft foam with a hard face/front (also one vs double layer)? vs. hard foam with a soft face/front?
ohhh... and great explanation, thanks!
Hi, Thanks for a good video. I have been playing for almost 2 years now. I bought a Babolat AIR viper, and played with it for 2 months now. I like it, but do not know if that racket is Hard, medium OR soft. Do you have an insight on that?
That racket is hard! The Viper line on Babolats are the hardest of all the collection 😬😬
Hard, very hard
Can we define the "salida de bola" as the elastic force added by the racket to the shot?
It's difficult to correctly take this force into account, because it's not constant: it varies with both the power imprinted by the player and with the point of contact of the ball on the plate.
For this reason, while the elastic force added by the racket can help younger and new players to reach distant points on the court, as they don't have the technique (dexterity) and/or the power needed by long range shots, it simply becomes a complication for more trained and strong players, who want to shot with more power. In fact, these latters would have to take care of an additional variable difficult to control: the elastic force, precisely.
Anyway, one aspect in favour of "soft" racquets, is the time of permanence of the ball on the plate. Because of the elasticity of these rackets, balls lay a bit more on the plate during a shot: this helps a lot for imprinting effects.
In my city (I live in Brazil) the temperature is always 30⁰+, so must I choose a hard racket instead of a soft one to compensate this? I'm a intermediate level player, with only 3 yeats of experience.
If you wanna use a harder racket, sure! Think that you need to compensate that extra-heat due to where you live
Hello guys, I’m confused between bullpadel hack 03 and vertex 03. I’m playing on the left side and more aggressive game. Which racket I should choose? And question, or in total is good choice?
Vertex is more head-heavy than Hack, so the Hack is easier to move! In my case, I would go for Hack as I'm not the most smash-oriented player hahaa
I will add that the weight is something to take into account a hard racket specification varies from hard-soft to hard-hard when you add weight. Correct me if I’m wrong 😅
How do you mean like the balance or the total weight?
@@sebulbathx, the total weight, as I understand. The same racket with 360gr of the total weight is softer than the same racket with 380gr of the total weight.
@@pepitopalotes6849 Ah ok. Yeah at least it makes sense for a racket to be more rigid and harder if it weighs more. But also when you hit the ball you have more weight behind which I guess will make it feel harder.
But as far as weight or the feeling of weight the balance makes a big difference. I compared Adidas Metalbone and Bullpadel Vertex and I weighed them to the exact same weight but the Bullpadel felt way lighter both when just holding the racket and when I was swinging it. So I guess the Adidas racket was even more top heavy than the Bullpadel racket.
Yes!! The more weight, the more solid the racket will be (not hard)
I am not clear on why the trampoline effect will slow down fast shots... on a tennis racker for example the lower the string tension the more power the racket will have (and the less control...) , the higher the tension the more you have to give power to your shots...
Could it be that in soft padel rackets the ball sinks in the face of the racket but leaves the face before the racket has time to "bounce back"?
I believe that's exactly the case. On a padel racket both the hard surface and the core sinks with the ball, but the surface rebounds faster than the rubber can recover so some of the power is not released back into the ball. Strings never lose contact with the ball and will carry all the force back into the ball.
It's exactly that! In Padel happens the opposite than in tennis 😆
You got it 100% 😂
@@the4Set I wonder if they could actually make padel rackets more powerful by using more rubber, or putting it closer to the carbon.. or maybe putting some rubber on the outside instead of on the inside...but they do not do it because if they did the ball will be too fast for the game to be playable...
Anyhow.. you know what kind of video would rock? A series of videos making a competition by elimination, a bit like in a tournament, among rackets to find the most powerful for smash por tres... which let' s admit it.. it is what we amateur players (""paquetes") are more fond of and excited about :P
@@Tech_Publica HAHAHAHA that's a really good idea man! I'm gonna change it a little bit but do something similar 👏🏻👏🏻
I have been using the Alpha pro for about 5 months, and never had any pain in the elbow. Now I bought Tapia's At10 18k, and I was loving the racket, but after 3 games only, I started getting elbow pain that really looked like tennis elbow. So I went back to the alpha pro, and...No pain again. What do you think of this? Would the At10 12k maybe be enough for me to not have the pain? Or would I need to go for a different model altogether? Thank you!
Mmm that's weird! The Alpha is harder and stiffer than the Nox and has a higher-balance... What I think is that probably the NOX is lighter and your arm is used to move a heavier racket so your wrist would do more effort to handle it. Do you find hard to move the Nox compared to the Head?
@@the4Set Not at all, the nox moves way easier than the alpha pro. But my impression was that the nox was harder than the alpha pro, and was transferring more vibrations to my elbow, so I find it strange when people say the alpha pro is harder. I can try giving it another try if you think it could be some other factor
@@mynsky I don't think the Nox is harder than the Head (I tried both and the difference is notorious), but sure, it can be a problem of the racket itself of vibrations. My unit was well made and 0 vibrations at all, but sometimes you buy a racket and something is wrong with it and gives too much vibrations... If you shake it, does it sound?
@@the4Set nope, it doesn’t sound. It looks perfectly normal. I’m gonna give it another try next week, do you recommend anything that could help? I’ve tried both thicker and thinner grip, now I was thinking about an undergrip maybe
There are also padel rackets with a hard surface and a soft core or viseversa which will behave very different then the examples in this video. So be aware that there are combinations that gives high trampoline and low output, etc.
You are right! But at the end I was trying to explain how in general works together the fibers and the rubber 🥵🤣
@@the4Set Yes, for sure and I think you did the right thing to not go into these muddy waters because it makes the theory so much more complicated. My comment was more of a warning to others watching the video that the real world is not always as “black and white” and if you get your hands on a racket with these combinations don´t be too surprised when they don’t behave as expected.
@@andreas7457 Thank you so much for it!!!
I am about to start looking for a new racket as my current one has several chips in it etc
A friend of of mine just got Lebrons new racket, I got to try it out and really liked it! Not so much it’s cost though😅
I recently got the 2023 Nox AT10 18K and find it to be a really nice balance of power, control and comfort. You should definitely try it next time our paths cross on the court :)
@@nicky-hajal it has been too long since our paths have crossed! I have yet to get to try any Nox so I am intrigued to try one out.
Too hard for me 🤣 may the Austin hear could make it softer and more comfortable!
That is one of the most comfortable rackets I’ve tried!
How can I differentiate between them when buying?
You should pay attention to the materials to understand which of them makes a hard racket or a soft one (density of the rubber, K of the carbon fibers...)
Does that mean that the rackets in the market are different from the one that the players playing with, although it’s the same racket ?
Most pros use identical as the market ones, but there are some that get their rackets modified in one way or another.
Most of them have different weights compare to the ones we can get in a store... and yes, some of them also change the rubber and everything. Only the design is the same 🤣
So if harder is more controllable, why palas por beginners are all soft?
A soft racket gives you more ball output so you will need less effort to pass the ball to the other side + more comfort on all your shots (less vibrations + more sweet spot)
Siux electra st2 , is hard or sofr
Pablo, its a little bit confusing, I understand from your video that a hard racket have more control, but in all the reviews you can see that all the control rackets are described as soft
The less the racket influence in your shot, the more control you will have; for that reason, + hard = + control (in general)
AT10 14K or Siux ST2?
AT10 14K doesn't exists! Hahaha I would say anyways AT10
Very nice to make it in English! Gracias!
Vaaaamos!!! Marcko your are more than welcome! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I watched carefully and I still don't get it. Control and power is what matters the most and we get both with a harder racket. Why would a beginner go for soft?
The help of the ball output and the comfort that you get with a soft racket would be better for a beginner player! A hard racket requires more technique and physical condition 😬