Villisca Ax Murder House Q+A
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- Los hermanos fantasmas dive into your questions and discuss key evidence from last week’s episode. Along with checking out some of your awesome fan art!
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Shane's made a full recovery from the holy water I see. Glad he took the time off to heal up.
True, our demon boi is back xD
LOL
I was about to say I couldn't believe Ryan did that to him, but no I can
😂
Did look a tad shaky there in the beginning
I feel like when the series ends it will be a missed opportunity if they don’t end on a scripted shot of the Ghoul Bois walking away onto greener pastures and then Shane turns back and laughs with demon eyes like Michael Jackson in the thriller video
I’m for this. And I’d love to know why this made me think of the one-year-long channel Unus Annus and how their videos were creative like that in a story-telling way towards the ending
That would be AMAZING 😂
@@Vampireninja102
*_UNUS_*
She she
@@Vampireninja102 momento mori my friend
The holy water DID affect Shane. Either his moustache fell off or his moustache had to be sacrificed.
And whatever the case, aren’t we all a bit grateful that it’s gone? 😂
his mustache probably got singed by the holy water
@@noemiszvot5098 yes. the 'stache was starting to worry everybody.
LOL
Honestly I love the mustache.
For the sceptic, no proof is possible. For the believer, no proof is necessary.
For everything else there's MasterCard.
hotel? trivago
Sure....🤔
The laugh
I was a skeptic too, but then someone pulled my ankle in a lake, and, kept pulling it for almost 40 seconds. Yes, I tried to scream for help, but, my voice dissapeared totally. There were no bubbles in the water, and, that thing remained there after he let me go.
I believe it was a ghost because, that sort of lake is often used by cops to dispose of corpses. Also, I'm 100% sure that what hold my ankle that day was a hand, a hand whose owner didn't need to breathe.
@@noradrenalina11 Where was this lake? I'd like to know more about it. Also your story is so creepy and unsettling but thank you for sharing!
The wildest part of them all sleeping through the slaughtering isn’t that the house is so small, it’s that many of them not only shared a room but A BED. How do you not wake up when the person next to you is being murdered with an axe???
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I think it was the brother that got called staying the night so didn't break in and familys guard was down when walking around house
Drugged maybe?
The murderer had to have stayed the night with them and drugged them.
Yea that's what I thought something in the food hence why he ate later. Weird theory I just came up with.
Definitely a family member or close friend for covering heads with sheets like I'm some sick was to show respect maybe way off with this lol but heyho
Astounded at how young Shane looks without his mustache
Lol he's not that old
But it's true, facial hair really ages people.
@@AxxLAfriku Hunh?
@@taeblends nah it disguises people my dad had a really big bushy beard and when he shaves it i literally dont recognize him lol
@@AxxLAfriku Ah man.... I feel your pain....
@Miles Doyle Ok.
shane genuinely not wanting to argue with ryan is the cutest thing I've seen this week
Your comment is at 666 likes so I can't ruin that, but I agree!
He’s afraid Ryan will kill him too!
It hurt my heart to see them semi argue lol
I know right! real friendship. He was worried there may have been some real animosity forming and didn't want to turn the joke into pain.
Timestamp?
I’ve always wanted a show where people get sent to a house and have to work out whether they think it has a reputation as a haunted house or not. I think a lot of “paranormal” stuff is just people being freaked out by the atmosphere because they know it’s supposed to be haunted or spooky. So if you don’t know if it’s haunted or not it would be interesting to see the dynamic.
And they could call it "Haunt or Not?"--I guess my problem with this is that a paranormal team could always claim that they discovered a new haunting. No house can be proven to be un-haunted because we have no idea what 'haunted' means.
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That'd be a really cool series! It'd be cool if they did something like that with Watcher. I've often wondered what kind of responses they'd get on the spirit box if they plopped down in a nice park. I'd expect it to be the same thing. At any rate, running some sort of control test at 'non-haunted' locations would be interesting.
I'd like to see Ryan specifically be sent to two houses, one being supposedly haunted and the other not. Ryan has no idea which is which, and is not told anything about the history of the houses.
Then at the end see if he reports anything.
Then we can at least rule out him filling in the blanks with what he already believes.
The travel channel, discovery channel and living TV in the UK all developed something around that concept and it never made it to air.
Basically - there are reasons haunted houses are haunted. They're not ghosts but you know infrasound or EMF or whatever. Whenever this concept has been tried it's fooled mediums (unsurprisingly) but according to people involved most of the footage is people going "I don't really feel anything" or "for a haunted house this is very cosy". The living TV attempt was apparently very disastrous and very boring - they had a medium who went into a full blown theatrical possession - and then about three hours of boring footage of ghost hunters and members of the public going "I don't feel much"
Maybe the locations they chose were too bright or modern or something. But it's a concept that's never managed to work, even when cable networks were greenlighting everything.
Shane is a demon is mostly canon, but plot twist: Ryan is already possessed. That's why Shane is always so calm, like *flashlight goes off*, "Boy, that's nothing. I've seen Ryan levitate for a whole hour before breakfast. This is obviously fake!"
Ryan isn’t possessed by a demon he has the alter ego Ricky Goldsworth
like Shutter Island but it's Ryan not knowing he's possessed
LMAO
Iconic. Headcanon accepted 😂
Shane shaking Ryan's hand too hard has the same energy as Shane screaming "You're my friend!"
I don’t think we’ll ever get a thrilling conclusion to The Hotdaga
I know. It keeps me up at night.
That is what truly saddens me
And we can all be thankful for that 👍
or roast mortem
an idea im not willing to come to terms with
This environment was indeed, as you say, "dense" with mystery. In fact, between the unsolved crime AND the purported hauntings, this could easily have been a two-part episode, with a true-crime chapter and a supernatural chapter.
That would have been great, I really wish we were getting another season of true crime
“Casper shanked me”.
It’s moments like that why I love this show and am going to miss it when it’s gone.
I'm stealing that an making it into a cartoon called Casper shank
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Ikr ima be sad
glad to see the holy water didn't have any long-term effects on Shane
I was about to like this when i saw it has 666 likes, so here's a like in the form of words so that i won't screw up the count
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@Miles Doyle you another spammer?
Their discussion about how this dude could have possibly gotten away with killing 8 people in one creaky old house got me thinking: this dude was a more successful axe-murderer in one night than the Axeman was in his whole career 😭
There's a theory this guy and the Axeman are the same guy, "The Man from the Train". If true, this guy was a scary prolific serial killer for over 40 years.
@@lahuk1194 woah! That’s super cool actually :0
@@hawkes1859 Its something alright. I listened to a podcast talking about it, if true, the guy killed from like the 1880's until the 1920's. Obviously we can't say definitively if its right or not, but commonalities between a series of killings suggest the possibility of a single killer. It would be a German immigrant who came to America, killed all over then returned to Germany and committed the Hinterkaifeck killings.
To be fair tho, most of the victims were kids
I was kinda hoping they'd mention that theory here in the postmortem, actually.
"I would trust him holding my newborn child."
IM CRYING SCREAMING THROWING UP, OMG THEY'RE SO SWEET PLS PROTECT THEM AT ALL COSTS
4:26 Do not underestimate crazy Shane. My ex stepfather stabbed himself for the attention, claimed it was an accident but the ER was certain it was self inflicted, almost hit the femoral artery. He lied about a brain tumor too among various other things. You can't apply logic to crazy.
Ryan naked in his home office/gym is living the real true crime experience.
Aw. Shane was clearly thinking about the 'noise' exchange and couldn't let it pass without making up. He just wants to have fun with his friend. Feels
"Boy, did we dress for the occasion."
"We sure did."
Yeah... I'm gonna expect something on the same level as the cat ears.
I’m glad other people noticed that Ryan’s voice over is less creepy this season
And ion like it 😤
@@Kinobambino same man I miss the season 1 episode 1 voice over idk it just didn’t seem so professional and seemed like there was more passion put behind it
@@Kinobambino I don't* Use actual words. Can people please stop killing the English language?
@@englishatheart ion is commonly a word used in AAVE, a dialect in the English language. It's a word.
@@hiiro-xentral3171 and not only in aave, it was created because in some dialects "I don't" sounds like ion. It's common on the internet.
Ah yes. Wouldn't be an intro without Shane staring at who knows what. I'm gonna miss this but there's still old episodes!
I must have missed something...is this coming to an end soon? I've only started watching this channel
@@shazibrahim7208 check out their new channel called Watcher. They are finished with buzzfeed after this season
but at least the channel will still be here - memento mori
Shane: It's called Matrixing. Our human brains are designed to see faces in the moon and hear voices in the wind. Our brain hears a pattern that is similar enough to something it recognizes and it just interprets it as something familiar like a sentence or a face.
I feel like people forget the whole Yanny/Laurel debacle. Our brains are trained to find meaning in things and we’re inclined to string bits together to try and hear a piece of audio. It doesn’t help, in the audience’s case, that the clips come with subtitles - that makes people more likely to “hear” it.
Also: audio interference is a thing!
yep, i wasnt looking at the screen and didnt even hear a voice, just audio artifacts. the subtitles are extremely disappointing
^^^ this. i was thinking of this throughout their argument
Honestly as someone who is not a native english speaker i can disprove it since the beginning. Sometimes my brain is in the English mode and I do "hear" some words, but mostly its just noise. But sometime my brain is not in englisch mode and I hear a super random German word.
Sometimes I think I should just take all the soundbites and ask my nephews (non of them speak English fluently) what the sounds say.
Will someone explain to me what that spirit box thing is? Is it a radio that picks up real human voices from baby monitors?
@@karenhenderson3868 uhhh. yes kind of. i think it goes through the radio really fast and picks up voices that can not be heard
The house probably had more structural integrity 100 years ago so not as shaky
U guys should make a tier list of all the places y’all went to XD
Definitely unnecessary, but considering buzzfeed likes to jump on trends later then everyone they probably will
now that shane was in this ep, i was anticipating him to just say the words, "ouuur weekly q+a concluded. i now welcome you to the part of the show we call the hotdaga - a hotdog saga commissioned by ryan steven bergara, written by me, and adored by every. single. viewer. and if you dont like it, you can kiss my apple taters. THE HOTDAGA'S BACK BABEY!"
Not knowing the ending of the hotdaga keeps me up at night
I wish.
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Rip
I absolutely ADORE their relationship. It is such a solid friendship you can tell.
For this final season I wish Ryan would “fake out” Shane to get us a fun reaction!
if something seemingly unexplainable happened he would more than likely assume it's fake
@@p.n__ right lol he would emediately think that
Something obviously supernatural and he just acts completely nonchalant
Shane is like, almost completely unflappable so that would take some major work. When Ryan took him through a haunted house on Watcher, he didn’t flinch once.
There’s a scene they touch on in a behind the scenes look during the 70th episode special sit down where it shows Shane getting genuinely freaked out and running away during an investigation and it KILLS me that they never included it in the OG episode
“We’re the ghoul brothers. We shake hands.” Im here for it.
Edit: don’t know if Shane said ghoul brothers instead of ghoul boys before, but I think he’s catching feels that we have about final season. 💕
@@6nomemory6 cool, which episode if you remember
@@xmachiavellirizex3540 I think it was at mission Solano, but I could be wrong.
About the noise that moving around the house made, it's important to note the the house was much younger back when the murders occurred.
Shane's explanation about the "What is it" is perfectly sound. Ryan makes the claim, Ryan needs to provide the proof.
There's hundreds of things which could have made that noise (Shoes shuffling, rustling clothers, one of the cast members, etc...) which are proven to exist.
“We dressed for the occasion”
Next week in BUN - the ghoul boys are dressed in full catsuits
They are going to Salem and dressing as pilgrims. Calling it now lol.
I say another old west town dressed as cowboys.
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@@beckybeckerson2338 I think they are going to Sleepy Hollow to search for the Headless Horseman.
On the final episode everyone wants that shane himself admit he's a demon and then vanish.
Lol I love how Shane made sure everyone was reassured that there’s no beef between him and Ryan over the ‘heated’ EVP argument. He may be the skeptic and the one who doesn’t get scared but really he’s a soft boi™
Shane saying “Hermanos fantasmas” is everything i needed and more
Ryan’s impression of Shane, it was spot on
for real, his "white dude" voice was *chefs kiss*
Lol I really love how they do get a little riled up and slip because you know its genuinely them being passionate but seeing the friendly reassurance warms my heart
Ryan and Shane are LITERALLY buzz feed it’s crazy I compared the views of the videos they aren’t in and wow. They’re just so entertaining and create an atmosphere of fun, energetic, welcoming energy. Love you guys!!!
I'm completely happy with Shane's explanation. It's noise. People will see faces in clouds or trees. Wind and some static can sound like a voice.
Shane giving superb lesbian aunt vibes. Brings a tear to my eye.
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If a ghost stood in front of Shane and said "im a ghost" Shane would say "prove it".
Any person can say "I'm a ghost", while only ghosts can do ghost things, like disappear
If I stood in front of you and said "I'm a ghost" would you take that as factual proof that ghosts exist?
If I saw a ghost I would think I’m hallucinating. You’ve got to prove that it’s not anything natural before you can make a claim that it’s supernatural
legitimate request. if I told someone "I am God" i hope they wont just belive me
@@anamoose461 yeah like that's called schizophrenia not a real ghost
As a Shaniac I am very satisfied with his reasoning that it "is just noise" because I completely agree and it is correct
Shane did actually nail the EVP explanation. It's an audio version of pareidolia, a defence mechanism to keep us alert to potential nasty things that may want to attack or eat us. It would be easier to analyse if the supposed "what is it" wasn't isolated from other background noise and what comes before and after it so much. As it is, it's the same as showing a closeup of an eye staring at you when if you pull back you can see its just a knot in a piece of wood.
I want them to make a list of all the locations from normal to paranormal and like ...well obviously what was the most haunted/ atleast felt most off
THIS!! Such a great idea
They have one kinda like this!! It’s like their 70th episode special or something! It’s sO good!
some one else in the comments said it would be cool to have them tier rank it!! i would love to see that
How about they go to a “non haunted” house and see if they get the same kind of audio recordings to tell if it’s actually ghosts? Well people would probably just start saying every house has spirits
I love this idea, hope they'll do it someday
I actually am very happy with that explanation, Ryan, because the recording actually sounds like "whoolublooo" and you're playing auditory Rorschach Test
Ryan, the human brain is very good at finding patterns in randomness. Like finding faces in cars or hearing lyrics in backwards songs. And priming someone to hear something can go a long way. So it's probably a draft or wood shifting in the house or something
The same way we humans see faces everywhere, we are also conditioned to hear noise as words. There are a couple of studies about it, including one where it was found that bi-lingual or multi-lingual people are worse at it 😂
@@ikaro555 I usually look away when they're doing the EVP stuff to see if I can hear what the claim to hear. Its pretty rare that I make out the same words, usually I just hear unintelligible noise, or just nonsense. It's either pareidolia or a fragment of someone on a ham radio.
Thank you. It is known as auditory pareidolia. Electronic voice phenomena (EVP) does have a scientific explanation. Our brain's job is to make patterns. Sometimes, it makes patterns from random stimuli (i.e., stimuli where no pattern exists). For example, people will often hear voices in white noise (a sound combining all frequencies humans can hear at the same general loudness). Moreover, people often hear the voice speaking a language they have some exposure to or are primed for. I have been thinking about making this comment every single time they discuss EVPs, but I figured someone had, and I simply didn't see it.
By worse at it do you mean bilingual people don't hear it or hear it more?
There’s also lots of psychological studies that show that being told what a sound is before hearing it or while hearing it effects what people hear. They were able to get people to recognize animal calls and sentences out of completely random meaningless noise.
@@savhannah9889 I think by worse it means multilingual people recognize the noises more as spoken word than those who are not multilingual since they know more languages.
Ryan is happy seeing Shane after his holiday :) . I'm living the vibe
@@truthview7261 please sponsore on another comment I really don't care
@@iamjunghoesok522 hi j-hope stan 😁💜
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I'm def happy with Shane's "it's just noise" explanation. Because it's just noise. 😂
I missed Shane interrupting the outro with his "We'll see you at the movies". Glad that he recovered from the holy water and is back.
Honestly, I think the spirit box just picks up random pieces of radio signals or even phone calls. There are a lot of human voices floating around through signals so it's not unlikely that the spirit box picks one of those up from time to time.
My thoughts exactly. Also, it sounded much more like a wheeze than a voice, so anything could have made that sound. But it IS quite interesting that the sound was heard at that exact moment.
EVPs exemplify what is both entertaining AND frustrating to me about discussions of the paranormal. To use an analogy: If I were to flip a coin and it came up heads, we would not then state that this coin has TWO heads and can ONLY land on heads. We would continue to experiment and determine quite easily that it has two sides and that it is fairly random as to which side will land face up.
EVPs are something that must be able to be repeatable and to a certain degree predictable based upon a very specific set of circumstances as to eliminate both the metaphorical and literal noise from any results we were to record. Random noises that we already know humans are HIGHLY likely to interpret into something "familiar" due to audio pareidolia is not evidence of the existence of ghosts.
Without a unified/consistent "Ghost Theory"/Theory of Ghosts... what you are saying is one of the biggest problems us Shaniacs have with the Boogaras - Every ghost introduces some new and unpredictable type of lore or interaction we are now forced to deal with as “credible” despite no evidence backing up every new claim.
If Ryan really wants to "prove" the existence of ghosts then he needs to develop such a theory that makes predictions about when/where/how paranormal events happen that we can TEST and then ONLY IF we obtain enough evidence CONFIRMING these predictions can we even begin to believe in the possibility of "ghosts". Right now, disproving every single individual and separate incident of random noises and visual phenomena is pointless because disproving them or being unable to in no way gets us closer to an answer about "ghosts".
Ryan… getting cocky in this particular instance is why some Shaniacs grow tired of having this same discussion OVER and OVER and OVER again about EVPs, “Spirit Boxes”, EMF meters, and all the other pseudoscience you make empirical statements about. As a Shaniac I am completely satisfied with Shane’s response to this tired “proof”. His statement is all that is needed given the number of times he has already explained this very situation.
TLDR: Ryan and the Boogaras are the ones who have the burden of proof as they are making the claim. Shaniacs are not on the hook to disprove a negative/unknown.
Still so much love for Ryan even in disagreement.
Man I am going to miss this show and you guys when this is all over.
#Shaniac
Shane thinking that standing in the closet doesn't make sense, yet not questioning the cat bit in the conjuring house????
"I'd trust this man with my new born child..."
" He'd chuck it like a football." hahaha the best
i’m very curious about this, ryan always has holy water and believes in the lords power to repel evil spirits. so, is he religious generally, or only in spiritual/scary situations?
@@truthview7261 get outta here, bot.
I think at some point he said he wasn't very religious, but I'm not 100% sure if I remembered it right
I think in these situations he believes in it, but I don't think he's super religious in general, I think it's the thought of something bigger than himself protecting him
I don't think he's ever clarified.
Yes
the boys back together in the postmortem office = serotonin
Shane’s “we’ll see you at the movies” bit just brings me so much joy every time 😂
That drawing with Shane having a devil shadow makes so much sense now! He's like the dad from invader zim who doesn't believe in aliens because he is one!
The burden of proof doesn't lie on Shane - emperical science is about proving what something is through data, not through "If you can't give a counter-explanation then it must be X."
Yep, I'm really entertained by how his lack of an explanation is somehow supposed to be a problem here? Shane doesn't have to know where that sound came from in order to say that it definitely wasn't a ghost. Definitely not surprised that ghost hunters aren't capable of figuring out how empirical evidence actually works though lmao
Tbh, how would you even prove a ghost is possible? I mean the methods like evp and emf are pretty out there already cuz you can't be certain it is working, but it is strange that they do get seeming responses or certain interactions don't you think?
This isn't a court room, there is no beyond reasonable doubt, there is solid evidence and there is blind people who refuse to believe because they are scared
YES EXACTLY. believing in the afterlife is a way to cope with not knowing and it's a pretty smart thing to not assume to know something simply because you want an answer!
@@a.a677 not believing in ghosts is not being scared it's just accepting we don't know what comes after death
Re: your question about how someone viciously murders several people- they usually dope them with something that puts them to sleep or immobilizes them
PLEASE Ryan’s impression of Shane was SPOT ON😭
judge: shane madej, how do you explain this audio of you confessing to murder?
shane: its noise.
The "what is it" has the proper cadence which makes it sound like words, but I wouldn't understand it as anything if the subtitles didn't accompany the audio. But as I was not there I can offer no alternative for the sound's origin.
I mean normally I agree but I wasnt actually watching the video just listening to it whilst doing work and I was able to make out it was saying "what is it"
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"Why did nobody wake up during murking?" you ask. Firstly, the house was new, so it didn't screak that much. And secondly, there is a night train that goes through the town. It is believed that the killer used the masking sound of the locomotive to sneak through the house.
I feel like you would still wake up when the person next to you is being killed though, like there was at least two people in each room
@@danielshore1457 I truly don’t think the sound of them being bludgeoned was that loud. They were killed when they were deep asleep and all it would take is one good whack to the head to kill them. I think if the murderer planned it good enough he could get perfect hits in so as to not cause too much stirring? Obviously we will never actually know but that would be my guess
@@purplepancakes620 yeah but like some people were sharing a bed and like what about the person who shared the room with the person who woke up like I feel like you would have woken up
@@danielshore1457 I think if you're in deep sleep and you hear some weird sound in the next room, you wouldn't wake up immediately and assume danger. Especially knowing that there's a loud train running every night.
@@MrDarkWade yeah but I'm like referring to like the sound when it's right next to you, but hey maybe they did wake up cause like ngl I imagine it would be very quick to take them both out with one axe swing, so maybe this whole pint is redundant because like if you are just waking up you are not gonna be able to react quickly enough
They should get Horsely back on for the last Q+A
Shane is just citing the scientific method. He isn’t required to disprove anything, the person making the assertion has to prove it. If this isn’t the standard then anyone can make up anything and say “just believe me”. Evidence is a thing.
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Honestly I think it should go both ways. This is why Mythbusters was so interesting because they not only tried to recreate an effect to see if it was possible under the claimed circumstances, if the original circumstances didn't get them the result they wanted, they would also attempt to manipulate the variables until they got that result to see what it took to make it happen.
I think it should not only be good practice to provide evidence that shows something is caused by what someone claims (as in Ryan's position), but for the alternative, someone who claims otherwise should be able to replicate that phenomenon according to their own explanation (as in Shane's alternative explanation). For something to be true, it has to be shown to be true with evidence. Imho just saying "oh it's just noise, we want to hear patterns" also doesn't hold here because.... sound is noise? And actual voices ARE also noise? We're trained to find patterns in sound and visual images because sometimes certain patterns are actually relevant to us and we need to be able to recognize them when they are really there. How are you supposed to tell if a sound is a human (or at least human language) voice or not if 1) you did not make that sound yourself/you cannot identify the source and 2) you cannot verify if it was a pattern with meaning intended to communicate something specific, because you can only interpret the sound itself? And even when an actual living human is the confirmed source for speech, that doesn't mean we will all be able to interpret their speech with 100% objective accuracy - and yet that's what hearing-capable people rely on ALL THE TIME to have an accurate understanding of the world around them.
They need to do experiments with actual recorded voices and artificially constructed audio clips that are designed to maybe RESEMBLE voices without actually being voices, and mix them together (with varying degrees of ambiguity) for people to categorize and interpret. There was actually an experiment where people were given certain sound clips - they were constructed a certain way so that it wasn't immediately intelligible as speech, but a certain number of them actually had meaning in it - and people who claimed that they often hallucinated or "heard voices" were able to pick up the clips that had speech faster and understand it faster and with more accuracy than the control group (who did not claim to hear voices), and they were both given training mid-study - after being told there was human speech in some of the clips - that would allow them to interpret these audio clips, but the experimental group, before receiving training, were significantly more likely to interpret & claim the audio that had speech actually had speech without being told, and after training both groups saw a rise in their ability to detect this and accurately interpret it - but the group who said they would occasionally hear voices or auditory hallucinations had that edge over the control group.
And you could interpret that to be because they are more often "tuned in" to stimuli that "non-hallucinating" people are more likely to quickly dismiss as being irrelevant or meaningless, and these "hallucinating" people more often are forced to exercise their capacity to interpret stimuli that are more ambiguous because they are more often unsure of what they are hearing or if what they are hearing is a "real" sound or "real" meaningful human speech to begin with. I would like to see this kind of experiment replicated, but instead with people who claim to believe in ghosts (or at least people who don't exclude it from the realm of possibility) and heavy skeptics/people who do not think there's any possibility of that kind of phenomenon being real. But sorting them into respective open-minded/skeptical groups would probably have to be done with a post-test survey so they're not predisposed into thinking they're SUPPOSED to be hearing voices or not and affecting the results with that. I'd like to know what the different accuracy rates are between the two and how often the skeptics fail to detect speech when it's there, and how often the believers falsely detect speech when it isn't there, and vice versa.
@@Invalidationcoded do you realize that even if you got some skeptics to say "yeah I do hear a voice there", that still wouldn't be enough to prove that that's a ghost voice lol
if you want to actually do some proper scientific experiments to prove that ghost are real, sound clips aren't at all the tool you need to use anyway
Ryan is impossible to argue with because his entire thing is "if you can't explain this then it means ghost" .. that's not how things work in science..
@@ThelouwseFD yeah that wouldn't be the purpose of the research. it would be more to establish an objective idea of what we hear in recorded lab-created audio with varying degrees of ambiguity and whether skepticism or not influences people's perceptions of what they hear. And clearly it wouldn't be a "ghost voice" lol I just said the audio would be created FOR the research so.... not "ghosts". Plus there's no way to really prove in a lab setting that audio collected from a supposed "ghost" in another location is actually "a ghost" because you'd need to be able to actually identify the original source of the sound (or at least prove that the source is not a living person/the source cannot be located or tied to a living person), since supposed ghost recordings are really just... people. Who are allegedly no longer living. And in the case of spirit boxes, theoretically the "ghost" is utilizing what is essentially someone else's words or transmissions to "communicate" so discerning that is even more difficult. I just want to see how skeptics/believers differ in their perceptions of lab-made audio recordings in a lab setting.
And Ryan isn't necessarily arguing that the sound IS a ghost. He's arguing what he subjectively HEARD, and Shane is denying that it was even objectively understandable as speech in the way Ryan heard it as it's just "noise" (except all human speech is noise. We could consider anything that comes out of Shane's mouth to be "noise"). And Ryan has a point in that if you can't explain something, that's a blind spot in scientific understanding. Which means at the very least it deserves more thorough investigation so that it CAN be explained scientifically.
Yes, that’s true. However, it was also fair of Ryan to ask Shane to provide a supposed CAUSE for the noise he didn’t think was a voice. He wouldn’t do that and that’s what Ryan was hung up on, imo, not that he thought Shane needed to disprove that it was a voice.
"It's a voice. What could it be other then a ghost?" I think shane's point is:
A small three legged creature that tricks people into thinking there is ghosts.
A sentient chair that speaks some times.
Ambient noise.
Someone on the crew
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There's infinite things it could be, you need to prove it's a ghost and that they're capable of interacting and that they are able to vocalize before you get to say "That's evidence of Ghosts"
I say its a shapeshifting goblin that lives in the walls of old houses. That'd works right?
How dare you use logic...demon
I totally agree you must have some definite evidence of ghost before you conclude that it is or isn’t something
@@ThatsPrettyFunnyMan I say its a singular shapeshifting goblin that follows them around to each filming of Buzzfeed Unsolved Supernatural, so they are hearing the same goblin each time there is supposed EVP. The goblin's name is Eric Valencia Porter.
I wish he would have worded it in this way. 10/10 comment
The wholesomeness warms my cold, Halloweeny heart.
I love Ryan's self confidence calling out Shane for not giving an explanation of 'what is it'!
It’s okay, Sheniacs. Ryan never has a chance to feel good about his ghost “evidences”, so let’s just let him have this one😌
Shane totally in his own world at the beginning again lol.
The cupboard knock from the Voodoo video was the one EVP Shane just couldn't explain.
Which video?
@@Maddie-qu3kp voodoo world of New Orleans
@@johnwilson4558 but a knock isn't EV(voice)P
@@LindaC616 technically no because it's not a voice but it is an unexplainable noise potentially caused by a ghost
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Theory on how they didn't wake up the people: the killer was known to the family, showed up for a visit when they were home, slips a sedative into their food. I don't know, maybe Toxicology wasn't advanced enough to detect those sorts of things, or maybe at the time it wasn’t sth they looked at.
I did think the same thing for a moment, but if he had access to their food, why not just poison it and kill them that way?
@@cstef5592 because poison is a lot less personal then axing someone to the death
@@cstef5592 It had to be bloody because it was personal! remember the mysterious bacon? haha
@@cstef5592 besides what other people have said, obtaining sleeping medicine is a lot easier and a lot less suspicious and traceable than obtaining poisons in large enough quantities to kill 8 people
As a Shaniac, "it's noise" is a perfectly reasonable explanation for me
The autumn decorations are so cute
I know, who moved? New library
I can see when there’s already a lot of people living in a house. They could just dismiss it as someone else in the house moving around. 🤷🏻♀️
What about the sounds of people being slaughtered? I’m sure that’s not a regular occurrence. I would wake up and see what the heck is happening
Plus a lot of them were children, and once you get kids to sleep they tend to sleep like rocks. It is how the Santa Clause and tooth fairies of the world succeed.
Have you lived with kids? They make some weird noises. With only one person having defensive wounds, I doubt they had time to make noise. And how loud is an ax when hitting a human?
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I mean I wasn’t gonna say anything, but now that it’s out there, damn Shane was rocking those “sexy denim jeans”
I don't want this series to end! It's so good! Love how you play off each other. And having a skeptic, in this type of show is just joyous 😆
The noise explanation is satisfying because neither of them has enough data to know what it is but only Shane realizes that while Ryan acts like a man from the middle ages who just found a narwhal horn and imagines an explanation lol
But …. But voices are noise
Agreed. And if you can't explain any science behind an EVP, then you can't reasonably ask someone else to scientifically disprove it. The burden of proof is on the person making the original extreme claim (that EVP is ghosts and not background noise + pareidolia).
this feels kind of biased. ryan wanted a shane-esque explanation not "It's noise." when he said it was his sexy jeans, ryan said "there we go."
besides, neither of them can find that common ground to explain what it was, like you said--- that doesn't mean shane is any smarter than ryan. we all have our beliefs and there is evidence to support both sides, it's just deciding what to believe without getting nasty about it.
@@saturnitiez i mean, there isn't evidence to support both sides. If there was any evidence at all there wouldn't be sides, we'd just accept ghosts were real and move on.
Those RF receivers that are used by ghost hunters literally just pick up random chatter on the airwaves. Those muffled voices you sometimes hear are the devices probably picking up some guy messing around on a HAM radio.
The idea is that it is switching channels so fast that if you hear a complete sentence or even word, especially if it has the same “voice,” it must be a voice - sincerely a Shaniac playing devil’s advocate
@@lukecraver7966 yeah but often enough you dont broadcast on only one frequency. so it could indeed switch to some from the same source by random chance.
@@lukecraver7966 True, but as seen from the Yanny/Laurel incident of 2019, what you hear can be deceiving, and if a ghost hunter goes in wanting to hear something, they probably will. Even if what was said isn’t necessarily what the radio broadcast was delivering.
I mean, there's been times when my laptop - mixed with crappy earbuds - has somehow picked up police scanner chatter, so it's no surprise that a device whose purpose is to *literally* scan through radio signals would, every now and then, pick up seconds-long snatches of conversation, regardless of the speed at which the device supposedly cycles through stations.
@@fusel5883 indeed, this is what I think is occurring
Shane without his facial hair transports me right back to 2017 Unsolved.
i feel that these q&a’s are just going to get more and more wholesome every week
That EVP: "what is it?" I think is the clearest one they've ever gotten
To speak for Shane, he's saying that just because he cannot 100% explain a noise doesn't make it a ghost.
There’s no other reasonable explanation
@@mysteryjunkie9808 there are plenty, really. Infinite explanations.
@@galarstar052 then offer some
@@a.a677 camera crew whispering to each other, or rustling clothing, or wind being swept behind them as they move, or etc.
The thing with this audio is that it sounds like "what is it?" because it shows up in text on the screen when it happens. Our brains have confirmation bias built it with sounds and other senses. Much like when someone smells popcorn (for example) and all of a sudden you also smell popcorn. You didn't smell it before, but now that someone has made it known to you, you can't unsmell it.
@@a.a677 rats scratching on wood, the wind. Literally no explanation is needed since it's on ghost believers to provide actual evidence, rather than an ambiguous sound that when accompanied by subtitles seems like words.
honestly, seeing you two argue, is one of the main things, that makes this show so good. the dynamic between believer, and skeptic is just quality entertainment. But thanks for reminding people, its all just good fun :D
It kinda makes me feel like, to not hear the noise/footsteps/brutal murdering in the house, the members of the house were drugged or something before they were murdered. This also lends to the theory that the murderer was chilling in the house for a while, or at least long enough to memorize the house, mess with food, and figure out a way to move both quickly and efficiently.
I still haven’t come to terms with the mystery bacon.
You should listen to the Morbid podcast about this case that just came out this week. They go into more detail and what it could have meant based on how Lena’s body was found…very disturbing. 😭
@@stagedancesing thanks .. got weirded out for a sec because I spent most of the episode thinking about bacon and my name is Lena 😳
@@stagedancesing oh god dammit. I preferred it when it was mystery bacon 😢
Right off the bat, I'm lowkey scared of how Ryan looks at the camera at the beginning--
Love the show guys, will miss this once it's over. Also, sorry Ryan, as much I lean more toward spirits (or something) existing, that didn't sound like a voice to me. But I love both your passion. Great job.
Shaniac reporting for dudy! Very happy with the explanation of "It's noise", thank you have a good day :)
buzzfeed unsolved? you mean the highlight of my week?
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I'm glad Shane's shaken off the last of the Holy Water
These guys really make this channel more fun for me... I really enjoy their company in video form. Especially talking gouls. I remember always loving their friendship that even is strong in haunted places
I'm going to miss this series so much. I always looked forward to it every year. I love how they just get along so well. They are both so amazing at what they do. I'm glad they are the faces of the show :)
He is a Boo Boi in Spooky Season... its almost required lol
Ryan: *believes in ghosts*
Shane: *doesn't believe in ghosts*
✨𝗕𝗘𝗦𝗧𝗙𝗥𝗜𝗘𝗡𝗗𝗦✨
Please I don't want this series to end. It's the best thing that BuzzFeed has ever done!
i despise buzzfeeds content. but this right here., these guys right fooking here, are literally their only saving grace.